Flames Trade Tim Erixon

Kent Wilson
June 01 2011 02:07PM

 

 

According to Jesse Spector, the Flames have traded Tim Erixon to the New York Rangers for Roman Horak and two second round picks. Flames also sent a 5th rounder to the Rangers in the deal.

Horak is a former 5th round pick who scored 78 points in the WHL last year for the Chilliwack Bruins. He was second on the team in scoring behind Ryan Howse.

Analysis and reactions later...

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#51 T&A4Flames
June 01 2011, 03:45PM
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Man, do the Rangers ever look dangerous for the future.

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#52 rod blogojevich
June 01 2011, 03:48PM
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@Scott:

Can't listen to radio, is Kerr actually saying we don't have the right to judge this deal until we learn the truth? The truth is that the best prospect we have is gone and even if erixon did indeed refuse to sign, why in the f%#& didn't Ken King try to trade him earlier?

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#53 hatchet
June 01 2011, 03:48PM
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Ken King has got to go.Just for supporting Darryl alone. He's just a b.s.in lawyer. He has said that the fans support his plan by ticket sales. There's to much money in this town. In another city no one would by tickets and he would have been fired with Sutter.He couldn't run a Dickee Dee on the freakin sun. They won't fire this guy if you idiots keep supporting morons.

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#54 Retro
June 01 2011, 04:01PM
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Scott wrote:

Yah, it certainly puts us right up there with Edmonton and Winnipeg as worst cities to play in...

Erixon would be more than happy skating with MPS, Lander, Omark and maybe Larsson....so don't talk trash......Feaster just lost a future top 2 Dfence and he should pay the price for taht!

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#55 Captain Ron
June 01 2011, 04:15PM
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It seems pretty clear to me that this is more about where he wants to be than anything else. I'm sure the Flames did try everything possible to get him to stay. Given the circumstances I think Feaster did OK with the situation. No doubt he would have had more than one offer. I would have loved to see him here but no point in getting bent out of shape over it. Lets not start firing new GM's and depreciating Calgary as a good location for free agents etc because a kid wants to play where his daddy did. This rarely ever happens. The previous GM put us in this position not Feaster. If Erixon doesn't want to be here then see ya......next.

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#57 Michael
June 01 2011, 04:26PM
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Forget the spin, the fact is the Flames boxed themselves into a corner and had to trade one of their few 'real' prospects for a couple of second round lotto tickets.

Its hard to believe, but the Flames record of drafting second rounders is as bad as our first rounders. Even if we get lucky and land an NHL player, we have virtually no chance of landing an impact player.

Bottom line, we have prospects who may make the NHL (bottom six forwards / bottom pair d) but a complete dearth of any that could be considered high end or impact type guys.

We have now manged to loose Aulie and Erixson... the bare prospect cupboard is pretty barren.

Major miscalculation by Feaster and crew

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#58 the-wolf
June 01 2011, 04:28PM
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The Fan are a bunch of PR reps. Not one mention of why this took so long.

Even if they couldn't negotiate during the season they still could have set a deadline way longer than 1.5 hours. The deadline to sign should've been a week ago and that would've given enopugh time to shop him to all but 2 teams still in the playoffs. Waiting to the last minute is pure mismanagement.

As far as tampering, you have to prove it. Sather may have just been crafty on this one. If his family really talks about the Rangers so much and so often it's more than conceivable that word filtered back. It's called doing your homework and a part of proper scouting. Obviously, Calgary never did a proper background check on this guy.

I agree with those who say no matter how you look at it we just lost out top prospect for a guy not even in their top 10 prospects.

I also agree with the comment that Calgary is desperately in need of young talent now and that even if the 2nd rounders work out it'll be a couple of years down the road at the earliest.

Also, we're not talking about some superstar who you despeartely want to bring back and he has all the bargaining power. It's an entry level contract, about as straight forward as it gets, so no you don't wait until the last minute to sign him. He should've been shopped at least a week ago, probably longer and dealt far sooner than he was. There are teams that would've given a decent first round pick back for a guy ready to step in.

The new comic duo - Feaster and King. We are now Calg-monton.

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#59 Tach
June 01 2011, 04:30PM
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It seems to me this raises a host of questions/concerns:

1) The NTCs, cap space etc. is all Sutter hangover, plus he didn't get Erixon signed last year letting him get another year of quality play under his belt and increasing his leverage (by moving up in likelihood he would get drafted higher). What a knife from the grave.

2) How much of this is chalked up to Feaster not having the interim GM tag removed until relatively recently? Perhaps if this had been taken care of sooner more steps could have been taken to woo the kid.

3) In light of 1 and 2 I am much more around to the "Fire Ken King" way of thinking. Grr.

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#60 todd
June 01 2011, 04:44PM
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YOu guys in Calgary are pretty stupid. Fire Jay? Really? Is it his fault Tim Erixon thinks he's the next Bobby Orr? Jay did everything he could, and Erixon decided to take his ball and move to New York.

Anyways Flames are done, GO VAN GO!

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#61 the-wolf
June 01 2011, 04:48PM
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No point in blaming past regimes. Feaster has been here how long? More than long enough thtat he should've known Erixon had no intention of coming here. Mayb eyou can't negotiate, but there's nothing that says you can't be in contact with the guy. Feaster: "Hey Erixon, are you excited about coming to camp in Calgary this summer?" Erixon: "I love NY!" Feaster: "So, are you a rodeo fan? Heard of the Stampede?' Erixon: "Rangers rule!" Hmmm...............maybe, just maybe, some #@$^!!$#^#%@%&^**^W#$^#&*uck'in @$$clown somewhere, in some part of the organization, should've known this. It's almost incomprehensible. Honestly, I could walk into that front office tomorrow and do a better job. It's OK though, because feaster will be upfront and honest and entirely self-depricating about how he screwed this one up too. Feaster record so far: - Freddy Modin - His boss having to go all brokeback mountain to sign Glenncross with a NTC. - Losing the organization's top prospect who was ready to step in thus eliminating the chance to trade a guy like Regher for a another top 6 forward.

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#62 the-wolf
June 01 2011, 04:50PM
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#63 DieHard
June 01 2011, 04:52PM
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Flames Fans: Welcome to B.L.P.H.

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#64 Ryan Popilchak
June 01 2011, 05:09PM
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So basically, Erixon thought the org was a joke. He sees the writing on the wall, just like the rest of us do. He used his leverage to move to a better situation and frankly was smart to do so.

The Flames dug their own grave by signing veteran depth players rather than encouraging guys to get promoted from Abby. They basically said to their prospects "good luck trying to make the squad".

Feaster can blame that on Darryl, but he better fix it moving forward, and in a hurry.

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#65 SmellOfVictory
June 01 2011, 05:10PM
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I guess I can't blame Erixon for wanting to play elsewhere. I really do think thus falls on Flames management for waiting this long to make a trade. I have o think that his value would be at least a mid first rounder to most teams, and possibly even an early one after his performance this year.

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#66 Resident Oddball
June 01 2011, 05:13PM
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This is an ugly - and frankly long overdue - wakeup call for the Flames. I haven't heard Feaster's comments but if Kent's earlier post is accurate (and no reason to believe otherwise) then Erixon has made a reasoned decision to leave due to historical mismanagement of young players (not to mention the gong show of the past 18 mo). If it was my career I can't say I'd see it differently. One wonders Backlund's take on this situation…

The good news is that over time the Flames can correct the issues that led to this debacle...it's still within their control. Consider the lifestyle perception stuff that Tambellini's up against in Edmonton, and realize that it could be worse.

Next few months will be very interesting…

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#67 Captain Ron
June 01 2011, 05:16PM
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the-wolf wrote:

The Fan are a bunch of PR reps. Not one mention of why this took so long.

Even if they couldn't negotiate during the season they still could have set a deadline way longer than 1.5 hours. The deadline to sign should've been a week ago and that would've given enopugh time to shop him to all but 2 teams still in the playoffs. Waiting to the last minute is pure mismanagement.

As far as tampering, you have to prove it. Sather may have just been crafty on this one. If his family really talks about the Rangers so much and so often it's more than conceivable that word filtered back. It's called doing your homework and a part of proper scouting. Obviously, Calgary never did a proper background check on this guy.

I agree with those who say no matter how you look at it we just lost out top prospect for a guy not even in their top 10 prospects.

I also agree with the comment that Calgary is desperately in need of young talent now and that even if the 2nd rounders work out it'll be a couple of years down the road at the earliest.

Also, we're not talking about some superstar who you despeartely want to bring back and he has all the bargaining power. It's an entry level contract, about as straight forward as it gets, so no you don't wait until the last minute to sign him. He should've been shopped at least a week ago, probably longer and dealt far sooner than he was. There are teams that would've given a decent first round pick back for a guy ready to step in.

The new comic duo - Feaster and King. We are now Calg-monton.

The kid did have all the bargaining power. He was willing to go into the draft again and get picked even sooner. No loss from his point of view. The deal to trade him was no doubt in place before today as a last resort if they couldn't sign him. The situation Feaster is in was not created by him but by the last guy. He would have been scouted and interviewed for sure before he was drafted. In the end he and his agent manipulated the system to their advantage.

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#68 Captain Ron
June 01 2011, 05:20PM
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I would love to see the-wolf as GM of the team. The shots of you on TV during a game would no doubt be fantastic.

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#69 Resolute
June 01 2011, 05:36PM
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Sanintarious wrote:

Best case scenerio is Feaster uses 1 of those second round picks and bundles it with our first and tries to move in to the top 10 of the draft? UGH.

Actually, best case scenario is Feaster drafts two players who turn into quality NHLers, and Horak continues to improve to become one of those unlikely success stories from the bottom rounds of the draft.

Sucks that we lost Erixon, but the more I read, the more I think this is a case of a spoiled brat seeking to dictate where he will play. I read his complaints and see excuses. That he chose to be a punk does set the organization's development program back, but under the circumstances, the trade was really quite good given we were a short time away from getting barely a third of that we did.

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#70 negrilcowboy
June 01 2011, 06:06PM
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seems to me that erixsons reasons for snubbing the flames were well know to everyone but dutter. isnt part of the scouting process interveiwing the player. perhaps the director f player development dutter 2.0 should have seen this one coming.

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#71 SmellOfVictory
June 01 2011, 06:09PM
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Kent Wilson wrote:

Just listened to Feaster. Sounds like Erixon didn't like the org. Cap situation+lots of NTC+reputation for sending kids to the farm. Feaster intimated they couldn't get past those issues with the player.

re: Reputation with prospects, I wonder if his time at the WHC chatting with Backlund influenced him at all. "Hey, how's your first year been?" "Oh you know, they put me as a healthy scratch for a chunk of the season, then threw me on the 4th line and gave me 6 minutes a night until there were so many injuries that I had to play more minutes."

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#72 negrilcowboy
June 01 2011, 06:20PM
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arnold horshack, nice pickup bobby hill feaster. 160 pounds bruiser ya got there.

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#73 Jarom
June 01 2011, 06:24PM
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Kids that havn't played a sniff in the NHL shouldn't expect to be given big minutes and guarantees.

Erixon should have taken the contract offered and played. He forced the situation and we got screwed. It's a slap in the face to the organization and to us fans. Screw him and his agent.

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#74 oilers1974
June 01 2011, 06:42PM
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i don't know what you guys are so upset about. you just aquired the set up man for ryan howse in chilliwack. anybody knows a guy who scores just over a point a game in his 20 year old major junior season is a legit prospect....uh huh. him and howse (major league hands, minor league feet) can anchor abbotsford for years. maybe with those two mid round 2nd's you can net a return such as martin marincin and curtis hamilton....in a draft that is thought to fall off considerably after the first 40 guys. nice return for a future first pair defencemen. well done.

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#75 Willi P
June 01 2011, 06:44PM
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OK, big deal. The guy (Erixon) wanted to play for the NYR's. Sather obviously knew this and offered the best deal out there. The Flames get two seconds and a prospect (low level but second in scoring on the team). They still have decent defensive prospects and should focus on offensive draft picks. Get over it, sh** happens. Draft players that fill the holes and that will want to play in Calgary (most NA kids) not always the best next available player (in the draft) moving from the cold climate in Sweden or the screwed up situation in Russia.

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#76 Jarom
June 01 2011, 06:47PM
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@oilers1974

We're Flames fans. We're always pissed off about something ;)

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#77 CP is GARBAGE
June 01 2011, 07:06PM
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the-wolf wrote:

The Fan are a bunch of PR reps. Not one mention of why this took so long.

Even if they couldn't negotiate during the season they still could have set a deadline way longer than 1.5 hours. The deadline to sign should've been a week ago and that would've given enopugh time to shop him to all but 2 teams still in the playoffs. Waiting to the last minute is pure mismanagement.

As far as tampering, you have to prove it. Sather may have just been crafty on this one. If his family really talks about the Rangers so much and so often it's more than conceivable that word filtered back. It's called doing your homework and a part of proper scouting. Obviously, Calgary never did a proper background check on this guy.

I agree with those who say no matter how you look at it we just lost out top prospect for a guy not even in their top 10 prospects.

I also agree with the comment that Calgary is desperately in need of young talent now and that even if the 2nd rounders work out it'll be a couple of years down the road at the earliest.

Also, we're not talking about some superstar who you despeartely want to bring back and he has all the bargaining power. It's an entry level contract, about as straight forward as it gets, so no you don't wait until the last minute to sign him. He should've been shopped at least a week ago, probably longer and dealt far sooner than he was. There are teams that would've given a decent first round pick back for a guy ready to step in.

The new comic duo - Feaster and King. We are now Calg-monton.

dude,

leave the over-emotional reactions for my favorite web-site, Calgary Puck. This reponse would fit in quite well with all the other 14 year olds who frequently post there.

Essentially, you don't know what you don't know. Clearly you have no idea what-so-ever regarding the negotiations with Tim Erixon and his representation. Nor do you have any idea what the timeline was from the Flames standpoint regarding when they started to discuss trade options and who they were talking to. Feaster came out and stated exactly what happend and why it happened, you can listen to the interview on the Fan960's web-site. The Flames did everything they could do. They did start shopping him a week ago, and hypothetically had they traded him then, you strike me as the type that would be flying off the handle because we didn't get good return.

so please leave the long winded blow hard responses for Calgary Puck. Do some homework before you post this garbage. Act like an adult and not like a 16 year old girl who's pissed because she didn't get her dad's car keys for the night.

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#78 negrilcowboy
June 01 2011, 07:08PM
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@oilers1974

more like beer league feet.

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#79 44stampede
June 01 2011, 07:45PM
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SmellOfVictory wrote:

I guess I can't blame Erixon for wanting to play elsewhere. I really do think thus falls on Flames management for waiting this long to make a trade. I have o think that his value would be at least a mid first rounder to most teams, and possibly even an early one after his performance this year.

This is pretty much my take. SOV doesn't seem to have as much venom in it that I seem to be holding. I am blown away at the nochalant attitude that Feaster has about this. He was basically joking as he announced the reasons he failed.

"As I said to Connie afterward, that's a long way to go for lunch, albeit a tasty lunch, but still a long way to go for lunch," Feaster joked.

And how do you fire a guy you just hired?? You don't. That would make us even more of a joke.

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#80 Nolan Moore
June 01 2011, 07:49PM
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Kent Wilson wrote:

Just listened to Feaster. Sounds like Erixon didn't like the org. Cap situation+lots of NTC+reputation for sending kids to the farm. Feaster intimated they couldn't get past those issues with the player.

Totally agree. Erixon was calling out the organization and they didnt like to hear the truth. Feaster really has to blame himself for that. He could have NOT given Glencross a NMC and said "see I'm different".

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#81 Nolan Moore
June 01 2011, 07:56PM
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What i was thinking on the situation is this: this goes down to bad scouting once again. When you are at the combine, and draft, youre interviewing players, getting their feeling whether they would sign with you. You ONLY draft a player in two situations: 1. He fits your needs and/or 2. is the best player available. If you feel there is a chance at all he wont sign him, you only draft him if u know you can flip him for something. Obviously the flames have bad scouting, and thought they could sign him when it became obvious they couldnt. I blame Sutter because he never saw this, and had a year and a half to do something. I blame the Erixon camp for not being straight up with the Flames and I blame Fester because, he's startign to prove he's clueless, should have taken it on himself to get the job done, either via trade or sign. People say he's a great communicator, well this proves hes not. The hiring of Feaster will haunt this organization for years.

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#82 SmellOfVictory
June 01 2011, 08:10PM
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44stampede wrote:

This is pretty much my take. SOV doesn't seem to have as much venom in it that I seem to be holding. I am blown away at the nochalant attitude that Feaster has about this. He was basically joking as he announced the reasons he failed.

"As I said to Connie afterward, that's a long way to go for lunch, albeit a tasty lunch, but still a long way to go for lunch," Feaster joked.

And how do you fire a guy you just hired?? You don't. That would make us even more of a joke.

Yeah, it's unfortunate. I've also read elsewhere that it was well-known that Erixon wanted to play for the Rangers prior to the 09 draft, which is something that should've been taken into consideration (at the very least, during these negotiations, if not the draft itself).

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#84 Colin
June 01 2011, 08:27PM
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If what Feaster said about what Erixon thought about this Organization is true, than good on Erixon for getting out while he is still young and hasn't been bumbled around between AHL and NHL and being a healthy scratch. Players have to look out for their own careers and find some where that will work best for them.

If its true that he was only ever gonna play for the Rags and he wanted nothing to do with the Flames and his Dad seemed to have something to do with the Rangers, than **** him and I hope his career sucks. If you never intend to play with the team that drafts you, tell them, work out a deal where you want to go thats fair and not this trade me or you get nothing out of the draft crap. Because its very suspicious the Rags come out of nowhere in the 25th hour with a deal ready to go for him and just give up an extra second round pick to ensure he doesn't get drafted elsewhere.

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#85 Willi P
June 01 2011, 08:39PM
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Hi Kent,

I agree on the name war thing, but can you advise why my comment was not posted? Was it the "excrement" happens reference that I made?

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#86 CitizenFlame
June 01 2011, 08:58PM
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@Nolan Moore

"What i was thinking on the situation is this: this goes down to bad scouting once again. When you are at the combine, and draft, youre interviewing players, getting their feeling whether they would sign with you. You ONLY draft a player in two situations: 1. He fits your needs and/or 2. is the best player available. If you feel there is a chance at all he wont sign him, you only draft him if u know you can flip him for something. Obviously the flames have bad scouting, and thought they could sign him when it became obvious they couldnt."

Or the kid made every indication that he was excited at getting drafted by the Flames. Everybody wants to chalk it up to poor management and poor drafting. How many games has this kid played in the NHL? 0. Yet he was basically demanding a top 4 roster spot? Get real. Earn it. To me it looks like he was afraid to earn a spot.

Though, now the perception is out there and the Flames are going to have a hard time fighting the stigma.

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#87 Jano
June 01 2011, 09:13PM
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So, I wonder if the Rangers are making a trip out west this year. It'd be nice to let poor little Timmy know what we think of him now.

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#88 the forgotten man
June 01 2011, 09:16PM
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CP is GARBAGE wrote:

dude,

leave the over-emotional reactions for my favorite web-site, Calgary Puck. This reponse would fit in quite well with all the other 14 year olds who frequently post there.

Essentially, you don't know what you don't know. Clearly you have no idea what-so-ever regarding the negotiations with Tim Erixon and his representation. Nor do you have any idea what the timeline was from the Flames standpoint regarding when they started to discuss trade options and who they were talking to. Feaster came out and stated exactly what happend and why it happened, you can listen to the interview on the Fan960's web-site. The Flames did everything they could do. They did start shopping him a week ago, and hypothetically had they traded him then, you strike me as the type that would be flying off the handle because we didn't get good return.

so please leave the long winded blow hard responses for Calgary Puck. Do some homework before you post this garbage. Act like an adult and not like a 16 year old girl who's pissed because she didn't get her dad's car keys for the night.

As a licensed health-care practitioner, can I recommend some RUB-A535...carrying all that water for "The Feast" and K-Squared can strain both the back (and mind).

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#89 Captain Ron
June 01 2011, 09:45PM
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CP is GARBAGE wrote:

dude,

leave the over-emotional reactions for my favorite web-site, Calgary Puck. This reponse would fit in quite well with all the other 14 year olds who frequently post there.

Essentially, you don't know what you don't know. Clearly you have no idea what-so-ever regarding the negotiations with Tim Erixon and his representation. Nor do you have any idea what the timeline was from the Flames standpoint regarding when they started to discuss trade options and who they were talking to. Feaster came out and stated exactly what happend and why it happened, you can listen to the interview on the Fan960's web-site. The Flames did everything they could do. They did start shopping him a week ago, and hypothetically had they traded him then, you strike me as the type that would be flying off the handle because we didn't get good return.

so please leave the long winded blow hard responses for Calgary Puck. Do some homework before you post this garbage. Act like an adult and not like a 16 year old girl who's pissed because she didn't get her dad's car keys for the night.

CP thanks for saying pretty much exactly what I was thinking. I just tempered my reply a whole lot more. The overly emotional rants are both amusing and annoying at the same time.

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#91 Dave
June 01 2011, 10:14PM
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I think we can all agree that this is a no win situation for the flames. We can all say what we want about erixon but the facts are he is a ranger now ... the major question that has to be asked now is "what next?"

I used to have a little bit of pride and confidence in the defence that we were bringing up in our system. Are D prospects are running pretty thin now ... I think it'll be tougher to justify moving regher now, for that matter it'll be interesting to see if they move ANY D. I wonder if they will draft a defensmen now.

I think this upcoming year is going to look a lot like last year. It'll be almost impossible/impractical to move anyone. hopefully with good coaching (which I think we have) we'll be able to make a push but I can't see a radically different team showing up next year.

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#92 DieHard
June 01 2011, 10:21PM
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Calgary is going through a cycle right now. All vets, no room for rookies. If the Flames were in re-build mode or even a normal cycle where rookies were expected or appreciated Erixson would have signed last year. He saw a lost cause which is what Calgary will be for the next 1/2 decade. They need youth and good youth and that comes with top 10 picks for 2 to 4 years and then a few more to mature. Good luck Flames. Go Oliers.

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#93 Dave
June 01 2011, 10:27PM
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DieHard wrote:

Calgary is going through a cycle right now. All vets, no room for rookies. If the Flames were in re-build mode or even a normal cycle where rookies were expected or appreciated Erixson would have signed last year. He saw a lost cause which is what Calgary will be for the next 1/2 decade. They need youth and good youth and that comes with top 10 picks for 2 to 4 years and then a few more to mature. Good luck Flames. Go Oliers.

I hope you're wrong but I fear you're right ...

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#94 Resident Oddball
June 01 2011, 11:17PM
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@Nolan Moore

Tough to put the failure to get him signed on Feaster…the Flames gave away all of their leverage when they failed to get Erixon locked up prior to the 2010-2011 season. I do agree that they could have given this more attention earlier in the year and improves on the return…if any of this "interim GM" silliness was a barrier to getting the work done then I think fans have a legitimate reason to be furious with the organization

Honestly, once it was clear that Erixon would not have a real crack at an NHL roster spot, what incentive did He have to stay with the organization? "Loyalty to the team that drafted you" is foolish…it's not like somebody from the Flames scouting org discovered him in the mean streets of a Swedish ghetto, this kid was a world class hockey prospect.

Would it have killed us to sign him to an ELC in 2010 with the option to play in Europe if he didn't make the team? For all I know the Flames may have made an honest attempt to negotiate a year ago, but the ridiculous power-play that nearly cost us Giordano leads me to suspect that Erixon was also given the my-way-or-the-highway treatment. Furthermore, if they did try to sign him in 2010, they obviously failed and proceeded to sit on their thumbs for a year.

I know a lot of folks are choked at Erixon but the way I look at it is: whether or not you agree with how Erixon went about his business, shame on the Flames for having been so badly outmaneuvered by the Erixon camp.

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#95 Greg
June 01 2011, 11:20PM
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On the trade itself, I think it was as good as could be expected. There was no chance the flames were getting a first round pick for erixon, they had no leverage to negotiate with. It's not like they could threaten "give us a first, or we'll hold on to him". Every team new they only had to beat the 2nd rounder they would get otherwise. Unless they got a bidding war going, they weren't going to do much better, and even then, no team would give up an early first round pick for a guy they could probably draft with that pick instead, especially when there's a chance they could do better (you never know when a cam fowler is going to drop all the way to #12). Erixon isn't exactly a can't miss prospect yet either, according to bob mckenzie some teams still had him pegged as a 2nd rounder. I was merely hoping they'd get a 2nd and another depth pick, so to get 2 seconds and a prospect who may never make the NHL but has at least surpassed what you'd expect for a fifth rounder is actually a pretty good return. It's still a terrible trade, but given the circumstances, I think Feaster can rightfully say it was the best that could be done.

On not being able to sign him however, ugh. but I can see erixons point of view. There's 4 NMCs of various flavors ahead of him on defense, and the cap situation is ugly enough that there was a non-trivial chance he'd get put in the minors because the flames wouldn't be able to keep his contract and bonuses (which count against the cap this year) on the roster. It's not like we haven't seen that done here before. And yes, if he looked at how Backlund was treated last year, I don't blame him at all for not wanting to be here. That's all legacy problems from Daryll-Days, and I think we all knew we were going to have to be patient and wait for that to work itself out. Personally I think Feaster took a suicide mission because he could very well get blamed and fired for everything that goes wrong here the next 1-2 years that no GM, dead or alive, could do anything about.

That said, if details come out that it was just a $200k difference and erixon wanted the org to show some faith in him and tell him the 5th/6th spot was his to lose, then I do think blame shifts back from Sutter to Feaster, cause the hit we took on having to make that trade was certainly greater than that.

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#96 RKD
June 01 2011, 11:43PM
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Two ways at looking at this, in the past 18 months the Flames have traded Dion Phaneuf, Keith Aulie, Ian White, and now Tim Erixon. From the sounds of it, Erixon didn't want to play unless he was guaranteed a roster spot. Is he better than TJ Brodie?

The reality is the Flames should balance out the playing time of the defencemen. Jay-Bo's numbers have to go down right away, he's being overplayed and overmatched against the best forwards. Let the other d share in the workload.

It's not all doom and gloom, Roman Horak had 78 points in 64 games in the WHL. Those are decent stats.

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#97 Smokes and cokes
June 02 2011, 12:29AM
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Am I the only one who actually thinks trade is good? Not only do we get a extra second rounder we also get an 80point WHLer, good value for a guy who has yet to prove anything. As crazy as it sounds we should have traded him to Edmonton for one of there young stud forwards, he would have signed with the young swedes they have. Anyways I think feasted did what he could and I wish Erixon the best in NY, it's obvious he needed a change of scenery, he has the makings of being a stud D man there and should get the time to develo........Win Win for both teams

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#98 CitizenFlame
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@Greg

"There's 4 NMCs of various flavors ahead of him on defense, and the cap situation is ugly enough that there was a non-trivial chance he'd get put in the minors because the flames wouldn't be able to keep his contract and bonuses (which count against the cap this year) on the roster."

With the cap going up, and if Calgary traded or buried a couple of contracts they could have made Erixon's ELC work. Not to mention, how many defense are under contract right now? Erixon was practically guaranteed a 5-6 spot with the club. And moving beyond this year, Regehr's contract would be up before Erixon's ELC so there would be room to manoevre when the time came. Those are all excuses created by the Erixon camp to provide him with justification for going to NY.

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#99 icedawg_42
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CitizenFlame wrote:

"There's 4 NMCs of various flavors ahead of him on defense, and the cap situation is ugly enough that there was a non-trivial chance he'd get put in the minors because the flames wouldn't be able to keep his contract and bonuses (which count against the cap this year) on the roster."

With the cap going up, and if Calgary traded or buried a couple of contracts they could have made Erixon's ELC work. Not to mention, how many defense are under contract right now? Erixon was practically guaranteed a 5-6 spot with the club. And moving beyond this year, Regehr's contract would be up before Erixon's ELC so there would be room to manoevre when the time came. Those are all excuses created by the Erixon camp to provide him with justification for going to NY.

BINGO! Rangers wanted Erixon bad - Erixon wanted Rangers bad...how did he know. Tampering?

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#100 the-wolf
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CP is GARBAGE wrote:

dude,

leave the over-emotional reactions for my favorite web-site, Calgary Puck. This reponse would fit in quite well with all the other 14 year olds who frequently post there.

Essentially, you don't know what you don't know. Clearly you have no idea what-so-ever regarding the negotiations with Tim Erixon and his representation. Nor do you have any idea what the timeline was from the Flames standpoint regarding when they started to discuss trade options and who they were talking to. Feaster came out and stated exactly what happend and why it happened, you can listen to the interview on the Fan960's web-site. The Flames did everything they could do. They did start shopping him a week ago, and hypothetically had they traded him then, you strike me as the type that would be flying off the handle because we didn't get good return.

so please leave the long winded blow hard responses for Calgary Puck. Do some homework before you post this garbage. Act like an adult and not like a 16 year old girl who's pissed because she didn't get her dad's car keys for the night.

First off, I hate CP even more than you do.

Second, CP comments are all in the positive on this one. As always, because no criticism is tolerated there. So I would NOT fit in. Nor did I. which is why I was banned fromt here eons ago.

Third, Feaster stated in the interview that hr and Craig only came to the conclusion thi sguy wouldn't sign sometime on Tuesday.

It's a straight forward entry level contract. They should've smelled something was up.

Fourth, this forum is for the free exchange of ideas. If you want conformity and to be a Flames PR, go back to your beloved CP. You DO fit in there, obviously.

Fifth, I'm tired of this organizations mismanagement. This is just one more example. Considering it's been 22 years of frusturation my repsonse was pretty tame. So, as a fan, I have every right to be ticked off and no matter how you spin it, it sucks and it's the Flames fault.

Sixth, name-calling should be beneath you. I guess it's not.

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