Postgame: A Positive Result

Pat Steinberg
November 19 2010 11:03PM

Calgary Flames David Moss (R) celebrates his goal with teammates Jay Bouwmeester (4) and Niklas Hagman during the first period of their NHL hockey game against the Chicago Blackhawks in Calgary, Alberta, November 19, 2010. REUTERS/Todd Korol (CANADA - Tags: SPORT ICE HOCKEY)

The Calgary Flames found the back of the net, and found the back of the net often on Friday night, taking a 7-2 win at home over the Chicago Blackhawks.  It was a strong game pretty much from start to finish for the home side, and thanks in part to a three goal night from Jarome Iginla, the Flames snapped a three game losing skid and did it against a pretty good opponent.

What Happened

CALGARY, CANADA - APRIL 6: Rene Bourque (C) of the Calgary Flames celebrates his goal with teammates Jarome Iginla #12 and Matt Stajan #18 against the San Jose Sharks in the third period of NHL action on April 6, 2010 at the Pengrowth Saddledome in Calgary, Alberta. (Photo by Mike Ridewood/Getty Images)
 

Well, it certainly didn't start well, as Jack Skille potted his third of the season just 6:12 into the first period...it was a softie past Miikka Kiprusoff and put the Blackhawks up 1-0 early on.  But Calgary responded and put two past Chicago's Marty Turco before the opening frame was up.  Niklas Hagman scored his 5th at 8:52 after the Hawks coughed up the puck three consecutive times in their own end; David Moss got his second on the powerplay at 12:28, doing a nice job in front of the net to put the Flames up by one after 20.

The second period belonged to the captain, as he scored twice in the middle frame, with the first coming at 10:01 on a nice rush into the offensive end.  After Calgary went up 3-1, it started to seem like maybe the Hawks would get themselves back in the game, as it was one of the only times on this night the Flames would play soft hockey.  But Calgary took advantage of a powerplay late in the second, and it was a key goal at a key time...Iginla's fifth of the season at 18:42 gave the Flames the breathing room they needed heading into the final frame.

The third period was largely a non factor, but the postive I take from it was pointed out to me by Kent...even though the Hawks were down, Calgary still managed to keep the chances even in that final frame.  What does that mean?  Well, it means that the Flames didn't really give the Hawks much at all.  Good stuff.  Overall, scoring chances were 21-17 in favor of Calgary, and 15-13 at even strength.  In that third, Brendan Morrison (fourth) and Curtis Glencross (sixth) each scored, while Iginla completed the hat trick at 18:10...his first trick since March of last season.  Troy Brouwer scored Chicago's goal, with 20 second remaining.

One Good Reason...

...why the Flames won?  Because they were better, start to finish.  Even when Chicago's big guns were on, they weren't dominating because the Flames did a nice job of keeping them to the outside.  Jonathan Toews has the ability to take games over, and he was never once given the chance.  I really liked how Calgary played physically against this Hawks team, and they made life difficult.  The Flames were better at even strength, they were better on the powerplay (two goals) and they were perfect on the two times they found themselves shorthanded.

Red Warrior

Calgary Flames' Niklas Hagman (front) fights for the puck with Columbus Blue Jackets' Marc Methot during the first period of their NHL hockey game in Columbus, Ohio, October 22, 2010.  REUTERS/Matt Sullivan  (UNITED STATES - Tags: SPORT ICE HOCKEY)
 

Iginla had the hat trick, but I really, really liked Niklas Hagman.  He was on a line with Rene Bourque and Niklas Hagman in this game, and that line saw a lot of time against the Toews/Kane unit.  Hagman scored once, and was screening in front on Iginla's second...plus, he did a strong job against a tough matchup.

Sum It Up

It's a big win for Calgary, and they needed it heading into a five game win streak with those games being played in seven days.  It's a mental block broken...snapping an eight game losing streak to the Hawks, and maybe...MAYBE...it gets them going on the right track heading into this trip.

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#1 Section 216
November 19 2010, 11:32PM
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Can't not help but feeling a little bit more positive after tonight, but still that 5 in 7 looms and I'd say 3 wins would more then suffice.

Also hopefully this is the beginning of the turn around of Jarome which most of us really thought started during the San Jose game. Tom Kostopolous was invisible but I guess that's means he didn't screw up haha.

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#2 dave
November 19 2010, 11:38PM
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It's pretty plain to see that Chicago really misses those tough, grittier players( Byffuglien, Burish, Eager, Ladd, etc.). It was something that Ray Ferraro said on the TSN braodcast. He said that the Hawks no longer have that two, three line attack, where they could throw lines 1-3 out and just watch them tear up the oppositions third liners and middle and bottom defence pairings. Plus, whats up with Duncan Keith and Patick Sharp? Their a combined -17 or something, and Keith's arguably the leagues best defenceman, and Sharp's one of the best all round forwards in the league. Marty Turco has gone from a really solid goalie to an absolute joke.

Anyways, good win for the Flames, interested to see how fare on this tough road trip.

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#3 skirby09
November 20 2010, 12:02AM
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Happy but very tempered optimism and hope the team continues to think about the future.

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#4 FireOnIce
November 20 2010, 12:38AM
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Jokinen-less game #1: a win.

2 more and it's time to trade him for more players in their 30s that we've already discarded. Or maybe send him up the road for Khabibulin and Aaron Johnson.

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#5 BCFLAME
November 20 2010, 12:44AM
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Great effort that hopefully re-energizes the team heading into a tough road trip. I also agree with Steinberg that Hagman was great tonight, but let's not overlook the performance of Gio. I thought he played a very, very solid game. Babchuk looked lost at times out there, but that was expected given his profile and the fact that it was his first game in a new jersey. Mickelsson had some bad turnovers. However, the most fortuitous circumstance of the night was Iggy's hat trick. Hopefully this reinvigorates our beloved veteran, thus giving the Flames a chance to make the playoffs. I still don't think it will happen, but Iggy's at least given us some hope . Go flames Go!!!!!

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#6 coptin_
November 20 2010, 01:23AM
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great to get a win against chicago,the flames looed better than they have in quite some time.but i think you have to agree that chicago was off their game tonite.turco and kieth esp.all in all a solid effort and they didn't give up after 20 mins.good night for iggy,nice to hear people cheer him,esp after all the negative stuff.i know he is not as good as a couple years ago,but he can't do it all either.hopefuly they can keep it up on the road.

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#7 everton fc
November 20 2010, 05:14AM
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Iggy was on the cusp of giddy in the postgame w/Kerr. Sounded like a kid who just had a lot of fun.

Exactly how we need him to be.

I think this road trip could be a turning point. Cliche, perhaps. But i just get that feeling.

If we go on a little run, win 5 of 7, we are on track. If we fall back into our recent rut... I don't think we'll see a "middle-of-the-road" result. Who knows - we may see another player moved out east...

By the way, David Moss is a winner.

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#8 R O
November 20 2010, 08:34AM
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We were as good or better against Phoenix so this is just an example of how a little puck luck will skew the perceptions of people who don't know how to watch hockey beyond checking the boxscores.

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#9 Kenn
November 20 2010, 09:33AM
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NICE......what a solid game at both ends. Couple soft goals by Kipper or he could have had another shutout but overall this is what I think many of us thought this team would bring from the start. Marty Turco was not very sharp in net which helped us on the score sheet but if we had won by one or two goals, the way the Flames played tonight is what we need to see more often. What is tough they have there work cut out for them because of these early struggles this season but if they get hot play like this on the road. If anything they will be good games and the Flames should have a chance to take 3 out of the 5 on the road. The Pens and Flyers are going to be tough.

The next thought is when do you give HK his next start and if HK does struggle again poor Kipper will not see the end of the bench for A LONG time!! I am still a fan of HK and I do hope he gets a start on this upcoming road trip but it will be hard for Brent to put him in when every game and win is going to mean so much to this team again. Same scenario as in past years and little confidence in the backup, Poor Kipper is only 34 but he is going to look 54 by the time the Flames are done with him. Hard to believe Kipper arrived here 7 years ago this week and how many go has he got FIRED!!!! LOL :--)

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#10 Smitty
November 20 2010, 09:59AM
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"Iginla had the hat trick, but I really, really liked Niklas Hagman. He was on a line with Rene Bourque and Niklas Hagman in this game"

2 Niklas Hagmans? THAT would be an awesome line!

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#11 B
November 20 2010, 10:01AM
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...did Babchuk play? If so how was his performance?

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#12 Section 216
November 20 2010, 10:35AM
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@B

As billed. Great puck movement, Rocket shot and soft as butter.

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#13 SylvanLaker
November 20 2010, 10:41AM
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Plan the parade!

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#14 schevvy
November 20 2010, 10:48AM
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No Jokinen = Hat trick from Iginla, is that a coincidence?

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#15 Kent Wilson
November 20 2010, 11:19AM
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So, I know it's one game but...

Mikael Backlund played between Bourque and Hagman. The trio spent about half their evening against Hossa and Sharp and came out on the positive side of things. Also: David Moss looked just fine at centering the third line and on the PP.

All of which confirms my suspicion that Jokinen is useless.

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#16 one (cold) canadian
November 20 2010, 11:47AM
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So is Sutter still shopping Iggy???

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#17 Kent Wilson
November 20 2010, 11:48AM
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one (cold) canadian wrote:

So is Sutter still shopping Iggy???

As far as we know, he was never shopping him.

That said, really tough road trip coming up. We'll see where the team's at then.

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#18 SmellOfVictory
November 20 2010, 11:51AM
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Makes hockey so much more enjoyable to watch when the players look like they're having fun as well. It done been a long time since I've seen the Iggy kidsmile last in a game like this one.

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#19 one (cold) canadian
November 20 2010, 11:52AM
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Really? That's what I've been hearing on snw and tsn.

Something about new jersey..

Didn't catch it all.

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#20 R O
November 20 2010, 11:53AM
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I'm pretty sure we should never listen to Sutter on these matters since we know he never shopped Phaneuf around either...

That said, if he was hesitant to pull the trigger on the rumored LA deal because of the lack of good NHL players coming back then I say we all owe him a beer because as much as it might be worth it to gamble on Schenn it still doesn't fix the fact that the season is on the line and subtracting real NHL players is a concept that only maroons, Oilers fans and Oilers management think leads to success.

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#21 Smitty
November 20 2010, 11:58AM
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SmellOfVictory wrote:

Makes hockey so much more enjoyable to watch when the players look like they're having fun as well. It done been a long time since I've seen the Iggy kidsmile last in a game like this one.

Good call. I miss that smile. That's the Iggy we know and love. I seriously think the last time I saw it was the gold medal game.

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#22 R O
November 20 2010, 11:59AM
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All of which confirms my suspicion that Jokinen is useless.

Word.

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#23 one (cold) canadian
November 20 2010, 12:00PM
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Fair comment about the oilers R.O

There famous for that up here.

Just wondered if you fellas could confirm what I had heard..

Hâte to say it though,still don't think your team has a prayer getting into the post season.

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#24 Kent Wilson
November 20 2010, 12:03PM
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R O wrote:

I'm pretty sure we should never listen to Sutter on these matters since we know he never shopped Phaneuf around either...

That said, if he was hesitant to pull the trigger on the rumored LA deal because of the lack of good NHL players coming back then I say we all owe him a beer because as much as it might be worth it to gamble on Schenn it still doesn't fix the fact that the season is on the line and subtracting real NHL players is a concept that only maroons, Oilers fans and Oilers management think leads to success.

On Iginla for Schenn - it's one thing to deal a depreciating asset with 2 years on his deal @ $7M for a probable appreciating asset with 5-7 years on a deal, at least three of which he'll probably be underpaid. It's quite another to tank a season, trade or cut a bunch of veterans, not replace them, and then promote a bunch of kids and hope for the best.

Frankly, I like the math in the hypothetical Iggy/Schenn swap, even if there's a ladle of risk on the Flames end given the fact that Schenn hasn't proven anything at the NHL level yet. As I've also mentioned before, I don't think losing Jarome this year would necessarily be a fatal death blow to the Flames aspirations this season either.

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#25 Kent Wilson
November 20 2010, 12:04PM
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one (cold) canadian wrote:

Fair comment about the oilers R.O

There famous for that up here.

Just wondered if you fellas could confirm what I had heard..

Hâte to say it though,still don't think your team has a prayer getting into the post season.

Everything regarding Iginla right now is rumor. We probably won't know anything for sure until he's actually dealt, should that eventually happen.

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#26 dickshilling
November 20 2010, 12:23PM
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Watched the "sights and sounds" or whatever from the Flames FB fan page. Most striking part of the video was right..about..here! http://tinyurl.com/2cyeu2x

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#27 R O
November 20 2010, 12:28PM
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probable appreciating asset

The probability is the thing. Can we say with more than 50% certainty? You've done the draft math, odds are decent inside the top 10 for getting an NHLer but they're not sure-fire til the top 5 correct?

And that's just not good enough for me, because a coin-flip chance for a good player, but not until two years or longer from now + nothing now is not acceptable for a player with a rep that is still far outpacing his recent abilities.

Give me that coin flip and a good player (from the Handzus/Smyth mold) and then we're cooking with gas.

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#28 RossCreekNation
November 20 2010, 01:21PM
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@R O

Ya, Corey Millen sure made the original Iginla trade worth it.

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#29 R O
November 20 2010, 01:40PM
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Don't really care for bancdwagon fans who can't or don't remember how bad this team was with Iginla in his prime.

Also, I doubt you are Oilers management.

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#30 Rain Dogs
November 20 2010, 03:09PM
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@R O

All of which confirms my suspicion that Jokinen is useless. Word.

Kent and RO, you two are seriously slipping.

Maybe we should sit Joker the rest of the season so we can go 64-0 and Iginla can score 195 goals.

You both know that if anyone else around here tried to further support already dubious conclusions about a player you both "like" based on ONE single game, you would both rip their heads off.

Especially after saying "blah blah blah, people who don't know how to watch hockey beyond checking the boxscores."

Man, those people, those ignorant people who don't do rigorous advanced stat analysis.

I came by to share in the recent and likely brief joy of victory, but all I read going through comments is a healthy dose of reading people belittle others (bandwagoners it seems) for lack of analysis/intelligence. We may win one every 10 games, but some things don't change.

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#31 Luc
November 20 2010, 05:47PM
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@Rain Dogs

lawrence.......

that was awesome!

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#32 RossCreekNation
November 20 2010, 06:10PM
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Oh no! The almighty RO is calling me a maroon it would seem.

At NO point have I suggested we suck for years on end. At NO point have I suggested we couldn't sign UFA's to reasonable contracts to help support the rebuild... It seems there's some quality still searching for jobs late every August every year. And quality contracts to boot. If you want to point out that the Oilers suck because they have kids playing, keep in mind that they had every opportunity to bring in solid vets that could help them win now. Vernon Fiddler was available to them last summer. Countless others, too.

Adding a UFA to be like Justin Williams, or a Michal Handzus or an overpaid, worn-out-to-the-bone Ryan Smyth for any reason other than taking some $ back is retarded. If you're gonna trade Iggy, why on Earth would you bring back an older, poorer player on purpose. I'm fine if LA says you take his $ to make the deal, but I'm not gonna ask for them. You would rather take Ryan Smyth than Wayne Simmonds? I'm not sure you could find another person with that take.

You know why the Oil suck? Because they didn't see the valley ahead... just the peak they wqere on at the time (because of Pronger more than anything). You realize Detroit was once a brutal team too, right? And they got their franchise player with a top 5 pick. THEN they were able to sustain it by good drafting, management & coaching. Once Iggy's gone, what do we have? We have nothing to sustain. Be a mediocre team (at best) for a couple more seasons and then suck because we never saw it coming. OR reload & retool now by moving Iggy, Regehr for youth. I never said I want them to suck for years... just this year. Top 5 pick, a Brayden Schenn-like player (top 10 prospect) and a young, physical 3rd line winger that eventually can play 2nd line minutes AT LEAST (Simmonds).

Give yer head a shake, smartie pants.

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#33 R O
November 20 2010, 07:05PM
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Oh Lawrence. I like you but you are way too in love with #13.

Maybe we should sit Joker the rest of the season so we can go 64-0 and Iginla can score 195 goals.

You know, during the back and forth at the 08/09 deadline, before Olli even played a damn game for Calgary, we predicted that he would be a bag of suck based on his long and less than illustrious history.

And of course the year and a half plus that has transpired has turned out pretty well exactly as we had thought. He has sucked.

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#34 R O
November 20 2010, 07:07PM
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Man, those people, those ignorant people who don't do rigorous advanced stat analysis.

Who ever said anything about rigor and advancement?

We're talking about seeing what happens on the ice and maybe using a few simple numbers like shots and scoring chances that help us see reality a little more clearly.

Jaysus. It's been years since pocket protectors were in style.

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#35 R O
November 20 2010, 07:24PM
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You advocated trading David Moss for low picks which is along with the rebuild talk is a pretty good indicator that you don't have much in the way of applicable knowledge regarding evaluating hockey players nor building winning hockey teams.

So every idea of "rebuild" that comes from you is essentially a straight and narrow path that leads to endless suckage.

Also, to dissuade you of some misconceptions: 1.) Yzerman was never the best player on any of Detroit's Cup winners. 2.) Handzus, Williams and Smyth play some pretty important minutes for LA, minutes that need to be played by good players for a team to win. 3.) There is no sure thing prospect until you get, say, to the top 1. Maybe top 3 if you want to be really generous. It's kind of hard to play in this league! 4.) The way to build "sustain" good teams is to add good players, not subtract them.

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#36 RossCreekNation
November 20 2010, 07:42PM
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Just keep throwing the Moss stuff back in my face all you want. Your mind is made up - I'm an idiot. My mind is made up - you're a condescending prick. I've already went back on my Moss talk. My advocation of dealing Moss was not because I thought he was terrible. It was because a) I wrongly expected more offense from him last year, b) we seemingly had an excess of 3rd liners & a lack of draft picks, and c) I figured of all the excess 3rd liners, Moss might bring the most return. In any case, I've already said that Kent's piece on Moss from September put things in better perspective... something your constant "you're dumber than me" approach fails to do.

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#37 RossCreekNation
November 20 2010, 08:31PM
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And for the record Richard, I know the players in LA you mention are quality players that can play quality minutes. My point - why trade Iggy if we're just acquiring other veteran's with poorer resumes. Obviously an Iggy trade would mean they're acknowledging that they can't win with this group. Moving him and getting Handzus, Smyth or Williams (UFA to be) instead of a younger poor-man's Iggy isn't gonna help. Bottom out this year, get a top 5 pick, and given the extra cap space, fill holes with quality UFA's in the summer.

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#38 R O
November 20 2010, 10:58PM
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Moving him and getting Handzus, Smyth or Williams (UFA to be) instead of a younger poor-man's Iggy isn't gonna help

Instead? Who said instead? We were talking Handzus/Smyth/Williams + Schenn for Iggy instead of that awful Schenn + first + Hickey deal. First + Hickey is nearly worthless.

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#39 RossCreekNation
November 20 2010, 11:48PM
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I coulda swore you said you'd rather have Smyth/Handzus/Williams + Schenn than Simmonds + Schenn, no? I'm not high on Hickey myself. Schenn, Hickey & a 1st (in the 20's) could very well just be Schenn. I don't care for that deal. But I wouldn't really mind if it were some variation of Schenn, Matt Greene & a 1st or Schenn, Jarret Stoll & Colten Teubert.

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#40 B
November 21 2010, 11:24AM
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So every idea of "rebuild" that comes from you is essentially a straight and narrow path that leads to endless suckage. -RO

..agreed.

Just keep throwing the Moss stuff back in my face all you want. Your mind is made up - I'm an idiot. My mind is made up - you're a condescending prick. -RossCreek

...gotta love RO hey RossCreek? LOL.

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