Postgame: What To Say

Justin Azevedo
March 30 2012 11:37PM

We're going to forego the traditional recap tonight.

I don't care that these guys make a stupid amount of money. That's fine, the market determines the price, whatever.

I can't even bring myself to damn the effort tonight-69 Corsi events, 25 scoring chances and 39 shots. The effort was certainly there-sure, the finish wasn't, but that happens sometimes. 

The thing that pissed me off more then anything else is the acceptance of defeat. The listless looks on the faces of the players immediately after Iginla's goal showed us all they know it’s done just as much as we do. It was further evidenced after the game-I've seen happier people at morgues then they were at the Dome tonight.

There was one point in the third period with about 14 minutes remaining where a defenseman-Sarich, Hannan, Giordano, doesn't matter and I don't really care which one it was-but there was an opportunity to keep the puck in the zone by taking one more step. The guy backed off of the puck.

I just can't understand that thought process. There's 14 minutes left in the "most important period of the season", yet you're still playing not to lose. If you've ever played any sort of competitive sport, you know the difference between playing to win and playing not to lose. Sure, most of the time the result will end up the same, but there's always a few games where it doesn't. Those, oh, five or so games will be what gets you to the playoffs or what makes you pick 11th. 

I don't know if that's coaching, if it's the players, if it's the environment created by the guys at the top...but it needs to change.

In that same vein-and I'm sure I'll look back at this in the morning and swear at myself-but I'm now teetering extremely close to the edge regarding the possibility of trading Jarome Iginla. I'm sure there will be much ink spilled regarding that in the coming weeks.

The apathy is hitting hard, and if the Flames wish to curb that-for both the good of the business side of the team and the perception of them by fans-things need to change.

Evidence? Check out this and this.

Oh well. They play again tomorrow.

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Justin is a 23-year-old Flames fan who also happens to be pursuing a double major at the University of Calgary. He has played hockey at high levels, enjoys wearing shorts and tends to drink far too much Grasshopper. Please don't hate him.
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#1 2:00 AM
March 31 2012, 02:17AM
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Y'know ... As an oiler fan, reading this at an insanely late hour and also knowing that there are no actual flames fans that have commented about the state of the nation yet I'll put in my two cents because no one else is... As an oiler fan I have decided that given a choice between Calgary or Vancouver being good at the same time as us... I would pick the flames ... Any future flames team would have an advantage over the Canucks because of the better fans... Straight up. Also I want to get back to hating u guys not pitying you more than I pity the oilers. In conclusion I would rather have a conference final game 7 against you than the Canucks. There I said it. Just the thoughts of a disgruntled oilers fan Whois up late...

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#2 everton fc
March 31 2012, 04:33AM
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I'm not up late.... Rather rose early!

I think Sutter's press conference says it all. He's done, but probably deserved better players...

Players no blocking shots... A few do. Gio's one. Just thought I'd defend at least Giordano, who I've always liked, though I don't see him as the #1 d-man...

Feaster promised more than he delivered as GM. Should be some consequence... King seems to be untouchable... And I thunk Feaster is right now...

As a fan... I'd like to see guys with some heart here. Guys who know how to win.

I'm rambling cause I just woke up, but we have no elite players... And not enough guys in the room who play for keeps...

Even the OMG line went cold when it counted...

Our top guys.. which are few.. are really role players, at this stage... This includes Iginla, if he's not traded... Tanguay... Cammy... the OMG line, if left int act... and so on...

Iginla's interview was that of a man beaten. We need someone in his role to be ticked off by all this... They seem defeated... Done... No confidence...

But Brent's comments are trie - many of our players simply don't know how to win. You often hear of teams at the deadline avoiding players who never seem to make the playoffs. We have Bouwmeester. Stajan. Now Iginla. Tanguay. Gio. Jokinen. Glencross. Moss. Jakcman. And so on. We need players who have won, and know how to win. Know what it takes to win...

Winners... Guys with heart...

What else can one say? Words fail here. GMs have failed her. GMs need to know what it takes to win. I find it difficult to believe Feaster - a lawyer - has what it takes to win consistently. Sure, he won in Tampa once. But he was also sent pakcing. Hurt the team with some insane contracts...

I believe we need a GM who's a hockey guy. Who knows how to win. That will always be my point of view...

You look at Fenton in Nshville, Nill in Detroit, Botterill in Pittsburgh - Assitant GMs... also hockey men. Nill's from Hanna. I know we'll never see him come here... But what if?...

Fenton's a Yank, and would probably prefer to stay in the States, but he played up here with the Jets... Botterill has ties to the province... the team...

All are winners in the executive. Have been... Ditto Hextall in L.A...

Do you bring guys like Lanny, Peplinski and Otto back into the organization in some capacity? I wonder sometimes...

I do like the coaching staff in Abby. Ward is very good with the media... Very good with the kids. If we could only find a winning recipe in Calgary...

Who do you get to coach here? I think a re-make includes a young coach. A lot of candidates out there. Same w/the GM.

Time for another coffee....

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#3 everton fc
March 31 2012, 04:53AM
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Here's a coaching candidate, albeit it a Yanks who'd probably prefer to stay in the States. Note the connection to Troy Ward, Abby coach.

http://blogs.edmontonjournal.com/2012/03/26/profiles-in-coaching-john-hynes/

And then there's Jon Cooper, w/Norfolk. Another young candidate, from Prince George. http://blogs.edmontonjournal.com/2012/03/28/profiles-in-coaching-jon-cooper/

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#4 Dipstick
March 31 2012, 07:54AM
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Oilers fan here. The owners and managers of both Alberta teams do not deserve their fans. Plain and simple. Lets hope for better next year. I miss the BOA.

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#5 Subversive
March 31 2012, 08:03AM
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Everton, I don't know how you can blame Iginla for looking defeated. He's a human being, after all. It's not like they're not trying, they're just not good enough, and that became 100% clear tonight. Defeat is all they have left.

To Justin, if you could get a decent return for Iggy, I would be in favour of the organization trading him. He's clearly not willing to play a system which will maximize his strengths at his current age, and until he's willing to buy in I think this team will continue to struggle as other players follow the lead of the captain.

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#6 Dave
March 31 2012, 08:43AM
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What are the odds that Feaster is going to try ot land Nash this offseason?

I love nash as a player but he cannot carry a team. I think it's been proven that wingers are NOT franchise players. Kessel, Ovechkin, Iggy, Nash, Gaborik.

Nash will be succesful in a place that already has established centers. adding another winger to the flames would be a BIG mistake.

If you are building a team it has to either be through centers down the middle, or from the net out with Goalies & strong D. Most of the top teams are succesful because of talented centers not wingers.

Of course all of this is subject to a good coaching staff. I believe that Calgary needs to start moving aggressivly to obatain young centermen (either prospects or roster players). I would love to see them go after stasny or Duchene over nash.

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#7 Dave
March 31 2012, 08:47AM
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The only teams that will go after Iggy are ones that are looking for a short term improvment. Teams that want to win the cup next year. do you think you could get Krejci for him from Boston?

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#8 Dave
March 31 2012, 08:48AM
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or JVR from philly?

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#9 skirby
March 31 2012, 09:16AM
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The Flames have given up. While I don't think this season is Sutter's fault I'm not sure that he still has the attention of the dressing room.

I've given kudos to Feaster for his work thus far. He's done some good stuff with the handcuffs that Dutter left him. Probably the best thing he's done is changed the culture in Abby- so good on him for that. That said, everything Feaster has done to now is gravy. His really value will be shown or not in this off season. It's time for him to build a team now. Looking forward to what he has in store.

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#10 Fading Fan
March 31 2012, 09:54AM
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Message to Mr. Feaster:

Intellectual honesty strongly suggests without Kipper, the Flames could very easily be ten less wins in the win column which would bring their point total down to 65 making them the 2nd worst team in the league.

The majority of "intelligent" hockey fans identified very early on that this team could not be competitive in this league and knew drastic changes had to be made. You chose to ignore the obvious short comings of this team, praying for a miracle on ice which never happened. It is apparent that your assessment of the talent on this team has missed the mark and I now have very little faith in your ability to assess talent moving forward! No one including Iginla or Kipper should be untouchable at this stage of the game. Bring in players with emotion and heart. Bring in players that hate to lose and express that in their post game interviews. Just once I wanted to hear one of our players completely upside down over a loss. Too much shoulder shrugging and comments of knowing what they did wrong, what needs to be done differently and never actually happening. Poor leadership and poor coaching infested this team for too long.

The highlight of this season for me, was the fan who threw his jersey on the ice in frustration of yet another pathetic performance. Had I been there that night, mine would have been right there with it. My wish for the Flames next year, is that season ticket holders choose not to renew and that attendance dwindles. It seems the only way to send a message to the entire organization is to simply not show up to the games.

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#11 Bean-counting cowboy
March 31 2012, 10:07AM
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Ownership needs to wake up. If this core hasn't been good enough for the last 3 years, do you think being one year older next year will be any different?

Exactly - it will be worse.

Embrace the rebuild already people c'mon. I want to be excited about my team again.

Was Iggy exciting in his prime? Absolutely. Does he still sell jerseys? Absolutely. You know who else will sell jersey's - Sven & maybe whoever we pick at # 11 this year.

Strip it down, I was formerly against trading Kipper next year, but have since changed my mind. Trade Kipper in the summer & Iggy at the deadline. Make Gio the captain & DO NOT re-sign Jokinen. Kipper & Iggy's moving on should net some promising prospects and/or 1st round picks.

GFG!

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#12 Darren
March 31 2012, 10:46AM
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@everton fc

Tanguay has at least two rings. You can take his name off the list. He knows what it takes to win. Jerome and Oli? Not so much.

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#13 Kevin R
March 31 2012, 10:53AM
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Fading Fan wrote:

Message to Mr. Feaster:

Intellectual honesty strongly suggests without Kipper, the Flames could very easily be ten less wins in the win column which would bring their point total down to 65 making them the 2nd worst team in the league.

The majority of "intelligent" hockey fans identified very early on that this team could not be competitive in this league and knew drastic changes had to be made. You chose to ignore the obvious short comings of this team, praying for a miracle on ice which never happened. It is apparent that your assessment of the talent on this team has missed the mark and I now have very little faith in your ability to assess talent moving forward! No one including Iginla or Kipper should be untouchable at this stage of the game. Bring in players with emotion and heart. Bring in players that hate to lose and express that in their post game interviews. Just once I wanted to hear one of our players completely upside down over a loss. Too much shoulder shrugging and comments of knowing what they did wrong, what needs to be done differently and never actually happening. Poor leadership and poor coaching infested this team for too long.

The highlight of this season for me, was the fan who threw his jersey on the ice in frustration of yet another pathetic performance. Had I been there that night, mine would have been right there with it. My wish for the Flames next year, is that season ticket holders choose not to renew and that attendance dwindles. It seems the only way to send a message to the entire organization is to simply not show up to the games.

Fading Fan, I was around & desperate when we go an NHL franchise. You are not a major player of a City without a professional sports team. Best thing that has ever happened to the City of Calgary. I've been a Season Ticket holder for 15 years, 3 seats in the lower bowl & they are expensive. So my message to Mr King & Mr. Feaster is a little different, it would be like this: With my Season Ticket renewal comes a note to Management, "For Shame The Promises You Make!". As a fan, I am frustrated with the empty promises but no follow through of making the decisions to make this team successful. Upon the end of a 3rd consecutive no playoffs, it is painfully obvious this team need new horses to achieve success. Please do not promise playoffs for 2012-13, just promise you will make the hard decisions that need to be made to make the Flames a proud winning franchise again. I shouldnt have to threaten my commitment and financial support to ensure Management does the right things. I love my Flames but I expect Management to love winning.

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#14 hark65
March 31 2012, 10:54AM
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@Fading Fan

I would agree on most points, but I'm willing to give Feaster until the draft to see what he will do. But ya, I didn't like his rant on Sportsnet during the Phoenix game only to see him sit pat on his UFA's. Not a smart move. I don't care if it was only a 7th round pick for Kostopoulis, it should've been moved out for a younger forward to take his place (Horak, Byron, or even Nemiz). I don't care who, but someone younger so we can evaluate for next year.

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#15 Dave
March 31 2012, 11:11AM
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I totally agree with what's being said. I do think the flames should keep Kipper and trade Iggy. I think they should bring in Ramo behind Kipper and split the time 60/40.

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#16 Reidja
March 31 2012, 11:49AM
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http://flamesnation.ca/2011/8/5/what-makes-an-elite-playerelite/page/1#comments

We deserve this. We are a bunch of know-it-alls who think we know how to run a franchise. Ken King is one of us. Enjoy the suck Calgary.

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#17 Fading Fan
March 31 2012, 12:09PM
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@ Kevin R

Agreed that the team is extremely important to our great city. The last thing I want to see, is for the team to leave.

My main point of contention is this: it is very apparent, that the only thing that matters is the profitability. Bad hockey decisions on all levels have been made for many years now. These decisions have translated into us seeing one of the worst teams in a 30 team league. "Pride in the Jersey" is no longer felt. Really, I am embarrassed to be a fan right now.

To anyone who thinks poorly of a Flames fan being so judgmental towards the team and players, let me say this: If you are simply a fan of the sport, then you really have no emotional investment into how any team does. However, if you are a "fan" of a team, the emotional investment you put into that team fuels the disappointment and frustration we all feel.

I work for one of the biggest companies Nationally (over 130,000 employees) and one of our biggest missions statements refers to accountability. I do not see any accountability on any level with the Flames. The team looks lost, needing direction and focus and an identity.

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#18 Baljit
March 31 2012, 12:28PM
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dont worry, we still have a chance of making the playoffs. stay positive and maybe we will

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#19 First Name Unidentified
March 31 2012, 12:31PM
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We already have committed $47.8 million in 17 players for the next season. That doesn't give us much of cap room to be able to sign any big name free agents or trade for an expensive name.

Get rid of JBo, trade Cammi, Send Kipper to a contender, package out Stajan and whoever. This will shed a decent amount of salary. Send Jarome to the Bruins for Lucic and Boychuk.

Let Olli, Stemp, Comeau, Moss, TKo, Sarich, and Hannan walk to free agency. Re-sign Jones and Backlund.

Make Sven, Ferland, and Reinhart regulars in the lineup. Other kids to take regular spots would be Bouma, Brodie, Backs, etc.

The lines would look somewhat like this:

Sven - Backlund - Lucic (he can play RW) Ferland - Horak - Reinhart Tanguay - Jones - Glencross Nemisz - Bouma - Jackman

Gio - Butler Boychuk - UFA Smith - Brodie

Irving Ramo

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#20 Baljit
March 31 2012, 12:33PM
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whatever, i think we're good with who we have right now and we'll win the cup this year

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#21 RKD
March 31 2012, 12:35PM
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Brent looks totally defeated, total loss of words. It's really disturbing that the whole team doesn't show up for another must win game.

No desire, no desperation or urgency in their game. Lack of talent on offense and defense, they've totally quit on one another and tuned out the coach long ago.

The team is a mess, the personnel needs a lot of major revamping. Start with changes at the top.

While Irving, Baertschi, and Brodie provide us bright spots for the future, bringing them into losing culture could be detrimental for them.

Justin, both of your photos shows they were taken with less than 1:30 left in the 3rd period, that happens in many arenas when most fans know the home team is going to lose. If that were in the middle of the game or a period that would send a real message.

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#22 Baljit
March 31 2012, 12:36PM
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WHY ARE YOU 'FANS' SO NEGATIVE

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#23 First Name Unidentified
March 31 2012, 12:37PM
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@Baljit

I think you've been misdirected. The link to the Oilers Nation is here: http://oilersnation.com/

Good luck for the next season!

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#24 Baljit
March 31 2012, 12:38PM
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oops sorry

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#25 Baljit
March 31 2012, 12:38PM
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Go Flames Go

OILERS SUCK

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#26 Baljit
March 31 2012, 12:47PM
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tonight is a must win against the canucks (10pm Eastern on CBC)

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#27 Baljit
March 31 2012, 12:48PM
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7 hours, 16 minutes left until the big game

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#28 Baljit is awesome
March 31 2012, 12:52PM
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#29 jeremywilhelm
March 31 2012, 01:35PM
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Baljit IS awesome!!

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#30 the-wolf
March 31 2012, 01:55PM
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I used to advocate bringing back Olli for no more than 2 years at the same price, but no NTC. Not anymore. Dito for JBo, but now, if there comes a taker, good bye.

If no other reason, the vets need to be moved out of here just for the sake of a complete culture change. And I do mean COMPLETE.

Right now the only vets that seem to really care are Gio and Kipper. Maybe Moss, but given his injury history, no big loss.

Agree with other commentators, we need some winners in here. More youth, speed and hunger.

Are we really better than the Oilers? Missing the playoffs is missing the playoffs IMO. Except they're closer to winning a cup than we are.

Seriously, I'd rather watch my team try and lose than this sorry lot. Iginla looks he's actually trying to NOT make the playoffs. Interferes with his summer time with the fam in Kelowna and all that. Besides, he's got 'his 30.'

Just so sick of this same old song and dance. Hoping that Jay is smarter than I think he is and is basically holding the team up to the owners saying, "look, they suck, it doesn't work! Can I do what I want now?!"

I've gone from wanting scorched earth to a much more moderate approach right back to scorched earth. And then some.

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#31 CA Flames Fan
March 31 2012, 03:56PM
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Fading Fan wrote:

Message to Mr. Feaster:

Intellectual honesty strongly suggests without Kipper, the Flames could very easily be ten less wins in the win column which would bring their point total down to 65 making them the 2nd worst team in the league.

The majority of "intelligent" hockey fans identified very early on that this team could not be competitive in this league and knew drastic changes had to be made. You chose to ignore the obvious short comings of this team, praying for a miracle on ice which never happened. It is apparent that your assessment of the talent on this team has missed the mark and I now have very little faith in your ability to assess talent moving forward! No one including Iginla or Kipper should be untouchable at this stage of the game. Bring in players with emotion and heart. Bring in players that hate to lose and express that in their post game interviews. Just once I wanted to hear one of our players completely upside down over a loss. Too much shoulder shrugging and comments of knowing what they did wrong, what needs to be done differently and never actually happening. Poor leadership and poor coaching infested this team for too long.

The highlight of this season for me, was the fan who threw his jersey on the ice in frustration of yet another pathetic performance. Had I been there that night, mine would have been right there with it. My wish for the Flames next year, is that season ticket holders choose not to renew and that attendance dwindles. It seems the only way to send a message to the entire organization is to simply not show up to the games.

LOVE the last paragraph....if the team for various reasons has issues with showing up.....should we?

But we will....sigh

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#32 everton fc
March 31 2012, 04:08PM
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Subversive wrote:

Everton, I don't know how you can blame Iginla for looking defeated. He's a human being, after all. It's not like they're not trying, they're just not good enough, and that became 100% clear tonight. Defeat is all they have left.

To Justin, if you could get a decent return for Iggy, I would be in favour of the organization trading him. He's clearly not willing to play a system which will maximize his strengths at his current age, and until he's willing to buy in I think this team will continue to struggle as other players follow the lead of the captain.

I don't blame Iggy for looking defeated. He is.

They are a beaten team. That was my point. And they won't change until there are changes made.

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#33 Dave
March 31 2012, 07:06PM
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Does anyone really think that Feaster has the balls trade iggy, or kipper?

I Agree with the wolf in that Ollie should not come back.

I think feaster will talk about how injuries are what did it for the flames this year and that this is actually a playoff team. 2 or 3 wins and they'd be in.

I don't agree with this mentality at all, but that's what I see happening. No big changes except a new coach

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#34 negrilcowboy
March 31 2012, 07:55PM
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good point dave, but feaster better get a pair and do what is neccessary for the long term health of the franchise. kipper and iggy have been left on the vine for 2 extra seasons. yes fibbster will site the tough luck the team had with the injury bug. but really who missed big stretcjes of the season other than gio who is truly an impact player? moss does serve a purpose however its not like you lose a 25 goal guy. the revolving door of 5 th through 8 th defensemen. imagine if kipper had been lost for say a 20 game stretch, the flames would be fightin the jackets for the lottery prize. agreed brent is dead man walking, but edwards has to be getting flak for allowing rev ken king of the church of perenial 10th place to have the big chair.

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#35 I'm Batman
April 01 2012, 12:11AM
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@First Name Unidentified

On what planet do the Flames get Lucic and Boychuk for Iggy? If I was Boston I wouldn't do Boychuk for Iginla, let alone throwing in one of the best power forwards in the game today.

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