Flames Cap Crunch

Kent Wilson
May 17 2011 10:17AM

 

 

With Feaster now cemented in the GM chair and Glencross signed, we can turn our attention to Calgary's predicament heading into next season. With a few more dollars on the books (and yet another NMC), the Flames have a few players left to sign and a vanishingly small amount of cap space to do it with.

Forwards Cap hit
Iginla 7.00
Langkow 4.50
Stajan 3.50
Bourque 3.33
Hagman 3.00
Jokinen 3.00
Kotalik 3.00
Glencross 2.55
Backlund 1.27
Moss 1.30
Kostopolous 0.92
Ivanans 0.60
Jackman 0.55
Tanguay UFA
Morrison UFA
Modin UFA
Total 34.516

The org has 12 forwards under contract currently, although Raitis Ivanans is a good bet to spend the year on LTIR and at least one of Hagman or Kotalik will likely find themselves demoted or shipped to Europe. You can add another 3.60M in cap space if those assumptions prove to be accurate. The actual number will probably be about 30.916M as a result.

Defense  
Bouwmeester 6.68
Giordano 4.02
Regehr 4.02
Sarich 3.60
Staios UFA
Pardy UFA
Babchuk UFA
Carson RFA
Mikkelson RFA
Total 18.32

With Giordano's raise, the Flames back-end becomes even more top-heavy in 2011-12. The club has 18.32M committed to it's default top-four and will probably need to sign at least two more veterans (one established enough to slip into the top-four comfortably in case of injury) and hope that one of Erixon or Brodie is good enough to step in and not struggle too much. Brodie's cap hit is .741M while Erixon has yet to sign his big league deal. Look for his salary to land in Backlund's ballpark (1.27M including bonuses).

These numbers highlight why Anton Babchuk is likely a goner this summer. Beyond the fact that he probably won't be worth whatever contract he lands, the Flames probably don't have the wherewithall to afford it anyways.

Goalies  
Kipper 5.83
Karlsson UFA
Total 5.83
Dawes Buyout 0.141
Total Cap 58.807

Including Ivanans and Kotalik, the Flames have about 58.807M already spoken for in 2011-2012. If the cap swells to $62M, Calgary has all of 3.913M to play with. If you delete Ivanans and Kotalik, the club has 6.793M in the bank, although that also creates two more holes to fill on the roster.

Going with the "Kotalik moves to Europe" scenario, Calgary will have to re-sign or replace Tanguay, Morrison, Pardy, Staios, Babchuk and Karlsson. With room for contigencies during the season. If the club reserves $1M cap space as a buffer, they'll have about 5.793M to spread across 6 UFA's, or an average of $966k per player.

Which isn't a very good number. If he re-ups, Tanguay is a good bet to soak up at least half those dollars ($3M), dropping the available space down to 2.793 for six guys ($559k per player). That's barely enough scratch to pay guys minimum wage under the current CBA, meaning something's gotta give here. In addition to Kotalik and Ivanans, one of Stajan, Hagman, Kipper, Sarich or Regehr would also have to go away (with their replacements being much cheaper pieces) in order for the Flames to make it to October with a complete, cap-compliant roster that doesn't boast five replacement level skaters.

Looking over each of the tables again re-affirms my belief that the best Calgary can hope for in 2011-12 is to run in place. If Tanguay re-signs, the next iteration of the Flames will probably look a lot like the last iteration, albeit slightly more expensive and probably with a rookie or two on the back-end.

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#51 icedawg_42
May 17 2011, 02:46PM
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Right now Toad is out there Googling Flames history so he can throw some inane crap at us and back it up with his "Extensive Trivia Knowledge" of the Flames, and claim that our team has no fans.

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#52 Vintage Flame
May 17 2011, 02:49PM
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icedawg_42 wrote:

Right now Toad is out there Googling Flames history so he can throw some inane crap at us and back it up with his "Extensive Trivia Knowledge" of the Flames, and claim that our team has no fans.

Probably, more likely though he is photoshopping himself into a shower scene with the Sedin's and trying to get his name to rhyme with Hank and Dank.

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#53 icedawg_42
May 17 2011, 03:04PM
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Vintage Flame wrote:

Probably, more likely though he is photoshopping himself into a shower scene with the Sedin's and trying to get his name to rhyme with Hank and Dank.

You mean like what happened here?

http://a2.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/230262_10100413701021912_28110074_61247250_2148257_n.jpg

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#55 Colin
May 17 2011, 04:27PM
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Brent G. wrote:

For all of the cap issues the Flames have, and number of contracts that are over paying the players, Jokinen isn't one. He started off slowly but actually finished the year off pretty well. I think he is providing good value at $3 million per.

Also, Stajan and Bourque were overpaid by last years standards although I would be willing to bet they both show some improvement over last years performance. If Stajan does put up 60 points (even if its against 3rd liners) is that really a overpaying?

When you look at it the Flames should move a center for a cheaper 4th line ceter option. Of Jokinen, Stajan, Langkow and Backlund none of those fit that 4th line well so they should trade Jokinen and sign a grinder for about $1 million to fill that 4th line. We know it wont be Backlund or Langkow going anywhere so if somehow we trade Jokinen or Stajan it will be $2 million+ cap space savings.

I don't get the Bourque overpayment or that Bourque has a terrible cap number, he almost put up 30 goals last year, and if he plays with Langks all year and another decent winger(maybe Moss) all year, I can see him eclipsing the 30 mark and getting close to 35 and for 3.33mil that is not bad at all. Now Stajans 3.5 is TERRIBLE by any standard right now, can't argue it.

However, we don't need to trade Jokinen for a fourth line center(though I do agree we should trade jokinen), we do have Kosto under contract for another year, though we could trade the two together maybe for a cheaper option on the fourth. I think first line center should be Backlunds to lose, second Langks, third Stajan and fourth either Kosto or Bouma.

If we can get Kotalik to Europe, someone to pick up Hags on waivers or even maybe a buyout, Jokinen traded, and if Sarichs Bone Injury/Disease is as bad as what I've read on what the injury/disease is maybe he becomes a Langkow and spends the whole year on LTIR, we would have a decent amount of Cap money freed up for us to make a move or two to help get this team back into playoff contention.

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#56 daof
May 17 2011, 04:34PM
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@todd

Todd i banged ur mom last night.

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#57 T&A4Flames
May 17 2011, 05:06PM
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daof wrote:

Todd i banged ur mom last night.

That is just too funny!!!! So juvenile and simple I just had to burst out laughing. Love it!

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#58 T&A4Flames
May 17 2011, 05:10PM
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Vintage Flame wrote:

,"I think Tanguay might sign for a small save on the 3 mil. I'm thinking a 2yr/5mil deal (2.5AAV)... look for another NMC there as well. Once you start handing them out, at what point are you able to say no?"

Although I agree that Tangs probably will get the NMC, Feaster did say that just because GlenX got one doesn't mean they will be handed out. For Jay, it is a case by case basis and the fact that one player has it, means nothing to other prospective signings.

I also think Reggie is going to be dealt this year.. And I still think it happens before July 1st. I would love to see Cgy trade him to Wash for say Cody Eakin. Washington has scoring and let's be honest; as great a prospect as Eakin is, he still has to prove himself in the NHL. Washington needs the help on the blueline and Regehr is a proven D-Man. Although it looks like a dumb move for Wash to make, I think the inherent risk falls on the Flames.

Yea, adding Eakin to our prospects that already include Reinhardt and Leach, all from the Kootney Ice, I'm ok with that.

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#59 Ca$h-Money!
May 17 2011, 08:23PM
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"I can see him eclipsing the 30 mark and getting close to 35 and for 3.33mil that is not bad at all"

35 goals for 3.33 million? That's fantastic. By that logic Crosby could have scored 90 goals and the reaction would have been "well, it's not an overpay, good enough I guess". Common, 35 goals is elite player territory, regardless of the quality of competition.

Also, correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't Bourque get pretty limited PP time?

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#60 Colin
May 17 2011, 09:25PM
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Ca$h-Money! wrote:

"I can see him eclipsing the 30 mark and getting close to 35 and for 3.33mil that is not bad at all"

35 goals for 3.33 million? That's fantastic. By that logic Crosby could have scored 90 goals and the reaction would have been "well, it's not an overpay, good enough I guess". Common, 35 goals is elite player territory, regardless of the quality of competition.

Also, correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't Bourque get pretty limited PP time?

He averages about 2:45 per game in PP time, so he does get a fair bit of PP time, but when you figure the first PP had Iggy, Tangs, Gio, Babchuk and the second unit had a rotation between sarich, regehr and bouwmeester with Jokinen taking regular shift and whoever else at left wing, and from what I remember he was mainly on that second PP unit, well you are not gonna have great PP success with that second unit.

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#61 marty
May 17 2011, 10:02PM
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i think there is a chance that hags will be moved or demoted as well. pure speculation but would free up an extra 3

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#62 Marcus
May 17 2011, 10:04PM
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Watch the Salaries burn. Those execs didn't like being laughed at. High salary/low will power? Burn burn yes you're gonna burn.

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#63 michael jones
May 18 2011, 08:38AM
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Wow, this is one of the reasons I can't even bother reading this site anymore. This chain of comments is pretty terrible.

I've been following this team 26 years now and I've never been more embarassed to associate with fans right now.

Scary

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#64 newb
May 18 2011, 12:36PM
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I think Sarich Jokinen Hagman and Kotalik will be the easiest contracts to eat or trade away because they are all entering their last year. Get some picks for them. I would theoretically rather have Jokinen than Stajan but Stajans contract isnt going anywhere I dont think. Morrison Tanguay and Babchuck should all be brought back. Use Morrison as the 4th line centre/2nd PP/2nd PK units.

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#65 newb
May 18 2011, 12:40PM
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CAPGEEK.COM CAP CALCULATOR

FORWARDS Alex Tanguay ($3.750m) / Daymond Langkow ($4.500m) / Jarome Iginla ($7.000m) Rene Bourque ($3.333m) / Matthew Stajan ($3.500m) / David Moss ($1.300m) Curtis Glencross ($2.550m) / Mikael Backlund ($1.270m) / Tim Jackman ($0.550m) Tom Kostopoulos ($0.916m) / Brendan Morrison ($1.250m) / Lance Bouma ($0.693m) / / Stefan Meyer ($0.512m)

DEFENSEMEN Robyn Regehr ($4.020m) / Jay Bouwmeester ($6.680m) Mark Giordano ($4.020m) / Anton Babchuk ($2.500m) T.J. Brodie ($0.741m) / Matt Pelech ($0.700m) / Adam Pardy ($0.700m)

GOALTENDERS Miikka Kiprusoff ($5.833m) / Henrik Karlsson ($1.000m)

BUYOUTS: Nigel Dawes ($0.141m)

CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter) (these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion) SALARY CAP: $59,400,000; CAP PAYROLL: $57,463,332; BONUSES: $730,000 CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $1,936,668

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#66 Monaertchi
May 18 2011, 01:03PM
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I would like ownership to own up to the mistakes of the past and get $10.1M in salaries for Hagman, Ivanans, Kotalik, and Stajan off the cap either through AHL, Europe, trade or LTIR.

You can then double Tanguays salary, give Killer Karlsson a bit of a raise, and bring in some necessary depth at both F and D.

Maybe Stajan gets his mind and body right and can actually play NHL hockey next season and save Murray et al some money.

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#67 MC Hockey
May 18 2011, 10:41PM
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Hi all, Marty C here...I was one of the 5 "My Plan for the Calgary Flames" entries to appear on Fan960 - and the special airs this Friday May 20 3 to 6pm. Here was my plan created before this blog(my shameless plug - please vote for me!):

Predicted Salary Structure/Reasons for 2011-12 Season. Note: This assumes a 61.4M salary cap (up by 2.0M or 3.367%) spent on 23 players with End-of-CBA provision that all bonuses must count as “paid in full” this year. Thus, the Flames salary cap would be distributed as follows for 2011-12:

1. Keep The Leaders: Pay for top performances from Iginla (7.0M), Kiprusoff (5.833M), Langkow (4.5M), Regehr (4.020M), Giordano (4.020M), Tanguay (re-sign 6 years with avg of 3.667M). Category Total = $23.207M

2. Keep Vets with Potential: Bourque (3.333M), Jokinen (3.0M), Glencross (re-sign 2 years 2.6M avg), Babchuk (re-sign 2 years 2.6M avg), Moss (1.3M), Morrison (re-sign 1 yr at .900M), Jackman (.550M). Total = $14.283M Keep Reluctantly (untradeable/buyoutable now): Bouwmeester (6.680M), Stajan (4.500M). Total = $11.180M

3. Sign the Best Younger UFA Veterans: Forward Ville Leino (sign 3 years at avg 2.7M), Forward Patrick Eaves (sign at 2 years at 1.600M avg). Defenseman Grant Clitsome (sign 2 years at avg .800M). Category Total: $5.1M

4. Keep Younger Flames with Good Potential as Earned: Backlund (1.271M), Pardy (re-sign 2 years at .750M avg), Carson (re-sign 2 years at .550M avg), Karlsson (re-sign 2 years at .550M avg). Category Total = $3.121M Assume/Allow These Prospects to Make NHL Team: Bouma (.693M), Brodie (.742M). Category Total: $1.435

5. Trade What you Can to Get Return on Costly but Decent players (draft choices): Sarich, Kostopoulos = Zero!

6. Don’t Wait and Make Buyouts Happen for Annoying Underachievers (Owners can afford it): Kotalik (cost 1.0M), Hagman (cost 1.0M), Ivanans (cost 0.2M), add previous buyout of Dawes (cost .142M). Category Total = 2.342M

FINAL Total Spent: $60.668M versus cap of $62.4M (estimated). Cap Space at outset of season = $1.732M

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#68 MC Hockey
May 18 2011, 11:05PM
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Slight correction to last post as categories not outlined all shown properly:

Predicted Salary Structure/Reasons for 2011-12 Season. Note: This assumes a 61.4M salary cap (up by 2.0M or 3.367%) spent on 23 players with End-of-CBA provision that all bonuses must count as “paid in full” this year. Thus, the Flames salary cap would be distributed as follows for 2011-12:

1. Keep The Leaders: Pay for top performances from Iginla (7.0M), Kiprusoff (5.833M), Langkow (4.5M), Regehr (4.020M), Giordano (4.020M), Tanguay (re-sign 6 years with avg of 3.667M). Category Total = $23.207M

2. Keep Vets with Potential: Bourque (3.333M), Jokinen (3.0M), Glencross (re-sign 2 years 2.6M avg), Babchuk (re-sign 2 years 2.6M avg), Moss (1.3M), Morrison (re-sign 1 yr at .900M), Jackman (.550M). Total = $14.283M

3. Keep Reluctantly (untradeable/buyoutable now): Bouwmeester (6.680M), Stajan (4.500M). Total = $11.180M

4. Sign the Best Younger UFA Veterans: Forward Ville Leino (sign 3 years at avg 2.7M), Forward Patrick Eaves (sign at 2 years at 1.600M avg). Defenseman Grant Clitsome (sign 2 years at avg .800M). Category Total: $5.1M

5. Keep Younger Flames with Good Potential as Earned: Backlund (1.271M), Pardy (re-sign 2 years at .750M avg), Carson (re-sign 2 years at .550M avg), Karlsson (re-sign 2 years at .550M avg). Category Total = $3.121M

6. Assume/Allow These Prospects to Make NHL Team: Bouma (.693M), Brodie (.742M). Category Total: $1.435

7. Trade What you Can to Get Return on Costly but Decent players (draft choices): Sarich, Kostopoulos so cap hite = zero.

8. Don’t Wait and Make Buyouts Happen for Annoying Underachievers (Owners can afford it): Kotalik (cost 1.0M), Hagman (cost 1.0M), Ivanans (cost 0.2M), add previous buyout of Dawes (cost .142M). Category Total = 2.342M

FINAL Total Spent: $60.668M versus cap of $62.4M (estimated). Cap Space at outset of season = $1.732M

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#69 Monaertchi
May 19 2011, 10:02AM
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CAPGEEK.COM CAP CALCULATOR

FORWARDS Alex Tanguay ($3.400m) / Mikael Backlund ($1.270m) / Jarome Iginla ($7.000m) Olli Jokinen ($3.000m) / Daymond Langkow ($4.500m) / Rene Bourque ($3.333m) Curtis Glencross ($2.550m) / Matthew Stajan ($3.500m) / David Moss ($1.300m) Tom Kostopoulos ($0.916m) / Lance Bouma ($0.693m) / Tim Jackman ($0.550m) Stefan Meyer ($0.512m)

DEFENSEMEN Jay Bouwmeester ($6.680m) / Robyn Regehr ($4.020m) Mark Giordano ($4.020m) / Cory Sarich ($3.600m) Adam Pardy ($0.750m) / Brett Carson ($0.750m) T.J. Brodie ($0.741m) / John Negrin ($0.790m)

GOALTENDERS Miikka Kiprusoff ($5.833m) / Henrik Karlsson ($0.750m)

BUYOUTS: Nigel Dawes ($0.141m)

CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter) (these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion) SALARY CAP: $62,200,000; CAP PAYROLL: $60,603,332; BONUSES: $873,000 CAP SPACE (23-man roster): $1,596,668

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#70 Monaertchi
May 19 2011, 10:08AM
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The above is how I might try to sort out next season, if I was GM.

Tanguay gets double his old salary. Killer, Pardy, and Carson get 750,000.

Brodie and Negrin are the most expensive of the Heat D, so if other guys work out better, then some small savings would be realized. Alternatively, cheap free agent D could be brought in instead of Pardy, Carson, or rookies. Guys like Clitsome would be cheap.

Hagman, Ivanans, and Kotalik are not in the mix. If ownership let me, I'd take a serious look at adding Stajan to the not-in-the-mix group as well.

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#71 newb
May 19 2011, 01:49PM
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Im going to be a critic now so dont take it personal ok. 1 I doubt Backlund is ready to play against the top boys in the league. 2 Where are Morrison and Babchuk? 3 Jackman proved he can play third line role. 4 Sarich needs to be traded for a mid to late round pick or bought out.

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#72 newb
May 19 2011, 01:52PM
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@Monaertchi

Sorry forgot something. Jokinen obviously > Stajan. If Stajan stays Jokinen must go however and vica versa.

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#73 MC Hockey
May 19 2011, 09:33PM
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Monaertchi wrote:

The above is how I might try to sort out next season, if I was GM.

Tanguay gets double his old salary. Killer, Pardy, and Carson get 750,000.

Brodie and Negrin are the most expensive of the Heat D, so if other guys work out better, then some small savings would be realized. Alternatively, cheap free agent D could be brought in instead of Pardy, Carson, or rookies. Guys like Clitsome would be cheap.

Hagman, Ivanans, and Kotalik are not in the mix. If ownership let me, I'd take a serious look at adding Stajan to the not-in-the-mix group as well.

At 1.270 you already have Backlund's number including the bonus. Just leetting you know. I heard the 62.2M number on capgeek also so let's hope so for Flames sake.

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