#LUON8O

Wanye
June 07 2011 11:49AM

"If ever there was a time for a good ol' fashioned comeback this would be it. Win G3 for heavens sakes Boston you owe it to humanity." - Baron von Wanye von Gretzelstein IV, CMA , yesterday.

What a wonderful turn of events. Bigups to @NHL_imagineer for another great pic. This guy brings it almost as hard as the Bruins did last night.

GAME PLAY

There is already acres of digital print devoted to the Canucks collapse in G3 last night and there will be acres more made before the puck drops again tomorrow. Sure, we could talk about how Luongo should have been pulled earlier in the game or about how losing a defenceman so early in the match essentially effed the Canucks into a fifth game.

OR we could watch this video of some girl absolutely ruining the Stanley Cup Finals for her boyfriend last year.

Yes, let's leave the commentary to the experts and the quasi related MTV comedy shorts to your ol' pal Wanye.

ROME v HORTON

That hit was crazy late and anyone who says that it isn't doesn't understand the terms 'crazy' or 'late.' We can understand the value of throwing a big hit if you are a Canuck D-Man but this is roughly example 1,457,923 of headshots that need to be taken out of the game.

Horton is out for the rest of the series and Rome now has a 4 game suspension.

Great.

EBERLE PLAY OF THE YEAR

Jordan Eberle is in the finals for the TSN play of the year with his heart stopping snipe against the Flames in the first game of the year. A goal so stupendous that it caused a bright eyed Wanye to run from his season screaming and purchase an Eberle jersey on the spot.

This sort of play deserves the full vote rigging attention of the Nation. If you have time speed over to TSN and vote for the good guy will ya?

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#51 Bill up North
June 07 2011, 04:34PM
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Dman09 wrote:

I'll be honest I'm not a Canuck fan but when I watch that hit. I don't think it was a suspension. I honestly don't think it was that late. It was less than a second from the time the puck left Horton's stick to the time he got hit. Tell me, if you have already started to go for a hit, can you stop in a fraction of a second? Not likely. I didn't see any other evidence to suggest it was dirty in any way. I think the reason this has been blown up so big was due to the fact that Horton was injured. The injury is likely due to the fact that he was admiring his pass while heading into an opponents zone rather than looking at where he was going. We was injuried because his head smacked the ice after the hit. I think that had he been paying attention he wouldn't have been injured. I can't blame Rome for following through with the hit because it takes an individual a fraction of a second to press their brakes in a emergency. Now you have two guys heading towards each other with speed and you expect one to stop in a fraction of a second. Physics won't allow it.

The hit was extremely late. I don't know if you've played hockey before, but one full second after making a pass like that is an eternity. Horton made his pass and then made two full strides before Rome stepped into him.

He wasn't expecting the hit because the play had moved so far up ice and he was trying to get back in the play. Every player on the ice was watching the puck and the play (except Jim Rome).

When you make a pass at the red line, there is no way you should be expecting to get hit at the blue line.

The ref and the NHL made the right call for once.

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#52 S.Tambellini
June 07 2011, 04:38PM
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Dman09 wrote:

I'll be honest I'm not a Canuck fan but when I watch that hit. I don't think it was a suspension. I honestly don't think it was that late. It was less than a second from the time the puck left Horton's stick to the time he got hit. Tell me, if you have already started to go for a hit, can you stop in a fraction of a second? Not likely. I didn't see any other evidence to suggest it was dirty in any way. I think the reason this has been blown up so big was due to the fact that Horton was injured. The injury is likely due to the fact that he was admiring his pass while heading into an opponents zone rather than looking at where he was going. We was injuried because his head smacked the ice after the hit. I think that had he been paying attention he wouldn't have been injured. I can't blame Rome for following through with the hit because it takes an individual a fraction of a second to press their brakes in a emergency. Now you have two guys heading towards each other with speed and you expect one to stop in a fraction of a second. Physics won't allow it.

Your explanation of the hit is flawed. Check out Rome when Horton passes it. He is moving backwards, not charging at Horton with no time to veer or stop. Also, it was nearly a full second between the pass and the cheap shot hit.

And your explanation that it was the ice that injured him is great. By that logic, Claude Lemieux shouldn't have been suspended in 1996 or Dale Hunter in 93 since it was the boards that mangled Draper's face and separated Turgeon's shoulder.

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#53 Bill up North
June 07 2011, 04:43PM
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S.Tambellini wrote:

Your explanation of the hit is flawed. Check out Rome when Horton passes it. He is moving backwards, not charging at Horton with no time to veer or stop. Also, it was nearly a full second between the pass and the cheap shot hit.

And your explanation that it was the ice that injured him is great. By that logic, Claude Lemieux shouldn't have been suspended in 1996 or Dale Hunter in 93 since it was the boards that mangled Draper's face and separated Turgeon's shoulder.

I watched the replay again after reading this and you're right. Rome doesn't even begin to make his move to hit Horton until AFTER Horton passes the puck. That just makes it worse. I hope Horton is ok. Could be a long recovery.

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#54 Bill up North
June 07 2011, 04:51PM
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Ender wrote:

Bill up North wrote:

When you make a pass at the red line, there is no way you should be expecting to get hit at the blue line.

That's a fair comment. Is it also fair to say that if you make a pass at the red line, you might be expected to take your eyes off your pass for a second somewhere between there and the offensive zone?

That too, would be a fair comment. I think Horton was watching the play by that time and trying to anticipate what Lucic was gonna do. Just my opinion tho.

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#55 Lofty
June 07 2011, 05:00PM
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Dman09 wrote:

I'll be honest I'm not a Canuck fan but when I watch that hit. I don't think it was a suspension. I honestly don't think it was that late. It was less than a second from the time the puck left Horton's stick to the time he got hit. Tell me, if you have already started to go for a hit, can you stop in a fraction of a second? Not likely. I didn't see any other evidence to suggest it was dirty in any way. I think the reason this has been blown up so big was due to the fact that Horton was injured. The injury is likely due to the fact that he was admiring his pass while heading into an opponents zone rather than looking at where he was going. We was injuried because his head smacked the ice after the hit. I think that had he been paying attention he wouldn't have been injured. I can't blame Rome for following through with the hit because it takes an individual a fraction of a second to press their brakes in a emergency. Now you have two guys heading towards each other with speed and you expect one to stop in a fraction of a second. Physics won't allow it.

An NHL defenseman wouldn’t step up on a forward moving at that speed with more than one direction to go. The gap that Rome had with Horton was too big to step up and not be burned. Had Rome stepped up like that and Horton had the puck, he would have taken one step sideways and been home free going right down the middle.

The only reason Rome stepped up like he did, was because he saw Horton pass the puck and wanted to take a shot at him. The only way a responsible defenseman steps up like that is if he has the forward angled properly and knows he's only got one way to go.

I'm suprised that someone who’s handle is Dman 09, would see the play for what it was. An ill timed shot that could really change the outcome of the series.

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#56 Mantastic
June 07 2011, 05:12PM
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@Ender

if you have 1 second to make that puck hits the tape and the other player doesn't boggle the puck or you would have turn around and head the other direction. i don't know if you have enough time to do that and check if there is a player closing on making a hit on you.

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#57 justDOit
June 07 2011, 05:19PM
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Anyone seen a new NFL helmet lately? Watching the back of Horton's head bounce so violently off the ice, I can't help but wonder why NHL helmets are basically the same as they were in the 90s.

Clearly the game has changed, and the players are bigger/faster than ever - but they still wear these thin plastic buckets, lined with one layer of hard foam.

I guess it would look pretty goofy if helmets were any bigger.

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#58 Dog Train
June 07 2011, 05:24PM
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The Rome hit was way late. Sometimes a guy goes to make a hit and the guy passes the puck then he finishes his check. In this case, it looked to me like Rome made up his mind that he was going to crush Horton after he had already gotten rid of the puck.

How can that not be goal of the year?

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#59 Sheldon "Oilers Fan for Life!!!"
June 07 2011, 06:50PM
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Lofty wrote:

An NHL defenseman wouldn’t step up on a forward moving at that speed with more than one direction to go. The gap that Rome had with Horton was too big to step up and not be burned. Had Rome stepped up like that and Horton had the puck, he would have taken one step sideways and been home free going right down the middle.

The only reason Rome stepped up like he did, was because he saw Horton pass the puck and wanted to take a shot at him. The only way a responsible defenseman steps up like that is if he has the forward angled properly and knows he's only got one way to go.

I'm suprised that someone who’s handle is Dman 09, would see the play for what it was. An ill timed shot that could really change the outcome of the series.

I have been in situations just like that and no I could not avoid running in to the player and making contact BUT I did have plenty of time to realize I was just about to clean his clock but it was not fair because he did not see me and I had enough time to turn my body side ways so we glanced off of each other(NO one was hurt). Do not tell me that a Pro is slower at reaction time than an old Biology teacher. HE had time end of story.

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#60 Sheldon "Oilers Fan for Life!!!"
June 07 2011, 06:54PM
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@Lofty

Sorry "Lofty" I really meant to write the above to "Dman09" I clicked on the wrong post to insert my reply. My bad!

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#61 dougtheslug
June 07 2011, 07:02PM
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As the camera scans the two benches at the end of the Rome/Horton debacle a revealing contrast is illuminated - the Bruins are glaring at the vancouver bench with volcanic rage, or staring ahead with steely eyed resolve. The 'nuckleheads are staring at their feet with embarrassment and fear. At that point 8-1 was a foregone conclusion.

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#62 Wax Man Riley
June 07 2011, 07:41PM
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Sheldon "Oilers Fan for Life!!!" wrote:

I have been in situations just like that and no I could not avoid running in to the player and making contact BUT I did have plenty of time to realize I was just about to clean his clock but it was not fair because he did not see me and I had enough time to turn my body side ways so we glanced off of each other(NO one was hurt). Do not tell me that a Pro is slower at reaction time than an old Biology teacher. HE had time end of story.

I have to agree. Hockey is a fast game, and the players' reaction times are almost as fast. When I watch that hit, and see that Horton passes the puck before Rome even starts at him, then Horton has time to take 2 FULL STRIDES. That is a LOT of time on the ice.

Horton takes 2 strides, then gets leveled. Rome watches the pass, doesn't follow the play at all, and goes after Horton specifically to blow him up. It was a very late hit, not in any way finishing a check.

Just like the Torres hits, this would have been acceptable (borderline) a few years ago, but not anymore. The players' health has to be looked at and even though I will agree that Horton was caught admiring his pass, he is now out for the rest of the series, and who really knows how long.

Just as it was a shame that Crosby was taken out for the season, or Hemsky with his concussion, or (insert concussion here), it is a shame that Horton, an emerging talent, is out indefinitely.

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#63 Wax Man Riley
June 07 2011, 07:44PM
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This is coming from the guy that defended Chara due to the fact that Pacioretti knew he was heading to the turnbuckle and, what, didn't expect a 7' monster to rub him out on the boards?

Fast, hard, occasionally dangerous. Hockey players have to remember to not turn their backs to the play (as so many seem to do in order to avoid a check or draw a penalty....hate it so much), and to keep their heads up, but also to be aware of what they are about to do to opposiong players.

This is new to this era. When the players didn't wear helmets and body armour, they had to watch what they were doing or else... they would get hurt.

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#64 Just Wondering...
June 07 2011, 07:52PM
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What ever happened to Hip checks? Just wondering...

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#65 Wax Man Riley
June 07 2011, 07:54PM
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Just Wondering... wrote:

What ever happened to Hip checks? Just wondering...

I actually think hip checks aren't legal anymore. Not open ice hip checks anyway. I believe you can still do it along the boards.

Someone please correct me if I'm wrong.

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#66 Puckbag
June 07 2011, 09:32PM
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Hypothetical question here, but what would everyone's reaction be if for instance someone got their stick up to protect themseleves and in doing so, concussed the hitting player?

For example, if Horton saw Rome coming at the last second and ended up elbowing or butt-ending Rome to protect himself. Would everyone be screaming for a suspension for Horton, even though it was evident that Rome was looking to blow Horton up?

After seeing Torres flying elbow last night during the few remaining minutes in the game, I thought what can a player do to protect himself from that?

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#67 Ender
June 08 2011, 12:46AM
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I don't know the answer to your question, but it did bring to mind a different theoretical something I'd been musing over; let's speculate for a second that Horton turns and looks over the blue line after he makes the pass. He's going to see Rome getting ready to hit him. Who has the momentum at that moment? Rome is almost standing still and Horton is moving almost full speed. So just suppose further that Horton leans forward and lowers his shoulder. Now who gets blown up? Question on the ruling there - I really don't know - if Rome gets crushed on that same play, is there a charging call on Horton or is it Rome's own damn fault? In the eyes of the refs, I mean? Could have been a much different outcome there if Horton had glanced up-ice.

None of that is meant to excuse a late hit. Just pondering alternate universes.

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#68 backburner
June 08 2011, 07:09AM
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@Puckbag

I've seen Owen Nolan do that once... He got his elbow up at the last minute (more to protect himself then to injure the guy) and that's ok in my opinion.

But Rome's hit was blind sided, late, and he left his feet. Horton didn't have a chance on that one... people have the right to be pissed.

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#69 gord962
June 08 2011, 09:03AM
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Horton passed the puck, glided breifly, took two strides and then got hit by Rome. There was oodles of time for Rome to not make the hit. It was clearly a predatory play.

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#70 positivebrontefan
June 08 2011, 09:37AM
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It was late, way late, don't give me the excuse that he didnt have time to shift or adjust his line. He made a concious decision to blow up Horton and he did. Yeah Horton should have been watching where he was going and he wasn't expecting to get hit, that's because he shouldn't have been hit that long after the puck left his stick. I am fully behind people who say players need to protect themselves and keep their head on a swivel but that has it's limitations to. When you go through a green light, at least a light that has been green for a while do you still look both ways before crossing, I'm sure none of us do, however if the light has just turned green you should be looking every time to ensure that there isn't someone trying to run the red. At the end of the day Hortons light was green... for two and a half strides, and then Rome still decided to blow the light.

And don't get me started on Torres, he should be suspended for INTENT to injure on that headhunting elbow at the end of the game. Had he connected, and he fully intended to, he would have put another Boston player in the hospital and have been suspended for the rest of the playoffs as well. I liked the guys reckless style but I think he's gone to far.

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#71 Ender
June 08 2011, 10:00AM
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positivebrontefan wrote:

Yeah Horton should have been watching where he was going and he wasn't expecting to get hit, that's because he shouldn't have been hit that long after the puck left his stick. I am fully behind people who say players need to protect themselves and keep their head on a swivel but that has it's limitations to. When you go through a green light, at least a light that has been green for a while do you still look both ways before crossing, I'm sure none of us do, however if the light has just turned green you should be looking every time to ensure that there isn't someone trying to run the red. At the end of the day Hortons light was green... for two and a half strides, and then Rome still decided to blow the light.

That's actually a pretty good analogy. Props for presenting it like that. One small difference to add; when you cruise through a green light, you expect the intersection to be clear. If you're looking anywhere, though, you're not looking for traffic coming from the sides; you're looking at the oncoming traffic who also are facing a green light and watching for idiots turning left across your path.

Guys entering the offensive zone at speed do not have the automatic right-of-way. A defender can stand on the blueline all day if he wants to. It's not smart and they'll get beat a lot, but they can be there. An attacking player should always be looking up-ice into the 'oncoming traffic' as he crosses the blue line to see if he's about to skate into something on the way in.

I completely understand why Horton wasn't expecting to get blown up, any more than you expect someone to turn left across your path right in front of you as you hit the green intersection at speed. Either way, it's case of being dead right and paying attention can save your life.

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#72 Bill up North
June 08 2011, 01:08PM
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Ender wrote:

positivebrontefan wrote:

Yeah Horton should have been watching where he was going and he wasn't expecting to get hit, that's because he shouldn't have been hit that long after the puck left his stick. I am fully behind people who say players need to protect themselves and keep their head on a swivel but that has it's limitations to. When you go through a green light, at least a light that has been green for a while do you still look both ways before crossing, I'm sure none of us do, however if the light has just turned green you should be looking every time to ensure that there isn't someone trying to run the red. At the end of the day Hortons light was green... for two and a half strides, and then Rome still decided to blow the light.

That's actually a pretty good analogy. Props for presenting it like that. One small difference to add; when you cruise through a green light, you expect the intersection to be clear. If you're looking anywhere, though, you're not looking for traffic coming from the sides; you're looking at the oncoming traffic who also are facing a green light and watching for idiots turning left across your path.

Guys entering the offensive zone at speed do not have the automatic right-of-way. A defender can stand on the blueline all day if he wants to. It's not smart and they'll get beat a lot, but they can be there. An attacking player should always be looking up-ice into the 'oncoming traffic' as he crosses the blue line to see if he's about to skate into something on the way in.

I completely understand why Horton wasn't expecting to get blown up, any more than you expect someone to turn left across your path right in front of you as you hit the green intersection at speed. Either way, it's case of being dead right and paying attention can save your life.

This hit was the equivalent of someone intentionally turning in front of you as you go through the intersection...

And then stomping the accelerator so they slam into you as hard as they possibly can, thus inflicting the highest degree of damage possible to you and your vehicle.

It's just my opinion - which isn't worth spit to anyone else but me - but there is no doubt in my mind that Rome achieved the exact outcome he was trying for.

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#73 Bill up North
June 08 2011, 01:50PM
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Bill up North wrote:

This hit was the equivalent of someone intentionally turning in front of you as you go through the intersection...

And then stomping the accelerator so they slam into you as hard as they possibly can, thus inflicting the highest degree of damage possible to you and your vehicle.

It's just my opinion - which isn't worth spit to anyone else but me - but there is no doubt in my mind that Rome achieved the exact outcome he was trying for.

And I don't mean the suspension...

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#74 Pucker
June 08 2011, 03:19PM
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Bad hit. Deserved a suspension.

The thing about Horton's move is that he made pass, continued to watch pass even as he began to accelerate. It looks like he may have just started to stop admiring his pass just before getting exploded.

I've gotten laid out doing the same thing except the object I ran into wasn't trying to lay me out.

So yes. A cheap shot by Rome but a certain amount of responsibility sits with Horton.

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#75 Next up, is Connor McJesus.
June 08 2011, 04:17PM
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Felt he deserved one game, and only because it was so late. With Hamhuis doubtful and Rome gone i'd run Bieksa,Salo and Erhoff at every chance and have Vancouver put their AHL'ers out there for games 6 and 7.

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#76 dawgbone
June 09 2011, 01:52PM
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Pucker wrote:

Bad hit. Deserved a suspension.

The thing about Horton's move is that he made pass, continued to watch pass even as he began to accelerate. It looks like he may have just started to stop admiring his pass just before getting exploded.

I've gotten laid out doing the same thing except the object I ran into wasn't trying to lay me out.

So yes. A cheap shot by Rome but a certain amount of responsibility sits with Horton.

I don't know what you expect him to do, Lucic is making a play at the blueline and Horton has to know what the big guy is doing.

If you watch Horton, he scanned right to left before making the pass and didn't see anyone in a position to hit him.

After he passes the puck, Rome jumps the gap. Horton has already done his threat assessment and is now following the play.

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