Postgame: Better, But Another Loss

Pat Steinberg
November 13 2010 11:32PM

San Jose Sharks captain Joe Thornton (R) is congratulated by teammates after scoring against the Columbus Blue Jackets during the third period of their NHL hockey game in Stockholm October 9, 2010. REUTERS/Bob Strong (SWEDEN - Tags: SPORT ICE HOCKEY)

There was plenty to like about Calgary's game on Saturday night in San Jose, but it goes down as another loss, this time 4-3 at the hands of the Sharks.  Lots of good things happened...Jarome Iginla scored a timely goal and Jay Bouwmeester showed some offensive flair...but in the end, Joe Pavelski's line was the difference, and they drop the Flames two games below. 500.

What Happened

This game had the look of an ugly one for the visitors, as they found themselves shorthanded just 58 seconds into the game...and just 66 seconds in, they found themselves down 1-0, as Joe Thornton snapped his sixth of the season past Miikka Kiprusoff.  The Sharks would stake themselves to a 2-0 lead at 10:24 when Pavelski threaded a gorgeous pass to Ryane Clowe who zipped it through, and it was 2-0 after one.  San Jose severely outchanced Calgary in that first period, 15-4 in fact, and Kiprusoff needed to come up with some large, timely saves to keep this game within striking distance.

And Calgary was able to close the gap early in the second period, thanks to a 5-on-3 powerplay, as Mark Giordano snapped his second of the season just 51 seconds in, but the Sharks would answer right back thanks to the Pavelski line again...Joe potted his fourth at 16:22 to stake San Jose to a 3-1 lead after 40.  Give the Flames credit, they generated some chances in the middle frame, thanks to some powerplay time, but it gave them some optimism heading into the third.

Once again, Calgary reeled the Sharks back in, this time at 9:14 of the final frame...a real good shift lead by Jarome Iginla yielded a great cycle, and Jay Bouwmeester popped into the play at the right time to pot his second.  But once again, Calgary couldn't keep the Sharks from coming back...a bad step up from Brendan Mikkelson set up an odd man rush the other way, and this time Logan Couture made the Flames pay, with his sixth at 14:10.  And yet, Calgary battled back once more, and it was the captain who got them back within one...Jarome Iginla fired his third of the season at 19:23 from the left circle off a nice feed from Alex Tanguay, and it set things up for a frantic finish.  Calgary got their offensive zone faceoff, but in the end, once again...it was too little, too late, and Calgary drops to 6-8 on the season.

One Good Reason...

SAN JOSE, CA - MAY 16: Joe Pavelski #8 of the San Jose Sharks looks down while taking on the Chicago Blackhawks in Game One of the Western Conference Finals during the 2010 NHL Stanley Cup Playoffs at HP Pavilion on May 16, 2010 in San Jose, California. (Photo by Ezra Shaw/Getty Images)
 

...why the Flames lost? It came down to two things ultimately for me, but more than anything, they could not contain Joe Pavelski, Logan Couture and Ryane Clowe, who were absolutely dominant on this night.  They were matched up primarily against Curtis Glencross, Olli Jokinen and Rene Bourque and outplayed them fairly consistently...both Glencross and Bourque were outchanced 9-0 at ES, while Jokinen was behind 8-1.

Calgary's powerplay also let them down, going 1/7 with some opportunities to tie the game.  I know they scored on the 5-on-3, but when you're in a game like this, it's gotta be a little more timely.

Red Warrior

Calgary Flames' Jarome Iginla (R) controls the puck against San Jose Sharks' Marc-Edouard Vlasic during the first period of their NHL hockey game in San Jose, California November 13, 2010. REUTERS/Robert Galbraith (UNITED STATES - Tags: SPORT ICE HOCKEY)
 

I'll go with the captain...Jarome Iginla responded on this night for the Flames.  He had the late goal, played 20:33, and his strong shift lead to Bouwmeester's goal in the third period.  I liked a lot of what we saw from him, and it came against pretty strong opposition, playing against San Jose's top line for good chunks of this game.  Lets hope it's the start of a trend for him.

Sum It Up

Once again, it was a better effort for the Flames, but I know a lot of people are getting tired of hearing "good things, but not good enough."  I for one don't buy the argument that they're not good enough to win games...I certainly don't think they're a top team, but I also think they're better than 6-8.  However, eventually you have to start winning games when you play fairly well in them, and if the hole ends up being too deep, at some point it's going to be too hard to dig yourself out.  The Flames take on Phoenix on Wednesday.

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#1 Luc
November 14 2010, 11:50AM
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ya lets pull a chicago and get 500 people to the games for 5 years before they get 5 super high draft picks that happen to work.

Yes the team isnt where we want. No sometimes we as fans are not going to like the product on the ice.

BUT THATS WHAT MAKES IT FUN BABY!!!

knowing and thinking of what we can do to improve and get that dam cup!! what new player will come in and change the franchise!!

darkest before the dawn my friend. this is the good stuff for true fans

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#2 Nolan Moore
November 14 2010, 01:14AM
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Again saying they're playing better, etc is just like the Simpsons episode where the people of Springfield rebuild the Flanders' house with "Good intentions". Ned finally realizing their "good intentions" werent good enough said, "Well my family and I can't live in good intentions".

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#3 Backburner52
November 14 2010, 02:11AM
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I didn't even watch the game, but I had a feeling it was going to be like the Phoenix game, frustrating. Second month into the season and the team isn't exactly inspiring a lot of hope. I can't remember who said it last season, but all the credit they earned with the '04 Cup Run has been used up and it's becoming increasingly hard to cheer for a team that continues to underachieve. What will it take to get right the ship and get the team back on to their winning ways?

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#4 Sean Elekes
November 14 2010, 03:08AM
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There can be no positives to take from the Flames. Game to game it's always the same. We did somethings right and some very wrong. At the end of the game, Flames lose. The game of hockey isn't hard to figure out. You put the puck into the net more than the other team. Please vote for Rick Nash

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#5 SmellOfVictory
November 14 2010, 03:26AM
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What do I get for nailing the Iginla sweepstakes?

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#6 Kent Wilson
November 14 2010, 09:29AM
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SmellOfVictory wrote:

What do I get for nailing the Iginla sweepstakes?

A hearty congratulations!

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#7 Sean Elekes
November 14 2010, 09:38AM
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@SmellOfVictory

Mr. SmellOfVictory, I would give you my allegiance. Vote Rick Nash.

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#8 JF
November 14 2010, 09:53AM
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The 8th place team in the West last year had 95 points at seasons end. The Flames currently have 14 points. If we assume that post-season play this year will require about the same number of regular season points as last year that means we need about 81 more points... that means the Flames likely need to go 38-19-5 for the rest of the season. Uhg.

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#9 dotfras
November 14 2010, 09:54AM
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Man I don't know if Jarome deserves Red Warrior for playing a couple shifts in the 3rd.

You could argue he was one of the only guys to stay even in terms of chances, but I think Stajan had a more complete game and finished with a better corsi.

I would put Hagman & Glencross above Iggy too, they created some odd man chances and showed a ton of hustle throughout the game.

I think it comes down to not capitalizing on opportunities though, 3 missed 2 on 1s, if we would have buried one of those it could have been a different game.

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#10 Sean Elekes
November 14 2010, 10:02AM
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@JF

"Playoffs, No playoffs". famous quote (Jim Mora SR.). I guess no playoffs for Calgary 2011. Vote Rick Nash!

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#11 Kent Wilson
November 14 2010, 10:30AM
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JF wrote:

The 8th place team in the West last year had 95 points at seasons end. The Flames currently have 14 points. If we assume that post-season play this year will require about the same number of regular season points as last year that means we need about 81 more points... that means the Flames likely need to go 38-19-5 for the rest of the season. Uhg.

Yeesh. That's a sobering stat.

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#12 Sean Elekes
November 14 2010, 10:40AM
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After reading the National Post article that Jason Van Rassel & Stephane Massinon wrote November 13, 2010, on Brett Sutter "OBVIOSLY INTOXICATED". I think someone in the, Flames organization should look into a Toxicology Report as I believe this poor kid was a victim of being drugged by GHB. He has all the symptoms. Vote Rick Nash

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#13 Luc
November 14 2010, 11:01AM
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Backburner52 wrote:

I didn't even watch the game, but I had a feeling it was going to be like the Phoenix game, frustrating. Second month into the season and the team isn't exactly inspiring a lot of hope. I can't remember who said it last season, but all the credit they earned with the '04 Cup Run has been used up and it's becoming increasingly hard to cheer for a team that continues to underachieve. What will it take to get right the ship and get the team back on to their winning ways?

really fella.... dont be a fan then, jump off the bandwagon

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#14 Nwr
November 14 2010, 11:42AM
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I hate the band wagon jumper saying/ argument. It doesn't sit well. What are we supposed o follow a team blindly no matter what they do. When they do things that frustrate us it is our right when we pay the ticket price to have our say. Does it make you are any more of a fan cause you will follow like a sheep no matter what? I don't think so, anyone that reads these messages waits to call into the shows and follows this team is a true fan. The band wagon argument doesn't work. Anybody who buys merchandise pays the ticket prices and truly gets upset and disappointed with a team is a fan. Maybe the flames need people to stop going to games and paying there ways. Maybe then something will change, as Ken king said if all the season ticket holders renew obviously there isn't a problem.... If thats the mentality all of our players will retire here and we will be occupying some lonesome spots in the bottom of the western conference

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#15 Sean Elekes
November 14 2010, 11:59AM
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Luc, I like your tone. You speak from the heart.

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#16 Backburner52
November 14 2010, 12:27PM
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@Luc

I don't think any one player can fix the team. It's team sport that requires all the players to pitch in the effort to win the game. There is enough experience on the team to be able to get the job done.

But, are they mentally in the game? How many games were there where someone missed an assignment? How many games were there where they had intensity in the first 20, or first 40 minutes, only to taper off in the third and fall behind? While I acknowledge that they've been able to pull it together in the final 10 of the third period, where was that effort when the team is down in the second period? The move of one player, or the acquisition of another player won't help if the underlying problem still exists. Will following the strategies of Washington, Pittsburgh, and Chicago work for Calgary? Who's to say. It's not working out too well in Edmonton right now, but they're in the first season of their rebuild plan.

Whether I am considered dedicated fan, a true fan, or a bandwagon jumper, I am still a fan of this franchise and I am a fan of this sport (granted I may not have the same fanaticism as a Maple Leaf fan). I am not as quick as some of the hockey analysts are in throwing Calgary under the bus and saying their season is already over. I admit my faith in the team has wavered during this road-trip, but I still believe they can turn things around. They just need to get their act together. Having a championship team, or a contending team is a point of civic pride; the fans have as much emotional investment in this team as the players themselves have, as evident by the posters of FlamesNation and the call-in shows.

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#17 Sean Elekes
November 14 2010, 12:41PM
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Read the signs.....they all point to missing the 2011 playoffs. They have lost six of seven, a 4 game losing streak followed by a win followed by their 2 game current losing streak, now! Last year they lost 9 straight and look what happened. Missed the 2010 playoffs. Darryl Sutter, himself said that's what cost them their season.

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#18 Bruins
November 14 2010, 12:48PM
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You are absolutely right. It is hard to support this team when the same problem occurs over and over and you hear comments from the president telling you nothing is wrong with the product when the fans keep filling the seats.Why are some teams great year after. MANAGEMENT. When they are not then teams rebuild. This team needs to rebuild and I don't think the current management is capable of doing the job.

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#19 Flamin Cannot's
November 14 2010, 01:14PM
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JF wrote:

The 8th place team in the West last year had 95 points at seasons end. The Flames currently have 14 points. If we assume that post-season play this year will require about the same number of regular season points as last year that means we need about 81 more points... that means the Flames likely need to go 38-19-5 for the rest of the season. Uhg.

Moral of the story, fore Dutter now! If Iggy is gonna be traded don't let Dutter do it, let the next GM do it! Please!

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#20 dotfras
November 14 2010, 01:20PM
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I don't think we need to "rebuild".

We have some great prospects, and some young players who are already stepping it up.

Darryl has dug himself into a bit of a hole with all of the multi-year deals linked with NTC's.

Hagman is tradeable. At this point I don't think Tanguay is a guy we should resign unless it's for less money, Staios & White are outta here.

Does Langkow's money come off the books if he retires?

Regardless we are going to have a bit of cash to play with, some notable UFA's are Semin, Leino, Laich, Richards, Hejduk.

Next year a couple of our prospects should be at a place where they can compete for a spot on the roster - Nemisz, Wahl, Cameron, Brodie, Bouma, I think the biggest thing for next year is that we don't sign any stupid contracts & try to develop the prospects, even if it means icing a somewhat inexperienced roster ex. Colorado last year.

It wouldn't be a rebuild because we aren't blowing up the roster (I don't think it's even possible with all of the NTC's) but a shift in the mindset of "being one or two tweaks away", that has been our biggest downfall in the last few years, Darryl was always making tweaks & throwing old guys in there instead of developing young talent.

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#21 Nolan Moore
November 14 2010, 01:21PM
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For everyone who says they need to blow it up and start all over. (5 years of bad play and great drafts) Um, correct me if I'm wrong but didnt the Flames go TEN years (give or take) out of the playoffs and mediocre teams, some good drafts and whaddya see now? What about the Leafs. THey were horrific in the 80's got top 5 draft choices all the time and look what happened. No top drafts dont mean you'll be good in the future but it helps AND you have to have a scouting staff that knows what theyre doing. I have no faith in this scouting staff, Pro or Amateur.

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#22 Backburner52
November 14 2010, 01:30PM
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Extended losing streaks costing them a shot at the 2010 Playoffs goes without saying. January 2010 was the most disturbing month of that season. The current trend they're on also indicates they're going to miss the 2011 Playoffs, especially if the fall short of JF's projected numbers. We're also in the second month of the season and as disturbing (and frustrating) as things are, we should not be so quick to write them off. Without a doubt they've got one hell of a climb, if they want to make themselves contenders. Stranger things have happened in the NHL...Boston shatting the bed against Philadelphia in last year's Playoffs, Derek Boogard scoring, Kovalchuk failing in that shootout against Buffalo (Enroth's reaction was funny), or Calgary trading Aaron Johnson and a third round pick to Edmonton for Steve freakin' Staios.

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#23 Sean Elekes
November 14 2010, 01:58PM
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Last year at game 69 against Detroit the Flames lost 2-1. They were dunn like dinner. I tried to tell people hey it's not over, the season isn't over, but it was in fact over. With us having the same team as last year and a Mario Lemieux #66 amount of games left to be played. How could you not write this team off?

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#24 SmellOfVictory
November 14 2010, 02:29PM
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Kent Wilson wrote:

A hearty congratulations!

I accept! Vote Rick Nash.

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#25 SmellOfVictory
November 14 2010, 02:36PM
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Disagree on Tanguay. Even with his current play/production, he's decent value. Langks' money would come off if he retired.

As far as UFAs, one or both of Semin and Laich will be resigned by the caps, and Leino will probably be resigned by Philly. Not sure on Richards, but I could see Hejduk making free agency for sure.

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#26 R O
November 14 2010, 03:10PM
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I don't think we'd have to wait til next Summer to have Richards if Sutter wanted him badly enough.

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#27 R O
November 14 2010, 03:12PM
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And Richards is basically a rich man's Langkow so I don't see too many endgames where a whatever-for-Richards trade wouldn't immediately put the Flames season back on the rails.

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#28 Backburner52
November 14 2010, 03:50PM
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I'm a "glass is half-full" kinda fan. Plus, I've got a bet going so I have no choice but to hope that they can pull this one outta the fire. If the Flames do indeed flub this season and don't make the Playoffs, I'll be the first to admit that you were correct. Until then, they still have a chance, as long as it they make it a fighting one.

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#29 SmellOfVictory
November 14 2010, 04:16PM
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I wonder if Dallas would take White (plus whatever other salary) for Richards.

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#30 Luc
November 14 2010, 04:27PM
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SmellOfVictory wrote:

I wonder if Dallas would take White (plus whatever other salary) for Richards.

would you??

lol doubtful

plus hes expensive as hell.

i wish we could snag MIKE richards.

my kinda player.

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#31 Kenn
November 14 2010, 04:47PM
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I caught both the Coyotes and Sharks games. I thought these games were somewhat close but if it was not for Kipper in both of them I do not believe the Flames would have even been in either game. I am not buying into anymore of the BS the Flames sell or that the players like to convey to the fans in their interviews. It is the same repeated verbiage over and over. Most if not all the players have some sort of value and I am sure they are pretty good guys but when it comes to bringing together an elite team or a contending team Darryl is dreaming and so is any other part of the management if they think this team will challenge for a playoff spot let alone the cup. They are going to end up playing the bag off Kipper again this year and I doubt they have a lot of confidence in HK as the backup right now. I would assume HK should get a start here in the next week or two. Problem is the Flames are now getting desperate again so they will play Kipper because he gives them the best chance of winning.

This team is has no finishers and even if they are getting 30 to 40 shots per game they just do not have the type of talent to make those types of shots count or bury them. We have had this same problem year in and year out. Cammi was such a good fit here but Darryl had to screw that deal up and even make it better by thinking Olli was our savoir at the number one centre position. Then last year out of pure desperation we needed to trade one of our studs (Dion) for four players that were suppose to spread the balance of scoring and bring more balance and depth to this team. What a JOKE this has been. Some may totally disagree with me but White, Stajan and Hagman for Aulie and Phaneuf. How did we not even get a draft pick or two for Phaneuf and Aulie.

White at 3 million, Stajan at 3.5 million, Bouwmeester at 6.7 million, Staios 2.7 million, Olli at 3 million with a no trade clause (are you kidding me).

Kipper and Iggy deserve what they are being paid. Kipper more so than any of the top players. Iggy even at 7 million is not looking all that good going back to last year for the Flames. Iggy had a decent Olympics but he struggled mightily here last year too. Iggy has two more years at 7 million with a NTC too.

I am all about supporting the team that I have followed since they arrived here in Calgary but I cannot sit around and keep endorsing dumb and senseless contracts and some trades that leave you scratching your head wondering what was that all about and then also seeing the draft picks we have given up in trades in the hopes of winning the cup.

Though Kipper's numbers are not great he is most nights again the only reason we have a chance to scrap and grind out a win. We could easily be last in the conference or be where Buffalo and New Jersey are, we are not that far off.

Can the present management team even be trusted to make smart hockey decisions and if presented make good hockey trades to help this team to rebuild the youth we so badly need for the future too. Sutter talks about bring in more youth but then we are lucky if he lets one new youngster from the farm system into the line-up.

Bob McKenzie from TSN says the Flames are the most frustrating team to follow and they are the most inconsistent team in the league to watch. Kent Wilson from the FlamesNation also commented this team will go a on streak and win 3 or 4 but then they will get back into their funk and lose 4 or 5 and they just never get ahead.

The rest of this month is going to be a challenge for the Flames as their games do not get any easier along the way.

I do hope Jay Feaster will bring some balance to the management team and challenges Darryl in a positive way to ensure quality trades are make to help this team short term but also long term. I feel Darryl has sacrificed long term for short term and where has it got the Flames in the last six years since 200?

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#32 dotfras
November 14 2010, 05:10PM
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Would love to see Richards (either one) in a Flames jersey, don't see Philly trading their captain, and at this point, with Dallas having a small bit of success, I don't see them parting with Brad unless they got a pretty sweet offer ie. Good player with a small cap hit + picks.

I hope that Darryl has enough sense to deal White while he still has some value, clearly he isn't getting resigned, we might as well get something for him.

As much as I'd hate to see it because he anchors our D, but I can see Reggie on a train out of town, he could fit in nicely in Washington.

I like what Hagman adds to our team, not so much Stajan, so far we've had the better payof in the Phaneuf trade though as Dion has done next to nothing in Toronto and missed shots don't count for anything......Aulie got called up, interested in seeing how he will fare.

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#33 SmellOfVictory
November 14 2010, 05:10PM
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Luc wrote:

would you??

lol doubtful

plus hes expensive as hell.

i wish we could snag MIKE richards.

my kinda player.

It would probably require more than what I said, but at the same time if Richards isn't expected to re-sign with Dallas, he shouldn't be incredibly expensive to trade for (30 yrs old, high cap hit, no years left on contract). Dallas does need dmen, though, and that's one thing that Calgary has.

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#34 Nwr
November 14 2010, 05:17PM
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@Kenn

Nice post, couldn't agree more.

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#35 Luc
November 14 2010, 05:29PM
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@SmellOfVictory

if he actually does make it to free agency, who should we be trying to offload to free up space for him???

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#36 dotfras
November 14 2010, 06:15PM
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Staios, White, dump Jokenin or Stajan somehow. If we're keeping Reggie flip Sarich.

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#37 SmellOfVictory
November 14 2010, 09:29PM
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Sarich and Kotalik would be my thoughts. That'd be almost 7 million in salary gone, and with Staios' contract up this season the Flames would have about 9.5 million in cap space opening up (making no assumptions about White).

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#38 Luc
November 14 2010, 09:31PM
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plus lanks??

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#39 SmellOfVictory
November 14 2010, 11:12PM
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Yeah, I think the assumption is that he'll end up retiring this season.

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#40 icedawg_42
November 15 2010, 08:47AM
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I think the fact that AFTER watching Toronto go through their nightmare with long contracts and NTC's, Darryl Sutter has gotten the Flames into the Exact Same Mess! This shows me he doesn't have a handle on the "Cap era NHL" Our up and coming prospects are probably going to be capable second or third liners, but definitely no star power there. More of the same.

I hate to sound like a broken record, but this is a middle-of-the-pack roster, and expectations otherwise are just going to set you up for an 82 game roller-coaster ride - so you know what's coming. Look for the positives, and try to enjoy it!

Anyway - I haven't done the homework, but how many of those ugly contracts come off the books after this season? Do the Flames have any wiggle room coming up?

I have always been, and will always be a hardcore Flames fan, but I must admit that management's attitude of "the stands are full so keep the status-quo" is disconcerting.

anyway - I've shelled out my $300 for the Coyotes game, so hopefully the boyz can pull out a win, and put some pucks in the net. Go Flames!

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#41 icedawg_42
November 15 2010, 08:48AM
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BTW, does my shelling out for the Coyotes game make me part of the problem? ;)

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#42 B
November 15 2010, 08:53AM
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...I'm not sure what Feaster does behind the scenes, but from an outsider looking in, he seems like Darryl's Press Secretary.

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#43 B
November 15 2010, 09:01AM
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...by examining play alone, trading Hagman would be a mistake. He is consistently one of the hardest workers on the ice, with the added bonus that he has a nose around the net, a good shot, and good defensive sense.

...if you want to point the finger at the players, you have to start at the top of the roster in terms of salary: Iggy, Bouwmeester, Kipper, Regher, and Sarich.

...if you want to point the finger at the hockey operations, you have to start with King, Darryl, and Button. I wasn't sold on a wholesale cleaning of house after missing the playoffs last year, but I said if the Flames miss the playoffs twice in a row I'd be more open to it, and three times I'm all over it. Count me becoming more open by the day.

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#44 Jeff
November 15 2010, 09:22AM
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I'm one of those rare 'born and raised' Calgarians, and I have been a Flames fan since they came here and will continue to support them, so no "bandwagon" comments please.

Having that out of the way, I have to agree that this is the most frustrating team to watch. I don't know if the "system" is too complicated or what, but too many times it looks like these players have no idea what to do or where to go. When they are able to move the puck through the neutral zone and across the blue line they seem to freeze up...it's either curl and dump it to the middle or the point, or dump it behind the net. When was the last time the Flames scored on a rush? The lack of offensive creativity drives me crazy.

D Sutter has basically amassed a team of pluggers, which worked back before the lock-out, but doesn't work anymore. It only gets worse as there isn't a great crop of 'up and comers' in they system either. Sure there are some good players, but nothing in the way of a 'Savior' to be sure.

There was a Brent Sutter interview on SNet last week that could have been pulled from the middle of last season...We have some things to work on, we're getting there, it's a process...holy crap, how long does it take?

As far as trades...I'm fully on board with moving someone big. I know it's hard these days, but "the core" is simply not getting it done. If they are not getting the message from the coaches, then it's time to cut ties.

I'm rambling :)

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#45 B
November 15 2010, 09:28AM
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...how many coaches do the Flames need to go through before we realize it is not the coach that is the problem? Brent has been a winner at every level, including the NHL. I'm going to step out on a limb and say he is not the problem.

...if your in favor of moving someone big (like the list I made in my previous post based on highest salaries), who and for whom?

...may I make a suggestion. Iggy to the Bolts for Malone, Downie, and a high pick/prospect. I'd like to hear feedback and more possibilities, possibly an article by one of the writers that stimulates conversation.

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#46 R O
November 15 2010, 10:17AM
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...how many coaches do the Flames need to go through before we realize it is not the coach that is the problem? Brent has been a winner at every level, including the NHL. I'm going to step out on a limb and say he is not the problem.

Don't know if you know this but Sutter's vaunted system involves forcing the D into some crazy gap control scheme where they endlessly give up the zone. That probably worked for him in junior. Sure doesn't work at a level where players are better players than the coaches are coaches. (I.e. coaches only have negative impact at this level).

...may I make a suggestion

Prefer you didn't

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#47 icedawg_42
November 15 2010, 10:43AM
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R O wrote:

...how many coaches do the Flames need to go through before we realize it is not the coach that is the problem? Brent has been a winner at every level, including the NHL. I'm going to step out on a limb and say he is not the problem.

Don't know if you know this but Sutter's vaunted system involves forcing the D into some crazy gap control scheme where they endlessly give up the zone. That probably worked for him in junior. Sure doesn't work at a level where players are better players than the coaches are coaches. (I.e. coaches only have negative impact at this level).

...may I make a suggestion

Prefer you didn't

call it "stifling" or "suffocating"...or insert any other descriptor here about the coaching, but it seems to me Giordano hasnt been as creative lately.

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November 15 2010, 12:23PM
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...don't know if you know this, in his previous three seasons as an NHL head coach Brent has averaged 46 wins per year. That's called success. FYI: there's nothing crazy about a gap control scheme, every team uses it to a certain extent.

...with Iggy averaging only one goal every 10 games for nearly half a season we'd be lucky to get a package of the quality I suggested.

...Prefer if I didn't? Drop the self righteous wanna be know it all critique and engage in meaningful conversation. Your not intimidating anyone from your throne behind your computer screen big guy.

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#49 Nolan Moore
November 15 2010, 12:38PM
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The new CBA should go through the NTC/NMC and tweak them just like the NBA has them. Players can only get one if they meet certain criteria, such as age and tenure. The Leafs had the Muskoka 5 (Sundin, Kubina, McCabe, Tucker and Kaberle) and couldnt move any. They had to let Sundin walk, Kubina they finally got a late round draft choice after his stock fell, and then bought out the other 2 guys. The Flames have 11. When half your team you cant move you've got a problem. Its those players who should be able to be moved. I would cap the max number of players on one team to have a NTC to 2, either their star player and one other whos been there forever, or whatever. One of the reasons the Flames have played shoddy is that they can't move players in and out and this lies on the GM. He made the bed. Unfortunately dismissing a GM inthe middle of a season is extremely rare. Oh and yes Feaster is the AGM in charge of media relations, pretty much thats all. Would i hire him as GM if Sutter left, . . . no.

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...set team limits to NMC/NTC is a good idea. However, I think it would be hard to negotiate that into the next CBA. But with that being said (as we all know from the lockout), Bettman is a great union buster.

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