Flames Release Brent Sutter

Kent Wilson
April 12 2012 03:10PM

 

 

The Calgary Flames announced today that they have decided to go in another direction behind the bench. Assistant coach and former Flame Dave Lowry has also been let go.

From the official release:

“Brent Sutter and I met and discussed a number of issues regarding the hockey team and the future,” said Flames General Manager Jay Feaster. “Brent and I explored many options and ultimately determined that it is best to proceed in different directions. Brent is a great person and an excellent hockey coach. On behalf of the Calgary Flames, we sincerely appreciate his hard work, dedication and commitment to our organization, and we wish him every success. We also appreciate the important contributions of Dave Lowry.”

That leaves Craig Hartsburg in place. It's unknown whether he'll step up to be the head honcho or if the club will look for someone else. A lot of attention has being focused on Abbotsford Heat coach Troy Ward recently (he was lavishly praised by Feaster in the press conference the other day), so it's possible he is in line for a promotion.

Over his three seasons here, Brent Sutter never converted me to a full fan of this methods. To some degree I think he was hampered by the tools he was given, but then he also never really diversified his methods or improved the club beyond it's station in any meaningful fashion. In the end, he struck me as an altogether conventional, middle-of-the-road NHL coach.

I guess that means the next guy could certainly be better. He might be worse too.

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#51 Get The Puck Outta Here
April 12 2012, 06:02PM
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My thoughts.

Reading these posts its obvious that if nothing else, coach polarized the fan base. I am no exception.

Just my opinion but here goes.

1-If a person takes the job to coach a team that in the previous year MADE the playoffs and do your job for 3 YEARS and do not make the playoffs it should spell-FIND THE DOOR.

2-If an organization has to choose between a franchise player that is in the record books and will be inducted into the hall of fame, and has done nothing but make ooodells of $$$$$$$$$$$$$ for a business versus point #1 they should choose as they did today.

3-Jay Feaster is the right man. He will bring this burning mess from the abyss. He stumbled twice this year-#1 guarenting playoffs and #2 trade deadline fool me once comment but make no mistake. He will right this ship. We have been as patient as possible for 3 years now. He is running out of time also as judgement day comes to him but his hands are starting to free. For once there is some hope!!

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#52 RKD
April 12 2012, 06:16PM
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Brent was the scapegoat for the Flames and Feaster's shortcomings so far or more like all of Darryl's shortcomings.

I don't think Brent is a bad coach, but at the same time I don't think he's a great coach. Probably a good coach.

Brent had three years to get this team to the playoffs and didn't succeed, probably in large part to the personnel on the ice.

However, under Keenan who refused to practice the powerplay and had a rocky relationship with Kipper got the Flames to the playoffs. Jim Playfair who the players hated got the Flames to the post-season with 30 home wins.

Anyways, I think hiring Hartsburg would be a big mistake. It would show the organization didn't make any effort to find a talented head coach. I don't know much about Troy Ward, but I feel he could be rushed and doomed like Playfair.

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#53 Colin
April 12 2012, 06:32PM
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Ward has had one GREAT season as the Heat head coach and we are gonna promote him and he's gonna be the savoir.... Wait till he gets a load of Iginla. Ward has been great with the young guys, but they have to listen to him, he's a great development guy. But let's give him another two years before we give him an NHL job.

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#54 Kevin R
April 12 2012, 06:32PM
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@RKD

Playfair was doomed & D Sutter was calling all the shots from GM office. You cany compare what Ward will be handed versus how Playfair got bent over. I think Ward is a way better coach anyway.

Pile of Red: I think you are the glue sniffer now. Turned on to Global & Grant Pollock suggested 3 potential candisates, Hartley, Ward & Tippett! So up your nose with a rubber hose potlicker!

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#55 DieHard
April 12 2012, 07:57PM
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The Red Pile wrote:

Tippet & Staal? Hmmm, I pictured you as a Kool-Aid drinker not a glue sniffer.

That was great - still laughing

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#56 DieHard
April 12 2012, 08:09PM
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Kevin R wrote:

Playfair was doomed & D Sutter was calling all the shots from GM office. You cany compare what Ward will be handed versus how Playfair got bent over. I think Ward is a way better coach anyway.

Pile of Red: I think you are the glue sniffer now. Turned on to Global & Grant Pollock suggested 3 potential candisates, Hartley, Ward & Tippett! So up your nose with a rubber hose potlicker!

Calgary is in a bad way right now. LOSER is not where coaches and UFA's want to be. Get next year 1st and speed up your rebuild.

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#57 RossCreekNation
April 12 2012, 08:24PM
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I assume Hartsburg is still under contract and that is why he wasn't let go today. I also assume he won't be the next head coach, and that whomever is will be given the option to hang on to him or relieve him of his duties.

As for Troy Ward, I wouldn't promote him at this time. If he's done such a wonderful job in Abby, why not keep him there? I don't think he's in danger of being poached at this time, not do I think he's ready to make the jump - his resume doesn't exactly scream "READY OR NOT".

Bob Hartley being Jay Feaster's son's Godfather obviously throws him near the front of the list. I'd like to see Nashville's Associate Coach Peter Horachek on that list. Dallas Eakins, too. And of course, any potential firings to come (from the playoff teams) would be of interest as well.

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#58 John Deere Green
April 12 2012, 08:30PM
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Well it looks like Jarome had a chat with all his peasants (King, Edwards, Feaster) and decided that the only change that his club needs is a new coach. What's that, 4 or 5 different coaches in the last 10 years? I know I'm being a little over-the-top here but come on. Have a look at Dreger's twitter page. Makes the comment about there being not much in the way of changes to the Flames at all. Dreger's not gospel but he did speak to Sutter (or so he says). More of the same for the 2012/13 season.

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#59 Greg
April 12 2012, 08:51PM
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I have to admit this makes me a bit nervous. I'm not sad to see him go, but I do still believe he's a great coach with young kids who will do whatever the coach says. That, his comments about this being a tough group to coach, and the admission they didn't agree on direction tells me there aren't any real changes coming. I've liked Feaster thus far, but he and Butter clearly werent on page with the Babchuk signing so I'm really getting nervous about what direction this means he's going to try to go. I'll be happy with a top 6 seed or a top 6 pick, but if this is the indication it feels like another 9-11th finish yet again. Which just means 1 more year of delaying what should have started last year. Ugh.

Anywho, I'm hoping the stars align and Tippet becomes available. I think he might be able to do something with this group, and I'd like to see ward stay a bit longer in abbottsford and work on developing prospects more.

Also, I am willing to bet Butter is a jack Adams finalist with the oilers next year. Any takers?

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#60 kypreos
April 12 2012, 09:12PM
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All you Iginla haters need to wake up!

How do you blame a guy who is 35 years old to carry a team. This guy will go into the HHOF as a flame and has not once bad mouthed this organization or its fans. You should be ashamed!

Brent Sutter is a good coach however he did not make the playoffs for three years when other teams with less talent did! Sutter will do well with a different team. Iginla will do better with a new coach.

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#61 Vintage Flame
April 12 2012, 09:24PM
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@kittensandcookies

@ jeremywilhelm

Let's try and keep the shots above the belt k?

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#62 schevvy
April 12 2012, 09:45PM
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This is the right decision: why would you bring back a coach who has missed the playoffs all 3 seasons and when the team has not shown any improvement in those 3 seasons. People are being conspiracy theorists in my opinion, saying how this decision was made because of Iggy and personally I don't see it. It's a logical move, it's not like they let him go when he still had a contract; his deal was up and this was the right time for Sutter to go. This is the first of many changes in my opinion, and I don't think just because Sutter won't be back means that things will remain status quo. I guess we'll see come Draft time.

Also, I miss playoff hockey. These playoff games are awesome.

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#63 RonR
April 12 2012, 09:56PM
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@Colin

I think you have to get abit more familiar with Troy Ward's overall resume. He has been coaching for over 20 years, he has 3 years at the NHL level as an Assistant with the Penguins, and many years in the AHL. During his years his teams have consistently over achieved, and with the exception of one year when he took over the Victoria Salmon Kings in mid season, (even there he improved their record in a short time), he has been a winner where ever he has gone.

He won't be at Abottsford in two years - believe me. Someone will nab him if not this year, then in a year for sure.

Given that the Flames need to get young players developed and managed at the NHL level, Troy, in my opinion, is the perfect choice to get to the Flames, grow into the job and manage the players to achieve their max, which is obviously something he is outstanding at.

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#64 Reidja
April 12 2012, 09:59PM
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If Darren Dreger is right, this does signify that we are going the same "renovation" route instead of the full rebuild that is required.

God I hate my life as a Flames fan.

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#65 schevvy
April 12 2012, 10:02PM
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Reidja wrote:

If Darren Dreger is right, this does signify that we are going the same "renovation" route instead of the full rebuild that is required.

God I hate my life as a Flames fan.

Could be worse. Could be a Columbus fan or a Toronto fan.

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#66 T&A4Flames
April 12 2012, 10:20PM
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So, um... if the Rangers get knocked out in the first round, is Torts our new coach?

Ha. I actually would like to see this. How would Tort's act in Canadian hockey market that's not Toronto? Calgary seems to proper for Tort's personality. I can't see him telling Roger Millions to F off. I would miss his fights with Brooks in New York. Although, if he doesn't get what he wants out of him, he may tell Iggy to F off.

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#67 RonR
April 12 2012, 10:20PM
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I know I am really promoting Troy here, but I know of him well, and I just want to leave one article that was written in January to describe what player's think of him.

http://thehockeywriters.com/the-new-breed-a-brief-look-at-abbotsfords-troy-ward/

To me, it is a no-brainer.

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#68 T&A4Flames
April 12 2012, 10:22PM
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First Name Unidentified wrote:

It doesn't matter who coached this team, as long as Iginla is here we are doomed to mediocrity.

They can hire ANYONE to coach, there will not be any change in this team's attitude as long as the coach killer is here.

I think Brent did a banged up job with the type of players he was given. I would be surprised to hear if anybody here thought the Flames were actually a competent group and would've competed for Lord Stanley's under a different coach.

"You are getting rid of the wrong guy"

Look on the bright side, we won't be winning' for MacKinnon! Great way to start the forced rebuild. Reinhart #3 the next year.

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#69 Vintage Flame
April 12 2012, 10:59PM
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T&A4Flames wrote:

Ha. I actually would like to see this. How would Tort's act in Canadian hockey market that's not Toronto? Calgary seems to proper for Tort's personality. I can't see him telling Roger Millions to F off. I would miss his fights with Brooks in New York. Although, if he doesn't get what he wants out of him, he may tell Iggy to F off.

If the Flames hired Torts, I would put it in his contract that Brooksie had to come too. He could replace Eric Francis with the Sun.

That's a win-win folks.

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#70 Kevin R
April 12 2012, 11:17PM
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RonR wrote:

I know I am really promoting Troy here, but I know of him well, and I just want to leave one article that was written in January to describe what player's think of him.

http://thehockeywriters.com/the-new-breed-a-brief-look-at-abbotsfords-troy-ward/

To me, it is a no-brainer.

Agree with you Ron. This team is going to have a lot of young players & Ward is a newer version of Tippet when it comes maxing out performance of marginal players. Like I say, any new coach will get a 3 year term & Ward will be off to NHL greener pastures before that term is over. Yeah, if Sutter had 1 more year & Troy had 1 more year in Abbotsford, that would have been perfect but it is what it is.

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#71 Kevin R
April 12 2012, 11:21PM
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DieHard wrote:

Calgary is in a bad way right now. LOSER is not where coaches and UFA's want to be. Get next year 1st and speed up your rebuild.

What does that have to do with my post?? You saying Ward or Hartley or Tippett wouldnt want to coach in Calgary because we are a mediocre team that needs to go thru big changes? You sir are a goof if you think that. So how did the Oilers manage to get any any coaches these last few years? I assume you are an Oiler fan.

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#72 kittensandcookies
April 12 2012, 11:38PM
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Vintage Flame wrote:

@ jeremywilhelm

Let's try and keep the shots above the belt k?

I have a good reason for my trade. He has no reason to act like a child.

Psst... J. Blows is playing in the WC. Kevin Lowe is the GM for the team. OMGWTFBBQ.

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#73 RexLibris
April 13 2012, 12:18AM
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@shutout

I argued this same point about diminishing assets here on FN back in August.

It didn't go over well.

I'm not going to go into detail about Iginla or the Flames, but after reading a number of comments about how much Iginla has given back to the community I'm beginning to wonder if fans in Calgary have ever looked into what athletes do in other cities. Iginla's good works aren't that unique. They are exemplary in that they provide a model for others to follow, but most NHL cities have their players involved in community works.

Edmonton has the Oilers Community Foundation and every player is encouraged to spend some time working with a charitable organization of their choosing. Also the Wives and Girlfriends are public participants in the OCF raising funds for all sorts of charities across Edmonton and Northern Alberta.

Now, I'm sure that the Flames have something similar, but I don't understand why Iginla is the one constantly held up as the model citizen for something that I suspect many of his other teammates commit to as well.

As for the death and destruction: Brent Sutter wasn't going to be the answer for this team, and frankly, if the Flames want to rebuild I don't think that he's the best coach to do it. You need a patient communicator and teacher. Sutter can be a good coach, but he is not really any of those things. And before anyone says that he did well in junior, that is a different breed. And as for the World Juniors, Pat Quinn coached a winning World Junior squad but couldn't connect with a group of young players here in Edmonton to save his job. While letting Sutter go isn't necessarily a good sign, it is only one move. Feaster could turn around and move Iginla in a few months as well. You can't change the culture of a dressing room and keep the coaching staff.

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#74 RexLibris
April 13 2012, 12:28AM
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jeremywilhelm wrote:

Not enough ridiculous conclusions are being jumped to on here right now.

WE NEED MOAR CONCLUSSSOINZZZZZ!

Very well, here I go, ahem...

Sutter left because Feaster wants to go in a new direction and he's thinking of bringing in a coach that he's familiar with, like Barry Melrose.

Nah, that's kind of weak. How about this:

Sutter deliberately threw the season so he could get out of town. He wanted to line-match but he knew the success would force him to remain with the Flames and he desperately wants to get back to coaching the Rebels.

Still pretty flimsy.

Alright then:

Jarome Iginla and Murray Edwards are THE SAME PERSON! It's Clark Kent and Superman all over again and Brent Sutter is Iginla's Lex Luthor.

Let me sleep on it and see if I can come up with something better.

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#75 RexLibris
April 13 2012, 12:33AM
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@Kevin R

The Oilers are either going to bring back Renney on a two-year contract or would bring up Todd Nelson from OKC. He's done a better job than Ward and has worked within the Oilers' system and knows many of their prospects already.

My guess is that the final decision will be something closer to the former than the latter.

But I don't really think Troy Ward (or Brent Sutter, for that matter) is what the Oilers would be looking for right now. No offense.

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#76 RexLibris
April 13 2012, 12:33AM
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J. Blows for Pajarvi.

Yay or nay?

Likely nay.

Salary is way too high.

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#77 RexLibris
April 13 2012, 12:50AM
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@Kevin R

The Oilers really only had two coaches since 2009. MacTavish was in Edmonton for eight years and then they brought in the tandem of Quinn and Renney with Renney taking over from Quinn after year one. So basically, in the time that Edmonton has had three coaches Calgary has had Don Hay, Greg Gilbert, Al McNeil, Darryl Sutter, Jim Playfair, Mike Keenan and Brent Sutter.

I'm not trying to be overly negative here, just saying that seven coaches in twelve years speaks to a serious issue in the organization.

That being said, at least Calgary tried to fix the coaching. The Oilers spent years sticking with MacTavish because every year he got them close to or in the playoffs. Never far, but always on the cusp. Sound familiar?

As to those candidates, while I don't think that the lack of success would be a serious detriment to any coach taking the job, I do think the relatively short-lived careers of those who have taken it in the past might dissuade some.

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#78 Jeff Lebowski
April 13 2012, 12:51AM
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I've been a defender of Iggy. I doubted heavily when people suggested Iggy was anything less than a warrior for this team. However Brent's comments about needed changes seemingly point to Jarome. Management, it appears, didn't agree with Brent.

Early this season, I posted how Iggy doesn't want to give up the puck ie dump n chase. Brent thought the team had to play that way. Given the talent, who is right? An argument can be made either way. However, I feel Iggy let the team down this year even though I agree with him philosophically (the team needs him to score, not play a defensive dump n chase game).

I think Feaster realizes that offense is the scarcest commodity in the league. You don't get rid of proven goal scorers (how many consecutive 30 goal years) but again, Iggy's line gave up more than they got. I don't know if that is entirely Iggy's fault. When David Moss (who I like) is indispensable, you know you are not deep.

Sutter is an honorable guy and a winner so we probably won't hear from him what he wanted changed.

I hope Feaster has a great offseason.

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#79 RexLibris
April 13 2012, 12:57AM
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I really don't think Kevin Lowe is assembling the team to determine who he would like on the Oilers, but rather who of the current group of available talent is willing and, in the end, capable of playing for Canada at upcoming international competitions. This could be Bouwmeester's last best chance to secure some interest for Sochi unless he has a strong year next season.

It looks like Bouwmeester is the only Flame attending. I have to wonder if Iginla was invited or declined. Were there any serious injuries that he reported at the bag-day availabilities?

P.S. The Oilers aren't going to ask for Bouwmeester, they aren't likely to trade Paajarvi at this time, and there is now way he ever waives his NTC to come to Edmonton. He has been very clear about not wanting to play in front of the home crowd, and with some justification given recent experience.

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#80 Parallex
April 13 2012, 03:53AM
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I wouldn't say it's way to high... sure he's overpaid a bit but despite what the haters want to try and have folk believe he's still a really good defenseman which the Oilers really need and by the time the premium young guys hit RFA status his contract would be expiring. Plus Paajarvi isn't as good as folk were making him out to be a few years back.

Honestly, at this point I'd rather have Bouwmeester anyways.

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#81 Monaertchi
April 13 2012, 08:24AM
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The new coach won't be Hartley because his team in Sweden, or wherever it is, said they won't release him from his contract. He's got another season there.

If Marc Crawford is the next coach of the Flames, I will become a TORONTO MAPLE LEAFS fan, I hate him that much. He thought Cloutier was a good enough goalie to bring him from Vancouver to LA. Crawford is an idiot.

Rumours of Tippet wanting out of the desert are exciting.

Outrageous Speculation:

Feast wanted to go full rebuild with a coach known for his success with young players (Brent). King kyboshed that by forcing Feast to keep Iggy and Kipper. Brent was done with Iggy and his lazy ways so he didn't sign on for another term.

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#82 The Red Pile
April 13 2012, 11:17AM
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Kevin R wrote:

Playfair was doomed & D Sutter was calling all the shots from GM office. You cany compare what Ward will be handed versus how Playfair got bent over. I think Ward is a way better coach anyway.

Pile of Red: I think you are the glue sniffer now. Turned on to Global & Grant Pollock suggested 3 potential candisates, Hartley, Ward & Tippett! So up your nose with a rubber hose potlicker!

My, my, that's your defense, cuz Global and Grant Pollock said so? The 14 teams that didn't make the playoffs may be in the market for a new coach. Tippett I'm sure has a checklist like any other UFA. If you made a checklist how would we stack up against the other 14? Put that plastic bag down and get some fresh air.

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#83 everton fc
April 13 2012, 11:26AM
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I assume Hartsburg is still under contract and that is why he wasn't let go today. I also assume he won't be the next head coach, and that whomever is will be given the option to hang on to him or relieve him of his duties.

As for Troy Ward, I wouldn't promote him at this time. If he's done such a wonderful job in Abby, why not keep him there? I don't think he's in danger of being poached at this time, not do I think he's ready to make the jump - his resume doesn't exactly scream "READY OR NOT".

Bob Hartley being Jay Feaster's son's Godfather obviously throws him near the front of the list. I'd like to see Nashville's Associate Coach Peter Horachek on that list. Dallas Eakins, too. And of course, any potential firings to come (from the playoff teams) would be of interest as well.

Good call on Hartley, though he is seen as a tough coach, tough on players... And if he's tied up in Sweden... I think Hartley's better suited for Montreal than here. But there is that connection to Feaster... Which is what bothers me about Feaster.

He hurt the Bolts signing Richards to that insane contract years ago... Then goes after Richards again, with another insane contract. Give this some real thought, people...

I have mentioned both Eakins and Horachek in prior posts. Also Jon Cooper in Norfolk and John Hynes in Wilkes-Barre. And Troy Ward, as well. To me, Ward is the type of coach you need for a rebuild. He is nothing like Playfair. If we are heading towards a rebuild... Ward may be our man. He certainly won't be around long, as some team will scoop him. Ditto Cooper. Hynes. (I think Nelson in OKC may be the next Oilers coach - Rex, would you concur this might be a strong possibility?)

What I like about Ward - he gets the best, if not more, from his players... Often. We need this here. Now.

Hartley, to me, is just another coach who's been there, done that. Sometimes it works, like Hitchcock in St. Louis. Many times, is doesn't (see Crawford's last two assignments) I hope Hartley's not the choice...

There's no way Hartsburg is our next coach. Nor will Ron Wilson. Nor Tippet.

This is a very important decision for Feaster. If he blows this one, he's done. Plain and simple.

I, for one, am pulling for Ward. Look what he's done w/Aliu. Howse. Kolanos....

@ Jeff Lebowski

"Sutter is an honorable guy and a winner so we probably won't hear from him what he wanted changed."

Agreed. I wish Brent the best.

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#84 RexLibris
April 13 2012, 11:40AM
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@Parallex

Essentially its a moot point because I highly doubt that Bouwmeester waives his NTC to come to Edmonton.

That being said, if Flames fans would rather have Bouwmeester I know that Oiler fans would rather have Paajarvi, so discussions of a trade are all hypothetical.

Paajarvi may become a top six forward, and certainly has the tools. I suspect that his best position will be as a swing forward on the left wing between the third and second line. Right now the LW depth chart is Hall, Paajarvi, Smyth, Petrell, Hartikainen, and perhaps eventually Curtis Hamilton. Smyth is likely playing third line next season so Paajarvi moves up and may end up playing on a line with Gagner and Yakupov (assumed). We'll see.

Bouwmeester may end up anchoring and mentoring for a younger defense corps next season in which case his experience and calm defensive play will be an asset. But I don't know that fans should expect an offensive season out of him.

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#85 RexLibris
April 13 2012, 11:53AM
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@everton fc

"(I think Nelson in OKC may be the next Oilers coach - Rex, would you concur this might be a strong possibility?)"

Yep. Most of the rebuilds that have come in the last ten years have made one coaching change (Savard to Quenneville, Therrien to Bylsma) and given Tambellini's style it is highly unlikely that he starts a revolving door of coaches trying to find "the perfect fit". My guess, and this is also in line with my own opinion on the matter, is that Tambellini feels that Renney and his staff still have at least one more year of lessons for this young group to learn (and the continuing influx of young players bound to start the season next year) and that Nelson is likely the de facto replacement-in-waiting at this time. Unless Detroit fires Babcock, I can't see there being any coaching prospect on the horizon that are a better fit in terms of teachers and communicators than Renney at this time.

The advantage with promoting Nelson is also, as I stated earlier, that he knows the system, the players and is also a teacher. He has made a point of finding a role for each and every player in OKC and while he has leaned on the AHL veterans so that the Oiler prospects' numbers aren't eye-popping, they are involved in the game doing the little things like the forecheck, the penalty kill, and so on that will help them become more well-rounded players as they mature. Prospects like Hamilton, Pitlick, and now Marincin have the talent, but based on their scouting and draft pedigree they need to learn how to make the most use of it. Nelson excels at that and to my mind he is a strong candidate to graduate to the NHL, and likely with the Oilers.

If Ward is the same kind of coach then is there a point in bringing him up next season if Feaster isn't going to give him the roster to match his strengths? What good is a teacher in a roomful of stubborn veteran players? If they brought up Ward as an associate coach alongside another so that they could transition is the wheels fall off the 2013 season then that would make sense, but Feaster can't say he's going to make the team younger by putting in a young coach with a philosphy of teaching and developing and then go and outfit the roster with established veterans who feel they have passed that phase of their career.

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#86 everton fc
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RexLibris wrote:

"(I think Nelson in OKC may be the next Oilers coach - Rex, would you concur this might be a strong possibility?)"

Yep. Most of the rebuilds that have come in the last ten years have made one coaching change (Savard to Quenneville, Therrien to Bylsma) and given Tambellini's style it is highly unlikely that he starts a revolving door of coaches trying to find "the perfect fit". My guess, and this is also in line with my own opinion on the matter, is that Tambellini feels that Renney and his staff still have at least one more year of lessons for this young group to learn (and the continuing influx of young players bound to start the season next year) and that Nelson is likely the de facto replacement-in-waiting at this time. Unless Detroit fires Babcock, I can't see there being any coaching prospect on the horizon that are a better fit in terms of teachers and communicators than Renney at this time.

The advantage with promoting Nelson is also, as I stated earlier, that he knows the system, the players and is also a teacher. He has made a point of finding a role for each and every player in OKC and while he has leaned on the AHL veterans so that the Oiler prospects' numbers aren't eye-popping, they are involved in the game doing the little things like the forecheck, the penalty kill, and so on that will help them become more well-rounded players as they mature. Prospects like Hamilton, Pitlick, and now Marincin have the talent, but based on their scouting and draft pedigree they need to learn how to make the most use of it. Nelson excels at that and to my mind he is a strong candidate to graduate to the NHL, and likely with the Oilers.

If Ward is the same kind of coach then is there a point in bringing him up next season if Feaster isn't going to give him the roster to match his strengths? What good is a teacher in a roomful of stubborn veteran players? If they brought up Ward as an associate coach alongside another so that they could transition is the wheels fall off the 2013 season then that would make sense, but Feaster can't say he's going to make the team younger by putting in a young coach with a philosphy of teaching and developing and then go and outfit the roster with established veterans who feel they have passed that phase of their career.

Agreed.

With Ward... Perhaps Harstburg is a defacto one year coach... with Ward as the associate...

That's make some sense.

So is Renney retained for all the work he's done? Say, in a front office position??

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#87 Kevin R
April 13 2012, 02:29PM
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My, my, that's your defense, cuz Global and Grant Pollock said so? The 14 teams that didn't make the playoffs may be in the market for a new coach. Tippett I'm sure has a checklist like any other UFA. If you made a checklist how would we stack up against the other 14? Put that plastic bag down and get some fresh air.

I guess you missed my point. You slammed me for being so far out to lunch to even fathom Tippet coming here as being a glue sniffer, well I dont think its as far out as you think. Lets put it in another context for the likes of you & Diehard, there are only 30 NHL coaching jobs in the world period. Simple supply & demand takes the selctive process out of those wanting to be an NHL head coach. So if Tippet likes the west & doesnt want to go to Quebec, I would think he would have to seriously consider any opportunity that would be available, regardless if the team sucked or not.

On J Staal, yeah I know that was pipe dream & wishful thinking, so what, my perogative just like its yours to be a needle dick.

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@everton fc

I think Renney coaches this year and then perhaps the next year he is asked to take on Todd Nelson as an associate coach. After that the team probably will just wait to see if the team can win at that point before plotting a new trajectory in the coaching ranks.

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#89 RexLibris
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Here's a little prognostication for everyone:

"The Calgary Flames are proud to announce the hiring of our new head coach. Craig MacTavish has been an assistant coach and head coach in the NHL for many years. A resident of Alberta, he has experience with veteran and rookie rosters and is an excellent communicator having just earned his MBA at Queens University in Kingston. Craig MacTavish brings a wealth of experience both as a coach and a player to the job. Aside from spending some time on TSN's experts panel, he has most recently been working with the Chicago Wolves of the AHL, where he led the team to third in the Western Conference with a record of 40-27-3-3 for 86 points."

Just saying, it might not be a bad idea. He's done wonders with challenged rosters and can work with both rookies and veterans and would be a good candidate if management decides not to take the whole thing apart.

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