Draft Day Two - Open Thread
Kent Wilson
June 26 2010 09:19AM
After the disappointing non-evnt that was day one fo the draft for Calgary fans, there's some anticipation that Sutter will make at least one or two minor moves on day two, be it in the form of moving picks or dumping salary. If not, at least the Flames will actually be making picks.
Updates and reactions will be added to this thread as things happen.
UPDATE - Perhaps the good news for the Flames is that there was a lot of unexpected "reaches" in the first round, meaning a bunch of quality players got bumped down the order. John McFarland, Stanislav Galiev, Tyler Pitlick, Jon Merril, Alex Pterovic, Brad Ross, Kirrill Kabanov, Jordan Weal, Tyler Toffoli and Justin Falk were all considered decent bets to be top 30 picks themselves. With that much quality still around, hopefully Sutter can take advantage today.
- For those unaware, the Flames picks today are: 64, 73, 104, 108, 133, 163 and 193
2nd round:
- EDM - Tyler Pitlick
- BOS - Jared Knight
- FLA - John McFarland
- CBJ - dalton Smith
- CHI Ludvig Renfeldt (first swede!)
- FLA - Alex Petrovic
- CAR - Justin Falk
- NJD - Jon Merril
- MIN - Brett Bulmer
- NYR - Christian Thomas
- DAL - Patrik Nemeth
- ANA - Devante Pelley-Smith
- TOR - Brad Ross
- STL - Sebastion Wannstrom
- BOS - Ryan Spooner
- EDM - Martin Marincin
- COL - Calvin Pickard
- FLA - Connor Brickley
- DET - Calle Jarnkrok (great name)
- PHX - Philip Lane
- CAR - Mark Alt
- CHI - Justin Holl
- CBJ - Peter Straka
- MIN - Johan Larsson
- PHX - Oscar Lindberg
- CHI - Kent Simpson (CHI third pick of the second round)
- MIN - Jason Zucker
- CHI - Stephen Johns
Flames indeed fail to move up into the second round.
3rd round:
- EDM - Ryan Martindale
- TOR - Gregg McKegg
- TBL - Brock Beukeboom
- CGY - Maxwell Reinhart
- NYI - Kirrill Kabanov
- CAR - Danny Biega
- BUF -Jerome Leduc-Gauthier
- FLA - Joe Basaraba
- LAK - Jordan Weal
- COL - Micheal Bournival
- TBL - Adam Janosik
- CGY - Joey Leach
- STL - Max Gardiner
- BUF - Kevin Sundher
- OTT - Jakub Culek
- DAL - Alex Guptill
- NSH - Taylor Arnason
- TOR - Sondre Olden
- PIT - Bryan Rust
- DET - Louis-Marc Aubry
- NYI - Jason Clark
- BUF - Matt McKenzie
- NJD - Scott Wedgewood
- CAR - Austin Levi
- WSH - Stanislav Galiev
- ATL - Julien Melchiori
- SJS - Max Gaede
- PHI - Micheal Caput
- CHI - Joakim Nordstrom
Arnold is apparently like Dave Bolland. Captained the US U-17 team and was actually rated pretty high according to CS.
With only 3rd round picks I didn't imagine too many awe-inspiring endgames today.
So in sum, a very mediocre #64 and a most-likely-illusory #73 that I am nevertheless fairly happy with due to the mindset involved (find out if the gaudy number means something, at little cost), and a couple guys I don't know in the 4th round.
I don't know, we didn't trade Lanks and didn't acquire Spezza and didn't aqcuire the rights to yet another defenceman. I think that's about the most we could have hoped going into today. Can't win them all.
I was really hoping to see a salary dump frankly. See: Cory Sarich. That's the most disappointing part to me.
so since darryl hasn't done anything yesterday and today does that mean we can expect a busy canada day???
I will say this - a day like today makes me wish we still had Boyd.
Yup. It reiterates how rare it is to get someone like him in the third round. I don't even know if he'll progress beyond what he is, but it's better to have him than not.
I was really hoping to see a salary dump frankly. See: Cory Sarich. That's the most disappointing part to me.
That would have been nice. Although I think maybe you undervalue Sarich (unless there's an injury, possible but not certain) although that brings us again to our conversation yesterday about the relative uselessness of defensive depth.
I would have preferred to dump Kotalik, I like watching his game but he just doesn't deliver.
But, the team didn't get immediately and irreversibly worse like the CP ogres wanted it to. Small victories.
Ouch, so pessimistic. Come on they are only 17-18, hopefully they progress more than Boyd. (Here's to being an optimistic fan...)
Sure, these kids could turn out...but Boyd is the best 3rd round offensive talent the Flames have drafted since, uh...I don't know when.
Sarich got murdered by the scoring chances this year... right up until he got moved to the third pairing with Giordano. He's not a top pairing guy anymore and given the Flames stable of defenders, I'd much rather move him and give his dollars to White or some upgrade up front.
It really depends on what he does before that, actually. If he re-signs Higgins and White and doesn't clear up some big time cap room, the Flames could be spectators in July as well.
Sarich got murdered by the scoring chances this year... right up until he got moved to the third pairing with Giordano. He's not a top pairing guy anymore and given the Flames stable of defenders, I'd much rather move him and give his dollars to White or some upgrade up front.
Yeah. It sucked to see. Though the track record... you know how I am about that, Sarich was a decent EV defenceman there for a while
I understand, but his track record with the Flames post-lockout is fairly pedestrian. He's gone through a couple of coaches and never been consistently leaned on to take on the big boys. That says something, as does his lackluster results any time he makes his way into the top 4. I think he's an NHLer and I think he can kill on the third pairing, but we're paying him way too much to do that.
I like the Bill Arnold pick. Seems like a good choice relative to the position... is Ramage an overager? my rudimentary adding skills seem to indicate that he's 19?
Flames take Micheal Ferland:
http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=119077
Sounds like a tough guy more than anything. First link that comes up on google when you search for him is hockeyfights.
Meh.
Yeah he is. He was passed over last year.
Ramage wasn't picked in 2009.
oh right.. I keep forgetting about higgins for some reason. I think I was expecting too much from them this weekend (I guess there is still time) but I have to say I'm extremely bored and very unimpressed.
LAK got some good value picks. Toffoli in the 2nd and Weal in the 3rd. Both quality offensive players in junior.
Yeah, I think that's a common reaction.
and they did well the past few years too. (Kozun & Jones) They're going to be scary in the coming years.
Im surprised the Flames haven't grabbed a Swede yet.
Wow, what an atrocious draft. Sutter seems to be picking guys at random.
This is a carbon copy of the last draft, only without the high upside players we have been getting in the first couple rounds.
I didn't think it would be possible to be less excited for the future of the Flames.
Actually, I liked the last few drafts more. This one was far more in-line with pre-2007 drafts. That is, as far as we can tell right now.
Agreed, the last couple drafts Sutter was at least able to pull a couple nice picks in the first two rounds.
If you can't pick in those rounds, why not swing for the fences in the later rounds. Weal, Pulkinnen, Kabanov, Rutkowski.
Blurgh. This is the opposite of progress.
Dissapointment reigns supreme
Yeah. Weal was a guy I really hoped the team would take a chance on.
Flames have apparently trade a late rounder to the Sharks...for a goalie.
We just grabbed a swede goalie of SJ for 163rd.
Henrik Carlsson.
Yeah. Can't find any info on him.
Ahh...apparently the last name is "Karlsson"
Cause it's *Karlsson. My mistake. 5'5 215 27 years old. Looks like we have a new backup.
*6'5
He's 6'6" and already 27 years old. Not sure what the purpose of that move is. That said, a 6th rounder is basically useless anyways.
@dotfras
WOOT mistakes!!
Five foot five and two-fifteen? I guess he blocks the bottom of the net by girth alone ;-)
Sorry guys, typos galore today.
Karlsson will probably get a look in training camp, but he has exactly zero NHL experience.
Calagry's 7th round pick was Patrick Holland of Tri-City. RW, 6', 167.
From Mark Spector's twitter account:
Calgary GM Darryl Sutter tells us he's not actively seeking a centre for Jarome Iginla. Until he lands one, of course.
No real indication of the direction that Sutter is taking. It's wait and see on the draft picks, but I am concerned that we didn't dump any salaries.
Biggest news, the potential backup in Karlsson, no NHL experience, but worth a look in training camp. Not sure that we really had the cap space to sign a more established guy anyway.
Overall a disappointing draft, guess we are used to Sutter pulling something out of the hat and making a splash.
@Kent Wilson
if the russian mob had a pick in the first round he would have been gone!!!
And...Kent Wilson speaks as if he actually knows what he's talking about.
Sounds about right ;)
jj Wilson we all love you.
The Flames scouts don't get the benefit of the doubt from me. The team has been one of the worst drafting clubs in the league over the last decade. They've proven over and over that they don't have some magical ability to go off board and pick-up NHL quality players. It's been mostly the opposite in fact. So when they do go off board, I'm skeptical. If they prove me wrong, great.