If not Feaster, who?

Robert Cleave
December 29 2010 04:36PM

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As Kent noted earlier, the ascension of Jay Feaster to the Flames GM job, even on a temporary basis, has left a few of us with some misgivings. Feaster's record in Tampa was mixed, with a few decent moves being overshadowed in the end by a very poor drafting record and the Richards trade.

I don't think that Feaster will be let go any time soon and he does deserve a chance to formulate a plan for the club's future, but if the Flames decide to move on this summer, there a few assistant GMs that might be of interest.

One thing that's always important to note is that assistants have varying degrees of input and autonomy between organizations, and that's completely dependant on the comfort level of their boss. As a result, it's often difficult to completely assess the value an AGM adds to a club until they move on.

As well, with earlier free agency and the restrictions that the salary cap imposes, any NHL team's success rides on their pro and amateur scouting departments to a greater degree than at any point in the recent history of the league. Any GM that really looks like he knows what he's doing has almost certainly benefited from a strong scouting department along the way.

One thing that is standard, however, is that AGMs usually are in charge of player development, whether they act directly as GM of the minor league team or as an overseer of the person in that role.

When assessing any organization, I'm also mindful that there are good teams are still reaping the benefits of the old system, and I'm thinking of the Red Wings in particular here. Gabe Desjardins' point the other day that there might not be one team or GM in the league that really has the cap system fully mastered as of yet is likely bang-on.

With that in mind, it's sometimes a bit difficult to project how any AGM will do when they get handed the keys to the whole operation, but there are a few gents with decent organizations that deserve a look.

In no particular order; 

LOS ANGELES, CA - JUNE 25: Ron Hextall of the Los Angeles Kings works the draft floor during the 2010 NHL Entry Draft at Staples Center on June 25, 2010 in Los Angeles, California. (Photo by Bruce Bennett/Getty Images)
 

Ron Hextall, Los Angeles:

Hextall is a pretty famous person for his ability on-ice, but he's spent the last number of seasons working his way through the ranks with Los Angeles, serving as both AGM for the big club and GM of the Manchester Monarchs of the AHL. The Kings have moved several decent young players through their system since Hextall signed on in 2006, and Manchester has been a competitive outfit during his tenure.

I did note that Dean Lombardi was comfortable enough to let Hextall field questions on behalf of the club in the wake of the first attempt to acquire Marco Sturm. That might be a small hint about the trust level between Lombardi and Hextall, since Lombardi hasn't needed a protective buffer from the media in the past.

The Kings have built a pretty decent foundation over the years, and I suspect that if Lombardi isn't ready to move on, Hextall would be likely be interested in sitting in the big chair with another organization. 

LOS ANGELES, CA - JUNE 25: Jim Nill of the Detroit Red Wings works the draft floor during the 2010 NHL Entry Draft at Staples Center on June 25, 2010 in Los Angeles, California. (Photo by Bruce Bennett/Getty Images)
 

Jim Nill, Detroit:

Jim Nill is someone who might end up becoming more famous as an executive in waiting than he ever was as a player. He's been at Ken Holland's right hand since Holland took over as GM in 1997, and during that period the Red Wings have been the league's premier organization.

Nill's primary role with the club has been to oversee the amateur scouting department, which might seem like a pretty attractive credential to have, given the Red Wings' success at mining the late rounds for elite players, but unless he's bringing Hakan Andersson and his horseshoes along for the ride, I'd be a bit wary of ascribing too much of that to Nill. Still, he's been a non-trivial part of Detroit's management team over the years, and he's extremely well-regarded.

Whether he'd leave for Calgary is another story, since he lost out to Craig Button the last time the club held a proper search for the GM job, but he's certainly a worthy candidate. 

LOS ANGELES, CA - JUNE 25: Anaheim Ducks Senior Vice President of Hockey Operations David McNab looks on during the 2010 NHL Entry Draft at Staples Center on June 25, 2010 in Los Angeles, California. (Photo by Bruce Bennett/Getty Images)
 

David McNab, Anaheim:

McNab is a Ducks lifer, spending the entire history of the club as either AGM or Senior VP of Hockey Operations. He's survived several GMs along the way, including Brian Burke, who's known for wanting his own people in place, and the Ducks have built and rebuilt a couple of times in his tenure.

McNab's real calling card is his ability over the years to find college free agents. Andy McDonald, Chris Kunitz, Dustin Penner, Ryan Shannon, Ryan Carter and Curtis Glencross were all McNab signings. That's some list, frankly, and a team that is as short of picks as the Flames needs to find players from unusual sources, so any edge that someone like McNab could offer might speed the club's re-tooling. If he'd be willing to leave SoCal, he'd be worth a serious look.

MONTREAL, QC - JUNE 26:  Ryan Ellis puts on a new Nashville Predators sweater as the Predators Assistant General Manager Paul Fenton looks on after he Ellis was selected #11 overall by the Predators during the first round of the 2009 NHL Entry Draft at the Bell Centre on June 26, 2009 in Montreal, Quebec, Canada.  (Photo by Bruce Bennett/Getty Images)
 

Paul Fenton, Nashville:

Fenton is the latest in a series of young execs that David Poile has groomed over nearly 30 years as a GM. Fenton's immediate predecessor as AGM in Nashville was Ray Shero, so there is a certain pedigree at work with people that come from the Predators, and Fenton's own work overseeing amateur scouting has been quite good.

The Predators have drafted well, and for a team with considerable financial restraints they've managed to be incredibly competitive. Poile and Barry Trotz should get the lion's share of credit for that, but if nothing else, Fenton has a good role model that he's learned from.

He, like Hextall, is also the GM of his team's AHL affiliate. Milwaukee has routinely been competitive in their league, and no AHL team solely rides on its own draftees. Virtually all of them have AHL-only players (ex: Jon Rheault), and it's the AGM's job to find the right guys to mix with an organization's kids.

If your AHL team spits out solid prospects while being good at actually winning games, chances are your minor league GM has a clue. As I mentioned, I don't have a dog in the fight, and if Feaster stays and does well, that's certainly fine with me. The only caveats I'd note about Nill and McNab is that both are well-ensconced in their current jobs, and they along with Fenton are north of 50 years old. Only Hextall is younger than Feaster, in fact, so if the Flames' job is found to be a bit wanting, they might choose to stay in place rather than take a job that might require several years of hard slogging.

In Fenton's case, Poile will be 61 this winter, so he might be ready for succession in the near term. At any rate, if the club chooses a different path later this year, there are people out there with some worthwhile experience to consider.

Whether outsiders consider Calgary's job to be one of interest is another matter, of course.

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#1 SmellOfVictory
December 29 2010, 07:45PM
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@mikeecho

Hemsky is really good - he just happens to be made of muffins.

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#2 Domebeers.com
December 29 2010, 08:00PM
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Uhh, Lanny McDonald or Bob Gainey, duh!

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#3 Parallex
December 30 2010, 02:29AM
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A name to throw in there... Washington Capitals AGM Brian MacLellan.

Curriculum vitae - 1: Played Hockey in the NHL 2: Won the Stanley Cup, even better 3: Won that Stanley Cup with the Flames 4: Served as Pro Scout 5: Served as Director of player personnel 6: Served as AGM 7: Bachelor of Science in Business Administration 8: MBA in finance

A hockey guy with brains that understands finance, investment and has a connection to the team... sounds good to me.

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#4 Kent Wilson
December 29 2010, 04:47PM
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Really good work, Robert. Nothing for me to add.

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#5 SmellOfVictory
December 29 2010, 05:24PM
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Steve Yzerman. ;)

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#6 Oilertown
December 29 2010, 05:32PM
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Suck it lames Feaster will be your GM for the next 5 years and its only gonna get worse for you ppl. You can talk all you want about trying to get a real GM the fact of the matter is none of you run the team. Have fun with you perennial loser team

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#7 T&A4Flames
December 29 2010, 05:55PM
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Oilertown wrote:

Suck it lames Feaster will be your GM for the next 5 years and its only gonna get worse for you ppl. You can talk all you want about trying to get a real GM the fact of the matter is none of you run the team. Have fun with you perennial loser team

Hey Oilerguy, perhaps you could let us Flames fans know what to be prepared for since your team has sucked for a long time now. Aren't your guys still in last place? Go back to your own forum so your kind can stroke each other about the good old times and of course, all the good times that are sure to come now with all your super young kids.

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#8 Ricky
December 29 2010, 06:06PM
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Hey Oiler Guy: This board is for Flames fans not jealous bitter Oilers fans. Yes the Oilers have some excellent young forwards who will be good down the road. Now all they need is a goalie, about 4 defensemen and about 5 other forwards who actually are good enough to be effective NHL players. Don't act so superior, you are in the toilet today and will be in the toilet for a few more years yet so stay on your own Oiler board.

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#9 44stampede
December 29 2010, 06:09PM
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Let the rumor mill begin.

Good stuff Robert. Glad to know about the potentials out there.

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#10 Kent Wilson
December 29 2010, 06:31PM
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Oilertown wrote:

Suck it lames Feaster will be your GM for the next 5 years and its only gonna get worse for you ppl. You can talk all you want about trying to get a real GM the fact of the matter is none of you run the team. Have fun with you perennial loser team

At the very least you should wait till your team doesn't stink to start gloating.

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#11 mikeecho
December 29 2010, 07:20PM
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I was living in Edmonton in 2002 when all I heard was that Hemsky was going to be the next greatest Oiler to Gretzky.

How has that worked out? He has yet to get 80 points in a season!

Don't count the eggs before they hatch...

Now back to the topic at hand...

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#12 RossCreekNation
December 29 2010, 07:49PM
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I'll throw out another name... player agent Ritch Winter.

His name has popped up in Edmonton before and it sounds like he'd have some interest in running a team. Whether he has any specific destinations in mind, who knows.

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#13 dave
December 29 2010, 08:38PM
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SmellOfVictory wrote:

Steve Yzerman. ;)

had a chance to get him in the offseason. Feels bad.

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#14 negrilcowboy
December 29 2010, 08:38PM
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Seeing that there is a lack of faith in the new "interim" or "acting" general manager Jay Feaster and some names are being thrown about heres another one. Frank Provanzano assistant GM of the Dallas stars. Formerly assistant GM of the Washington Capitals as well as assistant to hockey operations with the Canucks. Provanzano was also TSN 's capologist. A younger guy at 41 years old and he did play abit of hockey.

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#15 bill
December 29 2010, 10:02PM
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Steve Tamballini. Look at the job he's done in Edmonton. Eberle, MPS, Hall.

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#16 Devan
December 29 2010, 10:13PM
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Who cares about the Flamers. Really Calgary Really? You GOT NOBODY! Oooooh Mitch Wahl. I am sooo scared. WE GOT

Omark, HALL, Svensson, and Eberel. BOOM take that and rewind it back!

Ohh you goes got Nemiz? BAHAHAHAHAHA. Riiiiiiiiiight.

Hemsky, Gagner and Gogs are better than ANYBODY on the Flames.

Backlund=Poor man's Jani Rita. Look up Flames fan.

One cup and counting will be in the basement.

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#17 RossCreekNation
December 29 2010, 10:20PM
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Uh... what does Lanny McDonald know about being a GM? Just curious...

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#18 Canucks Suck
December 29 2010, 10:29PM
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Devan wrote:

Who cares about the Flamers. Really Calgary Really? You GOT NOBODY! Oooooh Mitch Wahl. I am sooo scared. WE GOT

Omark, HALL, Svensson, and Eberel. BOOM take that and rewind it back!

Ohh you goes got Nemiz? BAHAHAHAHAHA. Riiiiiiiiiight.

Hemsky, Gagner and Gogs are better than ANYBODY on the Flames.

Backlund=Poor man's Jani Rita. Look up Flames fan.

One cup and counting will be in the basement.

Seriously? Christ Oilers fans are stupid can't even spell the names of their own players correctly. Unless this Eberel is some new prospect they are waiting to unleash on us. Also if the players you mentioned were better than ANYBODY on the flames how come you're still in last place? Or why haven't they put up as many points as Jarome?

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#19 Canucks Suck
December 29 2010, 10:31PM
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Don't even compare backlund to rita either the kid will put up more points this season that rita did in his whole career.

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#20 Willi P
December 29 2010, 10:55PM
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OK,

I couldn't resist signing up for FN after reading posts for many months and watching the greasy trolls try and carve a spot on the postings. Sorry Devan, I know you are trolling and can't help yourself....but you need to get out of your mommies basement and join the real world. Yes the Coil have prospects galore, but we have seen this picture before. (no rhyme/pun intended). If you are going to talk trash, please try and make some sense. Wrt the GM question at hand, my first choice would have been Stevie Y but that was last year. Nill seems to be the next obvious choice BUT I am not convinced he is ready to leave the Detroit management factory yet or ever. McNab would be the next great candidate. I am concerned that the Flames will install a popular choice like Lanny or Kisio which would be very similar to the Stamps when they hired Dunnigan. It’s time to take the high road and find the right guy, not the peoples’ choice. I don’t think Feaster is the answer.

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#21 Canucks Suck
December 29 2010, 11:43PM
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I don't think feaster will be making all the hockey decisions I'm sure hes going to manage contracts and players. Jay is a pretty smart guy and will have advisers bring any hockey knowledge that he may lack if he wants to go at the decision making alone I don't think it will work though but I don't see him doing that.

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#22 everton fc
December 29 2010, 11:56PM
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What makes McNab a good choice is his superior ability to scout talent. His age is a detraction.

What makes Hextall attractive - similar scouting ability, and his age.

One of these two should be contacted immediately. Feaster does not have the innate hockey sense of McNab, or Hextall. Hextall would give the fans quite a positive buzz. This, too, is worth something.

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#23 schevvy
December 30 2010, 12:38AM
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Now maybe I'm being too optimistic here, but if I remember correctly the Penguins in the year they won the cup were 10th in the East in late february, and fired their coach. Of course we all know what happened after that, the got on a roll all the way to the cup. Calgary's a liitle further back than that but with Darryl now being gone hopefully it will motivate them to go on a big run like the pens 2 years ago. I know this sounds very optimistic but I'm hoping it'll happen.

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#24 everton fc
December 30 2010, 09:08AM
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Perhaps the analysis here should switch towards competent, proven scouting. Seems to me Feaster's who we are stuck with. If we are going to start fresh, we'd be looking towards a new GM and President now, not in the summer. Now is when this all needs to happen, and "now" currently shows us w/Feaster and King in command.

So... if Feaster is our new GM... who could we surround him with who could also make sound player personnel decisions? Who out there could be brought in to raise the bar substantially with regards to player personnel moves, drafting, scouting... ???

This is perhaps the direction our discussion should go. A detour, if you will. Again, I think the Flames have no intention of moving in any other direction. Feast or famine, Feaster is our GM. (Pun poor, but intended)

(Funny you bring up Brian MacLellan - my son had one of his old hockey cards lying on the floor of his room when we did our post-Christmas present clean-up. As he is just shy of 8, I am not certain where he got MacLellan's card. Perhaps Value Village? In any case, maybe this is some sort of sign?!)

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#25 Kent Wilson
December 30 2010, 09:43AM
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schevvy wrote:

Now maybe I'm being too optimistic here, but if I remember correctly the Penguins in the year they won the cup were 10th in the East in late february, and fired their coach. Of course we all know what happened after that, the got on a roll all the way to the cup. Calgary's a liitle further back than that but with Darryl now being gone hopefully it will motivate them to go on a big run like the pens 2 years ago. I know this sounds very optimistic but I'm hoping it'll happen.

Well, there's a couple of reasons the two situations aren't comparable:

1.) Dan Bylsma was a very real improvement over Therrien. Everything about the Pens got better after he took over, including shot differential. It wasn't simply a motivation thing that pushed them forward - it was a real shift in strategy.

2.) The Penguins had some elite talent.

I think the Flames will probably win more games than they lose this year (absent some major personnel changes, of course), but the chances of them going on some miracle run are slim.

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#27 negrilcowboy
December 30 2010, 10:49AM
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@Kent Wilson

Having Sid the Kid in his corner certainly helped Danny.Back to the Flames, JayFe is on record as saying he has no plan at this time to trade Iggie, and looks to shore up a second and third round pick at the minimum. So who's changing postal codes? Kent do you see any movement prior to or at the deadline?

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#28 everton fc
December 30 2010, 12:18PM
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If I may take a cut at your question to Kent, Negrilcowboy...

To me, Hagman is not a Calgary Flame. He doesn't seem to fit here. He's the type of transient player who moves on every two seasons, or so. He'd be one I'd shop. Perhaps packaged with Stajan. Or a defenceman (Pardy?)Or all three...

If you want an elite centre, Bouwmeester's the bait. At least in my opinion. True, he’s young, and doing much better this season (or so it seems). But his price-tag is absolutely insane. Again, in my opinion...

If we move Iggy, we're nuts. He's an elite player, and he'll re-sign here, at bargain price. We simply need to surround him w/a decent supporting cast. We never have. Came close w/Huselius, Langkow, Tanguay... But we hired Keenan, of course. We're nuts to shop Kipper, as well. And Reggie. I say they stay. Along with Gio. And we are stuck w/Jokinen, but he seems to be finding his stride… He'll be off the payroll, soon enough.

Bourque may be another with some value, particularly if the goal is to start fresh. He'll be 30 this time next season, and is often injured. Moss seems to be losing value, and will also eclipse 30 this time next season. But I like he and Jackman on the fourth line. Kostopolous can perhaps be packaged with someone like Bouwmeester, or Hagman. (I wonder what a package of Bouwmeester and Hagman would return? Or Bourque and Bouwmeester?? ) Morrison may have some value to a playoff team looking for experience and some scoring (Nashville?) If used correctly, Moss has value. I've said this before - guys like Moss seem to blossom on teams like Detroit... Philly... Because they are utilized correctly... I think Moss and Jackman are good on the fourth line.

Stajan is another I'd shop, but only because of his price tag. I think he'd be a very good 3rd-line centre here. But not at $3mill/season.

Babchuk could be packaged. Pardy, as well. I didn't realize Mikkelson was only 23. But he won't be on the roster next season. Maybe not by season's end. But could he be a throw-in? Perhaps...

Honestly... we don't have a lot of bait in our murky pool. We could throw names like Kipper and Reggie out there, but they are not the problem. Indeed, they can help us rebuild. I do not support the blow-up-the-roster mindset. Rarely works. But I do think we can blow up the 2nd and 3rd lines... not to mention the 5-6 d-spots (anyone like Sarich next year as a 5-6 d-man for $1.75-$2mill?)

Teams want our best players for a reason. For intelligent reasons. We might want to consider this... Our 2nd line could be rebuilt. Our third line, as well. Tanguay should be re-signed, on the cheap. He seems to like it here, and will continue to produce. Perhaps Glencross to a two-year deal, as well. Or does Tanguay become bait? (I hope not) Or Glencross??

A look at our roster proves we are chock-full of slow, aging dinosaurs and under-achieving misfits. We need to be patient and prudent, whilst riding out the storm. Youth is in the system. Some of it, particularly on defence, looks good. Erixon, in particular, along with Brodie, could make the jump next season. How does Seabrook look? Anybody??....

We have other good, young prospects in the pipeline, I think. We simply need to make room for a few. ASAP.

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#29 dotfras
December 30 2010, 12:55PM
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Tanguay, Glencross & Hagman are the guys with good value.

I would say that Tanguay would bring the most return. Cheap cap hit and upcoming UFA means a great rental that almost any playoff bound team can afford.

We need to rid ourselves of some guys & in turn stock the cupboard. The Flames need to be revitalized through youth. It's working in Colorado, other plays as well but most prominent with the Avs.

Would hate to see Iggy go, maybe he won't, but he would garner a blue chip prospect at the least.

Who knows. Excited that this team has turned a page & optimistically await what comes next.

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#30 Scott in Grande Prairie
December 30 2010, 01:18PM
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I'm sure this Flames site didn't need another Oiler-fan interloper chiming in, but here I am.

But first of all, I'll take a moment to distance myself from my overzealous fellow Oiler fans and resist the urge to crow about the rebuilding plan that's in place down in Oiltown or that desperately needs to be in place way down in Cowtown.

Instead, I'll get to the point, Flames Nation: Pray to whatever god you believe in that the Flames hang onto Feaster. He's got a Stanley Cup ring as a GM and that's the ultimate resume. Darryl Sutter couldn't have spelled Stanley Cup if you gave him the first nine letters.

You've got your hockey man - finally. Hell, you might even have your best GM since Cliff.

If Jay Feaster isn't good enough to take over that foundering ship, no one is.

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#31 negrilcowboy
December 30 2010, 01:18PM
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@everton fc

You make several good points.Asset management is critical at this juncture,who stays,who goes.

however, something needs to be done imediately, some type of player movement. I am not saying a major move but a fire needs to be light.

IMO anyone or everyone is available at this time. Bourque may be a valued commodity to some Gms,regardless of being practically invisible for the month of December.

Jbo frustrates the hell out of people, tons of talent but the urgency and desire seem to be lacking. Babchuk has better offensive stats, which is offensive in its own right.

Regehr has to be moved by seasons end, his foot speed is greatly deminishing, never the silver bullet to begin with but being steady back of the line and no offensive imput his days maybe numbered.

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#32 DoubleJ
December 30 2010, 01:51PM
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I'm a Oiler fan. And I love how the Oilers are taking there time with a rebuild.

I think Calgary is on a different path and I think they could do a really quick turn around. Calgary has some real value in players that they could get some super assets in return.

Calgary players who could probably be on the move at the deadline IMO

Regehr, Hagman, Tanguay, Sarich, Morisson and Glencross. All of those guys can get you picks and or prospects.

And if you do move one or both of your super stars, you know you'll get at least first round picks and or good nhl players. But I doubt they move either of them.

Calgary reminds me alittle like Philly when they finished at the bottom of the league. They turned it around quickly. Calgary may do the same.

I hope not of course, but they could.

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#33 Scott in Grande Prairie
December 30 2010, 01:52PM
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Here's a question to no one (and thus everyone) in particular: Has there been any talk of trading Iggy to Pittsburgh?

That would seem like a natural fit to me. As we all know, the Pens are three-deep at centre but have a bunch of guys named Pascal playing on the wings.

If I'm Jay Feaster, I pick up the phone and ask Shero if there was any chance he'd consider swapping Iggy for Staal, straight-up. Yeah, the Pens would be giving up 10 years (or more?) in age, but as memory serves, that's sort of how Calgary ended up with Iggy. They traded an aging-but-still-effective star (Joe Lots-of-Letters) to Big D.

At some point, the Pens are going to realize that it's not going to hurt to have someone for Sid to pass the puck to ... or take a pass from. Iggy's that guy.

And I'm sure that by now, Jarome has realized that the only way he'll win a Cup in Alberta is if he signs on with the Bentley Generals when they host the Allan Cup.

He'd waive the no-trade clause if he was going to Pittsburgh.

Make the deal, Feaster.

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#34 negrilcowboy
December 30 2010, 02:05PM
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@Scott in Grande Prairie

The Pens do have a shot at the cup, afterall they have some kid named Crosby. Iggie and El Sid have a history. If I was Iggy i would be making the call myself. Staal,doubt if the Pens would want to part with him, honestly i think they would rather move Malkin before a heart and soul horse. A huge obstacle faced by Feaster is the lack of pro contracts, can't get multi players for his blue chip stock.

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#35 Scott in Grande Prairie
December 30 2010, 02:20PM
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Good point, negrilcowboy. I think the Pens would rather talk trade with Malkin than Staal, but I'm not sure if I'd make that deal if I was sitting in Calgary.

Malkin strikes me as Jaromir Jagr-type of personality. If he's the No. 2 guy, he's great. Good attitude because there's not as much pressure. But take him out from behind Mario or Sidney and expose him to the harsh spotlights of a Saddle-shaped hockey arena and suddenly, he's showing up when he wants to show up.

Here's the thing: It's all about the Cup. And trading for Iginla solves a couple of big problems for the Pens: 1. Scoring on Sid's wing. 2. Creating room for Sid - With Iggy, many of those late hits and facewashes go away.

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#36 negrilcowboy
December 30 2010, 02:37PM
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@Scott in Grande Prairie

Sid and Iggy would work no doubt, if i was a gm there is no way in hell i take Malkin. Agreed he does have a Jagrism to him. Keeeping malkin motivated would be a full time assignment.

Having Iggy on the wing with Sid would open a tremendous amount of ice and as you stated eliminate the abuse to a degree. Steve yzerman once said Bobby Probert gave him 3 extra feet to work. Iggy isn't in the puglistic class as Probert but by all means would send a message.

What exactly is Iggy worth or other Flames for that matter? Does the CBA have any loopholes to free up pro contracts, ie Connie,canvass back Ivanas etc?

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#37 everton fc
December 30 2010, 02:44PM
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@negrilcowboy.

I don't believe in standing still at the moment. I do believe players - many - should be moved. Just those that have no value in the rebuild.

My opinion is that Jarome, Robyn and Mikka do have value. Of course, I know this isn't the politically correct line on this board. But it's how I'd play it, if GM.

One thing about Regehr; he's got a good shot. A coach that recognizes this would be wise to coach Robyn to fire the puck towards the net more often. As for foot speed, true. But the games I have watched live and on t.v., he's been consistent, as well as competitive.

I'll add this; look at our roster, then look at Phoenix. This year, and last. Very similar. Indeed, Calgary may be superior. So why can't we put together a consistent run of games?

Could it have anything at all to do with our coach and coaching staff?

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#38 everton fc
December 30 2010, 02:47PM
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Colorado's youth... is behind the bench, as well. Something to consider here, in Calgary.

Sacco would have this current roster of Flames in the playoff hunt. So would Tippett. So would Bylsma. Again, my opinion.

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#39 mikeecho
December 30 2010, 02:57PM
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What surprised me a bit today was a comment I saw from Corey Sarich.

To paraphrase a bit, it was something to the effect that as a team, they had to get past the relief feeling phase and move to the winning feeling phase.

I guess my curiosity... 1) is there relief that Daryl specifically is gone 2) is there relief that a shoe of some sort (either the coach or GM) dropped and now they focus on hockey.

Really makes me wonder how much Daryl was liked by the players.

I'm starting to see a lot more happy, fluffy stuff (pictures of Brent smiling, etc...) and wonder if that's just the media focusing on that or if there is a real feeling of change/relief?

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#40 negrilcowboy
December 30 2010, 02:59PM
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well i guess Measter Feaster must identify the direction the Flames are to go, the PLAN. If i was the new GM entrusted to fix this mess, i would be taking the scorched earth approach. Identify who I want to build around, not what someone thought was a core. Everyone would be on the table. As for the coaching situation, that would be priority number one, is he my guy or do i go elsewhere.

Top priority would be to revamp an obviously ineffective development program, scouts, personnel, as well as the type of players i wanted.

Whether or not some fans want to admit it, the entire organization has been compromised. This isn't corrective surgery its a full blown crisis management.

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December 30 2010, 03:03PM
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Connie's comment about being afraid of darryl was a bit strange as well. Sounds like Catholic school and the mother superior,lets have fun but don't get caught smiling.

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#42 everton fc
December 30 2010, 04:04PM
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Jarome's comments were also carefully chosen. The most positive comments came from Tanguay.

Perhaps there is a sigh of relief... The question remains - will the team become consistent?

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#44 the-wolf
December 30 2010, 05:37PM
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So let me get this straight. This last summer, according to George Johnson of the Calgary Herald (who's adamant on the point), we could have had Steve Yzerman.

And way back when we hired Craig Button, we could have had Jim Nill instead.

Maybe the owners should do a poll and just let the fans pick the next GM. They'd certainly do better than their own track record.

Absolutely shameful.

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#45 the-wolf
December 30 2010, 05:40PM
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Domebeers.com wrote:

Uhh, Lanny McDonald or Bob Gainey, duh!

I'd gladly have Lanny in the President role. He's a proven leader and a proven business man. He only left because the team wanted his mustache for PR purposes. Too much class and brains for this ownership group, I guess.

Absolutely shameful.

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#46 negrilcowboy
December 30 2010, 05:42PM
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Perhaps you should seek legal advice, pain and suffering.

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#47 the-wolf
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everton fc wrote:

If I may take a cut at your question to Kent, Negrilcowboy...

To me, Hagman is not a Calgary Flame. He doesn't seem to fit here. He's the type of transient player who moves on every two seasons, or so. He'd be one I'd shop. Perhaps packaged with Stajan. Or a defenceman (Pardy?)Or all three...

If you want an elite centre, Bouwmeester's the bait. At least in my opinion. True, he’s young, and doing much better this season (or so it seems). But his price-tag is absolutely insane. Again, in my opinion...

If we move Iggy, we're nuts. He's an elite player, and he'll re-sign here, at bargain price. We simply need to surround him w/a decent supporting cast. We never have. Came close w/Huselius, Langkow, Tanguay... But we hired Keenan, of course. We're nuts to shop Kipper, as well. And Reggie. I say they stay. Along with Gio. And we are stuck w/Jokinen, but he seems to be finding his stride… He'll be off the payroll, soon enough.

Bourque may be another with some value, particularly if the goal is to start fresh. He'll be 30 this time next season, and is often injured. Moss seems to be losing value, and will also eclipse 30 this time next season. But I like he and Jackman on the fourth line. Kostopolous can perhaps be packaged with someone like Bouwmeester, or Hagman. (I wonder what a package of Bouwmeester and Hagman would return? Or Bourque and Bouwmeester?? ) Morrison may have some value to a playoff team looking for experience and some scoring (Nashville?) If used correctly, Moss has value. I've said this before - guys like Moss seem to blossom on teams like Detroit... Philly... Because they are utilized correctly... I think Moss and Jackman are good on the fourth line.

Stajan is another I'd shop, but only because of his price tag. I think he'd be a very good 3rd-line centre here. But not at $3mill/season.

Babchuk could be packaged. Pardy, as well. I didn't realize Mikkelson was only 23. But he won't be on the roster next season. Maybe not by season's end. But could he be a throw-in? Perhaps...

Honestly... we don't have a lot of bait in our murky pool. We could throw names like Kipper and Reggie out there, but they are not the problem. Indeed, they can help us rebuild. I do not support the blow-up-the-roster mindset. Rarely works. But I do think we can blow up the 2nd and 3rd lines... not to mention the 5-6 d-spots (anyone like Sarich next year as a 5-6 d-man for $1.75-$2mill?)

Teams want our best players for a reason. For intelligent reasons. We might want to consider this... Our 2nd line could be rebuilt. Our third line, as well. Tanguay should be re-signed, on the cheap. He seems to like it here, and will continue to produce. Perhaps Glencross to a two-year deal, as well. Or does Tanguay become bait? (I hope not) Or Glencross??

A look at our roster proves we are chock-full of slow, aging dinosaurs and under-achieving misfits. We need to be patient and prudent, whilst riding out the storm. Youth is in the system. Some of it, particularly on defence, looks good. Erixon, in particular, along with Brodie, could make the jump next season. How does Seabrook look? Anybody??....

We have other good, young prospects in the pipeline, I think. We simply need to make room for a few. ASAP.

Problem with blowing up the second and third lines is that those are our solid lines. What we lack are true first liners. And second and third liners don't fetch first liners in return.

Iggy is a great offensive player, but he's aging and is not a true leader. We haven't won with him yet, why do you think it'll be done when he turns 34?

Remember, hero worshipers said the same thing about Nieuwendyk and even about the Magic Man before he left. Iginla is an asset, plain and simple.

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Scott in Grande Prairie wrote:

Here's a question to no one (and thus everyone) in particular: Has there been any talk of trading Iggy to Pittsburgh?

That would seem like a natural fit to me. As we all know, the Pens are three-deep at centre but have a bunch of guys named Pascal playing on the wings.

If I'm Jay Feaster, I pick up the phone and ask Shero if there was any chance he'd consider swapping Iggy for Staal, straight-up. Yeah, the Pens would be giving up 10 years (or more?) in age, but as memory serves, that's sort of how Calgary ended up with Iggy. They traded an aging-but-still-effective star (Joe Lots-of-Letters) to Big D.

At some point, the Pens are going to realize that it's not going to hurt to have someone for Sid to pass the puck to ... or take a pass from. Iggy's that guy.

And I'm sure that by now, Jarome has realized that the only way he'll win a Cup in Alberta is if he signs on with the Bentley Generals when they host the Allan Cup.

He'd waive the no-trade clause if he was going to Pittsburgh.

Make the deal, Feaster.

This is who I wanted for Phaneuf 2 years ago. Love Staal.

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#49 negrilcowboy
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staal for Dion? There was no way that would have ever happened. Outside of the Flames market area Dion wasn't revered very much. The spin doctors build this kid up to be legendary before he hit the bigs. Dion's game always had big holes in it, back in the Rebels days these were overlooked. Dion is finally learning how to be a defenseman. He was a trainwreck back of the blueline. Norris candidate that played soft minutes against the oppositions lesser lights.Great point blast, huge hitter but lost in his own zone. Dion wasn't coached, he was given carte blanc. it wasn't until Iron Mike that the his shortcoming were acknowledged locally.

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Bouwmeester gets us a first liner. Perhaps less payroll, in the process.

Moving some of our second and third line also-rans frees up salary. If Kotalik can be coaxed back home, more salary is dumped. Staois comes off the books. As does Sarich.

Freeing up more payroll gets you another first liner, via free agency.

A decent, elite centre between Iggy and Tanguay forms a formidable first line. My opinion, of course. Would anyone here take Malkin or Carter for Bowmeester? Maybe add another roster player to the deal, dump some more payroll, and take a pick in return, with Malkin or Carter?? That's the kind of blow-up we need. If its even possible.

We moved Joe N for Iggy years ago. And we never won. So the theory of moving aging starts for youth doesn't always work.

I don't think GMs like Holland would move Iggy. Again, my POV. And good coaches get the most out of guys like Bertuzzi (the Wings have certainly not chosen a "youth movement". They are the model franchise...)

Phoenix, St. Louis, Boston... none of these teams have a better roster than ours. Not on paper. Yet they are better than we are in the standings. Why?

We need a new, fresh, creative GM with proven scouting ability. We need better scouting for better drafting. We need a new, young, progressive coach who knows how to inspire and build team chemistry, consistency, and confidence.

If we this type of coach now, with this exact roster, we'd be in the playoff picture.

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