UFA Options: Dallas Stars

Jonathan Willis
June 02 2009 11:52PM

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UFA Options is a continuing series that gives a brief run-down of the unrestricted free agent market this summer, team-by-team. Our next team for consideration is the Dallas Stars.

Joe Nieuwendyk has a reputation as smart man, but as a rookie general manager he’s about to enter one of the busiest times of the season. The draft is coming up at the end of this month, and on July 1st eight regulars - including key members of the team – are about to hit unrestricted free agency.

On the other hand, with nearly 19-million dollars coming off the books, he’ll certainly have some flexibility to craft his team in the days ahead.

Jere Lehtinen

The three-time Selke trophy winner has long had a reputation for being one of the top defensive players in the NHL, and he did nothing to tarnish that this season, outscoring tough competition. Unfortunately, for the second year in a row, injuries held the Finn to 48 games and durability is starting to become a serious concern.

Lehtinen came over to North America for the 1995-96 season; he’s played 818 games since then – 1 with the Michigan K-Wings and 817 with Dallas. He’s more of a goal scorer than a play maker and if healthy generally scores between 25 and 30 goals in a season. If he hits the market, there are a lot of teams who could use a veteran like him.

Brendan Morrison

The 31 points that Morrison recorded this season is the lowest mark over a full year of his entire NHL career. Coming off a serious injury the year before, Morrison disappointed in Anaheim (something that seems to happen to Brian Burke’s ex-Canucks, whenever he finds a spot for them). He picked up the pace in Dallas, recording 9 points in 19 games.

The smallish forward has been durable over the years; before missing 43 games in 2007-08 he had played six straight seasons without mising a game. He’s creative with the puck and a wizard on the powerplay (at least in previous years), but at this point it’s fair to ask if he can bounce back to the 50-point plateau offensively. For a team in need of a cheap second-line centre, Morrison may not be a bad bet.

Steve Begin

The smallish Begin is a high-energy player, and I suppose he has to be; he hasn’t eclipsed the thirty-point mark at any level since junior. Plays with reckless abandon and is generally a good penalty-killer, too. He’s forged an unlikely NHL career and at this point is a welcome addition to any team’s fourth-line.

Joel Lundqvist

The less famous Lundqvist is average-sized, and while he’s contributed offensively in Sweden and the AHL, so far his impact at the NHL level has been minimal, and at 27 years of age it’s entirely possible that it will stay that way.

One thing Lundqvist does bring to the table is a high-energy game; he perpetually rang up the penalty minutes during his career in Sweden, and while his penalty totals have not been excessive in North America he likes to initiate contact. A good fourth-line option at this point.

Landon Wilson

Landon Wilson’s had an up-and-down career. He was a first round pick of Tortono out of the USHL in 1993, and spent two seasons in an excellent program at the University of North Dakota. During that time he was traded to Quebec and made his NHL debut in 1995-96 with Colorado. He also played for Boston, Phoenix and Pittsburgh before trying his luck in Europe during the NHL lockout. He had one season in Finland and three very nice seasons in Switzerland before coming back to North America this past season. He spent most of this past year in Dallas, only playing 15 games in the AHL, but missed a bunch of time with a rib injury.

He’s been called an “underachiever” and labelled as someone who doesn’t make good use of his physical talents but he played a gritty game this past season and adds size to the fourth line (6’3”, 226lbs). He’s got a decent offensive skillset, and while he doesn’t have much of a track record on the penalty kill he would be a great depth addition for a team needing a cheap fourth liner who can get the job done. I’m a big fan of contending teams adding depth players like Wilson; while breaking in prospects is great a veteran presence comes in handy when injuries strike – particularly a veteran presence who can actually play the game.

Mark Parrish

Minnesota bought out Parrish, and when they did Dallas took a chance on him, signing him to a bargain contract. Even so, it probably wasn’t a worthwhile investment. Parrish has never been a fluid skater, and while Mike Milbury once considered him (and Oleg Kvasha) to be worth Roberto Luongo and Olli Jokinen, Parrish has always been a somewhat one-dimensional offensive player. With his offense dried up, he doesn’t bring much to the table.

Sergei Zubov

Sergei Zubov has long been one of the most underrated defensemen in the league. Unfortunately, he’s now 38 years old, and he’s played a grand total of 56 games over the last two years; between hip and foot injuries he has missed a ton of time. If healthy, he’s a difference-maker on the ice, but it’s difficult to see him with any team other than Dallas.

Darryl Sydor

Darryl Sydor has nicely rebounded since a disappointing season with Pittsburgh in 2007-08. He’s not overly physical and at his age (37 last month) injury and physical wear and tear are concerns (although in fairness he’s been relatively healthy over the past few years). He can still make a good first pass, but no longer provides the offensive output that he did when he was younger.

In conclusion, Sydor’s a decent veteran option to round out a defense corps and a useful player, so long as he’s played within his limitations.

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Jonathan Willis is Managing Editor of the Nation Network. He also currently writes for the Edmonton Journal's Cult of Hockey, Grantland, and Hockey Prospectus. His work has appeared at theScore, ESPN and Puck Daddy. He was previously founder and managing editor of Copper & Blue. Contact him at jonathan (dot) willis (at) live (dot) ca.
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#1 Austin Ayala
June 03 2009, 01:30AM
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After today's signings and this little tidbit, I'd like to point out something...

Mike Ribero > David Krejci > Ales Hemsky

I have to wonder, why do you guys love Hemmer so much?!? Krejci has similar stats but is more consistent and is a +37. To me, Hemsky will always be Maxim Afinogenov's clone.... not a chance he pulls off a Datsyuk/Zetterberg transformation. I say trade something for Hemsky now... like Jordan Stall, and sign Jere Lehtinen and Mark Parrish.

Good riddance. After his little rant at the end of the season, I've lost all respect for that whiner.

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#2 Jeremy
June 03 2009, 06:00AM
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@ Austin Ayala:

Yeah, trade Hemmer and sign Parrish.

BWAAAAHAAAAHAAAAHAAAA!!!!!

Hahahahahahahaa!!!

*whew* oh, my sides.

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#3 humantorch
June 03 2009, 07:20AM
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Austin Ayala wrote:

After today’s signings and this little tidbit, I’d like to point out something… Mike Ribero > David Krejci > Ales Hemsky I have to wonder, why do you guys love Hemmer so much?!? Krejci has similar stats but is more consistent and is a +37. To me, Hemsky will always be Maxim Afinogenov’s clone…. not a chance he pulls off a Datsyuk/Zetterberg transformation. I say trade something for Hemsky now… like Jordan Stall, and sign Jere Lehtinen and Mark Parrish. Good riddance. After his little rant at the end of the season, I’ve lost all respect for that whiner.

Do you realize how big of an accomplishment it is to be able to say that you're the dumbest person on the internet?

Godspeed, good sir.

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#4 Bob Cob
June 03 2009, 07:22AM
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"pick of Tortono" Where's Tortono? Is that near Torino? I didn't realize Bettman was looking into Italy for possible expansion. Maybe thats where the Coyotes are relocating to.

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#5 Austin Ayala
June 03 2009, 07:24AM
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Listen,

Trade Hemsky + 10th overall for Ilya Kovalchuk. Sign Parrish & Lehtinen and trade Penner for Gomez. Sign Jagr as planned Youre' telling me...

Kovalchuk Gomez Jagr Parrish Gagner Cogliano Moreau Pouliot Lehtinen Brule Brodziak Pisani

won't be a playoff team? It's time for a paradigm shift. No more passers, and time for shooters.

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#6 tunkfunk
June 03 2009, 07:33AM
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Austin Ayala wrote:

Listen, Trade Hemsky + 10th overall for Ilya Kovalchuk. Sign Parrish & Lehtinen and trade Penner for Gomez. Sign Jagr as planned Youre’ telling me… Kovalchuk Gomez Jagr Parrish Gagner Cogliano Moreau Pouliot Lehtinen Brule Brodziak Pisani won’t be a playoff team? It’s time for a paradigm shift. No more passers, and time for shooters.

where did Horcoff go?

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#7 Heazues
June 03 2009, 07:35AM
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well there isnt too much from dallas i would like seeing in oiler silks. maybe steve begin IF tambi decides to clear a little cap room from pisani or moreau. maybe a 4th line also, but would he come cheaper than JFJ or stortini?

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#8 Librarian Mike
June 03 2009, 07:45AM
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He's too old and we don't need him, but you are right on the money about Zubov, Jonathan. I can't count the number of times during all those Edmonton-Dallas series' than my sphincter clenched up when Zubov had the puck on a powerplay.

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#9 OvenChicken8
June 03 2009, 07:47AM
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@ tunkfunk: To the Falcons

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#10 Hemmertime
June 03 2009, 07:51AM
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Austin Ayala wrote:

Trade Hemsky + 10th overall for Ilya Kovalchuk. Sign Parrish & Lehtinen and trade Penner for Gomez. Sign Jagr as planned Youre’ telling me…

Hemmer for Ilya 2.8 mil more. Gomez for Penner 3 million more. Signing Jagr (lets say even cheap at 4 Mil) makes it 10 million dollars more expensive. That puts us at 56 mil with Brosziak Grebeshkov Smid, a Goalie, Brule to sign. Oh and Parrish and Lehtinen according to you.

Smrt

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#11 Hemmertime
June 03 2009, 07:52AM
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Nevermind Penner for Gomez?!? Why not just do Penner for Malkin and be done with it? Since hes Supastar!

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#12 scorcoff hemmercules
June 03 2009, 08:06AM
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Austin Ayala wrote:

Listen, Trade Hemsky + 10th overall for Ilya Kovalchuk. Sign Parrish & Lehtinen and trade Penner for Gomez. Sign Jagr as planned Youre’ telling me… Kovalchuk Gomez Jagr Parrish Gagner Cogliano Moreau Pouliot Lehtinen Brule Brodziak Pisani won’t be a playoff team? It’s time for a paradigm shift. No more passers, and time for shooters.

Pure comedy, you are joking right??? Maybe when the cap goes up to 65 million and Horc gracefully decides to burn his contract. Even then thats a huge stretch for the oil to accomplish.

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#13 Archaeologuy
June 03 2009, 08:32AM
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Austin Ayala wrote:

Krejci has similar stats but is more consistent and is a +37.

Uh, Krejci has played 1 full season and had a lower points per game than Hemsky. I would say that's actually the OPPOSITE of "more consistent". That +/- is quite impressive though.

Austin Ayala wrote:

I say trade something for Hemsky now… like Jordan Stall, and sign Jere Lehtinen and Mark Parrish. Good riddance. After his little rant at the end of the season, I’ve lost all respect for that whiner.

What rant? His small comment that was made after he was asked a direct question? That "Rant"?

So you want to trade the best forward on the team for a Centre who has never topped 50 points before? Then you want to force 2 UFAs to sign in Edmonton? If that doesnt work just trade him for Kovalchuk, no biggie right? Excellent plan. Tomorrow I will quit my job and then win the lottery, i wont have to work again.

Austin Ayala wrote:

It’s time for a paradigm shift. No more passers, and time for shooters.

I'm actually surprised you knew how to use the word paradigm in a sentence. Do you know what happened when the Flames switched to a top line that was entirely made up of shooters? No one scored. Turns out that only 1 person can shoot a puck at a time. The other 2 guys on the line became useless.

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#14 Cam
June 03 2009, 08:34AM
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Austin Ayala wrote:

After today’s signings and this little tidbit, I’d like to point out something… Mike Ribero > David Krejci > Ales Hemsky I have to wonder, why do you guys love Hemmer so much?!? Krejci has similar stats but is more consistent and is a +37. To me, Hemsky will always be Maxim Afinogenov’s clone…. not a chance he pulls off a Datsyuk/Zetterberg transformation. I say trade something for Hemsky now… like Jordan Stall, and sign Jere Lehtinen and Mark Parrish. Good riddance. After his little rant at the end of the season, I’ve lost all respect for that whiner.

I have seen a lot of criticism, but not a whole lot of arguments so I will give you some. People love Hemsky because he is exciting to watch. He has mad skills and he is still very young. Did you read the thread where one of our Bloggers (I think it was JW) compared his stats with stats of superstars when they were at his age. Hemsky was at the top of the chart. We have only begun to see what he can do, and he has maintained a PPG pace despite having mediocre linemates.

People say we should unload him and get someone who can shoot the puck, but Hemsky led our team in goals last year (23) and some of them were the prettiest goals I have seen since the Dynasty years. He has the ability to break through a neutral zone trap and score key goals (like he did with Columbus this year), and that wins your team hockey games.

I would be shocked if Hemmer doesn't accomplish a 100+ point season before his career is over, and I want him to be in Oiler silks when he does it.

He is the most exciting player to wear copper and blue since Messier left, and you do NOT trade that away.

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#15 Jonathan Willis
June 03 2009, 08:38AM
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@ Austin Ayala:

Mark Parrish hasn't topped 41 points since 2002-03. Why would any team want him on the second line? Particularly since if he isn't scoring he isn't particularly useful?

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#16 Heazues
June 03 2009, 08:41AM
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Cam wrote:

He is the most exciting player to wear copper and blue since Messier left, and you do NOT trade that away.

well you do if a southern team offers you $10M to pay off your creditors :P

sry, having a gretzky flashback this morning.

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#17 Librarian Mike
June 03 2009, 08:44AM
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@ Hemmertime:

Indeed, and I'll bet we can get Ovechkin for Reddox and Schremp too.

@ Austin Ayala:

Isn't Gomez a passer?

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#18 Archaeologuy
June 03 2009, 08:48AM
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@ Librarian Mike: ~If we give up Schremp in that deal we better get their 1st round pick in return as well~

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#19 Austin Ayala
June 03 2009, 08:57AM
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@ Hemmertime: notice how absent Horcoff is smart one. He was traded away for a 3rd round pick. Take 6 million off the books

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#20 Ogden Brother
June 03 2009, 08:58AM
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Austin Ayala wrote:

Listen, Trade Hemsky + 10th overall for Ilya Kovalchuk. Sign Parrish & Lehtinen and trade Penner for Gomez. Sign Jagr as planned Youre’ telling me… Kovalchuk Gomez Jagr Parrish Gagner Cogliano Moreau Pouliot Lehtinen Brule Brodziak Pisani won’t be a playoff team? It’s time for a paradigm shift. No more passers, and time for shooters.

Oh course, why didn't managment think of that!

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#21 Austin Ayala
June 03 2009, 09:01AM
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@ Cam:

Dude, Max Afinogenov has scored prettier goals than Ales Hemsky... doesn't mean I would rather have him on our team than let's say... Andrew Ladd or Kris Versteeg.

Pretty goals does not make a player. Results do. Reality is that Krejci is getting similar stats as Hemsky, but Boston is comfortable calling Krejci a 2nd liner, but Oiler fans keep hyping Hemsky as a superstar. He's not... he just isn't. And he never will be.

What does Hemsky have that Kerejci doesn't?

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#22 Archaeologuy
June 03 2009, 09:02AM
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@ Austin Ayala: You do realize how ridiculous you're making yourself look, right?

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#23 Ogden Brother
June 03 2009, 09:03AM
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Austin Ayala wrote:

@ Cam: Dude, Max Afinogenov has scored prettier goals than Ales Hemsky… doesn’t mean I would rather have him on our team than let’s say… Andrew Ladd or Kris Versteeg. Pretty goals does not make a player. Results do. Reality is that Krejci is getting similar stats as Hemsky, but Boston is comfortable calling Krejci a 2nd liner, but Oiler fans keep hyping Hemsky as a superstar. He’s not… he just isn’t. And he never will be. What does Hemsky have that Kerejci doesn’t?

Reality check for you: Krejci has done it all of one time. I'd say he's a leading candidate to have a Thomas Plekanec season next year.

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#24 Archaeologuy
June 03 2009, 09:05AM
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Austin Ayala wrote:

What does Hemsky have that Kerejci doesn’t?

besides 4 consecutive years of continued success compared to 1?

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#25 RossCreek
June 03 2009, 09:06AM
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While I wouldn't be completely opposed to dealing Hemsky, and I'm not an Oiler fan, I would just like to say AUSTIN 3:16 JUST MADE ME SHITE MY DRAWERS. On another note, the axe has finally fallen in Colorado. Tony Granato and 4 or 5 others including Michel Goulet have been fired. Think Crawford returns? MacT?

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#26 Archaeologuy
June 03 2009, 09:12AM
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Archaeologuy wrote:

Austin Ayala wrote: What does Hemsky have that Kerejci doesn’t? besides 4 consecutive years of continued success compared to 1?

oh yeah, and 6 other 20+ goal scorers to feed the puck to on his team, compared to 2 others on the Oilers (1 was a Defenseman and the other was acquired at the trade deadline)!

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#27 Chris
June 03 2009, 09:16AM
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Money and injuries aside; it would be nice to see Jere Lehtinen skate with Gagner on the second line. IMO Lehtinen's high level of defencive awarness, vetran savey, and ability to score would be a nice complement to Gagner's emerging game. Hemsky+ Lehtinen+ Pisani+ Stortini= Nice balance and depth down the right side. I seriously doubt Nieuwendyk, of all people, will let Lehtinen go... But If Lehtinen does go to free agency; Tambellini should at least consider maybe trying to lure him to Edmonton with a three year contract.

*Before screaming about injuries; remember I said CONSIDER*

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#28 Austin Ayala
June 03 2009, 09:23AM
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I think the point I'm trying to make is that Hemsky shouldn't be untouchable. He's certainly not a superstar.

I'd say it's questionable whether or he's a 1st liner at all. How is Krejci a 2nd liner, but Hemsky is a bonafide superstar? How is Prospal a 2nd liner, but Hemsky is THAT much better? On a contender, he would be best served as a second line winger and first unit powerplay. Not really your go-to guy for everything.

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#29 Chris
June 03 2009, 09:32AM
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@ Austin Ayala:

I am not one of Hemsky's biggest fans. The guy has some incredible skills but lacks anything close to a complete game. He doesn't hit, he doesn't backcheck, he doesn't ever get his stick up or stand up for himself... That said, Hemsky is still young, has all the tools to be a star, and I would take him anyday over Ribero. Period. I don't know enough about Krejci to argue his merits; I see him as a good young player who still plays sheltered second line minutes. Tough to evaluate; and impossible to compare to Hemsky at this time.

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#30 Ogden Brother
June 03 2009, 09:33AM
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Austin Ayala wrote:

I think the point I’m trying to make is that Hemsky shouldn’t be untouchable. He’s certainly not a superstar. I’d say it’s questionable whether or he’s a 1st liner at all. How is Krejci a 2nd liner, but Hemsky is a bonafide superstar? How is Prospal a 2nd liner, but Hemsky is THAT much better? On a contender, he would be best served as a second line winger and first unit powerplay. Not really your go-to guy for everything.

He's certainly not a superstar (in my books anyways)

But with after finishing:

7th 8th 17th 11th

In PPG amoungst RW over the last 4 years, I think it's safe to say he's a first line talent.

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#31 sittingatmydesk
June 03 2009, 09:38AM
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@ humantorch: I agree ,that guy has been talking out of his a$$, these past days...

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#32 Archaeologuy
June 03 2009, 09:38AM
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Krejci is a 2nd liner because they have Marc Savard playing the same position on that team, and he is one of the best point producers in the league.

Vaclav Prospal is a 2nd liner because he put up 45 points over 82 games. And Hemsky really is THAT much better than him right now.

Just because Hemsky would be the 2nd line RW in Calgary (after Iggy of course) it doesnt mean the Oilers should trade him for a second liner! I'm sure the Oilers would love it if Hemsky was their 4th best forward, unfortunately that isnt the case. He isnt untouchable. If the Oilers can get a better player for a better price in exchange for Hemsky I'm sure they would do it.

You cant say something like, "well player X wouldnt be on the 1st line of the Penguins, so he's no good." There arent too many players in the league that can make the top line of one of the top teams in the league. It doesnt mean that the other 800 players in the league are no good. Be realistic.

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#33 sittingatmydesk
June 03 2009, 09:39AM
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@ Austin Ayala: what about horcoff?

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#34 scorcoff hemmercules
June 03 2009, 09:46AM
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Austin Ayala wrote:

I think the point I’m trying to make is that Hemsky shouldn’t be untouchable. He’s certainly not a superstar. I’d say it’s questionable whether or he’s a 1st liner at all. How is Krejci a 2nd liner, but Hemsky is a bonafide superstar? How is Prospal a 2nd liner, but Hemsky is THAT much better? On a contender, he would be best served as a second line winger and first unit powerplay. Not really your go-to guy for everything.

Who said he was a "bonafied superstar", I missed that.

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#35 Cam
June 03 2009, 09:54AM
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Heazues wrote:

Cam wrote: He is the most exciting player to wear copper and blue since Messier left, and you do NOT trade that away. well you do if a southern team offers you $10M to pay off your creditors sry, having a gretzky flashback this morning.

Ugh... not a nice flashback. I still wear black on August 9th. I will always hate Peter Puck for doing that.

I was gonna pipe up some more about Hemsky but it seems some other posters have taken up the call. I agree that he shouldn't be untouchable, but it would have to be an amazingly sweet deal for it to be smart. I am a big Hemmer fan, though.

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#36 Austin Ayala
June 03 2009, 09:58AM
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sittingatmydesk wrote:

@ Austin Ayala: what about horcoff?

traded for picks. we don't need him. he's useless and it's not like teams would jump at the chance to land the great shawn horcoff. give him to LA or something.

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#37 Librarian Mike
June 03 2009, 09:59AM
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@ Austin Ayala:

I concede that nobody is untouchable on this team, and that as fans we tend to overvalue our talent. That being said, there are two important facts that need to be considered when talking about Hemsky's production:

1. The Oilers are not very good right now. -The last time the Oilers had a good team, he was a point-per-game player. Hell, even with a mediocre team he's almost there.

2. If we get a second liner for him, who's our first liner? Most top end players don't want to come here because our weather sucks and our team has little chance of winning a cup. I love Edmonton, but facts is facts.

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#38 Chris
June 03 2009, 10:04AM
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@ Jonathan Willis:

Any thoughts on Lehtinen? At 35 with back to back injury riddled seasons is he still worth the risk?(Considering it would probably take a three year 10-12 million dollar contract to even begin to get him here) I think he would be a nice complement to Gagner and would provide valuable secondary scoring. At worst Lehtinen is still a nice upgrade on Pisani.

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#39 Archaeologuy
June 03 2009, 10:05AM
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@ Austin Ayala: As much as i dislike Horcoff, the team cant just erase him from the lineup without adding something.

AND, who is ready to take on a 5.5 million dollar Cap hit for a guy who has only scored more than 55 points just once? Who can take 5.5 without dumping salary in return? That contract is almost untradable.

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#40 Mikey
June 03 2009, 10:06AM
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Austin Ayala wrote:

traded for picks. we don’t need him. he’s useless and it’s not like teams would jump at the chance to land the great shawn horcoff. give him to LA or something.

~yeah he is awful isn't he~

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#41 Chris
June 03 2009, 10:09AM
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Austin Ayala wrote:

traded for picks. we don’t need him. he’s useless and it’s not like teams would jump at the chance to land the great shawn horcoff. give him to LA or something.

Horcoff is currently the absolute BEST center on this team. It wouldn't be hard to argue that Horcoff is one of the top twenty centers on earth. You don't "give" players like that away. It is true that thanks to Horcoff's big contract he has little trade value under the current CBA... but that doesn't make him a terrible hockey player.

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#42 Archaeologuy
June 03 2009, 10:15AM
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Chris wrote:

It wouldn’t be hard to argue that Horcoff is one of the top twenty centers on earth.

Whoa whoa whoa. Lets not get carried away. He probably cracks the top 40. Top 20 is pushing it. Heck. Top 30 would be pushing it.

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#43 Austin Ayala
June 03 2009, 10:21AM
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Chris wrote:

Horcoff is currently the absolute BEST center on this team. It wouldn’t be hard to argue that Horcoff is one of the top twenty centers on earth.

WOW. People on this site were calling me the dumbest person on the internet. Check out this guy.

Yes.. the centerman who's score 50 points once in his career making nearly 6 million is one of the best centres on EARTH. yeah ok.... if he was as good as you say he is, the Oilers would not be constantly looking for a bonafide #1 & #2 centerman.

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#44 Chris
June 03 2009, 10:22AM
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#45 Chris
June 03 2009, 10:23AM
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@ Austin Ayala: You must be new to this. It is fun to have BIG opinions and STIR things up... But if you take the time to run the numbers, look at who plays where and in what lineup, etc, etc... I'm sure your opinions/evaluations will tend to moderate and people will take your ideas more seriously. When proposing lineup changes: look beyond the goals totals. Look at player contracts, linemates, quality of icetime, etc.

As per your evaluation of Horcoff. It is true that Horcoff lacks offensive flair and tends to fight the puck... But that alone doesn't make him "useless". Oh, and L.A. is a franchise on the rise, run by a smart GM named Lombardi who has stuck to a careful rebuild plan despite outside tremendous outside pressure... He's not going to sign just any player thrown his way like a starving dog eating dinner scraps.

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#46 Ogden Brother
June 03 2009, 10:24AM
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Archaeologuy wrote:

Chris wrote: It wouldn’t be hard to argue that Horcoff is one of the top twenty centers on earth. Whoa whoa whoa. Lets not get carried away. He probably cracks the top 40. Top 20 is pushing it. Heck. Top 30 would be pushing it.

So lets say he's top 30, hell even 30th. Yet for some reason it's a travesty that come Sep 1 he'll be the 20th - 23rd highest cap hit center?

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#47 Archaeologuy
June 03 2009, 10:25AM
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Horc was (for centres only this season): 36th in Points 56th in goals 34th in +/- 17th in FO% 29th in PP goals 27th in PP points 50th in Even Strength Points (O'Sullivan had more)

Top 40, yup. Top 20, only in his dreams

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#48 Ogden Brother
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Austin Ayala wrote:

Chris wrote: Horcoff is currently the absolute BEST center on this team. It wouldn’t be hard to argue that Horcoff is one of the top twenty centers on earth. WOW. People on this site were calling me the dumbest person on the internet. Check out this guy. Yes.. the centerman who’s score 50 points once in his career making nearly 6 million is one of the best centres on EARTH. yeah ok…. if he was as good as you say he is, the Oilers would not be constantly looking for a bonafide #1 & #2 centerman.

People confuse $ value with player ability way to often. Sure his contract reduces his trade value, but it doesn't change the fact that he's a quality NHL'er.

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#49 Chris
June 03 2009, 10:29AM
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@ Archaeologuy:

Make a list. Name your top twenty centers in the NHL. Take a look at the guys hovering around 17, 18, 19, etc. It wouldn't be hard to argue that Horcoff compares nicely with this group. I'm not the biggest Horcoff fan. He can be really frusterating to watch; and he is coming off a bad year. But seriously; Sit down and make the list and compare. There are thirty first line centers in this leage... and it could be ARGUED (that's what i said) that Horcoff fits in nicely between 20-25 somewhere. Where is up for debate. To call him "useless" is being STUPID.

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#50 Chris
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@ Archaeologuy: Oh, the stupid comment was at Austin. Not you.

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