Flames Scoring Chances - Game 12 versus Detroit

Kent Wilson
November 03 2010 10:19PM

Scoring Chances for NHL Game Number 20170

Team Period Time Note CGY Opponent  
DET 1 19:06   4 10 11 25 28 34 23 35 44 51 55 93 5v5
CGY 1 18:17   3 4 12 18 34 40 5 17 35 43 55   5v4
DET 1 17:50   5 8 12 18 34 40 11 13 24 35 52   5v4
CGY 1 15:26   4 11 17 25 28 34 23 35 44 51 55 93 5v5
CGY 1 14:49   3 4 12 18 34 40 5 17 23 35 43   5v4
DET 1 13:54   3 4 12 18 34 40 17 24 35 43 55   5v4
DET 1 12:58   5 11 13 17 28 34 5 13 23 35 40   5v4
CGY 1 4:03 Gio goal 5 12 17 34 40   13 23 35 55     4v3
DET 1 2:55   4 8 18 28 34   11 23 35 40 55   4v4
DET 1 0:32   4 15 20 24 28 34 5 13 35 40 52 96 5v5
DET 2 18:07 Modano goal 6 12 18 29 34 40 8 11 23 24 35 90 5v5
DET 2 16:13   4 8 10 13 28 34 5 13 35 40 52 96 5v5
CGY 2 13:53   4 15 20 24 28 34 4 8 11 35 55 90 5v5
CGY 2 12:11   4 12 18 28 34 40 5 13 35 40 52 96 5v5
CGY 2 9:51   3 6 15 20 24 34 4 17 20 24 35 43 5v5
CGY 2 9:30   3 5 8 11 25 34 23 35 44 51 55 93 5v5
DET 2 7:56 Abdelkader goal 4 13 17 28 34 40 5 8 13 35 52 96 5v5
CGY 2 1:50   4 10 13 17 28 34 13 23 35 40 55 96 5v5
CGY 3 19:10   4 5 13 34 40   11 35 40 52 55   4v4
DET 3 15:15   4 10 13 25 28 34 5 13 35 40 52 96 5v5
DET 3 15:14   4 10 13 25 28 34 5 13 35 40 52 96 5v5
CGY 3 14:54   3 5 10 13 25 34 5 13 35 40 52 96 5v5
DET 3 13:17   6 8 15 18 29 34 4 8 11 24 35 90 5v5
DET 3 10:28   6 8 15 18 29 34 4 8 11 24 35 90 5v5
DET 3 10:22   6 8 15 18 29 34 4 8 11 24 35 90 5v5
DET 3 10:21   6 8 15 18 29 34 4 8 11 24 35 90 5v5
CGY 3 6:56   3 4 12 18 34 40 5 17 23 35 43   5v4
CGY 3 6:45   3 4 12 18 34 40 5 13 23 35 43   5v4
CGY 3 4:27   3 4 12 18 34 40 11 20 35 52 55   5v4
DET 3 1:01   3 5 8 12 34 40 5 17 20 23 35 43 5v5

 

# Player EV PP SH
3 I. WHITE 17:37 3 1 4:44 5 1 0:44 0 0
4 J. BOUWMEESTER 15:00 5 7 4:05 5 1 6:14 0 0
5 M. GIORDANO 17:17 3 1 4:45 1 2 2:40 0 0
6 C. SARICH 10:21 1 5 0:04 0 0 2:49 0 0
8 B. MORRISON 9:43 1 7 3:52 0 1 2:13 0 0
10 N. HAGMAN 11:36 2 4 0:50 0 0 0:00 0 0
11 M. BACKLUND 9:12 2 1 2:52 0 1 4:23 0 0
12 J. IGINLA 9:24 1 2 5:46 6 2 0:10 0 0
13 O. JOKINEN 15:00 3 4 3:50 0 1 0:00 0 0
15 T. JACKMAN 8:50 2 5 0:04 0 0 0:38 0 0
17 R. BOURQUE 13:04 2 1 4:16 1 1 1:04 0 0
18 M. STAJAN 7:41 1 6 4:12 5 2 0:00 0 0
20 C. GLENCROSS 10:48 2 1 0:04 0 0 2:38 0 0
24 C. CONROY 9:03 2 1 0:06 0 0 2:05 0 0
25 D. MOSS 9:31 3 3 0:00 0 0 2:02 0 0
28 R. REGEHR 14:39 4 7 0:08 0 1 5:33 0 0
29 B. MIKKELSON 9:02 0 5 0:04 0 0 0:00 0 0
34 M. KIPRUSOFF 41:42 8 13 9:14 6 3 8:18 0 0
40 A. TANGUAY 8:01 2 3 5:40 6 2 3:29 0 0

 

Period Totals EV PP 5v3 PP SH 5v3 SH
1 4 6 1 3 3 3 0 0 0 0 0 0
2 5 3 5 3 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
3 5 7 2 7 3 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
4 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
Totals 14 16 8 13 6 3 0 0 0 0 0 0

Head to head Ice.

Not much to say about this one. Brent Sutter shuffled and re-shuffled his lines before and during this contest, to no avail. The Flames and Red Wings were close in terms of chances through two, but certainly not in possession, with DET holding the distinct upper hand. That continued into the third (despite the Flames trailing) and they would have run away with the chance count as well had Salei not high-sticked Hagman, granting CGY a 4 minute PP.

Jarome only played 9 minutes or so at ES this evening, and was basically skating on the 4th line by the end of the night.

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#1 Brent G.
November 03 2010, 11:15PM
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I've been an advocate of trading Iginla for a while if you recall. That being said I do still think how he is being treated is pretty unreasonable and very disrespectful.

Has Iggy been good this year? NO! Has the Calgary Flames been good this season? Not overly for the most part. Given that, why does it always come back to Iggy. Why is he the one everyone insists on focusing on and dragging his name through the mud? I watched most of the game tonight and yet it will always be put on Iginla's shoulders despite the fact everyone looked very slow and sh*tty out there.

I've been reading posts from people on this site claiming he was never all that special of a player to begin with which is insulting and wrong about the man who carried this team through the bleak times; we may still have a team in this city solely because of that man.

Fact of the matter is Iggy should be traded, not because I think he's a terrible player, a lazy dick, hard to coach, or any other crap that all of these ignorant people are trying to come up with. He needs a trade for himself and because he is an aging asset on a team that is going no where. Everyone expects a 33 year old power forward to carry this entire team on his back for another season with nothing but 2nd and 3rd liners at his side (at best). The defense is playing like crap and the only one hitting it out of the park (for the most part) is Kipper. But hey why not all follow suit with some of the posts of other souls on here who think hes a horrendous person who kicks puppies and spits on FAS victims, and the worst thing to happen to the Flames since they traded up to take Kidd over Brodeur.

Does he get a free pass from me? No but I do think its disgusting how everyone is all over this man is EVERYWHERE! His ice time should be cut but by that extent is just plain demoralizing. Imagine if we made him a healthy scratch for a couple of games like someone suggested. Nothing will increase your assets value better than announcing to the hockey world theres trouble with iggy. If Wolski was traded tomorrow what would he really net in a return? A second rounder perhaps?

Fact of the matter is Calgary isn't going to win the cup. Iggy is 33 years old and will produce likely at the same rate as Lanny MacDonald did at the same age on a much better team. Perhaps it is time to bring your expectations to reality that this is not a playoff team and it was stupid to think it ever was. Maybe it is time to write responses to the articles about how Sutter created a really sh*tty team instead of putting it all on one player who didnt construct a slow old team with a defense first mentality yet ironically cant play defense. Jaybo makes pretty much the same money and has been just as bad (worse in my opinion); wheres the slagging of him? I love Bourque but has he really been all that good this year? The underlying stats would show you otherwise. What about Tanguay finding every excuse to not shoot the puck no matter the chance? Don't get me started on Ian White.

For the record this comment isnt directed at you Kent, your usually the first one to point out he is what he is which is an aging asset. Its the classic ignorant Calgary fan; the same average fan in this city who made the comment to me today that Bertuzzi still played on the first line for the Flames...

Iginla deserves better than Calgary and that is why he should be traded.

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#2 CitizenFlame
November 04 2010, 02:42AM
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Did the SH column get missed? Calgary gave up more chances on the PP than SH? I find that hard to believe.

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#5 PrairieStew
November 04 2010, 09:00AM
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@Brent G.

"Iggy is 33 years old and will produce likely at the same rate as Lanny MacDonald did at the same age on a much better team"

Iggy will produce at least twice the rate Lanny did. Lanny had 14 goals in his 33 year old season, in an era when offense was 30-40% higher.

I don't think the coaching staff are treating him unreasonably - they reduced his ice time last night, trying to put him in a situation to succeed. They also need to find out if RBQ can become the go to guy offensively. I agree with you that it is increasingly unfair to ask a 33 year old player to be the best player and carry this team. While moving him may seem like a solution I just can't see a team committing the $20 million of their salary cap over the next 3 seasons, for a guy who is no longer a top 30 talent.

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#6 Brent G.
November 04 2010, 09:06AM
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PrairieStew wrote:

"Iggy is 33 years old and will produce likely at the same rate as Lanny MacDonald did at the same age on a much better team"

Iggy will produce at least twice the rate Lanny did. Lanny had 14 goals in his 33 year old season, in an era when offense was 30-40% higher.

I don't think the coaching staff are treating him unreasonably - they reduced his ice time last night, trying to put him in a situation to succeed. They also need to find out if RBQ can become the go to guy offensively. I agree with you that it is increasingly unfair to ask a 33 year old player to be the best player and carry this team. While moving him may seem like a solution I just can't see a team committing the $20 million of their salary cap over the next 3 seasons, for a guy who is no longer a top 30 talent.

I 100% disagree. It is just rumors but teams out there that are close and really want a cup would definitely give up some of their excess prospects/draft picks to go into a win now mentality. Im thinking LA, or Boston (although I'm not sure he's what Boston needs). He would put LA over the top and they have excess prospects. There window is going to close very soon having to re-sign Simmonds, Doughty and Johnson after this year and they would be stupid to not do that trade. Rumors are just rumors but I have heard they have inquired about him because they feel they are 1 good player and leader away from taking it home; frankly I agree.

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#7 Rain Dogs
November 04 2010, 09:11AM
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Whoa, Brent. I hear you, but I don't think I've read either here or on M&G that anyone has been saying that Iginla has never been a special player.

I'm as tough on Iggy as anyone, or at least I think so, and I'll not be convinced by anyone but Iginla, that he hasn't looked lazy or careless numerous times this season.

He's the captain, so he takes the heat. Unfairly? Maybe. Captains almost get as much unfair treatment as goalies (in general) cause both players can be isolated. Captains certainly get less praise.

I don't think Kipper has been THAT great this season either, but I temper that knowing that he is very subject to what his teammates are doing in front of him. Sarich I luv ya man, but you're my example today...sorry.

Iggy is one of those guys in front of Kipper, but he is also the leader of those guys on the ice, and one of an army of Sutters, Banks and players off the ice.

Plays like the one that lead to the second goal will get no sympathy from me. A simple casual play like that led directly to the GWG. Tanguay changed too...but Iggy is the leader.

It's a tough time for the team right now, and a tough time for Iginla personally. He deserves all the respect in the world, but he doesn't deserve a free ride on sloppy plays like a casual change in the neutral zone which Detroit breaks down from 3on2, to 2on1, to goal before Bourque can even get his stride on.

EDIT: We've also got to stop thinking that 33 is old. Elite players can still be dominant WELL into their 30's. It appears 36 has been a 'threshold year'

When Gretzky was 34 he scored 38g and 130pts a year after major injury.

Yzerman still scored at a PPG pace until he was 35/36.

Lemieux scored 161pts when he was 33 in 70 games. 121 next year and 76pts in 43g when he was 35.

Messier (who Iggy is frequently compared to) was very productive until he was 36...well over a PPG, and lead the Rangers to the cup, when he was....33.

Sure, they are/may be on another level than Iggy, but they were also leaders/captains who prepared well, understood their role, and adapted their game. Is Iginla adjusting his game? I dunno, but I don't see an inspired effort to do it. He just looks soooo unhappy with everything right now.

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#8 Brent G.
November 04 2010, 09:41AM
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@Rain Dogs

http://flamesnation.ca/2010/11/2/flames-october-review-roundtable#comments

Check out "The Wolf's" comment (#12). Explain to me how that is not just destroying the mans character and needlessly dragging his good name through the mud.

I completely agree with you though, he looks so defeated and unhappy. He looks like a man who is broken by management, the media, coaching or something else.

That is why I think he needs a trade more than anything else.

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#9 PrairieStew
November 04 2010, 04:23PM
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@Brent G.

If this was the last year of Iginla's contract I can see LA doing a trade, but they have to resign those 3 guys next year and it's going to cost them about $10m more. Hanzdus, Williams, and Ponikarovsky all UFA's and you have about 8 to replace them - if you use $7 up on Iginla - you've really tied your hands.

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#10 PrairieStew
November 04 2010, 04:49PM
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@Rain Dogs

At 33 Iggy is very good, but not dominant.

You have of course referenced 4 of the top 6 or 7 players of all time in your thesis that 33 can still be productive, whilst comparing to a player who may not make the Hall of Fame, let alone be considered among the elite of all time.

At 33 Messier had a 23 year old Zubov (89 points!!), and 25 year olds Leetch and Graves (52 goals) and pesky Esa Tikkanen at 28 helping him win the Cup.

Lemiuex was 30/31 when he got that 161 points, then 121, then 3 years off, that 76 pts in 43 gmes campaign at 35/36 was awesome

Gretzky's last 100 point year you reference was 130, he turned 33 during the season, whereas Iggy's birthday is 6 months earlier/later. After 33 Gretz averaged a point per game, which was about half his career average.

Fmom 1998 (his 33rd bday) to 2006 Yzerman played 416 games( less than 60 average per year) and scored 346 pts, 0.83 ppg, a 35% fall off from the rest of his career at 1.28ppg. I have said it before, guys like Shanahan, Brett Hull, Pat Verbeek have very close comparables to Iggy AND relative to those guys Jarome is better than them since turning 30 - AND 30 -35 goals is an excellent number for that age group. To expect more is to be unrealistic. To think that someone would trade considerable assets and commit to that kind of salary is also not realistic, unless Mike Milbury suddenly gets a GM job.

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