Flames Trade Tim Erixon

Kent Wilson
June 01 2011 02:07PM

 

 

According to Jesse Spector, the Flames have traded Tim Erixon to the New York Rangers for Roman Horak and two second round picks. Flames also sent a 5th rounder to the Rangers in the deal.

Horak is a former 5th round pick who scored 78 points in the WHL last year for the Chilliwack Bruins. He was second on the team in scoring behind Ryan Howse.

Analysis and reactions later...

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#1 Resident Oddball
June 01 2011, 11:17PM
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@Nolan Moore

Tough to put the failure to get him signed on Feaster…the Flames gave away all of their leverage when they failed to get Erixon locked up prior to the 2010-2011 season. I do agree that they could have given this more attention earlier in the year and improves on the return…if any of this "interim GM" silliness was a barrier to getting the work done then I think fans have a legitimate reason to be furious with the organization

Honestly, once it was clear that Erixon would not have a real crack at an NHL roster spot, what incentive did He have to stay with the organization? "Loyalty to the team that drafted you" is foolish…it's not like somebody from the Flames scouting org discovered him in the mean streets of a Swedish ghetto, this kid was a world class hockey prospect.

Would it have killed us to sign him to an ELC in 2010 with the option to play in Europe if he didn't make the team? For all I know the Flames may have made an honest attempt to negotiate a year ago, but the ridiculous power-play that nearly cost us Giordano leads me to suspect that Erixon was also given the my-way-or-the-highway treatment. Furthermore, if they did try to sign him in 2010, they obviously failed and proceeded to sit on their thumbs for a year.

I know a lot of folks are choked at Erixon but the way I look at it is: whether or not you agree with how Erixon went about his business, shame on the Flames for having been so badly outmaneuvered by the Erixon camp.

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#2 FireOnIce
June 01 2011, 02:12PM
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Well, Feaster bungled it already. Figured it would take at least a little longer, but hey, maybe we'll get the fastest GM firing in NHL history!

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#3 Greg
June 01 2011, 11:20PM
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On the trade itself, I think it was as good as could be expected. There was no chance the flames were getting a first round pick for erixon, they had no leverage to negotiate with. It's not like they could threaten "give us a first, or we'll hold on to him". Every team new they only had to beat the 2nd rounder they would get otherwise. Unless they got a bidding war going, they weren't going to do much better, and even then, no team would give up an early first round pick for a guy they could probably draft with that pick instead, especially when there's a chance they could do better (you never know when a cam fowler is going to drop all the way to #12). Erixon isn't exactly a can't miss prospect yet either, according to bob mckenzie some teams still had him pegged as a 2nd rounder. I was merely hoping they'd get a 2nd and another depth pick, so to get 2 seconds and a prospect who may never make the NHL but has at least surpassed what you'd expect for a fifth rounder is actually a pretty good return. It's still a terrible trade, but given the circumstances, I think Feaster can rightfully say it was the best that could be done.

On not being able to sign him however, ugh. but I can see erixons point of view. There's 4 NMCs of various flavors ahead of him on defense, and the cap situation is ugly enough that there was a non-trivial chance he'd get put in the minors because the flames wouldn't be able to keep his contract and bonuses (which count against the cap this year) on the roster. It's not like we haven't seen that done here before. And yes, if he looked at how Backlund was treated last year, I don't blame him at all for not wanting to be here. That's all legacy problems from Daryll-Days, and I think we all knew we were going to have to be patient and wait for that to work itself out. Personally I think Feaster took a suicide mission because he could very well get blamed and fired for everything that goes wrong here the next 1-2 years that no GM, dead or alive, could do anything about.

That said, if details come out that it was just a $200k difference and erixon wanted the org to show some faith in him and tell him the 5th/6th spot was his to lose, then I do think blame shifts back from Sutter to Feaster, cause the hit we took on having to make that trade was certainly greater than that.

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#4 Doodie Machetto
June 01 2011, 02:10PM
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Anyone know which 2nd rounders went? Rangers have 3.

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#5 shep
June 01 2011, 02:10PM
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f***

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#6 Sanintarious
June 01 2011, 02:11PM
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So basically the Flames traded arguably their best prospect for 2 second round picks. Ugh.

(Roman Horak just replaces our 5th round pick being sent over)

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#7 Doodie Machetto
June 01 2011, 02:12PM
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Never mind, I'm an idiot. They only have 2.

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#9 FlamesFan11
June 01 2011, 02:12PM
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This is freaking horrible. Worst case scenario, I have been a devout flames fan for years, and I'm thinking this is the last straw. Not that I am giving up on my team, but wtf you all know what im talking about. ROMAN HORAK!?!???! great job feaster, go stuff yourself with 100 slices of american cheese (I know the joke was used earlier). Cmon, I cant think back to a Flames trade in years that has gone right for this team. We JUST LOST OUT BEST PROSPECT FOR NOTHING, NOT EVEN A FIRST ROUND PICK WTF.

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#10 Sanintarious
June 01 2011, 02:19PM
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Best case scenerio is Feaster uses 1 of those second round picks and bundles it with our first and tries to move in to the top 10 of the draft? UGH.

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#11 James
June 01 2011, 02:20PM
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We should wait before passing judgement. Maybe Erixon strung them along. Why else would they have waited for deadline day? They must have assumed they could sign him and when things met an impass, they had to bail quick.

I agree: I would have preferred Erixon to what we got, but it could have been worse (i.e., one second round pick).

I'm just upset I pegged my hopes on him for the coming year. I will never love another draft pick again...

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#12 Graham
June 01 2011, 02:20PM
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Pretty tough day for Flames flames, and a big black mark against Feaster. Not an encouraging start to his FOUR year tenure... The Glencross signing was a small positive, not keeping Erixon who looks like a top two d man is pretty much a disaster!

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#14 It's Hall Over!!!
June 01 2011, 02:24PM
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So I guess Flames fans can't use this great one liner anymore:

"Why doesn't anybody want to play in Edmonton"

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#15 Sanintarious
June 01 2011, 02:26PM
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Not to mention, ya maybe the 2 second round picks do great and exceed Erixon(unlikely) but there is also now the factor that they need time to develope while Erixon was almost if not already NHL ready.

Flames basically taking 1 step forward(earning draft picks) but giant steps backwards(given up a top prospect)

Sigh

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#16 shep
June 01 2011, 02:26PM
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do we know where the 2nd round picks are?

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#17 shep
June 01 2011, 02:27PM
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ah sorry 43/52

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#18 jealous broadcaster
June 01 2011, 02:28PM
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Bad team.

Bad cap situation.

Bad management.

If you're Tim Erixon why would you show up?

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#19 Robert Cleave
June 01 2011, 02:29PM
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shep wrote:

f***

Co-sign, shep.

It's sad. He's a serious prospect that they've pissed away for magic beans, and even if he didn't want to be in Calgary, there had to be a better way to get fair value than waiting until the very last minute.

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#20 shep
June 01 2011, 02:30PM
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will probably be a bottom pairing d man for a year or two before starting to pull his weight against the vaunt but still... crap.

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#21 Scott
June 01 2011, 02:32PM
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I Hate to say it, but I beleive that Darryl would have signed this kid or traded him way earlier.

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#22 shep
June 01 2011, 02:33PM
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can't recall this happening before with any swedish prospect

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#23 rod blogojevich
June 01 2011, 02:35PM
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@Scott: Without a doubt. People can blame Erixon but I would assume that any respectable GM would tell some 20 year old kid to shut the f*** up and sign, but Erixon saw the gong show that is King and Feaster and thought "Screw this noise, I totally have an out from these clowns"

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#24 Sanintarious
June 01 2011, 02:35PM
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Hey Robert, Go jets go?? HAHA. Was a riot at the Forks last night.

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#25 Scott
June 01 2011, 02:37PM
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Yah, it certainly puts us right up there with Edmonton and Winnipeg as worst cities to play in...

EDIT: Okay im to angry, signing off for now...I need to get drunk.

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#26 Scott
June 01 2011, 02:37PM
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Yah, it certainly puts us right up there with Edmonton and Winnipeg as worst cities to play in...

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#27 Shutout
June 01 2011, 02:42PM
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Sign of the times to come. Feaster and King are going to destroy this franchise. Give it a couple of more years and we will be wishing it was only as bad as the young guns era. How can those clowns keep mismanaging assets.

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#28 wattree
June 01 2011, 02:46PM
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FireOnIce wrote:

Well, Feaster bungled it already. Figured it would take at least a little longer, but hey, maybe we'll get the fastest GM firing in NHL history!

I'll lay this on on the head of Dutter. If the IIHF says you can't negotiate during the season then this deal should have been done last summer. I'd say we got something more than just a replacement pick for a guy that didn't seem to want to be here. Who knows, maybe Darryl pissed him off last year and he was never planning to sign here this year. Not that Darryl can be abrasive or anything.

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#29 wattree
June 01 2011, 02:48PM
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James wrote:

We should wait before passing judgement. Maybe Erixon strung them along. Why else would they have waited for deadline day? They must have assumed they could sign him and when things met an impass, they had to bail quick.

I agree: I would have preferred Erixon to what we got, but it could have been worse (i.e., one second round pick).

I'm just upset I pegged my hopes on him for the coming year. I will never love another draft pick again...

Agreed, wait to see if any more info on the negotiations leak out.

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#30 oilersfanincalgary
June 01 2011, 02:48PM
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Here's one problem brought about by this mishap. To engage in any sort of rebuild that is necessary, Flames would need to look to trade one of their quality defencemen for a quality forward, possibly someone like Regher if he'd waive his no-trade clause or no-movement clause or whatever it is. The problem is this kind of strategy would be premised on the Flames having enough quality defence prospects. Well one of those prospects in now gone and this makes improving the team that much more difficult.

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#31 Robert Cleave
June 01 2011, 02:49PM
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Sanintarious wrote:

Hey Robert, Go jets go?? HAHA. Was a riot at the Forks last night.

I left those festivities for you younger folks. I am looking forward to attending NHL games without needing to spend a couple of hours aboard an airplane first, though.

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#32 shep
June 01 2011, 02:49PM
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the failure is not the trade, they got 2 second rounders instead of 1, the failure is to not get him to sign.

It cant be the money since even the ahl salary+signing bonus would be good for a sel regular i believe

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#34 Emperor Crayons
June 01 2011, 02:52PM
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Before I get all excited, Horak IS signed right? Hate to lose him for a compensatory 6th...

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#35 Robert Cleave
June 01 2011, 02:54PM
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shep wrote:

the failure is not the trade, they got 2 second rounders instead of 1, the failure is to not get him to sign.

It cant be the money since even the ahl salary+signing bonus would be good for a sel regular i believe

I think you're right. He likely saw a chance to go elsewhere and took it, plus he had some leverage once the Flames couldn't sign him during the season. His stock was climbing pretty rapidly, and as I've said before, there was no way a team with holes on defence like Boston would have let a NHL-ready player like him get past the 9th pick.

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#37 Jano
June 01 2011, 02:58PM
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@Emperor Crayons

He is signed apparently, but personally, I'm a long way from being excited about this.

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#38 Danny Lawson
June 01 2011, 03:01PM
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Flames are the losers in this transaction. The most promising kid in their pipeline to another organization for not so much. Calgary is the new Edmonton.

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#39 crazy8
June 01 2011, 03:04PM
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So I'm a little worried that this is the start of a slppery slope. Accept for Vancouver, western Canadian teams are going to have trouble signing players. Where would you like to sign? LA, San Jose, Tampa Bay, NYR, etc. or Calgary, Edmonton, Winnipeg......

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#41 Doodie Machetto
June 01 2011, 03:07PM
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Maybe they hope Horak-Howse becomes the next Henrik-Daniel.

Ha, only Calgary would look at the way Feaster failed in Florida and say "That's our man!"

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#42 Jacob
June 01 2011, 03:12PM
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I am a flames fan from sweden and I know the Erixon family. Since he got drafted all they talk about is rangers this and rangers that. I can only imagine that he refused to sign in calgary and Glenn Sather knew his intentions. Pretty odd that he ends up in New York, compared to 28 other cities.

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#44 Super_Gio
June 01 2011, 03:14PM
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2 2nd rounders and a good prospect for a guy who wouldn't sign. Better than nothing, they offered him the rookie max what more can you do.

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#45 Scott
June 01 2011, 03:14PM
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@Jacob

IF that is the case, the Flames should have known that when they draft him and should have dealt him last summer then.

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#46 wattree
June 01 2011, 03:15PM
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Jacob wrote:

I am a flames fan from sweden and I know the Erixon family. Since he got drafted all they talk about is rangers this and rangers that. I can only imagine that he refused to sign in calgary and Glenn Sather knew his intentions. Pretty odd that he ends up in New York, compared to 28 other cities.

I can't see it actually happening, but wouldn't Slather getting hit with Tampering rank right up there with stuff you'd love to witness?

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#47 Jano
June 01 2011, 03:17PM
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Don't forget who was in charge around here last summer, quite sure that they didn't know this.

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#48 Richie
June 01 2011, 03:18PM
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Tim Erixon's father played in New York and has been quotes numerous times about how much he loves Glenn Sather and the work he does. Odd that he refuses to sign and ends up in New York... Tampering anyone??

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#49 Peter
June 01 2011, 03:21PM
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Crtl Z

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#50 jacob
June 01 2011, 03:29PM
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@Scott. Should of it been dealt with last summer, well yes and no. Your not going to give up on a top prospect like Erixon until you 100% know that he refuses to sign with your club. So should of it been done last summer? I'd say no. Should of it been dealt with 3-4 days ago.. Debateable. Hind sight is 20/20 but you have to work on convincing him and trying to sign him until last minute.

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