Draft Day Two - Open Thread
Kent Wilson
June 26 2010 09:19AM
After the disappointing non-evnt that was day one fo the draft for Calgary fans, there's some anticipation that Sutter will make at least one or two minor moves on day two, be it in the form of moving picks or dumping salary. If not, at least the Flames will actually be making picks.
Updates and reactions will be added to this thread as things happen.
UPDATE - Perhaps the good news for the Flames is that there was a lot of unexpected "reaches" in the first round, meaning a bunch of quality players got bumped down the order. John McFarland, Stanislav Galiev, Tyler Pitlick, Jon Merril, Alex Pterovic, Brad Ross, Kirrill Kabanov, Jordan Weal, Tyler Toffoli and Justin Falk were all considered decent bets to be top 30 picks themselves. With that much quality still around, hopefully Sutter can take advantage today.
- For those unaware, the Flames picks today are: 64, 73, 104, 108, 133, 163 and 193
2nd round:
- EDM - Tyler Pitlick
- BOS - Jared Knight
- FLA - John McFarland
- CBJ - dalton Smith
- CHI Ludvig Renfeldt (first swede!)
- FLA - Alex Petrovic
- CAR - Justin Falk
- NJD - Jon Merril
- MIN - Brett Bulmer
- NYR - Christian Thomas
- DAL - Patrik Nemeth
- ANA - Devante Pelley-Smith
- TOR - Brad Ross
- STL - Sebastion Wannstrom
- BOS - Ryan Spooner
- EDM - Martin Marincin
- COL - Calvin Pickard
- FLA - Connor Brickley
- DET - Calle Jarnkrok (great name)
- PHX - Philip Lane
- CAR - Mark Alt
- CHI - Justin Holl
- CBJ - Peter Straka
- MIN - Johan Larsson
- PHX - Oscar Lindberg
- CHI - Kent Simpson (CHI third pick of the second round)
- MIN - Jason Zucker
- CHI - Stephen Johns
Flames indeed fail to move up into the second round.
3rd round:
- EDM - Ryan Martindale
- TOR - Gregg McKegg
- TBL - Brock Beukeboom
- CGY - Maxwell Reinhart
- NYI - Kirrill Kabanov
- CAR - Danny Biega
- BUF -Jerome Leduc-Gauthier
- FLA - Joe Basaraba
- LAK - Jordan Weal
- COL - Micheal Bournival
- TBL - Adam Janosik
- CGY - Joey Leach
- STL - Max Gardiner
- BUF - Kevin Sundher
- OTT - Jakub Culek
- DAL - Alex Guptill
- NSH - Taylor Arnason
- TOR - Sondre Olden
- PIT - Bryan Rust
- DET - Louis-Marc Aubry
- NYI - Jason Clark
- BUF - Matt McKenzie
- NJD - Scott Wedgewood
- CAR - Austin Levi
- WSH - Stanislav Galiev
- ATL - Julien Melchiori
- SJS - Max Gaede
- PHI - Micheal Caput
- CHI - Joakim Nordstrom
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I hear there's streaming on NHL.com, can't find it though. Would it even be worth watching, or is the radio sufficient?
I think the radio is sufficient.
I'd take the risk personally, but the Flames won't. They flat out don't take Russians.
There is a rumor from the rumor mill of Eklund that the Langkow + Regehr for Spezza deal might be revisited today. I am not really sure how I feel about that deal IF it does go through. How do you feel about it??
Allright, so what are our picks this year? I know they don't start until the 3rd - but what are our picks?
@dustin642
How could you not like it? We shed dead weight for a guy who even in a bad year would be one of the top scorers on the team.
With the rights of Hamhuis going to Pittsburgh, I think there probably was some discussion sending Regehr to Pittsburgh.
See the post above.
If Eklund says it, that means we can stick a fork in that deal.
How could you not like it? We shed dead weight for a guy who even in a bad year would be one of the top scorers on the team.
Dead weight eh? Yeah, okay. I would love to see your video-game team. Malkin, Spezza, Lecavalier, Jokinen up the middle, right? How could you possibly choose amongst these elite FIRST-LINE centres, they are all just terrific scorers with big bodies and good-looking in jeans to boot.
Recent history with the home team doesn't even hint at the possibility that maybe context of icetime matters.
Hey Kent, do you think there is anything to the Spezza to Cgy rumor? If so, the Flames would have to move some serious cap dollars to Ottawa wouldn't they? Thanks.
Steinberg says Sutter has told him there's no apparent path into the second round for the Flames.
Of course, anything Sutter says to the media is immediately suspect.
I think Spezza is available and it wouldn't surprise me if Sutter has inquired.
That said, the Flames have so many NTC's and so few other assets (picks, prospects) that any prospective deal would have to cut deep. It would also have to involve getting at least one guy to say "yes" to being traded.
Lots of moving pieces in that trade. And there's no guarantee it would make the team better, depending on who is going the other way.
Ahh, I must have commented before the post was up ;)
ssuuuuurrrre.
Edmonton takes Pitlick and Boston goes with Jared Knight. I'll likely keep adding picks to the post above as they come down.
Looks like the Oilers wanted their "McSorley" to go with their "Gretzky". The Oil were after McIrath pretty badly apparently.
Lowetide was certain the Oilers were going after McIlrath. He's a guy that looks like a draft day jeans model (sexy because he's tough and big, but not all that great a player), but we'll see.
I should just say, I really hate that Calgary Puck crowd. It was a piss-off to start seeing them infiltrate M&G, here too.
I mean when I see the "dead-weight" label applied to really terrific even-strength players like Regehr and Langkow... it just reminds me of what is wrong with 95% of fanbases (i.e. everything).
TSN talking heads said the deal fell through with the Panthers for #15 because McIlrath was picked.
I'm with you on this one. Watching Regehr and Langkow night in and night out you can TELL they are elite players on the ice.
One year out of the playoffs and apparently everyone is garbage.
To be fair to Calpuck...that's not limited to them. or any given messageboard for that matter. And to be fair to fans in general, they are fed a lot of pablum by the analysts they watch on TV and such. The Sportsnet panel lauded the Staios trade when it came down for instance.
Looks like the Russians are really falling. Too bad our Farmer-leader won't touch them.
They may be given the kool-aid, but they don't have to drink it.
Yup, Kabanov might just reach the third round.
To be fair to Calpuck...that's not limited to them. or any given messageboard for that matter.
Yeah, it's also HFBoards, the FAN, SportsNet, TSN, CBC, on and on. It's frustrating as hell, I like talking/reading about hockey but there's so few places to do it.
If he is there, it's completely worth the gamble with one of those two picks. The chances of a third rounder panning out are pretty low.
I don't think it's kool-aid drinking necessarily (though many fans are motivated to spin things as positively ass possible all the time). It's just not understanding the degree to which ice-time context matters when it comes to results. In addition, most don't consider the role of randomness and how chance can influence not only point totals but perceptions.
Some will hand-wave this type of analysis outright, of course, because it seems so outside what's been talked about by analysts for some long. But I find there's another contingent that is open to it once they're exposed.
"He" being Kabanov.
Savard's waived his NMC to go to 1 of 2 teams?
If he is there, it's completely worth the gamble with one of those two picks. The chances of a third rounder panning out are pretty low.
Just Googled Kabanov, PPG player in Junior but over 22 games. And he is tall.
I have no idea what his situation is re: what are his scouted skills and such. I heard on the radio that he has "discipline problems". Is that pretty much the nitty and gritty of it? Am I missing any games played and accompanying offensive production?
Yup. No question I'd gamble on Kabanov in the third. It's swinging for the fences, but it's worth a shot.
Allright, 18 picks out from our first pick.
What are some of the top rated guys not selected that could potentially fall to us?
Dismissed from his junior team and the Russian U18 club this year. Multiple agents already. I suspect the NHL opinion of him would be "head case".
He got benched in the playoffs by his coach owing to those "problems". Then he had a falling out with his agent prior to the draft and was dropped, which is a pretty big red flag (probably moreso with Russian players). I don't think the public has gotten all the info, but pretty much all the negatives against him are about his attitude.
Jordan Weal is still on the board. Only other 17 year old in the CHL to score 100+ points besides the top 2 guys.
Weal? Toffoli?
@Kent Wilson
Nice, is he just small?
Supposedly. Cmon Flames!
Yup. Like 5'9" I think.
Toffoli's gone.
Weal still out there. Kozun type?
Weal Galiev Kabanov
still out there.
At the price of a 3rd I think it'd be worthwhile to see whether Weal had a hand on the wheel of the bus that the 19-year-old Eberle was likely steering.
Not saying that Eberle is the second coming (he may be, but he may not be) but he's 19 in junior, big advantage.
That huge QUALTEAM component was/is probably why teams are staying away from him right now.
Willis' look at Weal here:
http://blogs.thescore.com/nhl/2010/06/19/nhl-draft-15-jordan-weal/
Toad Buton said they have a strategy for Kabanov
Yup. There's a very real chance that Weal's results are significantly inflated by Eberle.
*Shudder*
All I can picture is Zajac - Chucko
@Robert Cleave
If the RUSSIANS think he is a head case....then we should probably stay away.
We don't have a great history with Russians OR Headcases. Ryder. Tarathukin.
Being a third rounder changes the risk-reward structure. Any kid with above average skill or results by the third round should be taken I think.