Flames Postgame (And Scoring Chances) - Game 13 versus Minnesota

Kent Wilson
November 05 2010 08:56PM

ST PAUL, MN - OCTOBER 16: Martin Havlat  of the Minnesota Wild skates against the Columbus Blue Jackets at Xcel Energy Center on October 16, 2010 in St Paul, Minnesota. The Blue Jackets defeated the Wild 3-2. (Photo by Jeff Gross/Getty Images)

 

There's some losses this year the Flames maybe could have won with the right bounces. There were others they definitely deserved to lose. This was the first defeat, however, where the Flames most certainly deserved a better fate.

Scoring chances and analysis after the jump.

 

Scoring Chances for NHL Game Number 20183

Team Period Time Note CGY Opponent  
MIN 1 19:18   4 6 10 13 17 34 3 5 7 21 24 32 5v5
CGY 1 18:34   3 12 18 28 34 40 9 21 24 25 32 41 5v5
CGY 1 17:12   4 6 8 11 25 34 3 5 9 15 22 32 5v5
MIN 1 16:42   4 6 8 11 25 34 3 5 9 15 22 32 5v5
CGY 1 15:20   5 12 18 27 34 40 7 8 21 24 32 55 5v5
MIN 1 12:33   5 8 11 25 27 34 8 11 17 23 32 55 5v5
CGY 1 10:37   5 15 24 27 34 44 16 25 27 28 32 41 5v5
CGY 1 9:16 Bourque goal 5 8 10 13 17 34 3 5 9 22 32   5v4
MIN 1 8:11   3 4 12 18 34 40 7 8 21 24 32 55 5v5
MIN 1 5:29   4 6 10 13 17 34 3 7 21 24 32 55 5v5
MIN 1 4:31 Clutterbuck goal 3 12 18 28 34 40 9 15 22 25 32 41 5v5
CGY 1 3:11   4 6 15 24 34 44 21 25 27 28 32 41 5v5
CGY 1 0:45   3 4 12 18 34 40 7 8 9 32 55   5v4
CGY 2 19:30   5 8 11 25 27 34 3 5 11 17 23 32 5v5
MIN 2 12:13   5 11 28 34 40   7 8 9 15 24 32 4v5
CGY 2 11:48   5 11 28 34 40   7 8 9 15 24 32 4v5
CGY 2 9:46   5 12 18 27 34 40 3 5 7 11 22 32 5v5
MIN 2 7:39   3 15 24 28 34 44 8 9 15 17 32 55 5v5
CGY 2 5:58   3 4 12 18 34 40 7 8 9 32 55   5v4
CGY 2 5:06   5 8 10 13 17 34 3 5 11 22 32   5v4
MIN 2 1:37   4 8 24 28 34   3 7 9 17 22 32 4v5
CGY 3 16:16   3 8 11 25 28 34 11 17 23 25 32 41 5v5
MIN 3 15:41 Havlat goal 5 10 13 17 27 34 7 8 21 24 32 55 5v5
CGY 3 15:26   5 12 18 27 34 40 8 9 15 22 32 55 5v5
CGY 3 13:01   3 4 12 18 34 40 8 9 23 32 55   5v4
CGY 3 11:00   3 8 11 25 28 34 3 5 9 15 22 32 5v5
CGY 3 8:47   3 10 13 17 28 34 7 8 21 24 32 55 5v5
CGY 3 4:34   5 8 11 25 27 34 8 11 17 23 32 55 5v5
CGY 3 3:20   4 6 12 13 34 40 7 8 9 24 32 41 5v5
CGY 3 2:13   4 5 8 11 25 34 5 11 17 23 25 32 5v5
MIN 3 1:55   4 5 8 11 25 34 5 11 17 23 25 32 5v5

 

# Player EV PP SH
3 I. WHITE 16:16 4 3 3:02 3 0 0:27 0 0
4 J. BOUWMEESTER 15:42 4 5 3:08 3 0 2:53 0 1
5 M. GIORDANO 16:22 7 3 4:50 2 0 2:42 1 1
6 C. SARICH 15:38 3 3 0:00 0 0 1:54 0 0
8 B. MORRISON 13:13 6 3 3:46 2 0 1:40 0 1
10 N. HAGMAN 11:31 1 3 4:28 2 0 0:00 0 0
11 M. BACKLUND 12:04 6 3 0:00 0 0 2:46 1 1
12 J. IGINLA 15:35 5 2 2:56 3 0 1:17 0 0
13 O. JOKINEN 12:48 2 3 4:38 2 0 0:06 0 0
15 T. JACKMAN 8:38 2 1 0:21 0 0 0:00 0 0
17 R. BOURQUE 11:37 1 3 4:28 2 0 1:05 0 0
18 M. STAJAN 12:49 4 2 2:25 3 0 0:00 0 0
24 C. CONROY 9:17 2 1 0:00 0 0 1:22 0 1
25 D. MOSS 11:33 6 3 0:00 0 0 1:23 0 0
27 S. STAIOS 14:25 6 2 0:00 0 0 0:35 0 0
28 R. REGEHR 16:21 4 2 0:02 0 0 2:03 1 2
34 M. KIPRUSOFF 47:18 14 9 7:24 5 0 4:15 1 2
40 A. TANGUAY 13:46 5 2 2:56 3 0 1:28 1 1
44 S. MEYER 9:01 2 1 0:00 0 0 0:29 0 0

 

Period Totals EV PP 5v3 PP SH 5v3 SH
1 7 6 5 6 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
2 5 3 2 1 2 0 0 0 1 2 0 0
3 8 2 7 2 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
4 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
Totals 20 11 14 9 5 0 0 0 1 2 0 0

Head to head ice

What Happened

It was a relatively close contest after the first period in almost all facets of the game: score, possession and chances. Rene Bourque scored with a rocket on the PP, while Cal Clutterbuck evened things up after a nifty pass by Andrew Brunette. The second period was rather sedate (as some periods can be when playing Minnesota) with the Flames edging the Wild in chances at 5-3 overall and 2-1 at ES.

The clubs exchanged chances in the third with noted Flames killer Martin Havlat burying the game winner inside the first five minutes. Minnesota sat back after that and it was all Flames for a majority of the final frame. Unfortunately they couldn't find the back of the net despite some quality chances. A suspicious goaltender interference call to Alex Tanguay in the final minute killed the comeback.

Calgary's bottom-end did an excellent job of driving chances and possession at ES this evening. David Moss and Mikael Backlund were particularly good, combining for 9 of the Flames 34 shots. The fourth line also dominated their counterparts, who were, to be fair, a rookie, a goon and a fringe NHLer. The first line also outchanced the bad guys and would have scored if not for some good goaltending by Backstrom and some bad luck (Tanguay's post hit, for example). Jokinen et al split the night between Havlat and Koivu and, predictably, were underwater chance wise.

One Good Reason...

The Flames lost because they didn't press the play enough at ES until they were behind. Through two periods both clubs had seven scoring chances at 5-on-5. That's not good enough against a Wild team that is suspect at ES even when it's healthy. The fact that they had guys like Cal Clutterbuck and Kyle Brodziak in their top six should have led to more dominance by Calgary when things were even. Calgary certainly pressed the attack in the final half of the third period, but by then it was a little too late.

Red Warrior

GLENDALE, AZ - DECEMBER 03:  David Moss #25 of the Calgary Flames during the NHL game against the Phoenix Coyotes at Jobing.com Arena on December 3, 2009 in Glendale, Arizona.  The Coyotes defeated the Flames 2-1.  (Photo by Christian Petersen/Getty Images)
 

 

I'll go with David Moss this evening. He managed 4 shots on net and did everything well that makes me appreciate him as a player. The third line was at times the Flames best and he certainly had a hand in that.

 Sum it up

The Flames were good enough to win this evening and probably would have on many other nights. That said, they didn't take the boots to a mediocre team beset by injuries earlier in the game and couldn't finish when things were in doubt. It's a rough way to lose two very vauable points to a divisional opponent on a night when they were extremely vulnerable.

Next up - Colorado.

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#1 dustin642
November 05 2010, 10:08PM
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Yeah, tough loss tonight, especially to a weaker team, and even more so to a weaker division rival team. Oh well.... Great choice BTW on the Red Warrior. Moss has been a solid player since his return and his effort level is at the top of the pile. Shouldn't we create a new category just for Rene Bourque (perhaps, the Road Warrior considering he only scores on the road and pretty sure most of his points and his best games have all been on the road?) Away from that, what about Jarome Iginla? As you said in the Gameday preview, Iggy & co. shouldn't have had much trouble playing against a line of Nystrom & some dude who's name I can not remember, yet he did (Minus 1 I believe). His primary focus has been offense for pretty much his entire career especially the last 6-7 years of it, and after reading the comparison between Iggys career and his current situation and Steve Yzermans career and how he faced similar situations (trade rumors and all) at around the same time frame of his career and instead of being a relatively un-effective streaky aging sniper, he was able to re-invent himself as a defensive forward, which, obviously worked out for Yzerman and the Red Wings. I personally would rather see Jarome go down this career pathway, rather than stay on the one he currently is on. Especially with the seemingly permanent loss of Daymond Langkow. Although this solution does not just come over night and it would not address our biggest issue (top end talent) I think Iggy could do it and eventually do it well. Would really like to hear yours and all of the 'Nations opinion on this subject.

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#2 SmellOfVictory
November 05 2010, 10:24PM
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Every single time there's a game against Minny I forget how effing boring they are to watch. I know the Flames aren't exactly the most dynamic team most nights either, but Minnesota takes it to another level.

I'm liking Backlund more with every game. I think if he improved his shot he could end up being pretty dangerous offensively.

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#3 Kenn
November 06 2010, 09:54AM
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I enjoy your writing Kent I like reading what you are thinking or your perspective on the game and the Flames. Keep it up!

As for the game, I am glad the season is young because it gives the team to sort things out. I too was disappointed that the Flames did not turn it up a notch against a team who should be weaker than the Flames and are not all that fund to watch. I felt for Kipper on the second goal because you think you have it and it gets through the arm and in it goes. I find the Wild were good enough to win because the Flames were not strong enough to take the game away from the Wild. The Flames deserved better but on those nights you just need your better players to step up and we just do not seem to get that with this club.

I heard a funny on TSN Sports Centre last night.

The Flames struggles continue but they do lead the league one category...................

CLOSED DOOR TEAM MEETINGS!

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#5 Gange
November 06 2010, 10:16AM
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Well it was a game. That's what I can say.

In a way I can say I am somewhat relieved that the Flames lost. Not because I like seeing them lose but because it should lead to other conversations with more clarity.

For years I've been fed that this is an elite team, and at a point I think it really was true. The current team is clearly not that now. I'm ok with that. What I'm tired of hearing are the same things post game:

"The bounces didn't go our way..." "Have to have a short memory, focus on the next one..." "Best players need to be the best players..."

Searching for answers when maybe the answer is "We're not that good, We're hoping to make the playoffs but who knows?".

This wasn't a game that they dominated Minnesota and Backstrom beat them. They were marginally better than Minnesota and the goaltender made the saves when they counted.

This is not the team I was sold. I'm ok with whatever team you put on the ice just manage my expectations. It only bothers me because I don't know if deep inside the organization believes it's an elite team.

Lord help me if they do.

If they don't, then they'll concede something has to change. I'm just not smart enough to know what that is.

Oh and I think Backlund has been really good. Lots of potential. He'll be fun to watch in a couple years.

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#7 Bruins
November 06 2010, 12:23PM
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Its very early in the season. I just looked at their schedule and they have some tough games coming up. I don't think this a playoff team. You spend a lot of time following hockey Kent. Do you think this is a good team and do you think they can make the playoffs? I think this team has a lot of problems starting from the top down

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#9 FireOnIce
November 06 2010, 03:54PM
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Looks like a snoozefest, glad I was unable to watch the game.

As for whether or not the Flames can do damage in the playoffs, I would just like to point at the 2003-2004 team that made it to the finals.

Our roster had a couple familiar names, Iginla/Kipper/Conroy/Regehr.

However, we also had such superstars as: Chuck Kobasuck, Martin Gelinas, Ville Nieminen, Oleg Saprykin, Chris Simon, Yelle, Wharrener, etc etc.

The point being that our team then was Iginla surrounded by a bunch of nobodies, has-beens, and spare parts. Yet, we pushed Tampa to 7 games in the finals.

Anything can happen, but the Flames need to play hard, CONSISTENTLY, and not let themselves become lazy and indifferent.

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#10 Nolan
November 06 2010, 05:27PM
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I said this last year. Sutter (Both of them) have a 'system', that is drag it out, grind, throw at the net, etc and you'll get wins. Brent asked last year "What's wrong with 1-0 or 2-1 games?" nothing if you win, but it gets a little boring after a while. Last year they started to play that 'run and gun' and Sutter got mad, made them get back to the 'Sutter system' and they started to loose. 2 weeks ago the Flames where scoring in bunches. Bourque looked like he'd score 40+ goals. The 4th line looked like it was just another top line. Well in this system, goals are hard to come by. This team is built for hockey pre-lockout. In today's NHL, they may get lucky but they cant compete against teams who have embraced the new style.

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#11 Flames4Cup
November 07 2010, 12:30AM
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With Gio signed next year at 4+, that means we now have 4 guys making over 4 mill on the backend next season. That worries me.

That said, this team hasn't got going yet and I'm pretty sure that at some point they will find it. I mean sitting where we are with our best player not playing well usually means things can only go up.

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#12 Brent G.
November 07 2010, 11:14AM
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Flames4Cup wrote:

With Gio signed next year at 4+, that means we now have 4 guys making over 4 mill on the backend next season. That worries me.

That said, this team hasn't got going yet and I'm pretty sure that at some point they will find it. I mean sitting where we are with our best player not playing well usually means things can only go up.

From what I can tell it is a bad idea to have that much invested in defenders. That being said I wouldnt be surprised if one is traded (particularly is playoffs look bleak). I dont think anyone would really throw up their hands in disgust if we awoke tomorrow to hear JBlow was traded; even if it was for spare parts or a 2nd round draft pick. If that was the asking price I would think that would be worth it to take a chance for a team like Columbus... We get cap relief too.

It's off topic kind of but I would not be surprised at all to see White dealt mid season this year. He has not been all that good at all. Although that being said, maybe he can be resigned for cheap. His stock isnt being helped right now by his play.

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#13 CitizenFlame
November 07 2010, 11:49PM
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Brent G. wrote:

From what I can tell it is a bad idea to have that much invested in defenders. That being said I wouldnt be surprised if one is traded (particularly is playoffs look bleak). I dont think anyone would really throw up their hands in disgust if we awoke tomorrow to hear JBlow was traded; even if it was for spare parts or a 2nd round draft pick. If that was the asking price I would think that would be worth it to take a chance for a team like Columbus... We get cap relief too.

It's off topic kind of but I would not be surprised at all to see White dealt mid season this year. He has not been all that good at all. Although that being said, maybe he can be resigned for cheap. His stock isnt being helped right now by his play.

I would expect to see White gone - Gio's contract was the nail in that coffin - and I think to expect Pardy/Pelech/Brodie/Mikkelson combination on the back end next year to save money. The team will need to put a few minimum wage players out there just to be under the cap. Barring any other developments of course, like a trade or retirement.

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#14 the-wolf
November 08 2010, 08:43AM
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Kent Wilson wrote:

There's a couple of issues with the Yzerman comparison.

Firstly, not every player can make the leap from 100 point getter to Selke-type. It's a difficult transition that is abnormal. In fact, I suspect that story is more narrative than reality.

In addition, the Red Wings as they were constructed could afford to have Yzerman ride into the sunset as a "defensive player". The team both acquired and developed elite players around him so by the time he wasn't an offensive force anymore, they had others there to step in and assume the mantle. For example, in 2002, the Red Wings had Yzerman, Hull, Verbeek, Shanahan, Robitaille, Larionov, Federov, Holmstrom and some kid named Pavel Dastyuk.

Iginla's struggles are so obvious and important because the Flames have built around him as an offensive difference maker. If he isn't, the team is in trouble.

Not only that, but the difference in position is vital too. A centreman can do that job so much more effectively than a winger can.

Besides, anyone who watches Jarome can tell that defense is the last thing on his mind which is the #1 problem on this team. If Iggy would show up every night playing the Brent Sutter plan to perfection everyone else would get on board. Instead, he's been invisible most nights and when he is on, it's at the insistence of playing his own style of game.

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#15 the-wolf
November 08 2010, 09:00AM
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FireOnIce wrote:

Looks like a snoozefest, glad I was unable to watch the game.

As for whether or not the Flames can do damage in the playoffs, I would just like to point at the 2003-2004 team that made it to the finals.

Our roster had a couple familiar names, Iginla/Kipper/Conroy/Regehr.

However, we also had such superstars as: Chuck Kobasuck, Martin Gelinas, Ville Nieminen, Oleg Saprykin, Chris Simon, Yelle, Wharrener, etc etc.

The point being that our team then was Iginla surrounded by a bunch of nobodies, has-beens, and spare parts. Yet, we pushed Tampa to 7 games in the finals.

Anything can happen, but the Flames need to play hard, CONSISTENTLY, and not let themselves become lazy and indifferent.

You're looking at the right names, but in the wrong way.

Iginla had a fantastic run in 2004, but was misdiagnosed a as a true "leader." He's really not. Those names you list and a few more plus Darryl himself were the true leaders during that run. Look what happened when Darryl got rid of all of them and the team started becoming more and more "Iggy's."

The whole problem with the team now is lack of leadership. Iggy refuses to show up a lot of nights and when he does he still doesn't play the system. As he goes, the team goes, yet he refuses to buy in.

There's a reason Detroit plays like a machine. Because Datsyuk, Zetterbeg and Lisdstrom all buy in completely. And there's a reason those guys buy in. Because before them Yzerman and Shanahan and company bought in.

Everyone complains about inconsistency. Everyone says inconsistency is a result of poor leadership. Everyone says Iggy is the leader. But no one ever wants to conenct the 2 things. "Iginla is the leader and the team lacks leadership, but it's not Iggy's fault."

Ergo, we're not going anywhere in the playoffs until we get new leadership.

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#16 Domebeers.com
November 08 2010, 09:06AM
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@the-wolf

because Iggy not 'inspiring' Olli with his 'leadership' is why the guy didn't backcheck...

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#18 icedawg_42
November 08 2010, 12:25PM
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but all TRUE leaders like Haggis

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#19 CitizenFlame
November 08 2010, 12:27PM
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icedawg_42 wrote:

but all TRUE leaders like Haggis

I cannot believe you just beat me to that!?

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#20 PrairieStew
November 08 2010, 12:53PM
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@Kent

Ah, cognitive dissonance. Definitley the feeling one gets when discussing the Flames, and most certainly the concept of trading Iginla.

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