Calgary: The New Edmonton

Ryan Lambert
June 02 2011 02:41PM

 

 

Remember all those fun times you had? Making fun of the Oilers has been really and truly great since their Cup run ended hilariously in a Game 7 loss to Carolina.

Flames fans shouldn't be laughing any more, because their beloved team is the one to avoid like the plague.

I read Steinberg's piece on assigning blame yesterday with a mixture of bemusement and disbelief. I had seen the spinmeisters try to couch the failure to sign Tim Erixon as the only thing that could be done, but from Pat, whose opinion seems more worthy of consideration than most others in the Calgary Media Pompom Club put together? It was surprising to say the least.

The crux of his argument boiled down to his answers to three questions:

1) Why did the Flames let it get this far? 

2) Why didn't they have contingency plans in place?

3) Why didn't they do all they possibly could to keep this player around?

These were all explained away as the organization doing the very very best it could to make a very bad situation at least palatable. And personally I find the implication of such to be offensive.

I'm not an idiot, for one thing. Those that would have you believe the Flames did the very best they could are very putting lipstick on pig. One which has been lying in a puddle of slop, dead, for a week. But let's answer the questions in order.

First, why did the Flames let it get this far? They had to very much believe that a deal could be worked out. That's fair enough. Bargaining in good faith with your top prospect is, I assume, a fairly important thing for a team to do. But at some point, it had to become apparent that Erixon's wants or needs as a player — and again, he seems to be NHL-ready — were not going to be something the Flames could meet and stay safely under the salary cap. After all, there are an awful lot of bad contracts already on the books (Daaaaaaaaarryl! Daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaryl!) and nearly as many clauses that prevent the team from doing anything with them. This was of course not helped by that baffling Glencross no-movement clause, which Feaster certainly had a lot to do with.

Second, as the deadline wore near, the apologists assume, Feaster had his ducks very much in a row. They'd trade him to the New York Rangers, where his dad played, for two half-decent second-round picks and a third-decent NHL prospect in Roman Horak, whom no one in the league has ever heard or thought of as anything beyond a somewhat viable third-rate prospect at best. Because that made sense. 

Any sign of collusion — Erixon being signed by his new suitors almost the second he was traded, for example — has been largely ignored by both the team and media. Was it really mere happenstance that he was traded to and immediately came to terms on a deal with the team whose arena he was born within 20 miles of? Surely there had to be one team from the other 28 possible that could have cobbled together an even slightly better package than what the Rangers offered, right? Let's not forget, the kid was a first-round pick two years ago and has been playing against men ever since. I find it remarkably difficult to believe two seconds and a throw-in prospect was the prettiest girl at the cotillion. 

Third, the answer to why Feaster didn't do all in his power to keep Erixon around is very much tied to point No. 1.

"The kid just didn't want to play here," everyone shrugs, as if that somehow should alleviate concerns. We'll likely not find out any time soon exactly why Erixon didn't want to come to Calgary, but one supposes it wouldn't have been for the lack of opportunity to get decent minutes right away.

I'll be optimistic first: More likely it was tied to one of two things which are, again, related: they couldn't squeeze his bonus demands in under the cap in accordance with their other plans (which I'm assuming include a long-term, big-money extension for a Mr. A. Tanguay), and/or there simply wasn't a guaranteed NHL roster spot for him.

If the latter is true, then Feaster is worse at his job than most of us thought (and most of us think he's really quite bad at it). If the former is true, then Feaster is worse at his job than most of us thought (and most of us think he's really quite bad at it).

Neither would be indicative of a GM who knows what he's doing.

Should your long-term plans, or hell, even short-term plans, involve denying what is apparently an NHL-ready 20-year-old bruising defenseman a legitimate chance or even the outright promise of claiming a roster spot, because you really like what known quantities such as Adam Pardy, Anton Babchuk or (god forbid) Steve Staios bring to the table, then you are a complete and utter moron.

Similarly, if you're not prepared to shuffle some chairs around this particular deck of the Titanic to squeeze such a player in, then you are entering your job as steward of a team that needs a total rebuild with the entirely wrong mindset. 

Now let's be pessimistic, and say that Erixon really didn't want to play in Calgary.

Uh oh.

That would be a very, very bad thing indeed. Most kids would fairly jump at the chance to play for any NHL team that they were lucky enough to be drafted by, right? Erixon's got the bloodlines and grew up cheering on the team he was traded to, but Taylor Hall's from Calgary, and you can bet he's just pleased as punch to be pulling on an Oilers jersey every night. So if players are now actively avoiding Calgary for the simple fact that it's Calgary, then the Flames have a major problem on their hands.

The entire league used to giggle up its sleeve every time a half-decent player did all in their power to stop playing for Edmonton. Mike Comrie and Chris Pronger asked out of town, Dany Heatley blocked a trade there and instead headed to San Jose, a few guys whose names I forget agreed to contracts in Edmonton and then went elsewhere anyway. Haw haw haw. Funny stuff all around.

That might now be what Calgary is. Maybe it already is. We didn't think about it at the time, I guess, but the "major" acquisitions of last summer weren't exactly the kind of earth-shattering blockbusters the Jay Bouwmeester deal was. Olli Jokinen and Alex Tanguay, picked up off the discard pile and called "progress." It almost doesn't matter that Jokinen was serviceable and Tanguay was excellent this past season, because they could have just as easily not been. But the message is clear: we're long past the days of Calgary being a major free agent — or now, apparently, draftee — destination.

Maybe that's a function of the topheavy quality of the team's current cap structure, which, by the way, isn't changing soon. But maybe players also see what's perceived to have happened to Bouwmeester — he was great now he sucks, so the legend goes — and they say they don't want a part of it. Maybe they see that the team's primed for a rebuild and don't want to be around when it's is losing 50 games a year. 

Who can blame them, any more than they could blame Pronger and Comrie and Heatley and Nylander (was that one of them?) for not wanting to go to Edmonton? Not me. Shouldn't be you either.

None of the above questions have answers that qualify as "good" or "comfortable." And anyone trying to tell you this is anything but a massive disappointment and black eye for Feaster and this organization has their head so far up the team's ass they've set up a base camp in its small intestine.

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#1 MC Hockey
June 02 2011, 04:20PM
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I think you are all mostly delusional! The player with the agent with a reputation for shenanigans fooled Feaster so he had to make the trade as that's where Timmy wanted to go.

So yes, Feaster gets some blame, but the agent was obviously dealing in bad faith. Feaster's predecessors caused the situation with bad contract signings (too tight to salary cap to keep Timmy on roster).

So all this "we are the next Edmonton" is all B.S. - we have simply NOT had a bunch of players avoid Calgary or ask to be traded out...all the players who could leave like Tanguay, Karlsson, Glencross, Morrison WANT to stay. You're delusional for sure Ryan. Write a better article next time!

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#2 robbhope
June 02 2011, 05:12PM
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Wow.

I'm honestly shocked that this is even being talked about. You ramble off about 5 different occasions where players didn't want to play for the Oilers (and yes, I did laugh at each one) and then the ONE TIME where a player refuses to play for Calgary, we get compared to the bottom feeders of the NHL? Are you joking? "Taylor Hall as happy as punch?" REALLY? I know Taylor Hall, as difficult as that may be for you to believe, he was desperately hoping that Edmonton wouldn't be his destination, but he's a nice guy and never said anything bad about it. We've watched Flames games together for many years - he loved the Flames.

Anyways, don't you think this whole ErixonGate joke is more a player wanting to play for NYR than NOT wanting to play for Calgary?

And seriously, bottom line to all of this - if he doesn't want to play for us then good riddance. Period.

Besides, if everything you bashers are saying is true, then our organization IS going to suck for many years......and then we will become this NEW OILERS TEAM that we've all heard is so amazing. Lots of terrible, terrible years, only to soon find the promised land....right?

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#3 Colin
June 02 2011, 04:32PM
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"First, why did the Flames let it get this far?"

I think one of the big things you glossed over or didn't even mention was that the Flames were NOT allowed to even negotiate with him since the start of the SEL season, through the playoffs and once Erixon made the WC team, even through that tournament.

Feaster should be the last person to get the blame, King and Sutter should shoulder most of it for not signing him last summer, and if they couldn't get it down last summer the building blocks for a proper trade should have been laid.

The Fact is, at some point this kid, his dad and agent made the decision he was only gonna play for Daddies team, I mean you don't have to believe Feaster, but if he wasn't gonna play here he wasn't gonna play here, bad cap management or not.

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#4 Tach
June 02 2011, 04:44PM
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"I'll be optimistic first: More likely it was tied to one of two things which are, again, related: they couldn't squeeze his bonus demands in under the cap in accordance with their other plans (which I'm assuming include a long-term, big-money extension for a Mr. A. Tanguay), "

Well Feaster said he offered him the rookie max. I guess he could be lying, but that would be obviously falsifiable by the agent and he hasn't denied it.

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#5 Michael
June 02 2011, 04:45PM
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@Colin

I don't blame Feaster for not being able to sign Erixson, but clearly he shoulders the blame for misreading the situation and failing to maximize the return. Feaster gambled and took this thing down to the wire, gave NY all the leverage, and had to settle for sixty cents on the dollar...

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#6 Karasu89
June 02 2011, 04:57PM
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you guys are basing this "no one wants to play in calgary" bs on what one news paper guy said once on the radio (dowbigin ..i could be wrong) that some agent told him that players do not want to play here.

so great read, good input but we are not the new edmonton. soo just because some kid from sweden doesn't want to come to calgary adn wants to go play where daddy played then so be it. good thing they traded him

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#7 MC Hockey
June 02 2011, 05:06PM
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@the-wolf

Massive blow my arse! Whatever dude, we got lots in the trade...did you LOOK at Horak's stats???

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#8 DieHard
June 02 2011, 06:52PM
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MC Hockey wrote:

I think you are all mostly delusional! The player with the agent with a reputation for shenanigans fooled Feaster so he had to make the trade as that's where Timmy wanted to go.

So yes, Feaster gets some blame, but the agent was obviously dealing in bad faith. Feaster's predecessors caused the situation with bad contract signings (too tight to salary cap to keep Timmy on roster).

So all this "we are the next Edmonton" is all B.S. - we have simply NOT had a bunch of players avoid Calgary or ask to be traded out...all the players who could leave like Tanguay, Karlsson, Glencross, Morrison WANT to stay. You're delusional for sure Ryan. Write a better article next time!

Tanguay is what 31 or 32 and has no where else to go. Calgary offered and he accepted.

Karlsson is backup goal tender - so what.

Glencross is 29/30 is really a 3rd liner (what 3rd loiner gets NMC).

Morrison is what 60 or 61. Where is he going?

Calgary is the new Edmonton because of cap issues, team age and basically going no where. There is no prospect depth, no future excitement and with Calgary staying the course will get mid-round picks for the next few years and go no where. Free agents will avoid. When you become a powerhouse, free agents will come even to Edmonton. Calgary has to rebuild (ala Edmonton) and the sooner the better.

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#9 DontDamnMe
June 02 2011, 07:10PM
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MC Hockey wrote:

I think you are all mostly delusional! The player with the agent with a reputation for shenanigans fooled Feaster so he had to make the trade as that's where Timmy wanted to go.

So yes, Feaster gets some blame, but the agent was obviously dealing in bad faith. Feaster's predecessors caused the situation with bad contract signings (too tight to salary cap to keep Timmy on roster).

So all this "we are the next Edmonton" is all B.S. - we have simply NOT had a bunch of players avoid Calgary or ask to be traded out...all the players who could leave like Tanguay, Karlsson, Glencross, Morrison WANT to stay. You're delusional for sure Ryan. Write a better article next time!

Who's the Delusional one here... Truth Hurts to read don't it? Don't worry it's gonna hurt alot more in about 2 years when the Truth is staring you in the mirror. Flames are in MAJOR...MAJOR TROUBLE. Nobody wants to sign with a below average, and slowly getting older/worse team....not to mention a crap shoot of talent coming up the pipe line. With not one exciting prospect.....NOT A ONE.

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#10 Palt
June 02 2011, 07:37PM
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Ryan Lambert wrote:

I couldn't in good conscience call this "Contrarian Corner" because I feel like no one can disagree with any of this.

Personally, I disagree with you, and I agree with Steinberg. After having a day to think about it rationally, there's no chance that the Flames did'nt do their absolute best to sign Erixon. Your "Feaster not trying his best to keep Erixon around" is junk, since Feaster offered him the rookie salary max, and other bonuses.

"Why did the Flames let it get this far'? Cuz they couldnt negotiate during the SEL season and playoffs, and the World Championships.

And all this BS about players not wanting to play for Calgary. Like REALLY? One freakin prospect says no to playing here, and thats ONLY cuz he wanted to play in New York, and you and Eric Francis are screaming "THE FLAMES ARE THE NEW OILERS, NO ONE WANTS TO PLAY IN CALGARY ANYMORE!"

And your saying the Flames' moves last summer were quiet cause nobody wanted to come there?

"But the message is clear: we're long past the days of Calgary being a major free agent destination." The Flames have never been a team that tries to sign big names to big money contracts on July 1, thats not the way the organization does business. The only time the Flames ever attracted a big name during free agency was Jay Bouwmeester, and thats cuz they had his rights before. Just because the Flames don't go out trying to sign big name players doesnt mean that nobody wants to play here.

Yes, the Flames lost a pretty darn good prospect who didnt want to play here, but I'm sure there are plenty of players who would like to play in Calgary.

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#11 smtorsch
June 03 2011, 07:37AM
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It's a lot like if you were dating a girl for a while. Things were going well. Your friends were jealous of how smart and attractive and funny and successful your girlfriend was. You could really see a fantastic future together. Coming up on your second anniversary together, you decide to take things to the next level. You propose to her and ask her to move in with you.

But she says no.

You beg her to stay and promise her the moon but it's not enough. She says, she's not interested in that right now and wants to see other people. Instead of beginning the next phase of your beautiful life together, she dumps you and moves in immediately with another dude.

Then, it hits you. This past month or so, she did seem a bit distant. You realize that during that time she wasn't happy and was daydreaming about being elsewhere. With someone else. The last time you had sex, your ex was probably thinking about that new guy.

But you're not going to sit there and wallow in your own pity. You're not going to be alone on Friday night. No. You go out and you pick up someone else the same night you were dumped. Sure, she's not as pretty as your ex. She might be carrying a few extra pounds and she seems way too content with her retail job at the Gap but she's into you. And she's enthusiastic.

You ex may have told you "it's not you, it's me" but when it comes down to it, that's a lie. It is you.

You and your ex spent almost two full years together. You were close and she got to know you quite well. Warts and all. She knows who you are and even though you promised you'd changed, she witnessed how you behaved in the past and wasn't convinced things would be different. You weren't good enough for her. She didn't just want someone different. She wanted someone better. You weren't good enough.

You might be tempted to wish ill upon your ex and pray that her new relationship ends in disaster. Cross your fingers the new guy gives her herpes. When it comes down to it, the best revenge is to simply live well. Become a better person.

I was angry at Erixon at first but, upon a few days of reflection, the lion's share of the blame has to fall at the feet of the Calgary Flames. If this is not seen as a wake up call by the front office then this entire organization is in more trouble than we think. I've never been a proponent of a full scale rebuild and we're still in the early days of Feaster's "plan" but I'm quickly losing faith.

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#13 Kent Wilson
June 02 2011, 02:57PM
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I don't disagree necessarily - this is a massive black-eye to the team and organization as a whole. I just don't know if we can really assign the failing to Feaster personally. The issues are more diffuse and the roots go back to all the things that have caused the club's downfall: poor cap management, reputation of shunting younger players aside, etc.

James Mirtle asked me what I thought the real issue with Erixon was. My very brief explanation: the kid took a look at the cluster**** the Flames have been over the last two years and said "no thanks". Which is basically what you're saying here I think.

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#14 Michael
June 02 2011, 02:59PM
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Great but disturbing piece..

I really believe the Flames ownership missed an opportunity to clean house this season. They left King in charge, and he hired Feaster a middling status quo GM. The team is a lower middle of the pack club with no vision, no prospect's and boat loads of over priced unmoveable contracts. Feasters appointment and tenure to date suggests that this isn't going to change for the better.

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#15 Kent Wilson
June 02 2011, 03:03PM
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@Michael

I agree. I was sure King's boat was tied to Sutter's and that he'd go down with Darryl should he ever get fired. Apparently not.

The owners really missed their chance last off-season, not this one. They could have cleaned out the upper offices, hired a guy like Yzerman and really started fresh.

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#16 Robert Cleave
June 02 2011, 03:08PM
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Kent Wilson wrote:

I agree. I was sure King's boat was tied to Sutter's and that he'd go down with Darryl should he ever get fired. Apparently not.

The owners really missed their chance last off-season, not this one. They could have cleaned out the upper offices, hired a guy like Yzerman and really started fresh.

They won't fire King until the STHs and sponsors start to yelp. Much like up in Stinktown, there's a powerful bias to continuing the status quo management style until serious money begins to be lost.

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#17 Kent Wilson
June 02 2011, 03:16PM
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@Robert Cleave

And that's probably it. Revenues speak louder than fans, the media, etc. It also makes sense: if a dude seems to making you money, you don't fire him, whatever other considerations there may be.

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#18 wattree
June 02 2011, 03:26PM
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The other side may be that with all the immovable contracts Jay is the designated scape goat for the next 4 years. Why bring in someone talented or with great promise (Stevie Y) when they are gona spend the next 4 years getting their butts handed to them in the media because they can't fix this team. Let Jay take in on the chin since he seems the type of guy to be able to take it.

If they're lucky Jay figures something out and pulls a rabbit outa his butt and they build a winner.

If not then they spend a couple years evaluating what their scouting department can do. A true re-build as everyone was asking for before xmas needs to start with your hockey ops and go from there. Why accumulate draft picks if you can't tell the difference between Daigle and Crosby? Once they have guys in place that can spot those winners and late rounders that blossum, and have played out the bad contracts, then you bring in the rock star. Then you can build a winner based on the "new NHL". The team as assembled would have been just fine in the clutch and grab era, but Darryl couldn't adjust to the new normal.

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#19 rubbertrout
June 02 2011, 03:36PM
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You had me at "cotillion".

Once the balance of power in bargaining goes you start getting late 1st round draft picks dictating the terms of deals that arguably should have little to negotiate on.

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#20 rubbertrout
June 02 2011, 03:38PM
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@Kent Wilson

I like Yzerman but let's be honest, he had a hell of a lot more to work with in Tampa Bay than he would have had here. Nobody would be calling him the executive of the year if he was in Calgary because, with all of the bad contracts and NM/NTCs he would have inherited, there probably wouldn't have been a whole lot he could have done.

His biggest move? Trading for Roloson--a low risk high reward gamble.

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#21 Kent Wilson
June 02 2011, 03:47PM
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@rubbertrout

My opinion of Yzerman was high long before the playoff run. He made a lot of good gambles in the off-season that I was on-board with. I've liked pretty much everything he's done so far in TBL so far, although granted the body of work is small.

Stuff he's said to the media has impressed me as well. He's one of the first GM's I've heard come out and say explicitly that he doesn't need a goon.

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#22 rubbertrout
June 02 2011, 03:52PM
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@Kent Wilson

I'm not saying I don't like Yzerman. I think it shows smarts to not mess with a good thing by making a bunch of moves simply to put his "brand" on things. I just find the amount of credit given to him by the media for a relatively small body of work (which I'd agree has been pretty well done) is a bit over the top.

The success of Tampa this year was more a product of what was already in place but it seems like Yzerman gets credit for it.

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#23 the-wolf
June 02 2011, 04:54PM
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Colin wrote:

"First, why did the Flames let it get this far?"

I think one of the big things you glossed over or didn't even mention was that the Flames were NOT allowed to even negotiate with him since the start of the SEL season, through the playoffs and once Erixon made the WC team, even through that tournament.

Feaster should be the last person to get the blame, King and Sutter should shoulder most of it for not signing him last summer, and if they couldn't get it down last summer the building blocks for a proper trade should have been laid.

The Fact is, at some point this kid, his dad and agent made the decision he was only gonna play for Daddies team, I mean you don't have to believe Feaster, but if he wasn't gonna play here he wasn't gonna play here, bad cap management or not.

Not allowed to negotiate with and not talk to are 2 different things. This was your top prospect for the lsat 2 years. You should have a better book on him, be in almost constant contact with him. All of the "issues" could've been addressed without negotiating term/salary. He's still the teams's property.

No, Feaster is not to blame alone, but he does share in it. Him and Conroy (sigh) were naive and let it go too long.

On the other hand, if Erixon refused to negotiate with nay other teams then those teams wouldn't deal for him leaving NYR as the only team.

Howerver, at the end of the day this has been Feaster's team for over 5 months and it's a massive blow to the organization. You just lost your best prospect who was ready to step right in for a 2nd round pick.

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#24 Colin
June 02 2011, 05:05PM
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Michael wrote:

I don't blame Feaster for not being able to sign Erixson, but clearly he shoulders the blame for misreading the situation and failing to maximize the return. Feaster gambled and took this thing down to the wire, gave NY all the leverage, and had to settle for sixty cents on the dollar...

Feaster had since May 15th to June 1st to negotiate a contract, at that point in time every other team knew his situation and the best thing he got was the extra second rounder from the rangers(we were gonna get an extra second and swapped 5th rounders). Every other team knew his situation and no one else from all accounts made an offer, pretty much everyone knew what was gonna happen and no one wanted to waste thier picks or prospects trading for someone who wasn't gonna play.

If we were gonna get value we should have traded him last summer, if he didn't sign last year he should have been traded then, Sutter didn't do his diligance then and its failing us now. To say Feaster didn't get full value is doing him a diservice, what else was he gonna do in Two weeks.

He flew out to NY and met with his agent, everything that his agent said was a problem with Calgary was recitified by Feaster, max contract, group A+B bonuses, NHL roster spot(most likely 4 to start), and a clause to send him back to Europe if he didn't want to play in the AHL. The fact is he didn't want to play here, plain and simple he listened to Daddy and wanted to play with the Rangers and it makes me hope he does poorly.

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#25 forsure
June 02 2011, 05:50PM
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HaHa, Calgary has always been a prefered destination for hockey players right? The funny thing is (pure speculation on my part) Tim Erixon would probably loved to have signed in Edmonton because there might be a future and half of the 2014 swedish olympic team will come from the oilers as opposed to having to slug a full blown rebuild in calgary...laugh it up,, bask in the glow of your wonderful paradise of a city every one wants to live and play hockey in, but the truth is Good Talent wants to play for great teams, or in great cities (new york) and Calgary obviously doesn't offer either of these to the impartial non albertans, Welcome to the new hemrhoid of the NHL.

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#26 SmellOfVictory
June 02 2011, 06:46PM
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No one ever claimed it was a preferred destination, but perhaps somewhere in the middle as opposed to down near the bottom.

Either way, everyone is making too large a deal out of this. This team has been managed into the crapper for years, and that aside I'm convinced from what I've read that Erixon had his heart set on NYR. The blame for how this fiasco transpired can be placed primarily on Sutter and King's shoulders, in my view; Erixon and his agent should've been more forthcoming with the fact that he simply wouldn't sign in Calgary, period, but even telling Feaster that two weeks ago may not have bought that much more trade leverage. Sutter probably shouldn't have drafted the kid in the first place (again, given what I've read about his preferences), and since he did draft him he should've traded his rights away earlier. As to the people who are demonizing Erixon: he's a f***ing 20 year old kid. To call him a prima donna because he has preferences as to where he wants to start the first 6 years of his career is pretty rash. From what Feaster said, Erixon didn't communicate well, and that certainly threw an umpteenth wrench into the works, but he's still entitled to his choices.

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#27 Kent Wilson
June 02 2011, 07:40PM
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@rubbertrout

Fair enough. My focus wasn't so much his rep in the media...more the fact he would have made a better option than staying with Darryl for another half year then hiring Feaster (eventually).

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#28 Zach
June 02 2011, 08:30PM
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listen guys this isnt an unheard thing, some kids(agents) are pompous pricks and think they can dictate... i dont want to play in que,edm,cgy,minn there's a large list... it happens... ide rather get rid of em now then in 2 years deal with this crap. if you dont like calgary f*ck Ya, see ya. i watched a lot of world juniors he got BURNED a lot oh well think of the future and be positive!!!!! You cant say hes a top 2 defender .. he might turn out to be sh9t, and the 2nd round pick be excellent you never know!!!!

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#29 MC Hockey
June 02 2011, 08:37PM
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DontDamnMe wrote:

Who's the Delusional one here... Truth Hurts to read don't it? Don't worry it's gonna hurt alot more in about 2 years when the Truth is staring you in the mirror. Flames are in MAJOR...MAJOR TROUBLE. Nobody wants to sign with a below average, and slowly getting older/worse team....not to mention a crap shoot of talent coming up the pipe line. With not one exciting prospect.....NOT A ONE.

Whatever dude, go back to Edmonton. We have several good prospects...just becuase you don't know about them just makes you look like a dough-head.

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#30 MC Hockey
June 02 2011, 08:40PM
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Tanguay is what 31 or 32 and has no where else to go. Calgary offered and he accepted.

Karlsson is backup goal tender - so what.

Glencross is 29/30 is really a 3rd liner (what 3rd loiner gets NMC).

Morrison is what 60 or 61. Where is he going?

Calgary is the new Edmonton because of cap issues, team age and basically going no where. There is no prospect depth, no future excitement and with Calgary staying the course will get mid-round picks for the next few years and go no where. Free agents will avoid. When you become a powerhouse, free agents will come even to Edmonton. Calgary has to rebuild (ala Edmonton) and the sooner the better.

Yah your angry comments mean alot to everyone who is an intelligent fan. Good job...there is classes for that! LMAO.

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#31 MC Hockey
June 02 2011, 08:42PM
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Guess you forgot about the last 45 games where the Flames were world-beaters! If Dutter was gone sonner we would be in the Cup final...what...it could have happened.

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#32 Drew
June 02 2011, 08:54PM
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I totally second Robhopes comments. Im a flames fan living in Edmonton and the flames fans are turning into what Edmonton fans are. Negative, whining, we need to fire everyone, trade everyone.. what a joke..

Feaster came on the radio and said exactly what happened. No matter what they did, Erixon was not going to sign with us. Sather knew (probably spoke to him, his agent who work is new york, or his dad) and swooped in stealing this kid. Erixon didnt wanna play for us, see you later. No need to bash the entire flames organization. Sometimes its no ones fault. I blame Erixon and Sather.. They got what they wanted and Feaster had no cards to play.

I dont see the flames as the oilers. We still have good pieces in place. Negativity.. Enough already.. Fans don't turn us into the oilers

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#33 DieHard
June 02 2011, 09:17PM
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Yah your angry comments mean alot to everyone who is an intelligent fan. Good job...there is classes for that! LMAO.

My comments weren't meant to be angry just trying for a little honesty. Check this out: http://www.hockeysfuture.com/nhl_organisation_rankings/

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#34 Willi P
June 02 2011, 09:27PM
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Great post mchockey,

This topic has been TOTALLY overblown. Now, nobody wants to play in Calgary because some snot nosed kid wants to play for the NYR's.

Why don't we worry about getting Tanguay signed and developing our existing/future talent.

Oh yeah, because then we wouldn't have anything else to rant about.

Move on ppl, there is bigger things to think/worry about than Erixon who was never going to play here anyway.

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#35 DontDamnMe
June 02 2011, 09:31PM
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Whatever dude, go back to Edmonton. We have several good prospects...just becuase you don't know about them just makes you look like a dough-head.

NOBODY outside of Calgary knows who these prospects are...and not too many IN Calgary know either, not the honest ones...thats the problem, even if 1 or 2 turn out...it just won't be enough. I'd rather be an Edmontonian-doughhead, then a delusional Flames fan, trying to hope/wish his team is'nt gonna suck for the next 5-8 years. I know what the future holds in Edmonton. Taylor Hall, Jordan Eberle,Paajarvii,Omark,Petry,Peckham,Hamilton, Teubert, Martindale, Dubnyk, Bunz, 3 picks in the top 31 this year(probably Nugent-Hopkins at center...been a good while since flames had a true #1 Center, NO?)....to Calgary's 1 Pick in the top 100 Picks... Joey Leach, that Kronwall kid , TJBrodie,Reinhart,Ryan Howse...Leland Irving will be a decent goalie maybe...for a crap team in the middle of a rebuild. Yeah...nice prospect list.Try again Bologna Boobs.

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#36 Willi P
June 02 2011, 10:06PM
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Most of you guys are pathetically sad,

I am on business travel in Winnipeg this week and have encountered the joy of landing a NHL team in a city that lost theirs and most people are overjoyed to have the chance to have it again. I was in Calgary when the Atlanta Flames moved here, the same sense of joy. I celebrated the early years and the years of success culminating with the SC in 1989.

I lived through the lean years.

I enjoyed the run in 2004 (albeit from a distance)

Now, everything is negative. Constant complaining, Sutter does this, now Feaster does that.

Calgary still has a good team. I think they will surprise many next year. Moan about it all you want, but I have been a fan since the beginning and seeing these people in Winnipeg, I remember the joy of getting the Calgary Flames. Whatever happens, whatever mistakes they make and wherever they end up in the standings, they are still my team and I will always cheer for them (especially one Mr. Iginla who has had to put up with undeniable bull**** and has never wavered)

Complain about Sutter, King, Feaster etc. Remember the guys on the ice, past and present. The current crop has always wanted to win, and I am sure almost all want to be here. Many past players that were not born here grew to love the city, and the culture, stayed beyond their careers to contribute to a vibrant society. Cry and complain all you want but we are far better off than many NHL cities both in lifestyle and hockey teams.

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#37 rod blogojevich
June 02 2011, 10:24PM
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Lambert, I know you're from Bahhstan, but have you ever been to Calgary? Its safe to say that Calgary is very, very far from becoming Edmonton.

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#38 rubbertrout
June 02 2011, 10:30PM
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Agree 100%. You start giving everyone big money, term, and NMCs regardless of what their role on the team is and everyone starts thinking they are someone special. It is cultural. The core is getting older and slower. The secondary scoring is also getting older and slower. Everyone is locked up forever (except the one guy who needs to be signed in Tangs). When pluggers get NMCs there aren't going to be substantial changes on the horizon.

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#39 rubbertrout
June 02 2011, 10:33PM
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Whatever dude, go back to Edmonton. We have several good prospects...just becuase you don't know about them just makes you look like a dough-head.

Who? I don't think that Calgary is ranked particularly high for its prospects in the system.

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#40 44stampede
June 02 2011, 10:56PM
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I don't give Feaster a free pass although he is not as much to blame as King.

Feaster should have been kicking the tires on the kid around the league since he got the interim tag. Our first clue that the kid was not that interested in playing should have been that he hadn't signed yet. All of the other 1st round picks from the same year had. Of course it's possible (at the time we didn't know) that he was just waiting for the best possible deal from the Flames but from the organization's point of view, they should not have gambled with this much on the line. Now that we do know that he got offered the max contract and still didn't take it makes it so much more frustrating.

I think the kids camp are a@#holes for not making their intentions known earlier but the reality is that the Flames shouldn't have trusted them. Feaster is a friggin lawyer (or was) and should know that protecting the client is the first priority. They gambled and lost...

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#41 BCFLAME
June 03 2011, 12:55AM
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Ha, Ha!! Your description of Erixon as an "NHL-ready 20-year-old bruising defenseman" almost made me laugh. Bruising? The kid barely throws a body check! Did you actually watch him play at the Juniors? He was the least physical specimen in a Swedish team whose hatred of the Canadian juniors bordered on the comical. He hasn't been any different in the SEL.

Gentleman, lets call a spade a spade. Erixon has the potential to be a good fourth to sixth option as a d-man in the NHL. He is usually sound positionally, moves the puck well, and can chip in offensively somewhat. He has some upside on the PP, as well.

He is not a top pairing defenseman, unless I've been watching and reading about the wrong Swede the last couple of years. I mean the kid has not even played a single game in the NHL, and people are thinking he's the next Lidstrom or Lidstrom lite?

What is truly the saddest part of our beloved club is the fact that Erixon was considered the best of our prospects. Yep, a kid with no more than second paring potential was the jewel of our crown. I don't know whether to laugh or smash my head into my laptop!!!!

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#42 BCFLAME
June 03 2011, 01:15AM
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Furthermore, knowledgeable fans of the Flames, junior hockey, and the AHL will know that Lambert is full of s@#$ in his characterization of both Erixon and the supposedly piteous condition of the Flames (yep, might as well close the doors of the saddledome since we can't get a swedish prospect to play here).

In my estimation -and I have watched the HEat play multiple games, in addition to catching a handful of ICE playoff games -Reinhart is our true jewel. He may not turn into a first line center capable of putting up big numbers (although I do not dismiss that possibility) he is nevertheless a complete player. He is defensively sound; capable of playing opposing biggies to a draw at the very least; has a knack for quarterbacking the pp; and scores or sets up clutch goals. The kid's a combination of Langkow and Plekanec.

Similarly, Brodie is a natural talent. HE has way more offensive upside than Erixon, although his defensive game still needs some fine-tuning. He also is not very physical, but I was amazed at how much he has improved his defensive skills playing on his relatively weaker side (great ploy by the coach, by the way). And I cannot stress this enough: Brodie was explicitly told to curtail his offensive propensities until he rounded out the defensive side of his game. Nevertheless, the kid still finished top three in scoring on a weak team. He has natural talent that simply cannot be taught.

In sum, nothing in Erixon's game enabled him to be the world-beater some Flames fans conceived him to be. Two decent seconds and Horak are fair value for his talents, imo, although I would have preferred to keep him. I'm relieved we still have Reinhart, Brodie, and, to a lesser extent, Wahl, Nemiesz, and Howse (for those of you who ridicule his abilities besides shooting, lets see you find a kid of comparable age capable of putting up almost 100 goals in two seasons with no supporting cast to speak of).

What is more important is that our scouts actually parlay these upcoming picks into decent to great prospects. We need to identify forwards that can acutally be molded into to top 3 d-men or top six forwards.

Erixon -as you will see in the upcoming years -was not that prospect.

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#43 Todd
June 03 2011, 07:45AM
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WOW there are sure a lot of dumb fans in Calgary. Congrats pions you have given 960 something to talk about, and probably helped Walker and them keep their jobs. It's the OLDEST trick in the book. Heck they are even doing it right now, with their " how angry are you Flames fans with a Van victory" crap. BAHAHAHA.

They need ratings and something to talk about, so THEY spun this Erixon thing out of control. MEdia 101.

Yes losing your top prospect was a bad thing, but until Iggy/ and Kippersieve want out, Calgary is certainly NOT Crapmonton. Iggy is the only player on your team I actually respect, kudos on the solider thing.

I kinda feel bad for uncle Festerrrr I mean Feaster. Darryl's bad contracts and terrible drafting will be felt on your team for a while. The Dion Phaneuf trade is the gift that keeps on giving. LOL

Vancouver is the new IT place to be, look we are 3 wins from the cup.

YOur ex-prospect is like that chick who has lost interest, because you are the nice guy. She spun a bunch of excuses like "it's not you it's me, I just want to be single now, I am not ready to date" blah blah blah then hitched her ride to the guy she really wanted to date.

You guys have only 4 Dmen under contract and he said he was worried about not getting a chance to play? BAHAHA. Riiiiiiiiiiiight. His dad probably got brainwashed by DARTH SATHER himself and they churned this up.

Don't worry Flames fans you still have Pelech, Chucko, and the hardest worker in every draft coming.

SCORE!!

Hey Bergeron if you don't want somebody to bite your fingers, then stop sticking your hand in people's faces.

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#44 icedawg_42
June 03 2011, 08:14AM
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I don't buy this "Calgary is undesireable" thing. Maybe it's not the first choice, but it's probably more of a middle of the pack choice. Personally I remember feeling indignant when Lindros refused to report to QC, I even thought Pronger and Heatley were *$& for sticking it to Edmonton, but I also realize that they have every right to try to be in a place they WANT to be. As far as Erixon goes, I have no problem with him wanting to be in NY, or ONLY wanting to be in NY. My problem is (if Feaster is to be believed) that Erixon had nothing to lose by being upfront and professional with Calgary and saying off the bat "Trade me to NYR or im going to the draft". Granted, Calgary could have turned around and said "go ahead" - but they could have done that anyway. It just sounds like this agent had something to prove, or had some reason to stick it to the Flames. It also really smells to me of tampering.

In any case, let's see what comes out of this draft. As a 19 year old junior, Horak's points are respectable, but as always, be VERY careful assuming success in junior will translate to the next level. It is NOT a slam dunk that the Flames have received any real value in return for Erixon - NOR is it a slam dunk (though odds are in his favor) that Erixon will ever be anything more than a 3-4-5 D man.

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#45 rubbertrout
June 03 2011, 08:18AM
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Fair enough. My focus wasn't so much his rep in the media...more the fact he would have made a better option than staying with Darryl for another half year then hiring Feaster (eventually).

100% agreed.

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#46 icedawg_42
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100% agreed.

Darryl had already been around about 1 calendar year too long. January 30 2010 was the apocalypse for the Calgary Flames. F*cking Stajan.

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#47 It's Hall Over!
June 03 2011, 10:13AM
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The situation in Calgary has actually been going on for a lot longer then people think.

Remember Chris Drury. He wanted out ASAP.

Remember Tanguay's first stint with the Flames. He asked for a trade more then once.

Sutter just had a way to manipulate the fans that everything was smooth, when in fact it wasn't.

The Flames are in the exact same spot as the 07 Oilers. Overpaid veterans on the downside of their career, no salary cap room, and a lacking prospect pool.

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#48 Colin
June 03 2011, 10:28AM
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The situation in Calgary has actually been going on for a lot longer then people think.

Remember Chris Drury. He wanted out ASAP.

Remember Tanguay's first stint with the Flames. He asked for a trade more then once.

Sutter just had a way to manipulate the fans that everything was smooth, when in fact it wasn't.

The Flames are in the exact same spot as the 07 Oilers. Overpaid veterans on the downside of their career, no salary cap room, and a lacking prospect pool.

Whoa Whoa Whoa, lets back the horse up on the Tanguay situation, that was PURELY related to the coach at the time(which again is Darryls fault, but not my main point), that coach is no longer here. It had nothing to do with the city or the guys he was playing with, it all had to do with how he was being utilized.

For a guy making around 5 or so mil at the time, he was playing 2nd/3rd line, PKing time and not even first unit PP time. His numbers were way down and in his opinion he wasn't being utilized to his fullest potential. Had he stayed on a line with Iggy(he should have never been off of it) and given proper PP time and let proper PKers do the penalty killing instead of what was suppose to be our second biggest offensive producer, I VERY VERY much doubt he would have left.

His complaint was a VERY VERY SPECIFIC complaint, not that the entire Organization was terrible, or the whole cap situation was terrible, or there was no young guys coming up in the system terrible, no it was one single coach was ****ing terrible. And the fact that the Coach was fired and not retained for his whole contract and Tanguays recent performance with Iggy kinda shows that we decided to move the wrong guy earlier

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#49 icedawg_42
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Yup - Colin's right on the mark there. It's well known that Tanguay's problem was with Keenan.

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#50 oilersfaninedmonton
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The situation in Calgary has actually been going on for a lot longer then people think.

Remember Chris Drury. He wanted out ASAP.

Remember Tanguay's first stint with the Flames. He asked for a trade more then once.

Sutter just had a way to manipulate the fans that everything was smooth, when in fact it wasn't.

The Flames are in the exact same spot as the 07 Oilers. Overpaid veterans on the downside of their career, no salary cap room, and a lacking prospect pool.

Other than the clarification about Tanguay's situation that has already been made, this point is bang on. For all the talk in Calgary about the need to rebuild, there continues to be a perception here that the Flames basically have a good team. Just look at the last half of this past season or just look at the first half of the previous season. For all the mockery everyone in Calgary likes to make of the Oilers, at least the Oilers fans and management have bought into the reality that more fundamnetal changes had to be made to their roster and at least they've taken some steps in that direction. Without some similar realization in Calgary, next year and maybe the year after the team will hover around 8th place (possibly) but never really be a serious cup contender. Thereafter things will be even worse. I know people will say that the Oilers were forced into their rebuild beause their overall situation was worse. Whatever, Flames fans still need to wake up to the reality that its pretty bad for them too and your prospects for improving things in the long run don't appear to be getting any better.

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