Flames Hire Jay Feaster as Assistant GM

Kent Wilson
July 08 2010 04:05PM

 

 

According to twitter reports, it looks like Sutter has found someone willing to make balloon animals. Ironically, it's Jay Feaster, the GM of the Tampa Bay Lightning team that defeated the Flames in the 2004 Stanley Cup finals.

That sounds like a good resume, of course, but frankly I'm unimpressed by Feaster. His team slid into terrible territory soon after winning the cup and his writings at the Hockey News since being deposed have caused me to both laugh derisively and raise my eyebrows more than once.

So, yeah...color me less than thrilled.

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#1 rubbertrout
July 08 2010, 05:07PM
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@R O

More offensive zone starts gives you a much better chance of being in on scoring chances. I don't think that he's a bad player by any stretch of the imagination. I just don't like the length and value of the contract for what he brings. That isn't value for dollars.

EDIT: Plus Richards only has one year left. His next contract won't be the same length or value as Gomez's

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#2 B
July 08 2010, 05:34PM
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Brett wrote:

How can you consider hiring someone who's won a Cup and has GM experience to be a bad hire? Sometimes people just like to be miserable...

...I agree. Flamesnation is full of cranks. I'm almost through with this board. Someone, give me a reason to stay, please. Most of these punks will have Flames flags on their cars when the Flames are HOT HOT HOT next year. Adios bandwagon punks!

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#3 CP is garbage
July 09 2010, 12:21AM
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@SmellOfVictory

please. Kent's 'analysis' is as one sided as you can find.

it's one thing to sit in front of a computer for 12 hrs. a day comparing corsi ratings, it is another to actually know more about the people you openly criticize.

has Kent ever spoken to Daryll Sutter? probably not.

has he spoken to Jarome Iginla? doubtful.

has he spoken to Clarke Wilm? no. who has Kent spoken to? good question.

has he ever been in an NHL dressing room? maybe on a tour in the offseason.

has he ever even played hockey at a half way respectalbe level? probably not.

does Kent write blogs and then goes to Stienberg's house to play dungeons and dragons? probable.

I understand the criticism of the flames and their management. they deserve it. but since I have started to read this blog I can't count the times in which Kent has given flames management the benefit of the doubt. not once. clearly there is an agenda here, and to what end? none whatsoever. don't know why I waste my time reading these highly predictable blogs.

further more Kent sports a d-bag alt rocker goatee. that alone should discredit almost everything he has to say.

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#4 John F
July 09 2010, 08:59AM
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I do lie some of the ojective analysis that Kent provides ut very much refer more balance. I too queston some of the moves toward the end of lst year ut also balance it with some positive moves. Iggy said he felt the scoring was upgraded on this team at low cost. Nystrom in an interview fter he signed with Minny was asked aout the Flames moves this year said he thought they were great moves and elieves Jokinen is a high end talent who he thinks will ounce back.

I can handle negativity ut this sight seems to have become a magnet for those who want to vent their anger constntly and continually. If as a Flames fan I ever feel likeI'm getting a bit too otimistic I can come here and spend 2 minutes and cure that in a hurry. If someone could create a site with some of the good analysis ut more balance let me know-I`m ready to moe on as well.

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#5 JT
July 09 2010, 09:45AM
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I would have to agree with post #29 by Drew. I have only been coming to flames nation for the past few months and i doubt i'll be back. It is a very negative site towards the Calgary Flames, analytical yes but the posters are the negative ones. Everyone in here thinks they could be the GM of a NHL team and i doubt your name would even be in a whisper of conversation so give Feaster the credit he deserves. We always talk about our Flames of '04 and how good they were, well this guys team beat us. (technically yes, but we all know "it was in") All the debacle that went on in TB i don't rest entirely on Feaster. He was just the figure head, the fall guy for their ownership problems. I personally am willing to give the guy a chance because i think he deserves a chance. I understand everyone's entitled to their opinions, but i won't be reading them anymore on this site...

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#6 Robert Cleave
July 08 2010, 04:17PM
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My snark-free assessment is that this might be Feaster's rehab job to get him back in the conversation for a future GM position. From a Flame POV, meh.

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#7 R O
July 08 2010, 04:21PM
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Personally I think it will be therapeutic to be able to bust out the Ass-Man label now and again.

Oh, the hockey side? Agree with Cleave, meh. I doubt Sutter will let someone usurp his power. If it so happens that Sutter gets overthrown... then we got bigger problems than the fact that it's Jay Feaster in the hot seat(i.e. owner meddling, *never* a good thing)

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#8 Domebeers.com
July 08 2010, 04:22PM
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Kent, Im listening to the radio right now and they are going 'what a great hire'. Mostly, it appears, because he talks to the media. What a qualification.

Im with you, I dont think this is a great hire. This is the guy who ruined his team by giving all the jack to 3 forwards and Dan Boyle and forgot to get a goalie.

Terrible move. Why are they hiring people who have been fired for not being able to be an effective GM?

Darryl Sutter gets another retread. Awesome.

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#9 Bob
July 08 2010, 04:22PM
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Something isn't right. The Flames barely acknowldge the role of Michael Holditch, though they still list him as an AGM in the press release. I think some have Holditch taking the blame for the cap crunch prior to the 2009 play-offs and don't be surprised if he eventually follows some scouts to the unemployment line.

As for Feaster himself, I agree with Kent. While Jay did a nice job of piecing together a team that did well for itself from 2002 to 2006, it quickly fell apart, partially due to signing of long term contracts with no trades and bad scouting (remind you of anything?).

This is not a knock on Jay as a person, I have long suspected that the Flames (i.e. Ken King) would want someone more media friendly to handle a lot of Q & A in order for Darryl and his apparent disdain for us to stay out of the public limelight. This is where Jay shines. He is a genuinely nice person and he welcomes the media and fans to inquire about his team. His decision making is what is the issue, as that was what led to his downfall so soon after their Stanley Cup victory. The issue some may have with this is did the Flames just hire a "yes man" for Darryl?

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#10 R O
July 08 2010, 04:24PM
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Personally I don't at all mind the strategy of giving big $ to a few players, it has to be the right players though.

Richards at 7.8, well the number is a bit wonky but he's at least a true difference-maker. I'd pay it, just like I'd pay 7 to Gomez. St. Louis is a pretty good forward too. It's Lecavalier who kills that team time and again.

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#12 R O
July 08 2010, 04:28PM
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Just to clarify, I think Feaster has done some pretty dumb moves in management. It would be pretty stupid if Feaster was our GM now, but as I see it the status quo has not been disturbed much here.

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#14 R O
July 08 2010, 04:41PM
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Yeah, Kent, Feaster will ensure that if we can't have substance then we'll at least have style.

Though who knows. Sutter's a douche but I doubt this dude's any better. I'd probably prefer Sutter's approach to the ball-licking that some of these clowns will engage in with the media, anyway.

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#15 rubbertrout
July 08 2010, 04:46PM
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R O wrote:

Personally I don't at all mind the strategy of giving big $ to a few players, it has to be the right players though.

Richards at 7.8, well the number is a bit wonky but he's at least a true difference-maker. I'd pay it, just like I'd pay 7 to Gomez. St. Louis is a pretty good forward too. It's Lecavalier who kills that team time and again.

You lost me when you said you'd pay 7M to Gomez.

Richards is an overpay but at least he produces offensively.

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#16 R O
July 08 2010, 04:49PM
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You lost me when you said you'd pay 7M to Gomez. Richards is an overpay but at least he produces offensively.

I don't know if Gomez doesn't produce offensively.

http://enattendantlesnordiques.blogspot.com/

All the scoring chance stuff I've ever read here points to a guy who'll kill his opposition in scoring chances.

Granted Gomez has a pretty unique context of icetime IMO. I don't watch MTL much but going off of Olivier's stuff and BTN's charts it seems he plays tough opposition but with wildly inflated OFF zone starts relative to the rest of the team. More so than even the offensive stars like Crosby, Ovechkin and Thornton.

Still, a tough-opposition-man who can play in all situations and produce a goodly amount of scoring chances for his team? I'll take it. Those don't come around very often.

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#17 jeremywilhelm
July 08 2010, 05:07PM
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Feaster never gave Lecavalier his contract. He quite 2 days before it was even announced.

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#18 jay
July 08 2010, 05:17PM
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we want improvement and this is what they come up with, well i can live with it. Daryl is the most unfriendly media guy i've ever seen. this gay may, at least, give us, the fans , some sort of acknowledgement. that said i don't think daryl will pay too much heed to the guy who ends up getting his coffee. in my opinion a few upper upper management changes need to be made, starting at GM and above.

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#19 bill
July 08 2010, 05:20PM
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So pretty much here was the interview

Sutter: blah blah blah don't cross me blah blah blah

Feaster: Okay

Sutter: Talk to the media

Feaster: okay

Sutter: don't cross me

Feaster: okay

Sutter: Make sure to mention all our "prospects", and talk about how we need to infuse young players in the line up, but keep recycling old farts.

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#20 Brett
July 08 2010, 05:22PM
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How can you consider hiring someone who's won a Cup and has GM experience to be a bad hire? Sometimes people just like to be miserable...

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#21 flames fan
July 08 2010, 05:34PM
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I wish I were half as smart as Kent thinks he is.

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#22 R O
July 08 2010, 05:37PM
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Feaster signed Lecav to his 6.875*4 contract which was just as much of an albatross given the salary cap coming out of the lockout.

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#23 Gange
July 08 2010, 06:38PM
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R O wrote:

Feaster signed Lecav to his 6.875*4 contract which was just as much of an albatross given the salary cap coming out of the lockout.

That is SUPER easy to say in hindsight. Of course at the time he was a top ten player in the league. I'm not convinced that he isn't one right now. Yeah, he did have a bad year though.

Is he the greatest GM that ever lived? No. Did he put together a competitive team that eventually lost a stanley cup in game 6 to the Flames (revisionist history in effect)? The reality is that had he not paid LeCavalier someone would have.

The reality is that he is a serviceable GM candidate who will be fine in an AGM role. Personally I'm glad to see someone completely opposite of Darryl as AGM

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#24 Canucks Suck
July 08 2010, 06:53PM
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he looks like he's enjoyed a feaster two

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#25 Dion
July 08 2010, 06:57PM
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Domebeers.com wrote:

Kent, Im listening to the radio right now and they are going 'what a great hire'. Mostly, it appears, because he talks to the media. What a qualification.

Im with you, I dont think this is a great hire. This is the guy who ruined his team by giving all the jack to 3 forwards and Dan Boyle and forgot to get a goalie.

Terrible move. Why are they hiring people who have been fired for not being able to be an effective GM?

Darryl Sutter gets another retread. Awesome.

What are you talking about. When Feaster made those trades, he barely had any power. The news owners were pulling all the strings, and Feaster was just a puppet lost in the shuffle.

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#26 JF
July 08 2010, 07:18PM
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Meh, some guy to give pressers who won't sweat disdain and bile for all us non-"real" fans and un-"important" people. I think that's all we got here.

That said he's got a Stanley Cup winning team on his resume. So at least that's something, and if ownership ever decides to think about handing Darryl a gold watch and thank him for his years of service they won't have to fret about having someone inexperienced to handle things in the interim (since I'm not sure I'd want Feaster in the big chair either).

Almost wish they'd brought in some new blood... another good ol' boy wasn't what I was hoping for.

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#27 Big Cap
July 08 2010, 07:20PM
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Hey Dutter...Weren't Richie or Ron available? What about Cousin Jeb???

Whats the difference, Calgary is going NO WHERE!!!

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#28 SmellOfVictory
July 08 2010, 07:23PM
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Canucks Suck wrote:

he looks like he's enjoyed a feaster two

I salute you.

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#29 CP is GARBAGE
July 08 2010, 08:36PM
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always more than willing to put a negitive spin on things hey Kent?

flamesnation is becoming awfully boring.

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#30 Bob
July 08 2010, 09:45PM
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I don't mean to speak for Kent on this (he's more than capable of fending for himself), but for those attacking him because of his "negativity", I'd like to bring up a point that has been overlooked and was actually mentioned by Mr. Feaster this afternoon on the Fan960.

The game of hockey has had a large number of changes since 2005. Whether those changes have been good or not will lead to endless debate, but I think MOST will agree that the teams with management/administration that has best been able to change and adapt with the game are the ones with the most overall success. That is a major issue that alot of fans and media alike recognize as a fault in Darryl and company. Darryl believes he can still put together a team the same way teams were being assembled pre-lockout. Darryl is old school in every sense of the word. As Jay said today, he is like Darryl...old school. And he firmly believes in doing things the way Darryl does. It's that mentality that has me believing that bringing in Jay is the same as not making any change at all. We can applaud Mr. Feaster for his past accomplishments, and they are well deserved...but his downfall, while assisted at the time by aweful ownership, is being duplicated right here by Mr. Sutter. I guess it is only fitting that they are side by side as this team takes the final plunge. Make no mistake, I don't hope for this team to fail. I want them to succeed and I hope Darryl has finally got it right. I suspect, however, that he does not.

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#31 SmellOfVictory
July 08 2010, 10:06PM
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CP is GARBAGE wrote:

always more than willing to put a negitive spin on things hey Kent?

flamesnation is becoming awfully boring.

Sutter brings in low tier players who basically suck outright (Ivanans, and apparently Jackman), doesn't take the possible high reward draftee when he has the chance in the 2nd round, and brings in a guy who Kent has ALWAYS disliked as the new assistant GM. Weird how that might not inspire optimism, eh?

He's not spinning things negatively; Kent is the most analytical hockey blogger I've come across, aside from the guys at BehindTheNet and the Contrarian Goaltender, and that is how he delivers his posts. There are a lot of people/writers who are more than willing to be blind faith fans or the weird, emotionally-volatile fans, and I'm personally glad he does things the way he does. Yes, he's posting his opinion, but it's a highly-informed opinion, and he never delivers rhetoric.

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#32 Drew
July 08 2010, 10:13PM
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I have been a life long flames fan and have been reading this website for the past year. I have to say though, I am not going to be reading much longer. I think the blogger's here have great insight and much more personal knowledge about the game of hockey than me. But you guys are always so negative.. god its depressing reading this page. Sutter is an idiot, this hire is stupid, that move is horrendous, all the flames suck, blah, blah.. How about we wait till next season to see how this team does. I still have faith in Sutter, I do. I remember the years when no move made sense and we were horrible year after year after year. Then this Sutter guy came in and changed the culture of this team. We became winners and I think we still are. One non playoff year dosent mean the sky is falling. I don't know this Feaster guy, but if he has a Stanley cup ring, that's one more than you, me or probably anyone writing on this page. For me, that gives him credibility. I am going to wait and see before you can "color me less than thrilled."

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#33 Sincity1976
July 08 2010, 10:37PM
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I think the reason many people are getting their panties in a wad about this negativity is that there really wasn't a way for Sutter to turn here that wasn't going to inspire criticism.

Pick someone from within the system. Sutter has too much influence. Pick someone without GM experience. Sutter's just going to walk all over him. Pick someone with a similar style as he has. Sutter is just bringing on someone to agree with him.

The Flames brought on a guy with a virtually opposite approach to building an NHL team then Sutter. He is media friendly, thinks offense first, and has the respect of the media community and many GMs that Sutter doesn't relate to.

I am enthusiastic based on those things. I am enthusiastic based on a resume that includes GM of the year and a Stanley Cup ring. I am enthusiastic to see him step outside the normal realms of political correctness and say things like "I am going to try and make Sutter media friendly, or ... they normally say you (Sutter) don't like to ask questions, and now there are no questions."

He may not be the future GM of the team. Thats fine. I like his contrast to Sutter. And I like that he is outspoken enough to jibe with Sutter on the air a week before he starts his job.

As for all the negativity. Kent and everyone else is fully entitled to their opinion. Its his site after all.

I would prefer to read a more rounded opinion though. There is something vaguely frustrating about reading tweets talking about how great this move is, and listening to the fan960 speak about how they can't imagine anyone having a problem with this move, and them coming here and drowning in the negativity. The unfortunate thing was I new what I was in for before I entered the URL.

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#34 SmellOfVictory
July 08 2010, 10:46PM
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I don't see as much negativity as many of you are purporting to see. Certainly, the overall tone isn't happy-go-lucky, but even when disappointment is voiced, there is generally a caveat of "but we'll see" or something of the sort.

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#35 R O
July 08 2010, 10:52PM
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That is SUPER easy to say in hindsight. Of course at the time he was a top ten player in the league. I'm not convinced that he isn't one right now. Yeah, he did have a bad year though.

http://vhockey.blogspot.com/2007/12/best-in-game.html

That was written in December 07, so the 07/08 season. Lecavalier was only one season removed from his Rocket Richard trophy and in the middle of a 92 point season. Tied for 6th that season (that means he was the 6th best player right??? Top TEN!)

And yet at that point it was SUPER EASY to say, in hindsight, midsight and foresight, that Lecavalier gave back a ton the other way and therefore was nowhere near as valuable to his team (in terms of helping them win) as his point totals implied.

The post even mentions that Lecavalier was always like this.

Lecavalier has never been a top ten player in this league. Never EVER.

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#36 R O
July 08 2010, 10:56PM
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Crap.

All this time, I've been thinking that the path to winning hockey games was to get good hockey players.

But, as it turns out, based on the insight of some of the fine commenters of FlamesNation, I have learned that the path to winning hockey games is to be more friendly to the media and the fans (because they know better) and to have at least one more Stanley Cup ring than your opponent (Kevin Lowe in Edmonton has 5, that's why the Oilers have won so many games lately).

Consider me properly chastised on this matter.

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#37 John Deere Green
July 08 2010, 10:58PM
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Keep up the good work Kent, P Stein, Robert ect. I really enjoy reading all your thoughts on this web site, it's down to earth and it's your guys actual thoughts and feelings that makes this great to read up on Flames matters.

It really chaps my as$ when I listen to the local radio station, who are actual rights holders, not ask tough questions to Darryl and others because they don't want to be in the bad books.

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#38 R O
July 08 2010, 11:02PM
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@rubbertrout

More offensive zone starts gives you a much better chance of being in on scoring chances

That's my line :-)

No seriously, I know what you mean but the complete star forwards end up getting deployed in this league, I can forgive a bit of offensive zone starting. It turns out that a lot of them end up looking like they take tough opposition based on the QUALCOMP metric anyway.

Different story entirely for the elite tough-opposition Dmen, they look like they get hammered both in quality of opposition AND shift starting position. That makes all kind of sense, who amongst Dmen can influence even-strength outscoring the way forwards can? Lidstrom maybe, Keith this season was unreal too. Green obviously (though he gets the Ovechkin leg-up).

I don't know, that's just my sense of things. NHL coaches don't often line up their difference-making forwards and defensemen quite the same way, I would speculate that's because usually different coaches run the F and D matchups. JMO.

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#39 FrankB
July 08 2010, 11:07PM
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I'll take informed pessimism over blind optimism ANY day. If you want a more optimistic take on the Flames, go have a conversation with a cheerleader.

Keep up the great work Kent.

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#40 FrankB
July 08 2010, 11:16PM
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I have to agree. It's so annoying listening to Kerr lob in those softball questions. It's so obvious that he's posturing for Peter Maher's job when Peter retires. I've, on many occasions, turned off the radio in disgust of him. He'll be all gruff and surly with the less senior hockey personalities (ie Steinburg), and do a 360 when talking to Flames brass. No respect for that guy whatsover...Edmonton can have him back.

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#41 Nolan
July 08 2010, 11:19PM
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He was brought in for one reason, media relations. When i heard this I was a little leery. Not a great GM in his time. Sure he helped to build the Bolts but dont know how much he had to do with it. He then put the team in a bad way with his signings. Maybe they can get together on how NOT to sign bad contracts?

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#42 44stampede
July 08 2010, 11:53PM
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I don't see this as a bad thing but I have a hard time seeing it as too positive either. Time will tell I suppose but I am with Kent. I have read some of his stuff on THN and his articles have zero insight nor do they scream "intelligent hockey man".

Obviously he has some history and a ring so again...time will tell.

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#43 Gange
July 09 2010, 12:13AM
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R O wrote:

That is SUPER easy to say in hindsight. Of course at the time he was a top ten player in the league. I'm not convinced that he isn't one right now. Yeah, he did have a bad year though.

http://vhockey.blogspot.com/2007/12/best-in-game.html

That was written in December 07, so the 07/08 season. Lecavalier was only one season removed from his Rocket Richard trophy and in the middle of a 92 point season. Tied for 6th that season (that means he was the 6th best player right??? Top TEN!)

And yet at that point it was SUPER EASY to say, in hindsight, midsight and foresight, that Lecavalier gave back a ton the other way and therefore was nowhere near as valuable to his team (in terms of helping them win) as his point totals implied.

The post even mentions that Lecavalier was always like this.

Lecavalier has never been a top ten player in this league. Never EVER.

LMAO. Not even worth dignifying that with a response.

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On a serious note though, the Feaster hiring is another change in the right area. What was clearly needed on this team was a management shakeup. Was it what everyone hoped for? No, Im sure some wouldn't be happy unless Darryl is removed. I have many of those days myself. However bringing in an AGM and the rumour of another AGM and the ending of scouting contracts means that scouting is going to be overhauled too.

Both of those are sorely required. Will Feaster be a showpiece to address media and pass along Darryl's message? I highly doubt it. Will it be wildly successful? How knows? You don't play hockey in july.

This change, as much as some hate it, is not negative change. It may not turn out positive but it certainly didn't start negative.

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#44 R O
July 09 2010, 03:43AM
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LMAO. Not even worth dignifying that with a response.
On a serious note though

Hunh. "Serious note", I doubt you are capable of that.

POINTS, they are EVERYTHING!

don't know why I waste my time reading these highly predictable blogs.

Don't let the door hit you on the way out.

The both of you. The adults here will be better off for it.

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#45 R O
July 09 2010, 03:52AM
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I think I've got it down cold, how Gange and his type of hockey fan rate hockey players.

So it starts easy enough, log on to NHL.com and sort the skaters by points and the goalies by wins. The system for tiebreakers would be quite complex. I'd surmise maybe the first tiebreaker would be the number of Cup rings, followed by the number of goals in the latest All-Star game, followed by something like who was the latest to score a hat trick. Participation in President's Trophy-winning teams would be looked down upon, though, everybody knows that the regular season doesn't matter.

Then the next year, they'd do the same thing. Of course the rankings would be completely different. Hockey players are fickle bitches though, a lot of the guys who are good today are just not going to be very good tomorrow.

You can count on that, as sure as the Earth is flat.

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#46 R O
July 09 2010, 03:57AM
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@CP is garbage

Read your post in greater detail and I have to say that yours is a most ironic Internet handle.

I cannot think of a line of hockey reasoning that belongs more in that lovely forum of hockey debate.

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#47 Arik
July 09 2010, 06:47AM
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I'd like to point out to all the "yay Feaster!" guys here that Feaster might have the ring, but he was only marginally responsible for getting the team there- most of that team was built by Rick Dudley a few years beforehand.

Remember- Stan Bowman has a Stanley Cup ring, and he's hardly responsible for getting the Hawks there. His job was basically "Don't screw things up".

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#50 Emir
July 09 2010, 09:13AM
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Another Point Form Post.

1. I hate Kent because he is Negative:

If you feel that way then dont be afraid to disagree with him. Your disagreement makes for an interesting thread. So the crowd who supports more positivity in the forums, well, please post more so you can help create that atmosphere. I do disagree with Kent on a large range of issues, but, he has points, and it makes it fun for me since he looks at this team differently than I do.

2. The Feaster Fest:

I dont think anybody could put forward a name who is available with GM experience who we would want here as AGM. I will say what I like about Feaster is he has seen a team go downhill and probably has learned a thing or two from it. I think that is part of why he got the job, he can help Darryl with something he has already seen before and thats one of the bigger issues facing the flames right now. I like what Feaster brings for this club.

I would also like to point out that Mike Keenan has GM experience; thank god we didnt bring him in lol.

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