Sutter at the Draft - Player Trades

Robert Cleave
June 22 2010 02:19PM

 

 

 

With this weekend's draft having the air of a very busy trading period around the league, I wanted to review Darryl Sutter's history from draft weekends past, with a particular emphasis on moves where the Flames exchanged NHLers for NHLers. I'll look at three specific moves from the '06-'08 draft weekends, both from a hockey POV as well as from a cap-management perspective. 

 

2006: Leopold for Tanguay

 

This move was a slam-dunk win from a hockey perspective for the Flames, IMO. Alex Tanguay has fallen off over the last couple of years due to a shoulder injury specifically, and maybe just a few too many hard miles generally, but his two seasons in Calgary were of a very high quality. Jordan Leopold never really played well in Colorado, with injuries being the main culprit in his ineffectiveness with the 'Lanche.

Financially, this deal was almost certainly available for Calgary due to the cap position the Avalanche found themselves in after the lock-out. Colorado, like many of the high-end clubs after the resumption of play, were compelled to spend the first couple of years shedding salary. Tanguay was headed for a significant raise, and there were only so many dollars to go around, so getting a relatively cheap defender with top 2 minutes on the resume must have seemed like a good bet for Colorado. The Flames had some cheap contributors on the roster at the time in the persons of Phaneuf and Huselius, so signing Tanguay to a deal with a 5.25 million dollar cap hit was within the realm for Calgary. There are plenty of GMs that can't make a deal even when they have the hammer in terms of resources and cap space, but Sutter did a good job in this case of identifying a good player to acquire, and the club got fair value from Tanguay for the money. Mike Keenan might have a differing view, of course. 

 

2007: Zyuzin for Aucoin

 

Speaking of trades that ended up working out, obtaining Shinpad Aucoin for Andrei Zyuzin wasn't a bad move, and from a strictly hockey POV, it was a pure win to get an actual NHL player for a stiff. Sutter did take some risk in the deal, of course, since Aucoin had two years left on a pricey contract. His first two seasons on that 16 million dollar deal were injury-riddled enough that the Blackhawks couldn't wait to unload him, but any trade where you acquired Zyuzin should be considered a lost move irrespective of what you sent away. Aucoin was a respectable, if overpaid, third paring D in 07/08, and he was a solid partner for Robyn Regehr on the Flames' first pair in 08/09. 

From a cap perspective, the deal was just OK, largely because Aucoin was used as a third pairing defenceman for roughly half his tenure with the Flames. His 07/08 was not unlike Cory Sarich's last two years with Calgary, in that Aucoin was fine in his role, but you can't really pay that kind of money for a 5th/6th D. The Flames were able to add his salary and Sarich's in the summer of '07 largely because 07/08 was the last relatively inexpensive season for Phaneuf, Huselius, Kiprusoff and Langkow. Again, like adding Tanguay, the Flames had enough space that adding Aucoin for Zyuzin was manageable. 

 

2008: Tanguay for Cammalleri (in practical terms)

 

The summer of '08 was where the financial rubber hit the road for the the Flames. Phaneuf, Kiprusoff and Langkow had market-value deals, Aucoin and Sarich were expensive adds the year before, and the club didn't have any chance at keeping Kristian Huselius. Huselius' loss left the Flames looking thin in the top-six, and they really only had one big-ticket player left that they were willing to move. That player was Alex Tanguay, and he was more or less exchanged for Mike Cammalleri at the draft. On ice, as much as I admire what Alex Tanguay provided the Flames, they didn't exactly take a step back with Cammalleri in the lineup. 

Beyond the production that Cammalleri provided on a personal level, the other potential benefit to that move, for me at least, was the splitting of cap space. Tanguay was making 5.25 million, while Cammalleri's hit for 08/09 was 3.35 million. That 1.9 million should have, at least in theory, allowed Darryl Sutter to get one more useful forward. The fact that the Flames spent that money on Todd Bertuzzi was slightly wholly demented, but given the cap squeeze the club was in the premise behind the move was sound. I don't want to revisit all the arguments about Mike Cammalleri's long-term value, or how the Flames bet on the wrong horse (Joker) at the '09 deadline, but I will say this; Mike Cammalleri was fair value and then some for that 3.35 million dollar cap hit in 08/09. Combined with the fact that Alex Tanguay wasn't quite up to his usual standards in Montreal because of injury, the Flames did OK in the specific transaction, and what happened subsequent to those draft-day trades is fodder for another time. As an aside, if you'd told me last June that Jordan Leopold was going to be in a better bargaining position than Alex Tanguay this summer, I would have been very surprised, but given Leo's good year and Tanguay's continuing struggles, here we are. Strange world, sometimes.

Summing up, from an on-ice POV, Darryl Sutter got the better player three times out of three, but the move that was likely the best was the Cammalleri move, since the Flames needed to re-allocate salary rather than simply take on money from another team. You can always get a useful player if you don't mind over-paying, as in the Aucoin situation, or if another team is under the gun, as Colorado was in the summer of '06. Getting a good player and saving money is more of a challenge, no?

This summer, I suspect that the best that we can hope for from the Flames would be a few outright salary dumps, but later this week I'll have a look at potential value for Flames on the current roster beyond the Three Amigos (Kotalik, Sarich, Staios).

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#1 Kent Wilson
June 22 2010, 02:39PM
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The only thing that disappointed be about the Tanguay and Cammalleri "swap" was that we couldn't keep them both (for salary and coaching related reasons).

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#2 Luc
June 22 2010, 02:39PM
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im dissapointed that we couldnt put together a decent package to get Nathan Horton. i love his style of play.

but who was going to top bostons proposal. boston is going to be a freaking good team next year. scary.

go sutter go.

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#3 Kent Wilson
June 22 2010, 02:41PM
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Luc wrote:

im dissapointed that we couldnt put together a decent package to get Nathan Horton. i love his style of play.

but who was going to top bostons proposal. boston is going to be a freaking good team next year. scary.

go sutter go.

No kidding. They'll add Horton and one of Seguin/Hall before free agency even starts, without giving up anything of real value.

If they can move Thomas, things will get real scary.

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#4 Luc
June 22 2010, 02:42PM
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they are no longer going to be competing with us for least goals for hahaha

man i hope sutter pulls something outta his a$$. at this point im ready for anything.

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#5 B
June 22 2010, 03:44PM
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@Luc

...I really, Really, REALLY hope Langkow, Sarich, and Staios are part of draft day or pre-draft deals.

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#6 dustin642
June 22 2010, 05:48PM
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With all the NHL news that happened recently (especially today) things are really looking good for the Flames. There are a lot of teams looking for defensemen. Mr. White and Mr. Sarich and even Mr. Staios might be able to get us something that will fill one of our many holes.

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#7 marty
June 22 2010, 07:31PM
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I hope we don't get rid of lanks i think if he is healthy he can have a bounce back season. in saying that though i guess if we can either dump the salary or get a decent replacement maybe it could happen. Kent do you think that if they do draft seguin tho that either savy or patrice could be moved? they would probably be looking for a puck moving offensive dman? just wondering your thoughts. good article

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#8 Kent Wilson
June 22 2010, 07:48PM
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marty wrote:

I hope we don't get rid of lanks i think if he is healthy he can have a bounce back season. in saying that though i guess if we can either dump the salary or get a decent replacement maybe it could happen. Kent do you think that if they do draft seguin tho that either savy or patrice could be moved? they would probably be looking for a puck moving offensive dman? just wondering your thoughts. good article

That'll depend on whether they keep him in junior or not. He's just a kid still and the Bruin don't exactly need to rush him.

That said, if he looks like he'll make the team, they may want to deal Savard. I don't see the Flames having the assets to acquire him though.

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#9 walkinvisible
June 22 2010, 09:29PM
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i've thoroughly prepared myself for sutter to deal ian white to regain a top rounder plus a roster guy (not a GOOD roster guy but y'know). there will be a deal before the second round is done, i would bet on it.

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#10 SmellOfVictory
June 22 2010, 09:41PM
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Kent Wilson wrote:

That'll depend on whether they keep him in junior or not. He's just a kid still and the Bruin don't exactly need to rush him.

That said, if he looks like he'll make the team, they may want to deal Savard. I don't see the Flames having the assets to acquire him though.

Why Savard? I thought he was Boston's golden boy. If a center is being moved from Boston and they do need a puck moving D-man, White being traded for any of Krejci/Savard/Bergeron would be pretty easy to stomach, even though I've grown kind of attached to the guy.

Of the three centres, how would you rank them in terms of ability/desirability, Kent? I know you're a big Bergeron fan, at least.

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#11 RossCreekNation
June 22 2010, 10:46PM
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I get the sense that Savard could be the odd guy out. I also get the sense that the Bruins would love to add a puck-moving d-mn. Ian White? Perhaps. Tomas Kaberle... hm. Does Burke deal Kaberle to the Bruins for Phil Kessel's set-up guy. I wouldn't bet against it.

BTW, what's the deal with Savard's contract? That looks like quite a steep drop-off after year 4... even more than I thought was allowed.

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#12 Kent Wilson
June 22 2010, 10:53PM
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SmellOfVictory wrote:

Why Savard? I thought he was Boston's golden boy. If a center is being moved from Boston and they do need a puck moving D-man, White being traded for any of Krejci/Savard/Bergeron would be pretty easy to stomach, even though I've grown kind of attached to the guy.

Of the three centres, how would you rank them in terms of ability/desirability, Kent? I know you're a big Bergeron fan, at least.

Savard is the most expensive (in real dollars) and oldest amongst the centers. He's still quality, but if one guy is going, it makes sense for it to be him. He's got his worst years ahead of him, not his best.

Bergeron is currently the pick of the litter. He's a legit Selke candidate this year, he's 24 and his contract is good value.

I don't rate Krejci that high, personally, but he's also just 24 and his contract is pretty favorable.

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#13 rod blogojevich
June 23 2010, 12:56AM
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But Kent, do you think Bergeron is expendable because of Krejci? Personally I think Krejci is a hell of a player, but what do I know... Which of those two would you rather have?

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#14 marcus
June 23 2010, 03:39AM
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Things are heating up. Great post and commentary all.

Oh yeah and Roger Millions is clearly awesome.

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#15 Luc
June 23 2010, 12:32PM
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what about jordan staal?? possibility?

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#16 Kent Wilson
June 23 2010, 12:42PM
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Luc wrote:

what about jordan staal?? possibility?

I'd love to have Jordan Staal. I find the rumored deal of Regehr+Nystrom very difficult to believe.

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#17 B
June 23 2010, 01:32PM
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...Staal for White, Neimsz, and a 3rd...maybe. For Nystrom and Regher, ouch, that would be a crap trap for the Pens. Although Regher is a good stay at home D, I wouldn't pay 4 million for a 30 year old stay at home D in todays NHL. Depends if the Pens are able to sign Gonchar back. But this is all obviously just speculation.

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#18 Luc
June 24 2010, 09:52AM
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im way more excited this year then any other. i think its because we expect sutter to do SOMETHING, and they anticipation is killing me haha

but i do also beleive that he will not dissapoint.

i beleive we will be getting a legitmate player within the next week.

i hope its staal cuz i think having that young talent could be nothing but good for us. but we will see

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#19 R O
June 24 2010, 04:25PM
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My main interest in any trades or transactions this weekend is this: more good forwards, not less, please.

Especially with all of the complaints about Calgary scoring. Though these are mostly exaggerated I think, the key to scoring is getting scoring chances and then having enough guys hit their career norms in SH%, or near-as. Calgary wasn't too bad at controlling the play, though they definitely could have been better.

Still, the Flames could use more good forwards. Not less.

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#20 R O
June 24 2010, 04:34PM
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Not sure I'd be thrilled about acquiring Staal but I suppose the Flames could do worse. I would have preferred Pavelski but Wilson is just too damn good of a GM.

I don't think it's possible to get Bergeron. Wolski would have been a dream, damn $3.8M is a steal.

Realistically, I'd be happy if they just kept Langkow, re-signed Higgins and let White walk. It's a realistic endgame and one that keeps the Flames in a nice place, IMO.

BTW I think much is being made of ATL-CHI. CHI needed cap dollars and ATL needed real players and they got both, and didn't give up much either way (those draft picks in particular aren't worth much).

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#21 Kent Wilson
June 24 2010, 04:48PM
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R O wrote:

Not sure I'd be thrilled about acquiring Staal but I suppose the Flames could do worse. I would have preferred Pavelski but Wilson is just too damn good of a GM.

I don't think it's possible to get Bergeron. Wolski would have been a dream, damn $3.8M is a steal.

Realistically, I'd be happy if they just kept Langkow, re-signed Higgins and let White walk. It's a realistic endgame and one that keeps the Flames in a nice place, IMO.

BTW I think much is being made of ATL-CHI. CHI needed cap dollars and ATL needed real players and they got both, and didn't give up much either way (those draft picks in particular aren't worth much).

I don't rate any of the players ATL acquired, Byfuglien included. He's "indifferent" at ES at best and he's the best piece going to the Thrasers.

It makes way more sense from a CHI perspective to me.

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#22 marty
June 24 2010, 06:26PM
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Kent Wilson wrote:

That'll depend on whether they keep him in junior or not. He's just a kid still and the Bruin don't exactly need to rush him.

That said, if he looks like he'll make the team, they may want to deal Savard. I don't see the Flames having the assets to acquire him though.

no i don't either and his extension that kicks in is a lil too long for my liking. or maybe we convince them that they need a leader someone who can lead all day and we send staios to them and put kotalik in his gear bag and say no return-sy's.

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