POSTGAME: THE NAIL IN THE COFFIN?

Vintage Flame
March 28 2012 11:19PM

 

When you're two points out of a playoff spot and you are playing a team in your own barn that you are trying to catch in the standings, it's probably a good idea to come out with a lot of energy and throw everything including the kitchen sink at your opponent. Instead the Flames came out and basically threw the baby out with the bath water and with it, any chance of getting into the playoffs.

THE RECAP

Unfortunately the first period foreshadowed what was to end up being the result of this game. The Kings showed up ready to take care of business while the Flames were spent the night on a leisurely skate, out of sync, and just out-classed.

It didn't happen in the first minute of the game this time, but once again the Flames gave up the first goal. At the 5:30 mark, Willie Mitchell got the puck on the left point, he would let a slap shot go that was originally thought to be tipped past Kiprusoff by Justin Williams as he spun away from Chris Butler. The goal was credited to Williams but soon changed to Mitchell. The fact that it wasn't a tipped shot put the onus right on Kipper, as he lets in yet another soft goal to put his team behind the 8-ball. The Kings out-shot Calgary 14-9 and out-chanced the Flames 10-7. Calgary went 0 for 2 on the power-play, but that shouldn't come as any surprise as the Kings dominated the play.

The second period was much of the same as the Kings continued to out-shoot Calgary. At 7-6, it wasn't much of a differential but where the big difference came was in chances. LA widened the spread, out-chancing Calgary 7-2 and at the 4:22 mark, they cashed in one of them.  Dustin Brown carries the puck over the blue-line on the right hand side; he drops the puck to Kopitar and immediately cuts to the center of the ice. Kopitar would feed the wide open Brown the puck back with a well served pass and that would be all he needed, as he buries the shot over Kiprusoff's left shoulder. Once again the Flames would go 0 for 2 on the PP and the second ends, 2-0 Kings.

The Flames record when trailing after two periods has them winning only four times out of the forty games they have found themselves in such a deficit, so there wasn't a lot to be optimistic about going into the third. Couple that with the fact that the Kings are second in the league in goals allowed and you can see where this is going!

The Flames would out-chance LA 3-2 in the final frame, yet get out-shot 9-4. It's no surprise Calgary led in scoring chances as the chasing team normally does while the opposition does their best to protect their lead. Luckily the Flames didn't have a power-play in the third to completely ruin, so they end up 0 for 4 on the night, the only bright spot on the special teams is that they were a perfect 4 for 4 on the PK; yet again, the Kings didn't need them. At 18:51 of the third, Justin Williams would get the empty-netter, putting an end to the game and most likely the Flames season.

THE STARS

1. Jonathan Quick

2. Anze Kopitar

3. Jay Bouwmeester

THE FINAL

While the Flames are still mathematically alive, their elimination number falls to 3 with a mere 4.7% chance at the playoffs. The attitude of the team showed that no matter what they say about possibility and the belief they seem to think they have at still having a chance, you could see it on the face of Iginla, their CAPTAIN, in his post-game interview, that they are done.

Bottom line... the end result reflected the effort of the home team tonight. But for all the optimists that are looking for that last thread to hold on to. The Flames are 7-3-2 this year against Vancouver, Colorado and Anaheim.

Go get em boys! Next game is Friday at 7:00 against the... hey Colorado Avalanche. Fortune favours the bold, not sure which team it applies to but catch the game on Sportsnet West or the Fan 960 and find out.

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Vintage Flame is a Calgary based sports junkie that prefers to call hockey a "religion" rather than an addiction. He believes there are two types of hockey fans. Those who cheer for the Flames, and those who don't understand the sport yet. Follow Vintage_Flame on Twitter
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#1 If Only HIs Name Was Olli Postandin
March 28 2012, 11:45PM
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Somebody -anbody in the media - please call Feaster on his pre-season predicition!

Although, he was right about the Oilers; but that`s like predicting the Sun will rise in the east.

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#2 MC Hockey
March 28 2012, 11:46PM
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Waaahh... A pathetic game to watch as effort and energy was poor...surprised Kent gave them more than 5 scoring chances all game long! And what's with the power play going back to brutal and having trouble entering the zone? Yah Kings deserve credit...ld Darryl got his revenge on little Brent by ensuring his team was hungry and ready!

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#3 nolan moore
March 29 2012, 12:28AM
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Let's start the rebuild. I dont want Feaster who has NO clue about hockey doing the rebuild. Back the truck up to Nill's house and ask HOW MUCH?

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#4 RexLibris
March 29 2012, 12:46AM
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I would say that it's all over but the crying, except I think most Flames fans are well out of tears for this team by now.

So the next poll might read something like: do you want to see the veterans in these final few games, or should the Flames let the kids (I use that term loosely) play and see where the chips fall?

Sorry the Oilers couldn't help out a little tonight, but then you all probably knew that was coming.

Well, it's good news time! Laurent Brossoit got another win tonight (23 saves), Max Reinhart had 12 penalty minutes in the Kootenay loss (no points), and Baertschi is 5th in WHL scoring (2-7-9 in 3gp).

I can't wait to hear Feaster.

In the post-game interview Brent Sutter looked like a man who is running out of ways to politely say that his team doesn't seem to want to try anymore.

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#5 DarylKatz
March 29 2012, 12:49AM
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While the flames hang out in 10th again, us Oil fans get to watch yet another fantastic lottery player join this year. Oilers are behind in the standings, but the flames are 6 years behind the Oilers. If you know what I mean.

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#6 flamesburn89
March 29 2012, 12:49AM
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RexLibris wrote:

I would say that it's all over but the crying, except I think most Flames fans are well out of tears for this team by now.

So the next poll might read something like: do you want to see the veterans in these final few games, or should the Flames let the kids (I use that term loosely) play and see where the chips fall?

Sorry the Oilers couldn't help out a little tonight, but then you all probably knew that was coming.

Well, it's good news time! Laurent Brossoit got another win tonight (23 saves), Max Reinhart had 12 penalty minutes in the Kootenay loss (no points), and Baertschi is 5th in WHL scoring (2-7-9 in 3gp).

I can't wait to hear Feaster.

In the post-game interview Brent Sutter looked like a man who is running out of ways to politely say that his team doesn't seem to want to try anymore.

So did the Oil Kings eliminate Kootenay yet??

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#7 RexLibris
March 29 2012, 01:10AM
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@flamesburn89

They're up 3 games to none. If they split in Cranbrook that'd be a pretty decent result. I wasn't predicting a sweep. They swept the season series but all the games were close and hard-fought.

The only cake walk in this series has been the opener (3-0). The scary thing about this Oil Kings team is that they have so many returning and developing players that they are likely to be as strong or even stronger next season. Flames fans interested in a rebuild, and pessimistic about their chances next season, might want to take a close look at Curtis Lazar. He is likely to be the second-favourite prospect after Nathan MacKinnon. MacKinnon has 8pts in 4 gp while Lazar has 7pts in 3 gp. Both are highly skilled centres.

I have to take this opportunity to brag also, that Oilers 4th round pick Tobias Reider (RW, 5'11", 190lbs) is second overall in OHL scoring with 9pts in 4 gp. His junior team back in Germany was called the Landshut Cannibals. How cool is that?

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#8 trade iggy
March 29 2012, 02:20AM
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hey captain iggy how bout not looking so depressed in your post game interviews!(wonder if its an act?seen it far too often and frankly am getting tired of it) the kings second goal was clearly your fault, as you stood there watching brown pick his spot. thats some of the same effort i saw from you at the beginning of the year, which if you hadn't noticed is one of the reasons the flames are in the situation they're in now. this team needs major changes, new stars, and new hope! i wonder if its just coincidence that the dome was on fire when sven was in town. you might still be a good player when you want to be, or have the support of management to get talented players to pass you the puck in order to put up numbers but personal numbers don't equal team success and by all accounts i believe thats what players should be really judged upon, and the flames success has been pretty shady, for awhile! from a fan who rarely misses a game, you're not as good as people make you out to be ,not in my opinion anyway. A) you're not a power forward anymore... b)you're not a dangler c)your vision is mediocre at best d) i guess that makes u a shooter with little defensive awareness. by my account thats pretty one dimensional, easy to shut down and not very reliable. oh yeah your break away skills aren't very good either a pure scorer buries those chances so that you definitely are not. you need people to put it on a tee for you.

ps. people who leave it all out there dont hang their heads low because they know they put everything on the line, your sad face is something you've been putting on for a longtime and body language speaks volumes. i said it a longtime ago that this team just wasn't good enough and its time the flames realized that and management realized that, save some face be honest with yourself.

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#9 KetchupKid
March 29 2012, 03:13AM
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@Vintage Flame

Be honest. How long have you been saving that flames-coffin graphic for?

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#10 Kenta
March 29 2012, 05:44AM
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A poor effort tonight by a tired team. LA clearly has way more talent but are shackled by the playing style demanded by their boneheaded coach. Robb Kerr is the worst play by play man in the league - he needs to understand it is a hockey game, not a golf tournament. Time to fire up the "there is always next year" talk AGAIN.

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#11 Get The Puck Outta Here
March 29 2012, 06:18AM
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Last one out of the Dome turn the lights off....

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#12 nick
March 29 2012, 07:57AM
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The Flames are where the Oilers years ago. Always trying to squeak into the playoffs in that number 8 spot. All that gets you is a mid first round draft pick. Not a bad prospect but not good enough to help out. Time to bite the bullet and rebuild this team. Hopefuly Feaster won't throw in no movement clauses for everyone on the team. If it is one thing the Flames lead the league in it is no movement clauses. The two bonafide starts, Iginila and Kipper are near the end of their careers so then it gets really ugly.

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#13 shutout
March 29 2012, 08:03AM
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Wow. Shutout with only 19 shots in a game that you had to win to keep playoff chances alive.

What this team needs is a good solid veteran leader. Somebody that would be a league respected captain. Somebody that is a great goalscorer. A player that has a history of scoring lots of goals over his career.

But, where can you find a player like that? Maybe would could give him a cape and make him like a superhero. Because a player like that would show up in important games. He would carry the team on his back and help them get into the playoffs.

A player like that would be worth keeping in the organization until he was over 40 and wanting to retire. But the problem is: Where can we find a player like that?

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#14 ken jans
March 29 2012, 08:12AM
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Get The Puck Outta Here wrote:

Last one out of the Dome turn the lights off....

...someone clean out the fridge this year too...something really stinks in there...

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#15 the-wolf
March 29 2012, 08:21AM
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It's not about Iggy bashing.

It's not about Iggy 'deserves' to win a Cup somewhere.

It's about what's best for the team and at this point there is no valid reason for keeping a 35 year old Iginla on this team.

Iginla is not an ideal role model or mentor.

He is an asset though, and given where this team is and where they seem to be going, the Iginla era needs to be closed and his remaining value maximized in a trade for futures.

If the team can't see it, can't see that a rebuild is necessary, then there is no hope at all.

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#16 Casey
March 29 2012, 08:24AM
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For crying out loud. This isn't the Columbus Blue Jackets. The sky isn't falling. This is certainly not an elite team, but they aren't *THAT* far away. They are 7 points away from being a top 10 team in a 30 team league. Win a couple in overtime, a couple in the shootout, and 1 more in regulation and we're there.

Having said that, I do think that that it is time to seriously consider moving Iggy and possibly Kipper if the offers are right. Don't trade them for the sake of trading them, but do it if you can get something tangible in return.

I'm looking forward to see what Bartschi, Reinhart, Ferland, etc. will bring to the mix next year, and it is time to put the C on Giordano.

We all knew that this was going to be a transitional year, and did anyone really expect big things from this team? I mean seriously, isn't this where you expected them to be?

Now we see what Feaster can do with some cap space...

Interesting note: I have a friend that was in the owners box last night (seriously) who said that it was pretty quiet in there.

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#17 Robert Vollman
March 29 2012, 08:51AM
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Calgary's record against Minnesota, Colorado, Columbus, Edmonton and Anaheim since February 1st is 1-7.

Their season OT/Shoot-out record is 5-15.

They lost 373 man-games to injury.

Though they always were a bubble team at best, the playoffs were within their grasp.

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#20 shutout
March 29 2012, 08:58AM
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@Casey

@Casey

You are right. We are so incredibly close.

Two years ago we finished in 10th spot and five points out of the playoffs. Last year we finished in 10th spot and three points out of the playoffs. This year we are going to finish in 11th spot and probably four points out of the playoffs.

I am sure glad that the sky isnt falling though. I think that we might be able to compete for 8th spot again next year. And if we do it will be cause for great celebration. I understand that as part of the Flames Forever campaign that should the Flames make the playoffs they are going to raise a banner in the rafters, get the players rings, have a huge parade and celebration downtown, try to visit the Prime Minister, and buy themselves a huge golden bowl (because who wants silver) that they can pass around to each other through the summer.

The team is crap. The vetern leadership showed in the game last night that they dont care. If they dont care than why have them here? I would rather be Edmonton right now than Calgary, because at least they have embraced the idea that they needed to change. In Calgary everybody still believes that we are this great team with an amazing superstar captain that can win the Stanley Cup whenever they want. Th team is crap and changes need to be made. Mediocrity is the worst kind of disease there can be in an organization.

Casey - tell your friend the next time he is in the owners box to give Edwards a big kick in the butt for me because this whole situation is his fault. He sucks as an owner and the team sucks because of his selfish philosophy; where results dont matter and success is determined by full seats and empty beer kegs.

The good thing for Edwards is that it can be just like making the playoffs if we trade away Stajan or Babchuk with some draft picks. Their salary savings for next year will be the equivalent of two home playoff dates revenues.

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#21 shutout
March 29 2012, 09:03AM
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Vintage Flame wrote:

And there folks are your 1st, 2nd and 3rd stars of the Flames season.

And the first three excuses that Feaster is going to use to spin what a great team they have. The only reason that he had a press conference to tell the press to stop talking about the injuries is so that he could use them as an excuse for missing the playoffs.

It has to be coaching that is the problem. I cant believe that since February Sutter did not dress Iginla for seven games against Minnesota, Colorado, Columbus, Edmonton, or Anaheim. Why would you not dress your leader, your captain, your superstar goalscorer. I am sure that if Iginla had played in those seven games that the Flames would have won them all. After all he is a superhero and is the identify of the hockey club.

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#22 My2Scents
March 29 2012, 09:07AM
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Iggy and Kipper have carried this squad on their backs for a long time, by themselves and and with a stumble you're there already with the pitchforks and torches???? Go to the penalty box and feel shame! You don't deserve them and I hope they want to leave.

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#23 icedawg_42
March 29 2012, 09:18AM
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Ok enough bashing. At least they left it all out on the ice. At least they played with their hearts on their sleeves. At least they bled for their team mates. At least they pushed until they could push no more. ...oh, wait...

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#24 shootout
March 29 2012, 09:35AM
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Now this is Vintage Flames, being good enough to not quite be good enough. Through the 80's way to good in the regular season but never quite good enough in the playoffs.....and now too good for the lottery but not pretty enough for the dance. We have always been the laughing stock of Western Canada ( don't chime in with Vancouver, no one ever expects anything from them they are the Chicago cubs of the NHL they obviously were never a threat until last year,,,,,,the oilers as much as it kills me, are still the class because atleast they identified that they needed to blow it up to win there 6th Stanley cup). I say we start hanging 10th place banners from the rafters to celebrate our realistic achievements.

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#25 Jayamania
March 29 2012, 10:17AM
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Well, I guess it's been confirmed. Jay Bouwmeester is officially allergic to the playoffs.

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#26 Avalain
March 29 2012, 10:18AM
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icedawg_42 wrote:

Ok enough bashing. At least they left it all out on the ice. At least they played with their hearts on their sleeves. At least they bled for their team mates. At least they pushed until they could push no more. ...oh, wait...

Maybe they left it all on the ice in the last game and now they have nothing left! Well...maybe...

As for these comments about the owners caring only about money and not about winning, how blind do you have to be to have missed how the owners are spending to the cap and have been willing to bury millions of dollars in the minors to try to help field a competitive team?

All I see is a team that did everything it could to maximize it's chances of winning a cup while their best players were in their prime. They failed to do that and we're paying for it now, but that comes across as more of a result of being too eager to win rather than not caring.

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#27 Graham
March 29 2012, 10:34AM
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My2Scents wrote:

Iggy and Kipper have carried this squad on their backs for a long time, by themselves and and with a stumble you're there already with the pitchforks and torches???? Go to the penalty box and feel shame! You don't deserve them and I hope they want to leave.

I blame senior management / ownership for the Flames problems; no long term plan, poor contracts, poor asset management, poor drafting / scouting, and the inability to surrond Iggy with quality talent.

Then again, Kipper and Iggy may have carried the squad on their backs, but where have they actually carried us.... middle of the pack irrelevance.

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#28 the-wolf
March 29 2012, 10:35AM
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@Avalain

The owners spend what they do to keep the team treading water, not to win a Cup. You can't honestly believe that with all of the Flames "intellectual honesty" that the owners really believe this a Cup contending team?

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#29 Avalain
March 29 2012, 10:37AM
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Graham wrote:

I blame senior management / ownership for the Flames problems; no long term plan, poor contracts, poor asset management, poor drafting / scouting, and the inability to surrond Iggy with quality talent.

Then again, Kipper and Iggy may have carried the squad on their backs, but where have they actually carried us.... middle of the pack irrelevance.

With that in mind, does anyone know why Tod Button still has a job?

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#31 T&A4Flames
March 29 2012, 11:17AM
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Vintage Flame wrote:
It has to be coaching that is the problem. I cant believe that since February Sutter did not dress Iginla for seven games against Minnesota, Colorado, Columbus, Edmonton, or Anaheim.

Hmmm Not sure what you're getting at here shutout? In these seven games since Febraury, Iginla played in ALL of them.

Game: G A P +/-
Feb 6 '12 CGY @ ANA: 1 0 1 -1
Feb 21 '12 EDM @ CGY: 0 0 0 -3
Mar 11 '12 CGY @ MIN: 1 1 2 1
Mar 16 '12 CGY @ EDM: 0 0 0 -1
Mar 18 '12 CBJ @ CGY: 0 0 0 0
Mar 20 '12 CGY @ COL: 0 0 0 1
Mar 22 '12 CGY @ MIN: 0 0 0 -1

What the problem here is that Iginla only has 3 points in these 7 games... Or that he is goaless in the LAST 7 games. While I am comfortable roasting Sutter on a number of issues, dressing what stars he has had available to him, is not one of them.

Yea, VF, I'm thinking I was smelling sarcasm in that quote by 'shutout.' Insinuating that he didn't show on the ice. Maybe I'm wrong...

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#32 loudogYYC
March 29 2012, 11:23AM
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I'm convinced ownership actually cares, what I'm not convinced of is that they know what they're doing.

Seems to me like they approach this the same way many corporations approach a problem, they throw money at it. Same as MLSE and the Maple Laughs.

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#33 T&A4Flames
March 29 2012, 11:23AM
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Avalain wrote:

With that in mind, does anyone know why Tod Button still has a job?

I'm actually ok with Button now. I think he's done a pretty good job over the last few years with Reinhart, Ferland, Arnold, Gaudreau etc. All later round draftees that are looking promising. Also, with change in philosophy and and increase in scouting staff over the last year I feel a sense of promise for the future.

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#34 Nolan Moore
March 29 2012, 12:38PM
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Some people are still drinking the kool-aid. Button is terrible. We dont know how these guys will pan out. Sven is one hit away from being out for good. The other guys have potential, but are not considered blue-chip. Start rebuilding through the draft and get a scouting group who knows how to. Feaster send him back to Florida. Bring in Jim Nill.

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#35 the-wolf
March 29 2012, 12:50PM
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T&A4Flames wrote:

Yea, VF, I'm thinking I was smelling sarcasm in that quote by 'shutout.' Insinuating that he didn't show on the ice. Maybe I'm wrong...

definitely sarcasm

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#36 negrilcowboy
March 29 2012, 01:22PM
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the owners may say they want to win, but judging by the personnel they trust to guide the ship we are no better than the titanic or an italian cruise line. iggies disappearance of late would never be tolerated in other markets. smile give us a gee schucks and then pickup your loot igglatowski, i would be grinnin like the butchers dog too. money for nothin and the chicks for free.

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#37 Monaertchi
March 29 2012, 01:25PM
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@Vintage Flame

Yup, I'm pretty sure that shutout meant that 2G, 1A, -5 in 7 games against crappy Western Conference opponents is akin to a no-show from the GREATEST POWER FORWARD THAT IS, WAS, OR EVER WILL BE.

(hint: that bit at the end is more sarcasm)

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#38 marcus
March 29 2012, 01:29PM
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If Only HIs Name Was Olli Postandin wrote:

Somebody -anbody in the media - please call Feaster on his pre-season predicition!

Although, he was right about the Oilers; but that`s like predicting the Sun will rise in the east.

I don't disagree with your sentiments. 3 or 4 coaches, and a general manager later and the team mustered another lethargic start to the season and respectable finish. No wonder they run out of gas.

Feasters words: "Fool me once, shame on you, Fool me twice, shame on you."

Iginla has 60+ points and a minus player. Sorry Not good enough.

Time to start looking the problem square in the face... the team needs a Gary Roberts as the Captain not a player that plays 2/3rds of the season floating on the back-check.

I love Iginla, and the amazing memories, but regardless of whether he asks for a trade, his disinterest for half the season shows it.

Let Feaster be the fall guy that trades Iginla and promote Weisbrod.

Do something.

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#39 marcus
March 29 2012, 01:30PM
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Edit ....Fool me twice shame on me"

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#40 Dianne
March 29 2012, 01:32PM
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Enough already. All the ownership and organization care about is "SOLD OUT DOME." Let the public know what the actual attendance is. The number of seats in the building and what they consider sold out seem to be two different numbers. Looks pretty empty to me. It's obvious the owners and the organization don't care about their product or happy fans.

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#41 Monaertchi
March 29 2012, 01:37PM
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@Casey

"For crying out loud. This isn't the Columbus Blue Jackets. The sky isn't falling. This is certainly not an elite team, but they aren't *THAT* far away. They are 7 points away from being a top 10 team in a 30 team league. Win a couple in overtime, a couple in the shootout, and 1 more in regulation and we're there."

You're right. They are almost in the top 1/3 of the league. If only they had won "a couple in overtime, a couple in the shootout, and 1 more in regulation" then they would be there.

But, and here's the kicker, they didn't and so they aren't. They're not top 10, they're not in the playoffs, and they don't even have the benefit of being in the bottom 1/6 for a chance at Yakupov.

The sky isn't falling. It has fallen. One could argue that this season the Flames are worse off than Columbus because the only real difference between them is that the Flames draft pick this year probably won't turn into as good an NHLer, statistically speaking.

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#42 marcus
March 29 2012, 01:38PM
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negrilcowboy wrote:

the owners may say they want to win, but judging by the personnel they trust to guide the ship we are no better than the titanic or an italian cruise line. iggies disappearance of late would never be tolerated in other markets. smile give us a gee schucks and then pickup your loot igglatowski, i would be grinnin like the butchers dog too. money for nothin and the chicks for free.

Hah

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#43 marcus
March 29 2012, 01:51PM
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hey captain iggy how bout not looking so depressed in your post game interviews!(wonder if its an act?seen it far too often and frankly am getting tired of it) the kings second goal was clearly your fault, as you stood there watching brown pick his spot. thats some of the same effort i saw from you at the beginning of the year, which if you hadn't noticed is one of the reasons the flames are in the situation they're in now. this team needs major changes, new stars, and new hope! i wonder if its just coincidence that the dome was on fire when sven was in town. you might still be a good player when you want to be, or have the support of management to get talented players to pass you the puck in order to put up numbers but personal numbers don't equal team success and by all accounts i believe thats what players should be really judged upon, and the flames success has been pretty shady, for awhile! from a fan who rarely misses a game, you're not as good as people make you out to be ,not in my opinion anyway. A) you're not a power forward anymore... b)you're not a dangler c)your vision is mediocre at best d) i guess that makes u a shooter with little defensive awareness. by my account thats pretty one dimensional, easy to shut down and not very reliable. oh yeah your break away skills aren't very good either a pure scorer buries those chances so that you definitely are not. you need people to put it on a tee for you.

ps. people who leave it all out there dont hang their heads low because they know they put everything on the line, your sad face is something you've been putting on for a longtime and body language speaks volumes. i said it a longtime ago that this team just wasn't good enough and its time the flames realized that and management realized that, save some face be honest with yourself.

While I may not agree with all of what you have said. Your point is valid. I have seen several games this year that there was no back pressure or defensive mindset from the Captain. Assignments blown that commentators don't have the balls to point out because they want to be buddy buddy with the most popular guy in town.

I see it. Others do too obviously. I hope management does too.

Be ironic and package Ignila et al for a top flight center for Cammy.

Otherwise, bring in that top flight center for Cammy and stick Iginla on the 2nd / 3rd line while he coasts for another half season.

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#44 negrilcowboy
March 29 2012, 02:31PM
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seems to me that there are no mainstream media types that want to call iggy on his somewhat questionable team first attitude. coasting and little attention to defensive responsibilities would not be tolerated in any other market in canada. guess the media types have been directed that you lay off the annointed one.

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#45 Tears of RED
March 29 2012, 02:35PM
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Time to ship out the vets. Their "heart" and "leadership" have been none existent for most of this season. Actually, the last 3 or 4 seasons. Love Iggy, but he has fooled us for too many years in a row. Flames need young guys who are hungry and will bring it. I rather the team play with some emotion and skills and live with inexperienced mistakes than watch aging players put us to sleep. If the vets don't go, it's time to have a generation of younger voices who won't be afraid to tell Iggy to show up.

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#46 PrairieStew
March 29 2012, 02:40PM
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and @ trade iggy

I doubt there has been another team in history that has had the same guy lead the team in scoring for so long with no other help to speak of.

The contribution of other Hall of Fame players at age 34 ? Lafleur, Shanahan, Hull, McDonald, Gartner - none of them led their teams - and the numbers might be close but they were in eras when 40% more goals were being scored, so Iggy's numbers still pretty good.

If you trade him this summer you'd better be sure you get good return, because his value is much higher at the deadline when that cap number doesnt factor in.

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#47 Gandoke the Grey
March 29 2012, 03:08PM
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The options for the Flames on the EA NHL 2013 Cover vote are Stajan and Backlund. That, my friends, is a joke.. I hate this team. And my life..

http://covervote.nhl.com/:b=ie9/#/ballot

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#48 rubbertrout
March 29 2012, 03:21PM
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Now we see what Feaster can do with some cap space...

Of the current squad you have 16 returning players under contract. Of those 16 include the likes of the following world beaters:

1. Stajan 2. Horak 3. Jackman 4. Bouma 5. Babchuk 6. But7er 7. Karlsson

By the time you actually fill out the top of your roster and get another D man just to have enough solid guys to ice a team I don't think there is going to be much cap space left in the cupboard. Sure Sven will be up and on an ELC but there are holes-a-plenty to fill and not too many guys on the farm that are good enough to do it. That means overpaying for UFAs.

Also, I may be wrong but don't you still need to pay for Hagman because of the waiver pickup by Anaheim. That's half of his buyout cap hit for nothing.

You going to re-sign Oli? Going to cost you much more than the last deal.

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#49 rubbertrout
March 29 2012, 03:25PM
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As for these comments about the owners caring only about money and not about winning, how blind do you have to be to have missed how the owners are spending to the cap and have been willing to bury millions of dollars in the minors to try to help field a competitive team?

Yes they have buried some money in the minors. They also traded away a huge part of their defensive depth plus a pick in order to shed Kotalik's salary.

Nobody can tell me how motivated the owners are because they have been willing to bury some of the bad contracts in the minors when they are also willing to cripple the team in order to avoid paying salaries too.

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#50 jonny
March 29 2012, 03:30PM
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"Flames acquire majority stake in Stampeders."

Not quite the change of direction I had in mind.

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