LIVE BLOG... from the Draft floor

Jason Gregor
June 26 2009 10:51AM

draftfloor411:00 am MST

It pays to get up early some days.

Because I got my accreditation late I wanted to make sure everything was still good, so I hoofed it to the Bell Centre. I wasn't on the list, which I expected, but once I showed my card I got my mug shot. I now work for the TEAM 1250, not 1260. It's a better keepsake that way.

There are seven rows with 14 seats in the media riser, and with so many media present, I fully expected to be in the overflow seating in section 12;, until I ran into Julie in the NHL PR. We chatted and I found myself in row seven on the media riser. I have a perfect view of the draft floor and it will be much easier to write on a table rather than using my knees as a make shift table. Julie is all class, and she gets another Nation shout out. I'd send the picture, but I'm an idiot and forget the cord to transfer pics from camera to computer. I'll have them when I get home.

It's the calm before the storm right now. It's noon and slowly the media is trickling in. I ran into some people as I was walking here and here's what I got.

  • Heatley talk is at a stand still right now. The Sens want a lot, and most teams aren't willing to pony up. Heatley's agent, JP Barry and his CAA branch are taking a beating in the papers right now. Pundits are claiming it was irresponsible of them to leak the story, because it makes it harder to deal him. CAA is adamant they didn't leak the story, and feel it was probably Sens GM Bryan Murray, and then he could make Heatley look like the bad guy. This situation might get even uglier. I think the CAA camp has a legitimate beef. If the Sens don't make a deal before July 1st and pay Heatley the $4 million he is owed then many expect Murray to play hard ball and force Heatley to come to camp.
  • Many wondered if Kevin Lowe could have gotten more for the Human Rake if he had played hardball. I'd like to see how it plays out for Murray if he chooses that route. If a deal is going to happen, it sounds like Heatley will have to be open to more teams. I still can't get exactly what Minny was offering, but it didn't include Burns or Koivu. It sounds like Murray's demands are too high right now.
  • The Souray trade talk is heating up again. It sounds like the Oilers are willing to move him. Speculation is Souray and the Oilers 10th for LA’s 5th pick, and something else. The Oilers really like Evander Kane. They have a history of making moves, so I won’t rule it out. It makes sense on many fronts. Kings get veteran D-man and stay in top ten. Souray gets closer to family. Oilers get high prospect and free up some cap space. The key is what the “something else” is.
  • The Leafs are trying to get another first round pick. They’ve been interviewing lots of mid to late first round picks this morning including, Camrose Kodiak, Dylan Olsen. I literally bumped into him walking here and asked him how his morning was. He’d just finished an interview with the Rangers, and earlier this morning had talks with the Islanders and Leafs, and was in a rush to get to an interview with the Blackhawks. It’s a pretty stressful day for these young kids. You don’t realize it until you see them. It will be a huge relief whenever his name is called.
  • Currently the Sharks are the only team without a first rounder. The Islanders have the 26th pick, but look for Doug Wilson to get involved. Word is he wants to get in the first round, and Ryane Clowe is one of the pieces in place.

12:30 p.m. MST

Took a quick lunch break at the Cage Au Sports, the sports bar right in the Bell Centre, and what a meal. That's just another reason why sports fans in Edmonton deserve a new rink. I took a quick outside tour and they have  four "action" statues of Maurice Richard, Jean Beliveau, Howie Morenz and Guy Lafleur. They are great, and then there is a line up of plaques down the side wall with other Montreal legends. (Pics will be up when I return...idiot that I am).

Some more rumblings...

The Kings supposedly offered Frolov and the 5th for Heatley. The Sens said no thanks.

And this seems to be the start of the Souray rumours. Let's play a little scenario.

Steve Tambellini finds out that the Kings are willing to move their 5th, so he makes a call. Keep in mind that even though the Human Rake to LA deal didn't happen, that doesn't mean the Kings weren't trying to acquire him and might still be interested in a top two D-man.

This is where the Oilers and Souray come in. Souray's value is at an all-time high right now. It might stay there for a few years, or it could be like the housing market in Edmonton; Piqued and is now on a downslide.

My gut still says it is a long shot, and I still don't buy that the Kings will move the #5 pick, because that goes against everything that Lombardi has done in building a pretty good stable of young talent., but remember the Kings surprised everyone in 2007 when they took Hickey at #4.

It seems pretty obvious that the Kings and Lightning are the teams in the top five that will listen to offers about their pick. The Bolts will considering moving the #2 if Hedman goes to the Islanders, if he doesn't then BOOK it that he will go to Tampa. Colorado and Atlanta have given the impression they are pretty secure at 3 and 4 respectively.

But the best story is that no one seems to know what the Islanders are going to do.

Many think they like Duchene, but won't take him at #1, but rather trade down a spot or two to get him and another pick. The uncertainty of the Islanders could set the ball in motion as far as teams trying to move up in the draft.

And the Vinny talk is still dominating the floor. What if Montreal can acquire him? This place would go nuts.

If Tampa doesn't get Hedman and take Tavares, would that make them more likely to move Vinny? It's almost mind blowing thinking of all the possibilities.

And can anyone tell me how I can disengage the update that goes to my cell phone telling me JOE SMITH is now following you on twitter. I love that people are following me there, but my phone has been ringing all day with these updates. I need to figure out how to stop it...ha

1:30 p.m MST

Right now...Front and centre in the middle of draft floor Brian Burke is on the horn.

He looks relaxed, his gum is getting one hell of a work out, tie undone, pacing back and forth in an area where no one can hear what he is saying. I wish I had one of those big cones that allows you to hear things from 50 feet away..

**Makes check list for next year...cord thingy for computer and camera...Cone thingy to hear things...Get a tech book to know what the hell Firefox and Chrome is...****

2:45 p.m MST

Regarding the Oilers/Thrasher rumour, (Oilers 4th, Cogliano and Gilbert for Lehtonen, Armstrong and #4) I just got a text that says that package is not correct, but they have had talks.

Discussions are happening, because the Oilers feel they need to get #4 to get Kane.

Kane is drawing comparisons to being 90% of what Jarome Iginla is as a player. If that is indeed the case then he'd be a great pick up.

I know this for sure...The Oilers are trying hard to move up. If they don't it won't be the end of the world for them, but they feel this is a great opportunity for them, and it would be the first time ever that the Oilers have moved up in the top ten in any draft.

Fans have already started to show up. The second deck is almost full. A "go Leafs go "chant was quickly booed and replaced by "Lets' go Habs."  We are still more than two hours away from the official start but the fans here are just as anxious as NATION readers to get this going.

3:00 p.m MST

Teams are starting to file in. Scott Howson and the Blue Jackets are here...most of the Devils staff, sand big Lou...I just went down the stairs to say congrats to the hall of famer. Good guy.  He's pretty humble about his Hall of Fame nomination.

*** Now they are pumpin out some Black Eyed Peas...Gotta get that...or Boom Boom Pow...not sure what title is, but some heifers are dancing in the second deck...I didn't need to see that.***

Still no sighting of anyone from the Oilers, or Thrashers or Kings or Islanders.

But the rumble on the floor is that the Islanders are leaning towards Duchene. That would be quite the start to the draft.

Now the Coyotes, Kings, Bruins,  Ducks, and a few members of the Senators are on the floor.

Cam Neely and Brian Burke and a long and laugh-filled convo.

Howson and Ducks GM Bob Murray and Chiarelli from Boston are talking. The Bruins currently have #25, while the Ducks have 15 and Jackets 16. The Bruins have talked about wanting to move up, so maybe something will happen between them.

3:23 p.m. MST

The man of the hour has arrived. Garth Snow is in the HOUSEEEEE...okay so there was no theme music but right now he has everyone guessing what he will do. Most teams are here, except Chicago, Pittsburgh, NYR, Nashville,St. Louis, Calgary and Atlanta the the Oilers. It makes you wonder if the Thrashers and Oilers are still trying to hammer something out.

I just spoke with Rishaug and Dreger from TSN and they confirm that the Thrashers have indeed made it clear they are now open to offers. The Oilers are interested in that pick, but so are the Kings, Leafs and Dallas Stars. It might be a bidding war.

The Senators have lowered their trade demands for Heatley. They were supposed to be looking for a top-six forward, top-four D-man and a pick/prospect, but have relented a bit. Heatley's value seems to be diminishing as the day goes on.

The Canadiens management team has arrived to a huge roar from the crowd.

4:00 p.m. MST

The Oilers arrived about five minutes ago and right away Tambellini and Lowe were swarmed by TSN guys. Lots of laughing but didn't look like they got much out of them.

Had a great conversation with Daryl Evans, colourman on Kings broadcasts and former NHLer. He is certain the Kings will draft a forward, with all their depth on the backend. He fully expects the Kings to make a move via trade or free agency for sure.

Lots of friendly convo going on between media and various team management types, but it seems like the calm before the storm right now. Let's get it on.

4:36 p.m. MST

As of right now the Oilers have nothing definite, but it is still an hour away from the 4th and 5th picks, and even longer until their own pick.

Remember how late their deals came about at the deadline with O'Sullivan and Kotalik.

Craig Button said on my radio show earlier this week that many teams overvalue their pick on draft day, and that's why many deals fall through at the last moment, because the ransom is just too much.

It sounds like that might be the case with the Thrashers. Their demands for the Oilers might be too rich right now.  Tambellini won't over pay, because the Oilers still feel they can get a quality player at #10. If they don't move up,  I'd expect Glennie or MPS to be called by the Oilers.

Bruins just got introduced and got booed heavily. Gotta love rivalries.

5:06 p.m. MST

Former Habs owner George Gillette address the crowd. Lots of energy in the building. Each team had to announce who would call the name of their draft pick, and it will be Steve Tambellini for the Oilers.

Everyone is waiting patiently for this to start. There has been a bit of a delay, and now they are showing highlights of some of the top prospects. Tavares was shown first...is that foreshadowing, we shall see soon.

This big screen is crystal clear. It is awesome.

Now there are previewing Hedman. I hope they don't do the top ten or the draft won't start until 5:30

5:11 p.m MST

Dreger reports that Pronger has been dealt to Philly. It sounds like Lupul, but more details to come. The Flyers continue to surprise, and now maybe Lupul and Pronger have been involved in a deal for the second time.

5:17 p.m MST

Finally the first pick. Garth Snow makes everyone wait a bit more with some thanks to Montreal and their fans and then he goes with what I expected John Tavares. The fans at Nassau are busting it out with some confetti. A strong contingent of Islander fans here are cheering loudly.

Expect Hedman #2 and then Duchene #4...The intrigue will come if the Thrashers hold their pick or deal it.

5:53 p.m MST

WE had to wait 25 minutes to talk to Tavares. Well spoken young man, and he is very focused on bringing back success to Long Island.  I knew the Islanders would take him, it was too big of a risk to pass up on a guy with his goal scoring ability. Hedman might be just as good, but the Islanders needed a scorer.

THey are playing highlights of players blocking shots on the big screen. Classic.  And every time they show a picture of Vinny the place goes nuts. If the Habs somehow trade for him, I bet there will be a five minute ovation.

Larsson is soft, but it isn't surprising that the Coyotes took him. They have made some horrible first round picks and he might be another.

The "67" chant rains down from the rafters. That is awesome. That is a great chant. If the Oilers ever win the Cup again, you can bet that the next year Oiler fans will chant Eighty...NINE when the Flames come to town.

Burke can't even speak. This is one of the few times he has to pause before he speaks, so he'll probably say something good. Kadri is a solid pick. His tenacity is his best asset say the scouts.

6:31 p.m MST

I will be stunned if the Oilers don't choose LW Magnus Paajarvi Svensson. If they do I wonder if they will stitch both names on the back of the jersey. His numbers don't show it 7-10-17 in 50 games in the SEL, but they like his speed and offensive prowess.

I'll be curious if he stays in Sweden of they bring him over to play Major Junior.

He can skate, and some compare him to Markus Naslund. We'll go see what MacGregor and company have to say about him.

7:15 p.m. MST

MacGregor on Svensson.."He's a big power forward who takes it to the net and is a great skater. He's already played in two world junior tournament and will have another opportunity to play in Saskatoon this year. His game is an up tempo game and that's what we are hoping he can play in the NHL"

I also asked MacGregor about the plan looking ahead to round two and beyond.

"For our second pick we are going to go with a projection pick, a player that has a real big upside. Before I came to talk to you we were looking at what the scenarios would be and if we could make an attempt to try and get back in the first round"

7:30 p.m. MST

The Hab fans go nuts when the Canadiens are put on the clock. It was deafening in here. They start to sing their patented O le  O le O le Ohhh lee song. They are hoping for a trade annoncement with Tampa Bay, but it won't happen. The Bolts aren't moving Vinny at this moment.

7:36 p.m MST

Hab fans give Louis Leblanc a standing ovation after his name is called at #18.

The Oilers are working the phones and might have another pick before the day is out.

They liked  D-man John Moore and he is still available, also Carter Ashton is still out there...

7:51 p.m. MST

The Flames trade down three picks and add a 3rd rounder from New Jersey. Could the Devils "Parise" them like they did the Oilers back in 2003. The Devils moved five spots to take Parise, while the Oilers got the 22nd and 68th picks which turned out to be Pouliot and Jacques.

The Devils just took Jacob Josefson, the 4th Swede taken in the first round already.

8:26 p.m. MST

The energy in the building is similar to the feeling on the Nation...subdued. It was a good ride, but now they want it to end. You have to be respectful of the young kids waiting for their name to be called.

Awkward moment of the day comes for the Johansson family. Marcus Johansson went 24th to the Capitals and his family was very excited, his mom gave him the longest kiss or any mom on the day. It was good comedic relief for the crowd and got a mixed reaction.

Just going to interview Tambellini will be back with his thoughts in a bit.

8:52 p.m MST

I asked Tambellini how close he was to moving up into the top five.

"We knew that at pick ten it would take something incredible for us to move. If I had a pick in the top four, I don't think I would have moved to far down, maybe five or six, but to move to ten it would have taken a lot for that team to accept our deal."

Does the Pronger trade reveal how much it will cost to get a superstar? Is the asking price that high?

"Depends on who the player is I guess. Pronger is a dominant player and he will change what Philly looks like. That is a franchise type move, not just a player move. "

Do you think something will still be available on the table tomorrow?

I don't know. There is so much discussion, it's almost like the trade deadline where you feel like you've talked to everyone a dozen times around the horn. There was so much talk coming into today I thought maybe there would be a little bit more than what happened, but it could be tomorrow. There's lots that can happen tomorrow or before July 1st."

That wraps up day one from the 2009 NHL entry draft.  Only one big move, and a move by the Flyers that has many wondering if they overpaid for the Human Rake, giving up Joffrey Lupul, Luca Sbisa and two first rounders. The Oilers did get a LW but it wasn't Heatley who many fans were hoping for.

And I wonder if the Flames in fact gave the Devils some compensation for signing Brent Sutter. The Flames had the 20th pick and traded down to Devils pick at 23. The Flames did get a 3rd rounder, but you wonder if that was a back door hand shake.

Talk to you tomorrow.

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One of Canada's most versatile sports personalities. Jason hosts The Jason Gregor Show, weekdays from 2 to 6 p.m., on TSN 1260, and he writes a column every Monday in the Edmonton Journal. You can follow him on Twitter at twitter.com/JasonGregor
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#1 Souby
June 26 2009, 11:14AM
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Interesting to hear the Souray rumours are heating up again. I really hope the Oil could pry Dustin Brown out of LA, though I feel they would have to sweeten the pot a bit more.

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#2 Scott
June 26 2009, 11:19AM
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Honestly, I think moving Souray to the kings for their 5th is a great move....just not sure we will get Kane at that pick. Maybe the Oil have something in place to flip picks with Atl once we get the 5th.

I think if we move Souray there is a good chance Jaybo is coming our way...otherwise not sure why they would trade him...either way, things are definately getting excited.

Great work thus far Gregor and glad to see my donation going to a very good cause...we are going to make this an annual thing...right??? may a bunch of us could go....lol.

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#3 DK0
June 26 2009, 11:33AM
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Who fired up the supercomputer finally? Props to whatever/whoever you had to do to get the site back up and running smoothly.

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#4 offside
June 26 2009, 11:33AM
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Why are the Oilers looking at moving Souray? I don't have anything factual but he seems to be a good fit here. Any insights?

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#5 scorecoff hemmercules
June 26 2009, 11:35AM
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Nice work Jason! Keep it coming.

I hope the site holds up when the draft is on. Can't say I didn't see this coming though, it crashed when mact got fired so its more likely to do it today.

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#6 Souby
June 26 2009, 11:41AM
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@ offside: Souray's ex lives in LA with his kids, so this makes the Kings and the Oil likely trading partners. If he is moved, it helps accomplish two things, Souray gets to be close to his kids and the Oil move up in the draft. It has nothing to do with whether Souray is a good fit for the Oil or not.

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#7 Librarian Mike
June 26 2009, 11:45AM
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Aha, you're back. Yay! Sounds like superdrama regarding Heatley. I wonder what happens if it turns out CAA is right on the money. Ottawa could become the new Edmonton in terms of desiriablility for players. I am loving this coverage, Jason.

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#8 DK0
June 26 2009, 11:48AM
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DK0 wrote:

Who fired up the supercomputer finally? Props to whatever/whoever you had to do to get the site back up and running smoothly.

May have been a little premature on that call. But it's getting there.

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#9 Archaeologuy
June 26 2009, 11:50AM
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Souby wrote:

I really hope the Oil could pry Dustin Brown out of LA, though I feel they would have to sweeten the pot a bit more.

I agree. LA would definitely need to give the Oilers more than Brown for Souray.

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#10 Madman37
June 26 2009, 11:51AM
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@ Souby: I am guessing it would be Frolov and a 3rd round pick.

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#11 David S
June 26 2009, 11:54AM
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DK0 wrote:

May have been a little premature on that call. But it’s getting there.

I think it takes a while for the new dilithium crystal to get up to working speed. Too bad. I bet Bingofuel was saving it for an awesome porn session.

BTW - Is the Walkabout Pub a "guys" bar?

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#12 RossCreek
June 26 2009, 11:55AM
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Here's the latest from DARREN DREGER'S TWITTER: "Tor, Philly, Minny and LA closing in on Ryane Clowe. SJ still trying to sign him."

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#13 Archaeologuy
June 26 2009, 12:00PM
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David S wrote:

I think it takes a while for the new dilithium crystal to get up to working speed. Too bad. I bet Bingofuel was saving it for an awesome porn session.

Geordi was too busy working on the reading rainbow instead of bustin his hump on the Enterprise.

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#14 BruceM
June 26 2009, 12:02PM
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Gregor: I lost the little cord thingy that connects my camera to the computer, but then somebody showed me there's a port on my laptop which accommodates the little memory card from my camera. No cord thingy required.

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#15 Souby
June 26 2009, 12:02PM
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Madman37 wrote:

@ Souby: I am guessing it would be Frolov and a 3rd round pick.

Frolov would be a heck of an addition. I mentioned Dustin Brown earlier because he can score and he hits everything in sight. Maybe the Oil could give LA Souray, Nillson and the 10th pick for Dustin Brown and the 5th.

Thoughts?

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#16 BruceM
June 26 2009, 12:02PM
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Gregor: I lost the little cord thingy that connects my camera to the computer, but then somebody showed me there's a port on my laptop which accommodates the little memory card from my camera. Plug-n-play, no cord thingy required.

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#17 Robin Brownlee
June 26 2009, 12:03PM
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Souray could be traded? No way. I'm not buying it . . .

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#18 Archaeologuy
June 26 2009, 12:07PM
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Souby wrote:

Maybe the Oil could give LA Souray, Nillson and the 10th pick for Dustin Brown and the 5th.

Oilers arent getting enough for Souray in that deal. Oilers keep the 10th and still get the 5th, now we're talking.

Brown has done nothing in his career to suggest he is anything close to fair value for a 50+ point 20+ goal defenseman who is tough as nails. Souray is a VERY VALUABLE asset. Think of better players than Brown. And the Oilers arent in the same kind of position as Ott. They dont NEED to trade him.

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#19 RossCreek
June 26 2009, 12:08PM
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Archaeologuy wrote:

Souby wrote: I really hope the Oil could pry Dustin Brown out of LA, though I feel they would have to sweeten the pot a bit more. I agree. LA would definitely need to give the Oilers more than Brown for Souray.

Your kidding, right?

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#20 Cubesworth
June 26 2009, 12:12PM
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Hey Jason, I'm a Flames fan living in Montreal, and working in a fun-ass Quebecer bar. Not sure how your night's agenda is looking after the draft, but If you need a place with good drink and an Albertan or two, come on by and see me at 'La Distillerie' (2047 avenue Du Mont-Royal Est). It's about a $10 cab ride from downtown, but worth the trip. Would love to meet up with a fellow Westerner and Talk Hockey. You have my email. Email me if you are interested. I'll be on 'Mojito Bar'

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#21 Gary Bellman
June 26 2009, 12:13PM
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I'm no computer/camera whiz so ignore this if I'm just demonstrating that this is the case, but does your computer have a card slot that would accept your camera photo card? I don't have a cord to transfer pics camera/comp so that's how I do it.

That aside I'm reading your blog with interest and appreciate your work.

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#22 RossCreek
June 26 2009, 12:15PM
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Robin Brownlee wrote:

Souray could be traded? No way. I’m not buying it . . .

Jeez Robin, if you'd just role up your sleeves, maybe you'd ~finally~ land a scoop.

So, what will the Oil be doing in August. You are from the future, right?

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#23 Madman37
June 26 2009, 12:17PM
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@ RossCreek: I think he's serious. I would love that trade, but I don't think LA would trade Brown. That is why I think Frolov is more realistic.

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#24 Dominoiler
June 26 2009, 12:19PM
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Souby:

I echo the comments of 'Whaaa?'

Brown is their captain.. Souray is good, but so is brown.. but without a doubt.. id take brown, hands down... nevermind retaining a superior draft pick...

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#25 Broadway
June 26 2009, 12:20PM
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@ RossCreek: If somehow the oil can get brown and 5 for souray and 10 that would be a steal for Edmonton. Brown is EXACTLY what we need!!

PS - even if we dont get Kane at 5, stealing Schenn from Burke would be awesome! lol

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#26 Souby
June 26 2009, 12:29PM
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@ Robin Brownlee: Anyone is tradeable providing it works for all parties. I believe Souray has a no-trade clause, but if he had a chance to be near his kids, don't you think he would take it?

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#27 Wanye Gretz
June 26 2009, 12:30PM
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The tech team recently yelled out "The database is getting 60 queries per second right now! The site can't handle that kind of heat."

Bingofuel and I just stood back and smiled proudly.

Then cried a bit.

Then smiled again.

The brains are on the case to keep this site running smoothly as possible. Gods help us if anything actually HAPPENS!!

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#28 swany
June 26 2009, 12:30PM
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Gregor some guy on another board (not hb) was saying a deal with Atlanta is all but done it goes to Atlanta Gilbert, Cogs and the 10th pick to Edmonton Armstrong, Lehtonen and the 4th pick, why in gods name would they do this, if they would add Cogs to get Heatley why would they make this deal it's a lot to give up and we can get a stating goalie off UFA this just doesn't make any sense.

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#29 Dominoiler
June 26 2009, 12:30PM
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Souby.. why would LA go for it...

On other sites I was hearing the same deal, pick switch plus souray for frolov... perhaps I under value souray, but why would LA do it?..

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#30 RossCreek
June 26 2009, 12:31PM
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Interesting tidbit from ANDY STRICKLAND on Dany Heatley: Things would really be interesting if Senators Owner Eugene Melnyk sticks to his threat of not paying Heatley his signing bonus if they are unsuccessful in moving him. A league source tells me Melnyk has said “There is no way we are paying him his $4 million bonus, I don’t care if he sues us.”

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#31 Archaeologuy
June 26 2009, 12:32PM
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RossCreek wrote:

Your kidding, right?

Totally kidding. 53 point forwards are totally worth 53 point defensemen. Totally.

Brown is a guy that plays a game the Oilers miss, that doesnt mean they should give up one of the top 10 offensive defensemen in the league to get him. Hello guys! Souray can get a heck of a lot more than Brown. Swapping the 10th and 5th still probably doesnt make up for the Value lost in that trade.

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#32 RossCreek
June 26 2009, 12:34PM
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Souby wrote:

@ Robin Brownlee: Anyone is tradeable providing it works for all parties. I believe Souray has a no-trade clause, but if he had a chance to be near his kids, don’t you think he would take it?

Didn't Brownlee suggest a potential Souray trade back in April? Isn't that what he was getting at, being sarcastic? ~

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#33 Archaeologuy
June 26 2009, 12:35PM
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@ swany: Totally agree about that wacky Atl proposal. If the Oilers are giving up THAT much they better be getting a proven guy like Heatley.

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#34 Souby
June 26 2009, 12:37PM
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@ RossCreek: Not kidding. I love Brown as a player. I am not saying he is a first-liner, but he can score and hits like a mack truck. This is the type of player the Oil not just want, but need!

If the Oil could move the contracts of Souray and Nillson for Brown it would give them an extra 4.225 million in cap space. Then they could pursue guys like Bouwmeester, Gaborik, Havlat, Hossa....take your pick.

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#35 RossCreek
June 26 2009, 12:37PM
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@ Archaeologuy: Umm, he's also about 8 or 10 years younger and has one of the best contracts in the league!

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#36 Archaeologuy
June 26 2009, 12:37PM
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Dominoiler wrote:

why would LA go for it…

Why would they trade a secondary player who cant play in his own zone for a premier defenseman who can quarterback a PP and score a comparable amount of goals all while being a physical force?

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#37 Souby
June 26 2009, 12:40PM
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@ Dominoiler: It looks like they are going to lose Johnson on the back end, so maybe they feel that Souray would fill that void?

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#38 RossCreek
June 26 2009, 12:40PM
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@ Souby: The "your kidding" comment was at Arch.

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#39 Souby
June 26 2009, 12:43PM
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@ RossCreek: Sorry man, my bad.

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#40 Wanye Gretz
June 26 2009, 12:43PM
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Look! Look! The site is working!

*stares open mouthed at enormous ball of string and baling wire holding it together and carefully backs away*

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#41 Archaeologuy
June 26 2009, 12:44PM
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RossCreek wrote:

@ Archaeologuy: Umm, he’s also about 8 or 10 years younger and has one of the best contracts in the league!

And this outweighs actual ability how?

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#42 CalvinC
June 26 2009, 12:46PM
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@ Archaeologuy:

Agreed, Although Brown plays the type of hockey everyone loves, he doesn't have near the value of Souray

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#43 RossCreek
June 26 2009, 12:48PM
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@ Archaeologuy: swany wrote:

Gregor some guy on another board (not hb) was saying a deal with Atlanta is all but done it goes to Atlanta Gilbert, Cogs and the 10th pick to Edmonton Armstrong, Lehtonen and the 4th pick, why in gods name would they do this, if they would add Cogs to get Heatley why would they make this deal it’s a lot to give up and we can get a stating goalie off UFA this just doesn’t make any sense.

All I'll say is I've been trumpeting Lehtonen & Armstrong out of ATL for a long There is a price to be paid to move up from 10th to 4th. I was thinking Lehtonen & 4th for Gilbert & 10th. Interesting

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#44 Cam
June 26 2009, 12:48PM
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@ Archaeologuy: It's all about value for dollars spent. If you can get 60% of Souray's value for 30% of the price it's a sweet deal.

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#45 Dominoiler
June 26 2009, 12:48PM
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Brown is more physical than Souray, although its a strength for both.. perhaps I am under valueing Souray, but I dont see them trading away brown, period.. btw, Souray doesnt quaterback the PP, he has got a bomb of a shot that is utilized that other player(s).. you make a good point that souray is an upper-level d-man, but.. still..

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#46 Archaeologuy
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@ CalvinC: That's all i'm saying. Brown is a fine player and would likely fit with Tambi's vision. But you dont give up one of the Leagues best offensive Dmen for a second liner. It's bad asset management, especially when there has been no trade demand like Heatley in Ottawa. The Oilers are in the driver's seat. They dont have to drive off the cliff if they dont want to.

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#47 RossCreek
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Archaeologuy wrote:

RossCreek wrote: @ Archaeologuy: Umm, he’s also about 8 or 10 years younger and has one of the best contracts in the league! And this outweighs actual ability how?

The same way it does when you won't trade Hemsky for Lecavalier.

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#48 Chester Copperpot
June 26 2009, 12:51PM
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Sportsnet is reporting that the salary cap is on the rise. It's $56.8 mil up from $56.7.

What do the Oilers do with the extra $100,000

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#49 Mike Krushelnyski
June 26 2009, 12:52PM
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CalvinC wrote:

@ Archaeologuy: Agreed, Although Brown plays the type of hockey everyone loves, he doesn’t have near the value of Souray

Everyone's talking about this like it's a one-for-one. There is a LOT of value in moving from #10 to #5 in this draft

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#50 Archaeologuy
June 26 2009, 12:52PM
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@ Dominoiler: The way I see it the Oil need more than physicality coming back for Souray. Defensemen (IMO) are much more valuable than forwards, and Defensemen who are second in Goal scoring and 8th in total points are even more valuable.

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