Flames Prospect Update, October 15 2012

Ryan Pike
October 15 2012 12:31PM


 

I don't know about you, but I spent my weekend watching hockey. The Abbotsford Heat returned to action following a fairly successful 2011-12 campaign. The Western Hockey League continued to provide fun games. Heck, the NCAA finally returned and we got a fleeting glimpse of The Big Jankowski against grown men.

Also, the lockout is now a month old, but hockey continues to occur.

The AHL

The Heat won both their games this weekend by a combined 10-3 score. Danny Taylor played both games and was really good. Leland Irving didn't even dress for either game, which may be related to his try-out contract or may be a reflection of under-performance at training camp. Historically, Irving hasn't blown the doors off at camp.

Sven Baertschi was really good. He scored two really nice goals and set up other nice goals. Four points in two games. Roman Horak matched his goal-scoring total from last year in two games. Lance Bouma checked some guys. T.J. Brodie had three assists. Ben Street had three points. Max Reinhart had one assist, but was very effective – particularly in the first game. Dustin Sylvester also had a four point weekend.

Heck, Chris Breen was pretty good this weekend, too. It's hard to imagine the Heat having a better opening weekend.

The Heat's minor league affiliate, the ECHL's Utah Grizzlies, also won both their weekend games. James Martin had two assists, while Bryan Cameron, Gaelan Patterson and Mitch Wahl each had an assist.

Junior and College

Swift Current's Coda Gordon has 13 points in 10 games. He also has yet to take a penalty. Portland's Tyler Wotherspoon has 5 points in 9 games and is second on his team with a plus-8. (He plays with Seth Jones, though.) Vancouver's Brett Kulak has an identical scoring pace. Red Deer's Turner Elson was recently named captain and is scoring on a point-per-game pace (5 in 5).

Mark Jankowski had a pair of goals in his NCAA debut during an 8-2 Providence College win against Sacred Heart. If you've never heard of Sacred Heart, it's because they were the last-place team in the Atlantic Hockey conference last year. Jon Gillies had 14 saves on 14 shots over two periods of action. They were less good in a 4-2 loss to Boston University the next night, but Gillies was third star of that game in a loss.

Boston College lost their first regular season game since January 21 with a 3-1 loss to Northeastern. Johnny Gaudreau had an assist.

The Euros

Karri Ramo is 8-4-2 with a 2.31 goals against average and a .916 save percentage. His team is really, really missing Roman Cervenka, though. Among East Conference teams only Metallurg Magnitogorsk and Amur Khabarovsk have scored less than Avangard Omsk, and the Metallurgs have played two fewer games.

Anton Babchuk has scored once for Donbass Donesk for his only point this year. He plays 20 minutes per game and his only goal was a power-play goal. (For reference, Clay Wilson has four times as many points as Babchuk.)

Joni Ortio is 5-5-3 with a 2.35 goals against average and a .919 save percentage, along with two shut-outs. His team, HIFK Helsinki is 6-5-3 overall and is in a playoff spot, but primarily because they've played more than every other team in the league. His teammate, Markus Granlund, has 5 points in 14 games. He probably misses his brother.

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Ryan Pike is a Calgary native and FlamesNation's managing editor. He's covered the Flames and the NHL since 2010. His work can also be found at The Hockey Writers and The Wrestling Observer.
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#1 Sincity1976
October 15 2012, 11:42PM
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@Kent Wilson

Thanks. I started doing it last season

(results: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AnyM9YkEDoJIdG54bGFvaWJteUd4MUtFemNURnh6RFE&hl=en_US#gid=0). More interested in the prospects then the Flames themselves I guess.

It would be nice if a site **cough ... NHL Numbers ... cough** referenced all players and statistics by the owner club. Capgeek references all contracts but no stat summary (and excludes prospects with no contract). NHL Future has all of the prospects but again no stat summary (and it doesn't include established NHL players). NHL DB and Elite Prospects have great info on contracts and stats, but no consolidated view. Same deal with behind the net (and advanced stats not available for prospects).

It would be interesting to reference the Oiler's prospects and players at a glance compared to our own. For instance. Especially if additional statistics were added (as available).

I was going to add the schedule for each player on an additional tab but haven't got around to it. Perhaps I will find the time in the future.

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#2 T&A4Flames
October 15 2012, 12:55PM
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Great stuff, Ryan. I really appreciate these updates. Good to see that our propects had a great weekend and our 2012 draftees all seem to be doing well.

I also noticed that Jon Gillies was awarded the Defensive player of the week.

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#3 Sincity1976
October 15 2012, 01:40PM
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Don't forget Culkin who has put up 11-points in 9-games as a D.

For those that are interested I track all of the Flames and Heat players and prospects here:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AnyM9YkEDoJIdGJrUUhCTC04ZXJwTW03U3hTckJLNkE#gid=0

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#4 CFan in Vic
October 15 2012, 02:29PM
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I was super excited to see Sven do so well. I found a spot to stream AHL for free, so I watched Friday night. Sluggish off the start, but man did he look good. Would have watched on Sat, but went to a Vic Royals game instead. Stoked to come home and see Sven ripping a huge slapper for his second in 2 games. The same monster slapper that he faked for his awesome assist in game 1. Ward is clearly pleased to have a guy like Sven.

Long story short: SO happy to actually cheer for hockey right now.

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#5 Deaner_
October 15 2012, 02:31PM
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I was at the heat game on Saturday sitting row 2 behind the opposition net and let me tell you, Sven's goal was pure NHL snipe. Most in the crowd (as small as it was) were buzzing about it the rest of the game. Brodie looked dominant, his skating is heads and shoulders above all other heat d men.Too bad the Heat don't get more support, the facility is top notch and the few fans that are there are very into it.

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#6 ChinookArch
October 15 2012, 03:14PM
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Sincity1976 wrote:

Don't forget Culkin who has put up 11-points in 9-games as a D.

For those that are interested I track all of the Flames and Heat players and prospects here:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AnyM9YkEDoJIdGJrUUhCTC04ZXJwTW03U3hTckJLNkE#gid=0

Nice Work!

You should change your handle to "Spreadsheet1976"

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#7 RKD
October 15 2012, 03:26PM
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Awesome, hope Baertschi continues to improve his game and keep refining those skills. 4 points in 2 games is a great start. Nice also to see Jankowski score two in his NCAA debut.

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#8 Bean-counting cowboy
October 15 2012, 03:54PM
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Svensational update!

I can't imagine Sven can keep up that 2.0 ppg pace from juniors as the season wears on, prove me wrong buddy! I'd love for him to outscore, Eberle & RNH though.

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#9 CGY Flames
October 15 2012, 03:57PM
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Great stuff and really appreciate the prospect update. Very well thought out and put together. Idid not watch either Heat games, only saw the highlights. However, I have to say that the goals Peoria scored were extremely soft. Not sure how Danny Taylor gets a "really good" rating with the couple he gave up in the second game. Maybe he made some big stops that weren't in the highlight package but the ones that got by him were bad.

This is what has relegated Irving to the stands? That's flat out scary.

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#11 CFan in Vic
October 15 2012, 05:59PM
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@CGY Flames

Danny Taylor was outstanding in Friday's game (the only one I watched). I fully understand why Ward said it was Dannys net to loose, in the post-game.

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#12 the forgotten man
October 15 2012, 06:24PM
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CGY Flames wrote:

Great stuff and really appreciate the prospect update. Very well thought out and put together. Idid not watch either Heat games, only saw the highlights. However, I have to say that the goals Peoria scored were extremely soft. Not sure how Danny Taylor gets a "really good" rating with the couple he gave up in the second game. Maybe he made some big stops that weren't in the highlight package but the ones that got by him were bad.

This is what has relegated Irving to the stands? That's flat out scary.

Did Irving sleep with Ward's wife? Have I missed something? Is Ward's prime directive to prepare guys for the Flames or to win games in Abbottsford?

Might as well do the honourable thing and just cut bait with Irving if this is the case.

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#13 Baalzamon
October 15 2012, 06:25PM
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I don't mind admitting that I was shocked about Gillies' performance in the 2 games. I thought it was a long shot that people were saying he'd be the starter, but I don't anymore.

does anyone know who Jankowski's linemates are?

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#15 Kent Wilson
October 15 2012, 07:03PM
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@Sincity1976

Nice work.

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#16 JayD54
October 15 2012, 10:31PM
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Wisconsin D John Ramage was -2 in two back-to-back Badgers losses.

Michigan State F Matthew DeBlouw was -3 in two back-to-back Spartans losses.

Not sure if he counts anymore, but Notre Dame F Nick Larson was -1 in back-to-back Fighting Irish wins in the Icebreaker tournament.

Is Ramage wearing the "C" for Wisconsin? It doesn't show that on the website. It was a pretty mediocre team last year and don't expect the Badgers to be much better this season.

As for Larson, with him being a senior after his 2008 draft year, I believe that the Flames retain his rights until his college eligibility is completed at the end of this season. I had thought that the Flames still thought of him as a bit of a defensive guy and because he hasn't shown at a prospects camp, has been off the radar. And don't NCAA drafted players have to pay their own way to NHL camps to retain their eligibility?

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#17 Mark
October 15 2012, 11:03PM
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Went out this weekend and watched the Hitmen take on Turner Elsons Rebels. Turner looked good, plays really hard, even in warm up he was working hard and leading by example, above average skater and have one of our hitmen a pretty good lickin in a right too. Could definately see this kid grinding his way onto a teams 3 or 4 line.

Great article I really hope their are weekly updates with all the news and stats from our somewhat promising prospect pool!

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#18 Mark
October 15 2012, 11:06PM
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And to add to that last comment.. Matt Dumba looked very below average out there. Good skater but didn't use his body and didn't skate the puck whatsoever.

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#19 Jeff Lebowski
October 15 2012, 11:24PM
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How is Reinhart doing, who does he play with and how many minutes? Also what about Seiloff?

I know it's early and this is wild prediction (however I've felt this optimism once the personnel philosophy changed with Sven pick) but these Feaster/Weisbrod kids will be good for Calgary. Give it 6 years (Gaudreau and Jankowski establish themselves after college) and Calgary will be fighting Edmonton for best team in NHL.

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#20 Sincity1976
October 15 2012, 11:46PM
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Reinhart is playing with the Heat. Good first game. Got an assist and played well (by reports). Not as good the second game but still decent (again by reports).

Sieloff is playing in the OHL (Windsor Spitfires). Not doing much on the stat sheet but that isn't his game. Sounds like he has been a physical force and is having a decent season.

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#21 Baalzamon
October 16 2012, 12:45AM
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in further answer to the question "who is Reinhart playing with" his only consistent linemate has been Roman Horak (his LW).

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#22 Deaner_
October 16 2012, 02:05AM
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Jeff Lebowski wrote:

How is Reinhart doing, who does he play with and how many minutes? Also what about Seiloff?

I know it's early and this is wild prediction (however I've felt this optimism once the personnel philosophy changed with Sven pick) but these Feaster/Weisbrod kids will be good for Calgary. Give it 6 years (Gaudreau and Jankowski establish themselves after college) and Calgary will be fighting Edmonton for best team in NHL.

Max also got some PP time with Sven and Sylvester, and PK time with Horak. He looked just OK in Saturdays game.

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#23 ChinookArch
October 16 2012, 10:43AM
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@Kent Wilson

Kent,

At the risk of piling on and adding to your workload, SC1976 suggestions for NHL Numbers site.

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