FlamesNation Draft Board

Kent Wilson
June 24 2011 09:28AM

 

 

The first round commences this evening and in anticipation I asked each writer here at FN to put together their own "draft board" or ranking of players they would like to see the team pick with the 13th overall choice (assuming nothing changes in the interim). Without further ado, here's how things shake out:

Rank Pat Robert Kent Ryan
1 Bartschi McNeill Bartschi Scheifele
2 Klefbom Scheifele McNeill McNeill
3 Grimaldi Bartschi Phillips Jurco
4 Scheifele JT Miller Grimaldi Bealieu
5 McNeill Oleksiak Siemens Oleksiak

Robert on his choices: 

1. Mark McNeill: A physically mature right shooting center that could slide to the wing if need be is pretty much right in the sweet spot for Calgary. Unless the issues are severe, I always look at motivational questions about 18 year olds with a bit of a jaundiced eye, since, you know, they're 18. If that's the main beef people have with McNeill, he should be OK.
 
1A. Mark Scheifele: Another center with potentially good physical tools and likely a smidge more skill than McNeill. The two of them are pretty close in the eyes of most observers, with Scheifele having a small edge in the rankings. He's more finesse than power at this age, but he'll have a year or two at least before he tangles with men. I'd be fine with either guy
 
3. Sven Bartschi: Skilled winger that's a bit small, and he's been a 5'9" power player in the Dub. That won't fly in the bigs, so he might have to re-invent himself somewhat to find an effective role as a pro. Nice enough player, though, and his compete level is good. He's a notch below the first two guys just based on stature, because the skill levels are pretty analogous.
 
4. J.T. Miller: Power center that's already fairly mature physically, but his skill level looks a bit below the top three. He still seems fairly solid with all that said, and his downside might not fall past third line forward, which isn't optimal for the 13th pick, but it's that sort of draft. I'd likely be about as content with Armia or a few other guys as Miller, to be honest.
 
5. Jameson Oleksiak: If the Flames are going to take a defender, which I wouldn't necessarily advocate, they might as well take a player that could be a top two guy based on his physical gifts. The fact that he survived in the NCAA as teenager is a good sign, and since his skating seems at least acceptable for a big defender, there might be something there. If his top level is more Hal Gill than Tyler Myers, c'est la vie. Duncan Siemens would be OK as a defence pick as well, but I saw just enough of him this year on the tube to wonder what the fuss was about.

Ryan defenders his picks:

Mark Scheifele: Not too many overagers on a bad Barrie team, and he still put up 22-53-75 as a 17-year-old. He also led Canada in scoring at the U18s a while back, and if he's around, I'd hope Calgary would jump on him. Big boy, too.

Mark McNeil: He had 80 points in 71 games, and he plays a very sound game at both ends of the ice, and "people" "say" he could "be" a latter-day Ryan Getzlaf.

Tomas Jurco: RW - So handsy. So skilled. Check YouTube.

Nathan Beaulieu: He's a good defenseman and Calgary seems to be able to develop those, and those only, these days. He might be the best available at 13.

Jamieson Oleksiak:  Saw him a couple times this year playing for Northeastern and he's big and occasionally drifts into meanness. He'll get the chance to develop both that and his offensive game in college.
 
Pat's thinking was explained in this post earlier.
 
Some interesting names. As I mentioned on Flamesnation radio yesterday, things open up a great deal after the top-tier of talent in this draft, so narrowing down the choices even at 13 was a difficult task. If we score each choice above according to his FN ranking, we get this consensus board:
 

Player Rank points
McNeill 14
Bartschi 13
Scheifele 11
Grimaldi 4
Klefbom 4
Phillips 3
Oleksiak 2
Miller 2
Beaulieu 2
Siemens 1

I assigned points in a "reverse order" (ie: first ranked gets five points, second gets four, etc) in order to get the consensus list. Unsurprisingly, Mark McNeill comes out on top, although Bartschi and Scheifele aren't far behind. If the Flames indeed end up with two first rounders in the teens today, the "sceond tier" headed up by Grimaldi et al. would become the list for the second pick I think. Feel free to vote for who you think the Flames will take in the poll at right. Of course, if a high-ranked guy like Zibanejad or Murphy falls to Calgary, all bets are off.

Make sure to join us tonight for the FN live chat. We'll get things going around 4:30pm MST.

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#1 Hans Sprungfeld
June 24 2011, 09:41AM
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Not sure how I can respect twolinepass' draft board when he complained about the poor treatment of the Thrash staff when True North moved them, or how the Jets did not mention the Thrashers illustrious history on their website. And using 'Nationalism' as the reason why the Winnipeg team isn't preserving the pathetic past of the Thrashers? Just strikes me as lazy sensationalism. Really seems like the guy leans on his emotions and his own preconceived biases too heavily instead of making his decisions based on fact. Gotta get this guy off The Nation, I'd rather see some pro-Canadian analysis instead of the opinions of some confused, self-loathing Bostonian.

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#2 icedawg_42
June 24 2011, 10:42AM
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Kent I'll direct this question at you because your list pretty much matches mine, here's a scenario for you. If the Flames land the #16, and assuming Bartschi is gone at #13, do you take McNeill at #13? Then the REAL question becomes, do you stick with your chosen next best and take Phillips at #16...or do you go high risk/high reward (since you've already played safe at #13) and take Grimaldi as opposed to Phillips? - that's what I think I'd do.

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#3 Dave
June 24 2011, 11:01AM
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Here's the thing. People are all against the small guy and think that it'll be too tough to make it. As long as his head and work ethic are in the game he'll do fine. If he has the skills to compete then that's what matters MOST! Patrick kane is small, st louis is small, Theo flurey is small, there are several guys that are small that make a big difference to there team. I'm not saying it'll be easy for him but it sounds like his attitude will make it entirely possible and i'd say probable that he'll be a legit player in the NHL. take him. His talet sets him above the rest. who cares how small he is. I don't see him as a huge risk and it would be a mistake to pass on him. I'd love to see us get buffalo's pick and take him with the #16. His work ethic and skills will improve the players around him too. He's my guy.

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#4 mayhemsince1977
June 24 2011, 11:05AM
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Unless we trade up or down, I think McNeil is nearly a lock. I do beleive he said the Flames were his team in a interview somewhere.

Worst day for productivity at work (thanks Buffalo). Today would be so much better not knowing about Reggie. I feel like I am at a bus stop at 3am waiting for a bus (could be a long wait).

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#5 mayhemsince1977
June 24 2011, 12:11PM
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re: Ryan Smyth...When did we rehire Darryl?

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#6 Colin
June 24 2011, 01:05PM
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Kent Wilson wrote:

I'm really conflicted about Smyth. I mostly don't think it makes sense - he's older, it's possible he'll fall off a cliff next year and his cap hit is awful (6.23M), particularly for a team like the Flames who are up against it already.

On the other hand, he had really decent underlying numbers last year, so there's evidence he can still play. I guess that's the one comforting item if this thing goes down.

His numbers may have been bolstered with some really talented line mates, I don't think he's gonna have that same kinda comfort here, especially if we take his salary we are not signing Tanguay, if we could sign Tangauy at least Smyth could fall to the second line with Langks and Bourque and maybe he slots in better.

If we don't sign Tangs, Smyth becomes a defacto top forward and on a team with old guys, adding another one doesn't sound like a top line thats gonna be strong in the offensive zone.

I'm still really hoping that the Kings HAVE to take some salary back, if not I hope the owners are willing to EAT a bunch of bad contracts.

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#7 wattree
June 24 2011, 09:39AM
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If they do ship Reg, do any of you think a focus on D needs to be considered? I personally hope they stick to the "best player available" speech Feaster gave. I believe it's better to address filling a hole with a FA or a trade at the time then try to fill a hole 2 years from now with a draftee. Draft the best and build around them.

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#9 the-wolf
June 24 2011, 10:28AM
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TAKE GRIMALDI!

Fact of the matter is that he has a higher ceiling than McNeill or anyone else Calgary has a shot at.

He's a special player and those types of guys don't come around very often.

His size is of no concern to me and nor should it be to anyone who is a Flames fan considering one of our best ever players was also that size - albeit different styles.

But the strength, work ethic, training,compete and talent are all there.

To me it's a chance for a home run vs. a #2 center.

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#10 Colin
June 24 2011, 10:57AM
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My Draft Board(Asuming all of them are there at that pick).

1.)Murphy 2.)Bartschi 3.)McNeil 4.)Siemens 5.)Either of Scheifele or Oleksiak I can't pick at a solid 5 right now.

I never really thought of Murphy before now, but there has been A LOT of talk lately of him falling, and if the Flames have their 13 and they have Buffalos 16 if the trade goes through they can probably get one McNeil or Siemens with that pick, though 2 Dmen with both first rounders will probably send a few people into fits. Though I'd be okay with it, our strength always has been defence and look at Vancouver, that defence carried that team through the playoffs, it wasn't until they started going down with injury they really got exposed(the offense is entirely its own problem, but that D stiffled all three teams in the west and made Loungo look REALLY GOOD).

Gonna be an interesting day thats for sure.

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#11 mayhemsince1977
June 24 2011, 11:08AM
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I heard that the first question they asked each prospect is if they are willing to play in Calgary.

I wonder if anyone was confident enough to say no.

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#12 PDumes
June 24 2011, 11:44AM
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If the newly named Jets pass on Couturier, wonder if he starts a down fall?

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#13 PDumes
June 24 2011, 12:01PM
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Per Gord Miller. CGY and LA are close on a deal that would send a late round pick to the Kings for Ryan Smyth.

Late round okay, but now the Regehr deal HAS to happen.

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#14 Colin
June 24 2011, 12:17PM
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PDumes wrote:

Per Gord Miller. CGY and LA are close on a deal that would send a late round pick to the Kings for Ryan Smyth.

Late round okay, but now the Regehr deal HAS to happen.

If the Kings are not taking ANY bad salary back this is a terrible deal, we need to send a hagman+Ivanans back in the deal or this doesn't work. yeah we can eat those two guys in Europe or waivers or whatever, but eventually we can't just eat 10million a year in salary./

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#15 everton fc
June 24 2011, 12:22PM
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Again... if we are moving Reggie for Smyth...

Madness. And I like Smyth!

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#16 Vintage Flame
June 24 2011, 12:28PM
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Nooooooooo. The mulletard is coming to Calgary?

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#17 everton fc
June 24 2011, 12:31PM
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Smyth coming here... Could this signal the end of Tanguay? Maybe they move his rights at the draft this evening??

Thoughts?

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#18 PDumes
June 24 2011, 12:35PM
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Well yeah the money is steep, but I'd take one year of Smyth, over 4-5 of hot and cold hockey that is Alex Tanguay.

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#19 negrilcowboy
June 24 2011, 12:36PM
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ryan smythe, i would rather have rye n water.

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#20 Flamin Cannot's
June 24 2011, 12:41PM
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I thought the Dutter era was over? I sure hope Feaster is sending salary the over way...he is 35 years old making 4.5 mill! Does he have a NTC - probably...sigh

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#21 PDumes
June 24 2011, 12:44PM
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@Flamin Cannot's

Yeah I guess he'd waive to come to Calgary or Edmonton.

Loyalty to the province, which is fine, seeing that the media has now dubbed us along with Winnipeg as "unattractive markets"

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#22 Monaertchi
June 24 2011, 12:45PM
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I respect Smyttie and the grit he brings to any team, but at a cap hit of $6.25M? NO.

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#23 znzen
June 24 2011, 12:48PM
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The Smyth trade must be part of something bigger. It has to be.

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#24 the-wolf
June 24 2011, 12:48PM
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Trade is worked out according to TSN, but owners have to approve it and there's still an even chance they could say no to it.

So much for the buck stopping with Feaster.

For the record, I am AGAINST this trade. Not a player we need and too much money, even for 1 year.

Speaking of which, how is it that we can trade for Smyth, but not find the money for Tanguay? Last I hear Tanguay wanted 5 million/5 years. Too much, but I'd do 5 million for no more than 2 years.

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#25 Flamin Cannot's
June 24 2011, 12:49PM
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Tanguay is a better fit for Iggy, than smyth - the flames are weird, I thought it was Dutter but maybe it is King? I just don't get this move...

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#26 PDumes
June 24 2011, 12:53PM
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I still believe it begins and ends with Ken King, sooner he gets out the better this Org will be.

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#28 Flamin Cannot's
June 24 2011, 01:01PM
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Kent Wilson wrote:

I'm really conflicted about Smyth. I mostly don't think it makes sense - he's older, it's possible he'll fall off a cliff next year and his cap hit is awful (6.23M), particularly for a team like the Flames who are up against it already.

On the other hand, he had really decent underlying numbers last year, so there's evidence he can still play. I guess that's the one comforting item if this thing goes down.

and surprise, surprise, another NTC! I thought Feaster was smarter than this! Another weird move by the flamers....

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#29 the-wolf
June 24 2011, 01:01PM
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Someone suggested to me that if Stajan goes back the other way it's good.

I'll agree with that, but I'm not sure that would happen. Why would LA want that?

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#30 CA Flames Fan
June 24 2011, 01:03PM
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I'm not sure conflicted is a strong enough word. The $$ in terms of cap hit don't make sense, adding another past prime player for those $$ doesn't make sense when there is a need to get Tangs signed OR keep some cap space in the back pocket. Is this Dutter in a Jay Feaster suit?

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#33 Colin
June 24 2011, 01:11PM
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ALSO LOL @ RYAN SMYTH AND LOL @ THE FLAMES, apparently he's not lifting his NTC yet till him and his agent can talk to the oilers some more about the return so that he can go to the Oil.

Pretty sad when someone wants to badly get out of LA to be closer to family in Alberta and he doesn't want to come to Calgary./

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#34 Dave
June 24 2011, 01:24PM
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remember last year how some guys were calling for calgary to tank and get a high draft pick... well if we go after smyth, let tanguey walk, trade regehr... you got your wish. I'm not saying it's bad but I don't think we'll have a competative team next year and that means a high draft pick next year along with way more cap space.

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#35 PDumes
June 24 2011, 01:29PM
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Dave wrote:

remember last year how some guys were calling for calgary to tank and get a high draft pick... well if we go after smyth, let tanguey walk, trade regehr... you got your wish. I'm not saying it's bad but I don't think we'll have a competative team next year and that means a high draft pick next year along with way more cap space.

And in what's supposed to be a kickass draft class as well! I'm down.

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#36 coptin_
June 24 2011, 01:30PM
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i think even with tangs ang reggie i dont see the current roster making the playoffs anyway.most teams are getting younger and faster,we just get old.maybe king is in charge and feaster is just a puppet,or edwards is and he obviously dont know hockey.any way it only gets worse from here,WERE THE NEW EDMONTON

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#37 jealous broadcaster
June 24 2011, 01:39PM
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If the Flames are so horny for Smyth why not wait a year when he's on sale (UFA) and they don't need to mortgage the future to get him.

The very last thing the Flames should be doing is moving picks & prospects for short term gains.

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#38 Monaertchi
June 24 2011, 01:41PM
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jealous broadcaster wrote:

If the Flames are so horny for Smyth why not wait a year when he's on sale (UFA) and they don't need to mortgage the future to get him.

The very last thing the Flames should be doing is moving picks & prospects for short term gains.

Yup!

You wanna go do karate in the garage?

Yup!

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#39 mayhemsince1977
June 24 2011, 01:42PM
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This Smyth situation is starting to sound similar to offering a contract to an RFA just to make the other team pay more than it wants to (refer to the Kesler signing a few years back).

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#40 everton fc
June 24 2011, 01:46PM
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Kent Wilson wrote:

I'm really conflicted about Smyth. I mostly don't think it makes sense - he's older, it's possible he'll fall off a cliff next year and his cap hit is awful (6.23M), particularly for a team like the Flames who are up against it already.

On the other hand, he had really decent underlying numbers last year, so there's evidence he can still play. I guess that's the one comforting item if this thing goes down.

Is his cap hit 6.23M or 4.5M next season. I've heard both...

Smyth can still play. And he'll still be able to play when he's 37. He's like Recchi... Roberts... A guy who'll be around, if he chooses, into his late 30's... Putting up 50+ points/year.

He's certainly more gritty than Tanguay, and willing to put the puck on net. He, like Moss, will also go places many Flames forwards won't.

Suppose Smyth is placed w/Iggy, and Tanguay goes... Who centres the line? Not Backlund. Could Paul Stastny be available?

I'm torn by this move. I like Tanguay. Seems a decent guy. Younger than Smyth. Different type of player. Why not give him a 3-4 year deal?

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#43 everton fc
June 24 2011, 01:53PM
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Kent Wilson wrote:

Smyth's cap hit is 6.25M, but his actually salary is 4.5M.

Thanks.

Now, I officially say this move makes no sense. I'd rather keep Tanguay for 3-4 years...

It only makes sense if your moving Bouwmeester. Doesn't it?

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#44 Flamin Cannot's
June 24 2011, 01:59PM
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good eff 960 says the sh** smyth-ee deal can't go down right now cuze of the flamers cap situation. lets hope they don't make room...

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#45 jealous broadcaster
June 24 2011, 02:01PM
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Kent Wilson wrote:

I assume the Flames won't be giving up much for Smyth if it happens (6th rounder or something). The cap hit is the big issue, even it's just for one season.

It looks like you're right. If it's 5th round or beyond the deal isn't bad, but you're as you mention the salary leaves the team dry-humping the cap with more roster spots to fill.

Stajan's salary is really becoming a huge issue. Imagine if the cap didn't jump to 64+ Million.

Still fired up about 13 + 16 today though (if that's what Regehr turns into).

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#46 PDumes
June 24 2011, 02:19PM
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So sometimes it pays to be run by idiots.

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