Flames Trade Targets: Rick Nash and Jeff Carter

Kent Wilson
February 17 2012 12:20PM

 

 

When Jay Feaster approached Brad Richards in the off-season, he proved the Flames are not against a good whale hunt. Luckily for the team Richards rejected their overtures and spared them a future boat anchor contract. With the Blue Jackets apparently blowing it up at the deadline, though, there are more potential whales and boat anchors to be had.

Calgarys short-term and long-term goals are somewhat contradictory. With five supporting players on the sidelines and the Iginla line shooting lights out, the obvious short-term demand is for depth to get the Flames over the injury hump. Long-term, however, the Flames should be looking to augment and improve their core forwards. As we've stated multiple times on this site, Calgary's greatest deficit is in terms of younger, elite level forwards. The current group including Tanguay and Iginla are on the wrong side of thirty and no longer drive possession.

So not only are Iginla et al closer to their expiration date, they are already a tier below the truly great forwards in the league. This is the primary reason the Flames are perpetually mired in the middle of the Western Conference.

The other issue afflicting the team is it's lack of core replacements for when a guy like Iginla rides into the sunset. The captain turns 35 years old this summer and while the organization has a some quality supporting players here and there (Glencross for example) there is a vast gulf between 30-somethings like Tanguay, Jokinen and Jarome and the second wave of the roster who would be expected to take the torch from failing hands.

Mikael Backlund is 22-years old and even with his recent struggles is the best of that age class on the club. Recent additions Blake Comeau and Blair Jones are in the mid-20's, but may not persist past this year and anyways aren't much more than bottom six options. Guys like Reinhart and Baertschi are intriguing but unknown commodities at the NHL level and are likely 3+ years away from being true impact players even if we assume the best case scenario.

The big gap is the 24-29 age group up front. Calgary's inability to yield a single top-six quality talent from the draft over the last decade or so has left the team in the position of trying to perpetually build around Iginla - when in fact they should be moving him into a position to mentor and support the club's next generation of big guns. Imagine, for example, if the Vancouver Canucks didn't have Kesler and the Sedins to take over from Naslund, Bertuzzi and Morrison when the "West Coast Express" inevitably faltered. That's essentially what the Flames are facing now.

One of Jeff Carter and/or Rick Nash would obviously go along way to filling the Flames need for a high-end, 20-something forward. It's rare that such players are made available, rarer still that they aren't merely "rentals" at the deadline peddled by a squad who can't hope to re-sign them. Both Carter and Nash could check a major organizational box in their acquisition. But both come with significant risks as well.

Jeff Carter Issues

Carter has battled injury problems this year, but that's not the primary concern with the erstwhile Flyer. A player who has scored 30+ goals in the previous three seasons while facing other top-six talent, his arrival in Columbus was meant to provide Nash with that "#1 center" he has always needed and finally get the club out of the Western Conference basement.

Instead, Carter was famously distraught with the deal. No one would remember his post-deal hiatus in the summer, of course, except the team's fortunes went south with his arrival. The combination of Nash and Carter hasn't resulted in better output for either player either. The latter is now dogged by questions about his motivation and character, with many fans (and perhaps GM's) wondering if he would rebuff their team in similar fashion should he be dealt again.

On top of all that is a cap hit of $5.273/year which extends until 2020. Carter will be 34 years old when the deal expires, so not outrageously old, but 5+ year contracts always come with cumulative risk that builds up with every additional year. The cap hit is decent for a player of Carter's ilk, but the contract in it's totality is unsavory.

Rick Nash Issues

Rich Nash's contract is probably even worse than Carter's. Nash is 28, signed until 2018, makes $7.8 million per year and has a NMC to boot. Nash is the 5th highest paid player in the NHL, but it's an open question whether he's worth that sort of commitment.

Although the Blue Jackets captain has been a capable sniper since he broke into the league, he has never taken the next step into the truly elite category. Like Iginla these days, Nash plays against other good players, but he doesn't drive the puck north with aplomb. This year, for example, his corsi is -0.64/60, even with a zone start of 53.8% - one of the easiest on the team. Carter isn't much better with Columbus, but he has a history of driving play to a greater degree. Nash, in contrast, has been mediocre in terms of possession for at least three years now.

Truly great players in the NHL both outshoot and outscore the bad guys. Nash is paid like a difference maker, but he's more like a high-end support winger: he needs someone else on his line or on the team to move the puck north. Aside from goaltending, this is one of the reasons the Blue Jackets haven't been able to rise above the fray in the west - they're building around a guy who isn't really a heavy lifter.

Calgary's Catch-22

Beyond the risks inherent to Carter and Nash as players, there's also the question of cost of acquisition. The essential contradiction faced by bad teams is they often don't boast the sort of expendable assets it takes to acquire the sort of players that would help them improve. The catch-22 is that in order to move up the ladder, middling or worse teams need to retain their notable assets while acquiring new, valuable players. It usually takes one to get the other on the trade market though.

In the Flames case, even if they determine that Carter or Nash are of interest despite some red flags, it may cost the organization more than it can reasonably bear to land either guy. First round picks, high-end prospects (Baertschi or, uh...Baertschi) and a worthwhile roster player are the likely starting points for negotiation.

So even though Carter and perhaps Nash to a lesser degree would fill a great, big hole on the roster, it's probable their acquisition would create fresh ones all over the place, depending on the BJ's demands. As such, the only way it makes sense to snag either of them is if they don't cost key pieces to acquire. Unfortunately, the Flames don't have a lot of non-key players or futures that are valuable enough to dangle.

Were I Jay Feaster, I would inquire about Jeff Carter. As mentioned, guys like him don't come along very often and I'm guessing Carter's stock won't be this low again for a long time. That said, I'd be completely prepared to hang up on Howson without regret.

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#1 FireOnIce
February 17 2012, 12:30PM
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Probably best to take some of that oil money and just roll up to Carter's house with a dumptruck full of cocaine and a semi full of beer. Was Philly really that much of a good place to party with his bro Richards? Columbus is definitely a downgrade in terms of party-ability for young people.

Seriously though, I can only hope that Feaster doesn't take some stupid pills and decide it's a good idea to trade Baertschi, Cammy, and 8 or 9 first rounders for Carter.

As you say Kent, Carter's value probably won't ever be this low, unless he gets really injured.

One final thing to be concerned about is that Carter isn't necessarily a pass-first center. He scored 30 goals because he was shooting, not feeding the puck to other players. Is this really what the Flames need? I would be okay with this, like when Cammalleri had his best season when Iginla was feeding him pucks.

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#2 jonny
February 17 2012, 12:34PM
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Mr. Feaster, back away from the phone...

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#3 shutout
February 17 2012, 12:39PM
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Nash is a non deal from every angle that you look at it. From length of term, to cap hit, to his production. If the organization has learned nothing else from having Iginla its that you cannot win when your franchise player is a winger. You need to build through the middle and supplement in talent on the wings; does not work the other way (Washington should be coming to this realization as well). Nash has not put up the numbers that Iginla has, and fans of his use the same excuses that are provided to Iginla. The fact is that Nash might be a premier winger, but he is not a franchise player or a game breaker. He is overpaid, and is not a fit for the Flames.

Carter would be a more attractive package if he brought the two women with him in the picture. At least having them behind the bench would give fans something to look at when the team is playing without emotion.

I dont think that Carter is the answer for the Flames, and I think that it would be a mistake to trade for him. His history and cap hit are reasonable, but the length of term and the concerns regarding his character leave much to be desired. His production in Philadelphia came with Briere, Giroux, and Richards helping to aleviate the level of checking that he was subject to and the leadership of Pronger probably had a great deal to do in terms of scaring Carter into performing to his potential. I dont think that Carter ever comes close to matching the numbers that the put up in Philadelphia and I think that he would easily become the next Bourque in terms of fans expectations and rage.

I think that there are a number of players available from teams if the Flames want to sell of the future to help Iginla in the present. I think that there are younger and cheaper players that can help fill second line scoring roles that will provide more benefit for the Flames than the high priced pair from Columbus could.

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#4 T&A4Flames
February 17 2012, 12:53PM
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The more I think about this the more I think that the Flames should go after Carter but not Nash. Yea, Carter's perceived attitude is a little scary and yea, he is a shoot 1st Centerman, but he is starting to hit an age where maturity may start to hit. The whirlwind of his last year may help with that as well. His age is certainly a fit as is his ability to get points.

One thing, though. I would rather see him as a RW, which he has played a lot of. That would fit his 'shoot first' type of play.

Iggy-Joker-Tangs Carter-Backs-Cammi Stemp-Jones/Horak-GlenX

As a top 9..... I like how that looks. I would give up our 2013 1st rounder (not our 2012), but I'm not sure what else. Maybe taking back Mason for Karlsson would help (salary dump). Obviously still not enough, though.

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#5 Bean-counting cowboy
February 17 2012, 01:13PM
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I agree with a lot of what has been said.

Carter is a better target than Nash considering he would cost less (both in cap & assets given up), especially considering he drives posession better.

I however don't think you get stuck with the mentality of having him on Iginla's line. If you put Iggy with Joker & GlenX then Carter can center Tanguay & Cammi. That way Carter's shoot fist mentality could fit quite well with Tanguy's playing-making ability & Iggy has GlenX & Joker to protect him defensively & from the invetiable top matchups he has to face.

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#6 FireOnIce
February 17 2012, 01:18PM
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One big thing with Nash is that I don't think he would actually come to Calgary. He has the NMC and we don't appear to be on the list. Nash wants to win, and apparently the whole "don't want to be in the spotlight" thing is BS. New York? San Jose? Los Angeles? Toronto? He wants to be in the spotlight, and he wants to be in a big, happening city.

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#7 Arik
February 17 2012, 01:23PM
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@FireOnIce

San Jose is OFF THE HOOK HAPPENING.

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#8 the-wolf
February 17 2012, 01:28PM
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Carter's deal is stupid and there are issues, but Calgary can't continue to keep sitting in the middle. They're on a big point streak right now, but it's almost entirely due to the Kipper show. Even Feaster has acknowledged this.

I like Roy and at 2 years there's little risk, but will he be a differnce-maker here?

No one hates seeing prospects or first rounders traded more than I do, but will Baertschi be able to carry the Flames in 3 years? I highly doubt it.

Carter may well blow up in the team's face, but at this point (once past the 1st round since '89, 2 years no playoffs, likely to miss again or be hammered in 4 straight)it seems better to just say the hell with it and roll the dice. We can't just sit in the middle until we fall off the cliff in 2 years.

At this point, I don't see any other viable option than a rebuild, which the team won't do this season or next.

So no, I'm not sold on Carter by any stretch, but if he matures ala Jason Spezza we have a #1 center and a lot better chance at doing some damage in the playoffs. If not, eh, at least we tried.

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#9 wawful
February 17 2012, 01:35PM
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Nash is simply beyond the Flames buying power. If he goes before the trade deadline, and that is a very big if, it will be for a ridiculous amount. Also, I don't imagine that Calgary is on Nash's short-list of teams he's willing to be traded to. Unlike Nash, Carter might actually be obtainable for the Flames.

Carter is a pretty big roll of the dice. He's battled injuries, had a big drop in performance this season, has a terrible contract, and is a questionable locker-room presence to boot. He's simply not a proven quantity right now, but the good news is that his price should reflect that. If Feaster can manage to land Carter without giving up Baertschi, Backlund (since he's probably undervalued right now) or more than one first rounder I'd consider that a win.

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#10 John Deere Green
February 17 2012, 02:05PM
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If the Flames management are in win now mode, trade Iginla for picks and prospects to a contender, and then trade anyone and everyone on the current roster plus the next 10 years of first and second round picks for both Carter and Nash. Problem solved. Or not. I dunno.

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#11 negrilcowboy
February 17 2012, 02:13PM
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neither carter nor nash are viable options for the flames. the asking price is beyond reason for such a thinnly veiled organization,mortgaging the future for either will not help the cause. derek roy,foligno and luke adam of the sabres in a package deal is a better option.

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#12 RexLibris
February 17 2012, 02:44PM
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If Darryl Sutter were still the GM I have to believe that he would have moved on Carter already. He was always trying to find the ideal #1 centre.

As for Feaster's take on him as a player? I get that fans feel that Carter isn't the answer to the Flames problems, but Feaster probably feels that he is, which means that management and fans are arriving at different answers and are therefore probably asking different questions.

I don't think Carter would necessarily be a disaster for the Flames and it could be that he would be the start of the new core. And when it comes to the above photo, perhaps we're criticizing out of jealousy?

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#13 Chris
February 17 2012, 03:03PM
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Remember Alexei Yashin and his 10-year deal?

The Islanders are still paying him $2M a year to play in the KHL. Still, after 5 years. And there's more years to run on the buyout.

Carter's contract is a millstone that would drag the Flames down, unless he actually gets a point a game like the contract pays him for. What are the odds he actually does that? Do we want to take that kind of a risk?

(BTW, Paul Holmgren is a genius for being able to trade that kind of a contract.)

IMHO, long-term contracts have negative value attached to them. So much so that I'd only be willing to make this trade: Carter for a bag of pucks.

If we have to send some cap the other way, send Stajan and Sarich.

Maybe Columbus won't make a deal on those terms. Then don't make the deal.

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#14 Kippersbeard89
February 17 2012, 03:04PM
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After Conroy's comments on the Fan regarding not standing pat at the deadline, i get the impression that they may have some targets in mind. I hope that they don't break the bank in an attempt to land either Carter or Nash. I would rather the Flames target someone like Brassard who is a much cheaper alternative and won't cost a first or Sven. If they could move the like of TKO or Jackman as well as one of Sarich or Hannan, they still might be able to push for the playoffs and continue with retooling.

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#15 SmellOfVictory
February 17 2012, 03:17PM
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One of the major issues with a trade for either of these players is that CBJ are clearly not interested in established, older players. They're as far from a contender as you can get, and thus the only thing the Flames could give up in order to get either of those players is exactly the type of thing the Flames need: picks and prospects.

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#16 RexLibris
February 17 2012, 03:24PM
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@the-wolf

and @ SmellofVictory

I don't think Feaster is going to stand pat. And looking at the man-games lost, I think he and ownership are going to say that they can improve and vault themselves into the upper tier of the league by acquiring Carter.

I imagine the argument will be along the lines of Carter previously having success in Philadelphia and being a consistent scorer like Iginla as well as a younger talent upon which the mantle of the franchise can be laid.

Here is a list of man-games lost, per team. Most managers looking at it would use it to augment their perspective of the relative standing of their roster.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/sports/hockey/globe-on-hockey/pens-habs-lead-nhl-in-man-games-lost-to-injury/article2342449/

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#17 SmellOfVictory
February 17 2012, 03:43PM
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@RexLibris

They may try it, but it's a bad idea. Bad trade partners and a guy in Carter who, while of low value in terms of recent production, is still expensive to acquire given his age and history. Add to that the fact that Carter's almost halfway through his peak years, if we go off the standard career arc of a scoring forward, and it just sounds like a recipe for disaster/mediocrity.

He's a solid player on a good contract, but the cost to acquire him is something that the Flames cannot afford, and it won't benefit them long-term (it also likely won't push them over the top short-term).

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#18 RexLibris
February 17 2012, 03:47PM
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@SmellOfVictory

Unfortunately for Flames fans, "ought not to" and "won't" aren't always found in the same sentence when management makes decisions.

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#19 flames161
February 17 2012, 04:02PM
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Imagine the lines for next year

tanguay jokien iggy glenn carter cammy moss horak bartchi jackman stajan ----

solid scoring lines i have backlund out because he probably is in the deal for sure with a first rounder

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#20 everton fc
February 17 2012, 04:38PM
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The two guys I'd have interest in Columbus would be Brassard and Dorsett. That's it.

What would Carter's presence do to our young guys? Do we need to insert this guy's party-attitude into our dressing room? He certainly shows no signs of changing. I can't see it. Nash has suffered in Columbus for years, showing extremely positive character. His contract is not good for the Flames, but as a person, as an addition to a dressing room, Nash is by far the better option.

To me, Carter, like Richards, is a problem. Holmgren knew what he was doing when he booted them out of Philly.

Brassard may do well with a change of scenery. As for Dorsett, he'd be a nice replacement for Jackman, with more offencive upside, or a hecjk of a compliment to Jackman is the latter is re-signed, though one of the two (Dorsett or Jackman) would have to move the the left side.

We need an energy guy like Dorsett. Regardless of his PLMs.

My two cents. Worth about two cents, in the grand scheme of things!

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#21 everton fc
February 17 2012, 04:40PM
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"When Jay Feaster approached Brad Richards in the off-season, he proved the Flames are not against a good whale hunt. Luckily for the team Richards rejected their overtures and spared them a future boat anchor contract"

Never forget this. Feaster's offer to Richards tells me a lot. Carter's contract is a similar albatross.

Nash's would be the same.

There's a reason Columbus stinks, by the way. Many reasons...

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#22 Charleston Kingsley
February 17 2012, 04:54PM
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Is Parise still an option or is he very likely going to sign with NJ? I think Parise would be a great replacement for Iginla.

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#23 Captain Ron
February 17 2012, 05:10PM
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John Deere Green wrote:

If the Flames management are in win now mode, trade Iginla for picks and prospects to a contender, and then trade anyone and everyone on the current roster plus the next 10 years of first and second round picks for both Carter and Nash. Problem solved. Or not. I dunno.

I think I get what your trying to say but what would make any of us think that those two would do any better here than they are in Columbus. At least with Iggy we know what we have. Add to that that Iggy is not going anywhere. Bringing Carter into the mix is as big a gamble, maybe bigger than anything D Sutter ever did. I know our options are limited but if they were to bring Carter in and he doesn't pan out we could be screwed even more than we are now. We need a center on this team in the worst way. Just not that one. Lets hope our shiny new toy isn't named Carter, and I think Nash is out of our range too which could also be a good thing.

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#24 everton fc
February 17 2012, 05:25PM
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So who do we think refused to be moved when Feaster apparently had the Carter deal done?

(Carter deal, to me... Smells like the Richards deal...)

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#25 Section205
February 17 2012, 05:46PM
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I don't like Carter or Nash for us, but only because of their albatross contracts. There is a reason Carter's stock is low.

What about a low risk/reward deal for Sami Pahlsson?

He is a UFA Center. 51% Faceoffs. Stats are low, but I think his zone start is 31% and he plays against quality competition ( albeit less than Carter)

6th Rd pick for Pahlsson?

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#26 FireOnIce
February 17 2012, 05:51PM
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@everton fc

I've seen a few people post about this supposed deal in the last couple days. When did that happen? Where did this rumour come from?

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#27 Captain Ron
February 17 2012, 05:52PM
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@Everton

I don't know but assuming the story is true I would love to shake the man's hand and thank him in person, given the opportunity.

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#28 First Name Unidentified
February 17 2012, 05:58PM
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I have a huge suspicion that it was Jbo.

Anyway, i think we should go for Roy more than anybody else. He is the #1 centre we have been looking for. I also like the Brassard suggestion.

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#29 Captain Ron
February 17 2012, 06:10PM
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Who ever it was I don't blame them.

IF the story is true and it was JBO there would have to have been more than 1 player per team involved. No way he goes without a top NHL defender coming back our way. We don't have the luxury of moving him otherwise.

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#30 everton fc
February 17 2012, 06:42PM
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So...

If Feaster was nuts enough to move JBo and his contract (and one of our best players on this quest for the playoffs) for a problem child who may be over-paid and who may poison our dressing room...

I go back to the Richards offer... Madness.

Moving JBo for Carter... even though I'm not the biggest JBo fan... Seems to me a risky move.

I'd take Brassard and Dorsett from the Jackets. And Pahlsson. Dorsett's paid the same as Kolanos and he's an RFA. He's worth Jackman's pricetag, at least.

I may get blasted for this... But can you imagine a fourth line with Tootoo and Dorsett patrolling the wings... I know everyone hates Tootoo. But he produces points... Has energy... Backs down to no one...

Dorsett and Jackman would also be nice bookends on a checking line. One can dream....

We need some more grit on this team.

(As for the rumour... read it on one of the threads here. A few threads ago...)

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#31 RKD
February 17 2012, 06:42PM
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Well Feaster isn't scared to go after big names, especially after offering Brad Richards MORE MONEY than he makes now with the Rangers I would still be very surprised if Nash or Carter came here. Feaster traded Reggie, Langkow to get younger but more importantly get out of salary cap jail.

Carter is the right age at 27 and could re-surge like Lupul. My worry is what kind of salary cap mess could the Flames find themselves years down the road.

They still have to negotiate a new CBA and a lockout would be terrible for Calgary especially since they want Bartschi to step into the NHL next October.

I believe Feaster and co. believe Bartschi is the next big guy for Iggy to pass the torch to. However, he is unproven and yet to play a shift.

Taking on a Carter or Nash could possibly force the Flames to move some other players to make these contracts fit.

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#32 Dave
February 17 2012, 09:10PM
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Stay the course

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#33 Franko J
February 17 2012, 10:16PM
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I agree with comment #32 from Dave. "Stay the course." Hey the Flames are already strapped with a very bad contract with Stajan. With Cammy, Iginla, JBO, Kipper, and Gio, the Flames are tied into high salaries and cannot afford to take on another high contract. Carter is not a #1 center. Nash from what I have seen in the past two seasons is a player in the Ovechkin mold where he shows up for only 1/4 of the game.

Keep building with players through the draft. Nash and Carter are not the answer for the Flames.

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#34 FireOnIce
February 17 2012, 11:05PM
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I think a better target than Carter or Nash would be Grabovski. Kent doesn't praise him without reason - he's young, consistently pushes play in the right direction, and has been a 30 goal scorer.

Unfortunately, I'm very hesitant of making any more deals with the Leafs, since the Flames constantly seem to get fleeced by them. Sarich is truculent, give Stajan enough bong rips and he'd be truculent - send them over to the Leafs for Grabo.

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#35 Derzie
February 17 2012, 11:49PM
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We have no need to chase anyone over 25 right now. Our needs are much longer term than they can provide. Lets build some depth and grow some talent. We have enough older players to guide the way. Jay, PLEASE stay away from these guys.

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#36 Pat Steinberg
February 18 2012, 01:49AM
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This comment thread is likely the most encouraging thing I've ever read. Nash is a terrible contract for a guy who is what he is...28 year old complimentary winger. He needs a play moving centre to make a true impact.

Carter, on the other hand, is a proven impact centre, this year not withstanding. His contract is garbage, and the asking price for me is in the no thank you category.

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#37 ChinookArch
February 18 2012, 07:08AM
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Whale hunting is not the solution for the Flames future, and I for one am vehemently against a scorched earth approach (a la the Oilers and Islanders). My take has not changed all season. It will take patience on the part of the Flames brass. Feaster will need to trade, draft and sign new players with great care. The Flames needs to look to teams like Nashville and Phoenix, that have perannually competed well with inexpensive players and good coaching. They need to look to Detroit and San Jose, who are at the top of the league every season through excellent drafting and development systems. And they need to ignore the temptation of signing the FA du jour. This site has been extremely critical of Darryl Sutter's past performance, as the GM of this team for precisely what some people are advocating - looking to Win Now by 'trading the future for expensive older players'. It will take years to fix the current mess, but only through smart, slow progress.

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#38 Rain Dogs
February 18 2012, 09:49AM
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I dunno... that's a tough one.

The bad: The Flames already have 4 of the top 50 highest cap hit contracts in the league (Iggy, Jbo, Cammy, Kipper)

The good (potentially). We also have bad contracts to rid. If we could get rid of one of Stajan or Babchuk... I would look twice at Carter.

Nash is too much, for too long. Although I think he's a better player than spelled out here, and the much better player than Carter. Plus Nash would demand a boatload of real assets in return.

For instance: I would trade three total of 1. Stajan, 2. Rammo or Babchuk, 3. Horak or Byron for Carter.

I have to think CLB just wants to give away Jeff Carter.

Another way of putting it: I'd certainly rather trade a Stajan contract problem for Carter than Scott Gomez any day of the week.

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#39 everton fc
February 18 2012, 10:07AM
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Unloading Stajan's contract to the Jackets for Carter... Why would the Jackets do this? Makes no sense...

Conceptually, it may make sense to Flames fans... But I repeat - Carter may have off-ice issues like Richards. Neither have produced since Holmgren sensed their off-ice issues and parted with them both. Craft moves by Holmgren. To be applauded, in fact.

Carter could potentially pollute our dressing room. Particularly with the young, possibly impressionable guys. He's 27. I'd rather find someone 23-24. He's not a playmaking centre. And so on...

It simply not a good move. Not in my opinion. We need character guys in the room.

Carter doesn't seem to fit this genre. It's also the reason I'd stay away from a kid like Subban.

Character matters.

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#40 Kevin R
February 18 2012, 10:43AM
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Dead set against any big moves to acquire a big name in a push to get us there. Love that we are having a great Feb, thank you Kipper, we are in striking distance, awesome, lots of fun to watch. But we have to look past Feb, March & April. Feaster needs to look at what pieces we can sell right now without waiving the surrender flags for this playoff hunt. What has Feb taught us so far? Kipper is playing the best we have seen him play in 3-4-5 years, we have had the worst injuries plaguing this club than I can remember, any new young face seems to be raising their game enough to get us the points Kippers heroics is giving us the chance for. Fast forward to 2012-13 season, if we have one, & what is the probability Kipper plays like this next year? What if he doesnt? We lose games we have been winning this year. Jokinen plays like he did last year after a fresh new 3-4 year NMC contract. The fan boards are screaming for huge change, Iggy is nothing but a rental trade & we have really nothing to trade, except our future to win now mind set owners & management will have for next year as well. Moral of this long rant is that we need more assets, we need to get overpayments for our UFA's now so maybe we will have options this next year. Any long playoff run this year will have to be miraculous & I personally dont think our UFA's will extend or shorten that run at the holy grail.

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#41 NateBaldwin
February 18 2012, 11:39AM
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Subban's young, I wouldn't worry too much about his character.

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@Chris

(BTW, Paul Holmgren is a genius for being able to trade that kind of a contract.) - regarding Carter.

There should be a rule that a team cannot trade a player that THEY signed for a 6-year or longer term contract prior to at least half the contact is fulfilled.

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#43 Rain Dogs
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everton fc wrote:

Unloading Stajan's contract to the Jackets for Carter... Why would the Jackets do this? Makes no sense...

Conceptually, it may make sense to Flames fans... But I repeat - Carter may have off-ice issues like Richards. Neither have produced since Holmgren sensed their off-ice issues and parted with them both. Craft moves by Holmgren. To be applauded, in fact.

Carter could potentially pollute our dressing room. Particularly with the young, possibly impressionable guys. He's 27. I'd rather find someone 23-24. He's not a playmaking centre. And so on...

It simply not a good move. Not in my opinion. We need character guys in the room.

Carter doesn't seem to fit this genre. It's also the reason I'd stay away from a kid like Subban.

Character matters.

Why does unloading Stajan's contract make no sense to the Jackets?

I can give you six reasons why it does help the financially bust Jackets:

1. Stajan is signed for 2 more years after this, Carter is signed for 8

2. Stajan's actual pay over those next two year's is 5 million. Carter's over the next two is 13 million (savings of 8 million REAL dollars in just two years)

3. Stajan's total contract cost would be just slightly above 5 million, Carter's? 48 million

4. They both play centre, so there is no hole in the roster, just a lesser player, but a better dressing room person, if you believe in rumors. (Additionally, I think Stajan could be a second/third line centre on CLB)

5. Columbus could get other assets along with Stajan to close the talent gap. ie. Rammo - they need a goalie. Horak - they need cheap talent.

6. Lastly, Stajan's cap hit is high 7 million, and his pay is low - 5million. If they need to make the floor, he helps do that.

So, why doesn't it make sense? I believe CLB would take almsot anything to get rid of Carter. There may be better offers, but if not....clearly it makes more sense to pay 48 million to Carter to finish in last than 5 million to Stajan to do the same.

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