Waiver Wire Madness

Kent Wilson
October 05 2010 11:02AM

UNIONDALE, NY - MARCH 25: Center Brett Sutter #42 of the Calgary Flames skates up ice against the New York Islanders during an NHL game at the Nassau Coliseum on March 25, 2010 in Uniondale, New York. (Photo by Paul Bereswill/Getty Images)

 

With today being the last day to submit waiver lists, a lot of notable names hit the wire this morning with some of them getting scooped up.

On the Flames front, Matt Pelech and Cam Cunning cleared waivers while Brett Sutter was placed on the wire, no doubt with a view to sending him down. That cuts the hopefuls down to Brodie and Meyers in town, meaning they will both likely be on the roster come Thursday. 

Elsewhere:

- Former Canucks first round pick Michael Grabner was claimed by the New York Islanders. Acquired by the Panthers in the Ballard trade, Grabner was unable to crack a pretty feeble line-up in Florida, but was nonetheless interesting to NYI (an even more depthless roster thanks to a recent injury to Okposo). 

- Mattias Ritola was claimed by Steve Yzerman and the Tampa Bay Lightning. Ritola is one of the Wings better forward prospects, although his results in the AHL thus far have been just okay. Clearly, Yzerman is familiar with the player and sees something in him worht taking a chance on.

- Shane O'Brien was dealt for Ryan Parent. The former was expensive for his role in VAN at $1.6M and suffered from a number of discipline issues/run-ins with the coach last year. He's a salary dump. As for Parent, he was a former first rounder by NAS who has already been traded 3 times. At 23 years old and with a lot of marginal results behind him at both the NHL and AHL level, Parent's stock has plummeted since he was picked 18th overall in 2005. 

- The Rangers placed Tim Kennedy and Todd White on waivers as well. This is an odd move seeing as both guys were recently acquired by Sather, especially since the team didn't really need to clear space since Wade Redden was recently re-assigned to the AHL. This suggests that Sather is clearing room for a specific move in the near future.

Feel free to add anything else in the comments.

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#1 Flamin Cannot's
October 05 2010, 11:44AM
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I sure hope B.utter Jr. does not get pick up I think he will be a great 3rd liner, pkiller, and defence forward type in the near future....

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#3 everton fc
October 05 2010, 12:00PM
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You think Sutter will clear? Really?? I get a sense he won't. Which will be most disappointing, as I agree Flamin' Cannot's comments above.

Good to see Meyer make the squad. Still think Staois gets waived. Thing 1 is Ivanans, correct? He needs to be waived, as well.

Grabner is a good pickup for the Isles.

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#4 Graham
October 05 2010, 12:18PM
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It's a numbers game, putting Sutter on waivers and keeping Meyers was the correct move. Meyers was pretty solid in camp, and clearly has moved ahead of Sutter on the depth chart.

Nothing wrong with Sutter, but the league has a surplus of 4th line rookie/vet talent. I expect him to clear waivers, not a huge loss if he does not.

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#5 everton fc
October 05 2010, 12:35PM
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...Now all we have to do... collectively... is know that "Meyers" last name is actually "Meyer" ;) Funny how many people are getting this wrong! He is going to be a real positive find, Meyer. Brent knew what he brought to the table. Well done.

Sutter could be a good fit on Long Island.

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#6 Sincity1976
October 05 2010, 01:08PM
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I wouldn't be surprised if they are waiving him today but with the intent of playing him. Might as well waive him in the mass group to minimize the risk of him being picked up. Then play him until Moss or Kotalik is ready and then move either him or Meyer down.

I can't see them playing 12-forwards, including Ivanan, especially with cap relief available. Unless they really need him on the heat.

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#7 Greg
October 05 2010, 01:54PM
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I would LOVE to see the Flames claim Kennedy. Young, offensive potential, plays center or wing, cheap like borscht. I don't know much about his underlying numbers, but I can't imagine him going unclaimed.

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#8 everton fc
October 05 2010, 05:04PM
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I was thinking the same on Kennedy. The only down-side is his size. The Rangers had him at $550K. I agree - a porential bargain.

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#9 everton fc
October 05 2010, 05:05PM
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"Porential"... translated in English, means "potential"! :)

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#10 Section 216
October 05 2010, 05:21PM
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So is this what we expect Thursday.

Tanguay - Jokinen - Iginla Hagman - Backlund - Bourque Glencross - Morrison - Conroy Jackman - Meyer - Ivanans

Regehr - White Bouwmeester - Giordano Sarich - Brodie

Kipper Karlsson

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#11 SmellOfVictory
October 05 2010, 05:36PM
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Section 216 wrote:

So is this what we expect Thursday.

Tanguay - Jokinen - Iginla Hagman - Backlund - Bourque Glencross - Morrison - Conroy Jackman - Meyer - Ivanans

Regehr - White Bouwmeester - Giordano Sarich - Brodie

Kipper Karlsson

Almost. According to Vicki Hall, the 2nd/3rd lines to expect are:

Hagman - Morrison - Bourque

Glencross - Backlund - Jackman

Which could be worse. I like Glencross with Backlund, at least.

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#12 Austin
October 05 2010, 05:38PM
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@Section 216

Wasn't the purpose of signing Morrison to have him be the second line center and have backlund be third???

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#13 dustin642
October 05 2010, 05:52PM
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Do you think that if Brett Sutter was not a Sutter he would have an easier time making this team? It seems like his dad will choose someone else over him in a tie to ensure that people do not think that he is just "giving" a spot to his son. Not saying that Brett Sutter should have made the team over Meyer or anything. Just wondering if anyone else gets the same feeling...

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#14 dustin642
October 05 2010, 05:55PM
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Why is twitter exploding with Souray to CALGARY rumors????? WHY?

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#15 SmellOfVictory
October 05 2010, 06:01PM
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dustin642 wrote:

Why is twitter exploding with Souray to CALGARY rumors????? WHY?

Yeah, that seems like the most terrible idea ever. Only thing that would make it remotely acceptable is if Edmonton threw in their 1st for this season.

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#16 Canucks Suck
October 05 2010, 06:08PM
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*Really hopes they are just rumors*

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#18 everton fc
October 05 2010, 06:27PM
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Would anyone take Souray and Cogliano for Sarich and Glencross? That's one of the rumours...

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#20 everton fc
October 05 2010, 06:36PM
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I wouldn't either! I like both players. I think Sarich, in particular, is a class act...

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#21 Sincity1976
October 05 2010, 07:03PM
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The "rumor" also has picks coming to Calgary. It is also clearly speculation as opposed to rumor. Though there are some in twitter-land that seem to think its based on something. Dreggor has said he has heard nothing of the sort though.

Personally, and I know I am in the large minority, I wouldn't mind seeing Souray in Calgary. Regher-Souray; Bouwmeester-White; Giordano-Staios is a pretty potent D in my opinion. The catch is he needs to be healthy though.

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#22 FireOnIce
October 05 2010, 07:23PM
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Yes, Souray to Calgary would be great. Until we have to trade him in January, because he got in a fight with Iggy over that little concussion and broken hand incident...

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#24 everton fc
October 05 2010, 07:43PM
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Glencross is good for 12-15 goals a season. Maybe more. For his salary, a bargain.

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#25 RossCreekNation
October 05 2010, 08:03PM
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In 3 seasons, Andrew Cogliano has twice scored 18 goals. He's not even 24. He's making 1M this year & a RFA after this season. Glencross makes more, has less potential, all while being a UFA at season's end. Souray has a bomb from the point on the PP, plays physical & contrary to popular belief, is not the plague. Sure, his contract is less than attractive, but with Langkow likely out for the season, they should have the $. His value is so low because the Oil have no bargaining power, not because he's no good.

This wouldn't be the first trade I'd look to make, but I find it somewhat funny how quick to dismiss this deal everyone is. It does fill 2 needs. If given the choice between this or nothing, I'd lean toward seriously considering it.

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#26 dustin642
October 05 2010, 08:21PM
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Souray+Cogliano+2nd rounder to CGY for Sarich+Staios is really the only somewhat acceptable deal I could see. Glencross would be a player that I would NOT trade away unless we are in 14-15th place and there is no way to re-sign him. Only then. I really hope this is a rumor that will become nothing more. Anyone have any info on Cogliano just in case this crap rumor may be true because I know nothing about him at all (other than he is fast)

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#27 dustin642
October 05 2010, 08:23PM
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RossCreekNation wrote:

In 3 seasons, Andrew Cogliano has twice scored 18 goals. He's not even 24. He's making 1M this year & a RFA after this season. Glencross makes more, has less potential, all while being a UFA at season's end. Souray has a bomb from the point on the PP, plays physical & contrary to popular belief, is not the plague. Sure, his contract is less than attractive, but with Langkow likely out for the season, they should have the $. His value is so low because the Oil have no bargaining power, not because he's no good.

This wouldn't be the first trade I'd look to make, but I find it somewhat funny how quick to dismiss this deal everyone is. It does fill 2 needs. If given the choice between this or nothing, I'd lean toward seriously considering it.

Thanks for the Cogliano info I did not see your comment before I posted mine.

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#28 B
October 05 2010, 08:45PM
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...what about Sarich or Staios + Backlund for Souray + 2nd round pick?

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#29 John Deere Green
October 05 2010, 09:09PM
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Any thoughts from anyone about this being a sort of thank-you from Edmonton for taking Staios last year. Take Souray and Cogliano and give us your couple of contracts you really want gone. Kotalik and Staois? I don't know who or how it would fit in the cap. Hope it's not Sarich, I like him for depth.

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#31 Flamin Cannot's
October 05 2010, 09:31PM
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I need to stop reading these posts - these rumours are scaring me, I can't dismiss the rumours because I could see Dutter doing this deal! Yikes

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#32 SmellOfVictory
October 05 2010, 10:38PM
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B wrote:

...what about Sarich or Staios + Backlund for Souray + 2nd round pick?

Sweet Jesus, no.

@RossCreek:

The issue I take with this hypothetical trade is not in Cogliano or Souray as players, but the amount of cap fockery it would only serve to increase. Souray just costs way too much, and is signed for the next two seasons at that price. Some teams could take the hit, but Calgary is not one of them.

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#33 RossCreekNation
October 05 2010, 10:39PM
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And now from Vicki Hall, as well...

One persistent rumour - that finally hit main-stream media websites Tuesday night - is a blockbuster trade between the Flames and the Oilers that would see Sheldon Souray, Andrew Cogliano and draft picks moving to Calgary for Cory Sarich and Curtis Glencross.
The move makes some sense. Glencross ($1.2 million US) was an on-and-off resident of head coach Brent Sutter's doghouse last season.
Sarich can still contribute at 32, but his $3.6 million contract is hefty.
The banished Souray has a cap hit of $5.4 million. Cogliano would help with team speed, and his salary comes in at $1 million.
But it's just a rumour.

http://www.calgaryherald.com/sports/Flames+Sutter+puts+Brett+waivers/3628732/story.html

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#34 RossCreekNation
October 05 2010, 10:54PM
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@SmellOfVictory

IMO, Daymond Langkow is done. As mentioned all summer, Ales Kotalik could be sacrificed if need be.

The Flames supposedly have an opportunity to unload an over-priced d-man (whom I like... at a mil less than he makes) & an impending UFA (whom I like, but seems at odds with the coach) and acquire two guys at 50cents on the dollar -- Souray, who is not worth the cap he makes, but IS worth more than his perceived value, and a 23 year old speed demon (coming off a sub-par season) with 46 goals & 111 pts in 246 games since turning pro (while not missing a game in his entire pro career). FYI, Sam Gagner has 44 goals & 132 pts in 223 games in the same stretch.

Like I said, its not the first deal I'd go out looking to make, but if its between this or staying the course for the season, I'll take this deal. Perhaps they can even retrieve the 3rd rounder they gave up in the Staios deal.

Why Flames fans are sickened at the thought of adding some youth & speed to the mix is beyond me. Remember, we spent all summer saying that if Staios wasn't gone, we'd have to move Sarich, even for a negative return.

JMO...

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#35 Greg
October 05 2010, 10:56PM
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I was able to dismiss that as soon as I heard it. It doesn't make a lick of sense, which of course means Sutter might actually be doing it. But the math just can't be made to work without both Staotalik's going to the minors... or Souray himself, at some point this season. I think that handcuffs Sutter. Although, if we're tanking mid season and there's a first rounder involved, I think that would be a great first start at a full rebuild.

I've always wondered why GMs don't get creative and take bad contracts as part of a rebuild. For example, had we decided to do a full rebuild last season, why not offer Kipper to Chicago for Huet and a couple first rounders? You still have to pay to the salary floor and want to get as high a pick as possible, so loading up on crappy contracts for a couple years to buy a ton of picks seems like a good idea to me.

Sorry, I digressed. Never gave this rumor a 2nd glance.

And @Kent... bahaha! Nice one on the Sutter-vocab zinger! :D

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#36 Flamin Cannot's
October 05 2010, 11:06PM
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@RossCreekNation

At first I thought this deal was stupid, but the flames would be a better team for it. The flames need a good young centre - in addition to Backlund, so getting Cogliano would improve the team, Souray is not a bad defence man - who would you rather Souray or Sarich? To me it is a saw off even when you look at salaries...I guess we will find out soon enough.

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#37 SmellOfVictory
October 05 2010, 11:22PM
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In other news, Howse has 7 goals in the first 3 games of the WHL season. Good start.

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#38 Wanyes bastard child
October 05 2010, 11:25PM
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@RossCreekNation

Shush, quit poisoning their minds!

Remember folks, this is a bad deal... BAD!!!

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#39 SmellOfVictory
October 05 2010, 11:37PM
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@RossCreekNation

I'm a pretty big Cogliano fan, so no need to convince me on him. I still don't like the Souray side of it, and as far as forwards go, if Kotalik were involved then Calgary would be trading two solid third liners (albeit one significantly overpaid) and getting only one guy who's currently of third line ability back.

It wouldn't be the worst trade in the world, but again, Souray's cap hit is pretty rough; especially on a team with four guys making a combined 17 million dollars on the blue line already.

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#40 MC Hockey
October 05 2010, 11:42PM
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Hi all, Big Flames player move to come I almost guarantee. The Flames must clear so will be sending someone to the minors or trading for sure. Even with Long-Term Injury Reserve exceptions, you cannot be over the cap to start the season and this includes injured players (like Langkow and Stahan). The CBA examples show that a team can only replace salaries (like Stajan and Langkow or others) if you are already under the cap. I have some legal background and poured over the CBA, section 50.10 (d) and all subsections and examples below it. I am 99% sure that Flames have to make a move to save at least $2.575 million now. And that salary number already assumes a 23-main roster (per www.capgeek.com) with Morrison salary is in, while Brodie and Meyer salaries out (must be sent down). Options to get under cap: 1) Send down Sarich and you could keep Brodie or Meyer up easily. 2) Send down Staios, you are covered but only 22-man active roster. 3) Send down Kotalik or other $3M salary and can barely keep either Meyer or Brodie (who has bonuses) up with Flames. You heard it here first!

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#41 Shaun
October 06 2010, 12:27AM
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Is anyone else annoyed that Vancouver is able to dump a salary like O'Brien and yet Sutter is still sitting on 8 defencemen? Is he even trying to make a trade? Granted O'Brien isn't making as much as Staio's or Sarich but c'mon!

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#42 Shaun
October 06 2010, 03:25AM
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@RossCreekNation

Do you think Edmonton would be willing to part with Omark? Do you think he would be worth it as part of the deal? He might fit nice with Backlund and make up two-thirds of pretty talented (albeit green) third line.

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#43 Luc
October 06 2010, 09:43AM
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tangs jokes iggy

hagman stajan bourque

morrison backlund kotalik

glencross connie moss.

(dunno if works cap wise)

not to bad. GET RID OF THING 1 + 2

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#44 Flamin Cannot's
October 06 2010, 10:22AM
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yesss...butter junior has cleared waivers = still a flamer!

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#45 walkinvisible
October 06 2010, 10:23AM
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Flamin Cannot's wrote:

yesss...butter junior has cleared waivers = still a flamer!

dutter junior, if you wanna get technical.

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#46 Flamin Cannot's
October 06 2010, 10:31AM
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dutter junior, if you wanna get technical.

Well butter sounds better and his first name is Brett = Butter and I need to differentiate between him and Brent so Butter Junior was born! I guess it depends or your perspective…

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#47 CJT
October 06 2010, 10:43AM
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I love the Thing 1 and 2 nicknames, but to me they seem more suited to be BeeBop and RockSteady.

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#48 Flamin Cannot's
October 06 2010, 12:48PM
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Thank gawd - sounds like Souray has been sent to the AHL, which means no trade with the flames...

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#50 Dano0049
October 06 2010, 02:41PM
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Hearing on the Fan 960 that Mark Giordano has possibly signed extension! Really want that confirmed, that would make my day. Am waiting for the Fan to confirm, right now it is just an "I heard this rumor type thing".

Kent or Pat or anyone, have you heard anything about this?

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