Jarome Iginla Trade Scenarios Open Thread

Kent Wilson
April 28 2012 11:30AM

 

 

The idea of trading Jarome Iginla has been kicked around and debated for years. This thread is not to discuss the potential merits or possibility of such a move however - merely to establish what readers and fans would consider a good, realistic return for the Flames captain if he was hypothetically dealt this summer.

As such, I'd like everyone to add their ideal (but still plausible) package in the comment section. Meaning, let's avoid suggestions Iggy should be dealt for Giroux, Crosby or Malkin. If everyone sticks to at least semi-realistic scenarios, we can maybe construct an "average" potential return out of all the suggestions.

Some info to provide context for your hypothetical trades

- Iginla has a NTC, so it's unlikely he would accept deals to teams without a reasonable chance of winning in the short term.

- His cap hit is $7M next year, the last year of his current contract. His destination team must be able to absorb his contract or be able to move money in the deal in order to do so. Capgeek.com and NHLNumbers.com are your friends.

- The rumored return for Iginla to LAK was Wayne Simmonds, a draft pick and Brayden Schenn not too long ago. Seeing as the Kings later traded Schenn and Simmonds for Mike Richards, we can reasonably assume there was some fire to go with that smoke. It therefore makes sense to use that rumor as an "anchor" for your suggestions.

- Iginla will turn 35 years old on July 1. He's in great shape, but this is the age where even great players usually start to suffer a real drop in performance.

Again, this isn't a debate over whether the Flames should or will trade Iginla. Just a look at reasonable, hypothetical trade scenarios to spark a discussion and maybe get an idea of Iginla's potential value. Fans of other teams are welcome to weigh in since a variety of perspectives is useful.

And that's it. If this exercise proves interesting we can discuss the best suggestions and then repeat it in a week or so with Kipper.

 

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#1 Jonesin
April 28 2012, 11:43AM
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Iggy for Jordan Staal straight up!!

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#2 RKD
April 28 2012, 11:42AM
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I'm no GM, but I believe Jarome will net you a 1st round pick, a prospect and a roster player.

However, other teams are leery to take Iginla unless he signs an extension, meaning trading Iginla would most certainly mean he would never return to the Calgary Flames.

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#3 They're $hittie
April 28 2012, 11:45AM
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Price for rental players is going down. And while Jerome is a better addition than some rentals in the past those players were in most cases much younger. I think you get a roster player or prospect and a playoff team first round.

Trade to Ottawa at deadline for 1st round pick and Puemple.

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#4 Jeremy
April 28 2012, 11:50AM
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I'd be willing to send Iginla to St. Louis. Why the Blues? They have Ty Rattie, Sven Baertschi`s linemate in Portland. They have amazing chemistry together. Reuniting the both of them could be very beneficial for the Flames organization.

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#6 Austin
April 28 2012, 12:24PM
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Send Iggy (7M$) to Washington for Semin (6.7M$) and a first round pick, and some prospect. This gives Washington enough time to free up 300,000K which shouldn't be too hard and they have the whole off-season to do it.

I also like the idea of sending St.Louis for a package that would involve Ty Rattie. Very intriguing.

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#7 Austin Lowry
April 28 2012, 12:26PM
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Sorry, forget that last commenet, I did not realize Semin was going to be a UFA at the end of this season. In that case I'd definately inquire about shipping Iggy to St.Louis.

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#8 backburner
April 28 2012, 12:26PM
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I think the best fits for Jerome would be Ottawa, St. Louis, or Boston.

I like Ty Rattie and a top six (Berglund), or a first from St. Louis...

Mark Stone and a first from the Sens...

OR Dougie Hamilton and Krejci, or a first from the Bruins...

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#9 Kevin R
April 28 2012, 12:28PM
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1st off, I think we are past the point where Iggy's return is simply rental of nature anymore. I really dont see him doing a quick extend & trade type of deal & he is a type of player that will not be bullied into deciding where he lands as a UFA just to accomodate a trade. Therefore, once again I dont see any urgency trading Iggy this summer, in fact, his rental return will be higher at the trade deadline. During the summer, every team has expectations to be aplayoff team next year. So for poops & giggles I will give 2 scenarios of trade deadline targets & summer trades:

Summer trade: will need to be with teams that are contenders who feel a year with Iggy & they can convince him to extend to a lucrative 3 year deal at the end of next season.

1/Pittsburg: We all know Sid loved playing with Iggy in the Olympics. Lets consider they know J Staal has 1 more year left, wants a larger role than what he currently has & will be looking for a nice contract in 1 year. Neal & Malkin made a great tandem & Sid & Iggy would make a 2nd tandem, Pitt needs defence & possibly a highly touted centre prospect, so here is what I suggest: To Pitt- Iggy, Backlund(would make a great 3rd line centre in Pitt), Butler(solid inexpensive 3-4 d)2012 3rd pick. To Calgary- J Staal, roster player(salary back), 2012 1st rounder

2/Boston: Depending on the health of Horton, the strength they have in centre, Iggy would certainly be a target for the Bruins: To Bruins-Iggy, 2012 3rd rounder. To Calgary-Kriejci, 2012 1st rounder, 2012 2nd rounder

3/Buffalo: Owner that wants to spend & has no problem eating contracts. To Buffalo-Iggy. To Calgary- Adams, Sekera, Buffalo 2012 1st

Trade Deadline: Opens up more teams & those teams will depend where they stand next February. Iggy will be a straight rental at this point. So Feaster would need to generate a bidding war of the best top propspect, a 2013 1st & 2013 2nd rounder & a UFA salary dump would probably come back.

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#10 backburner
April 28 2012, 12:28PM
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It would be cool if the Flames could draft Pouliot at 14th overall!

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#11 RKD
April 28 2012, 12:41PM
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Kent Wilson wrote:

However, other teams are leery to take Iginla unless he signs an extension

Im not certain this is true, although it's possible. Keep in mind that under the current CBA, contracts for players aged 35 or older are bigger gambles because the cap hit sticks even if the player is demoted or retires. Maybe that changes with the new CBA, but I doubt it.

I'd be willing to send Iginla to St. Louis.

Makes sense. The Blues have an embarrassment of riches when it comes to young players/prospects. Berglund, Oshie, Stewart and Perron are all under 25 years old and they have Rattie, Jaden Schwartz and Vladamir Tarsenko all waiting in the wings.

I don't think any GM would want to give up their assets to only get Iggy for one year given the uncertainty of the CBA. If there was a lockout, Iggy could get traded to a team and never have to play for them because next year he would be free to sign anywhere.

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#12 Why Not Us
April 28 2012, 01:02PM
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I'm personally a big fan of a deal with St. Louis. They are a team which (depending how deep they go this year) could very likely benefit from the experience, veteran presence and leadership that Iggy could bring to their relatively young group. They are definitely in "win now" mode and I think that Iggy would be as likely to waive to go there as any other contending team.

My preference would be to see Jaden Schwartz as the key piece coming back, although Rattie would be a good return too (plus a 1st and a decent fwd obviously).

I like the Ottawa for Mark Stone+ suggestion too...not sure that Iggy would be as willing to waive to go there, but the other elements involved seem to line up quite nicely.

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#13 loudogYYC
April 28 2012, 01:04PM
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The only problems I see with trading Iginla at next years deadline is that you have no way of knowing if he'll be healthy and tradable by then and no way of knowing if his decline will accelerate in the months prior the deadline. The other thing is that you probably wouldn't receive a high quality roster player at the deadline cuz no one gives those up when you're preparing for a run at the cup.

That said, I think Boston would be the ideal trading partner for Calgary. They're one of the deepest teams at Centre and they're weak at RW.

To Boston: Iginla, Nemisz, 2013 3rd rd pick. Total NHL salary: $8,045,833 (If Nemo hits bonuses)

To Calgary: Krejci, Spooner, 2013 4th rd pick. Total NHL salary: $5,973,333 (If Spooner plays)

Boston takes on as much as $2,072,500 if Nemisz hits every attainable bonus. If he doesn't make the 23 man roster then Boston only takes on $1,750,000. They have the cap space and the possibility of putting Hortons $4M on LTIR to give them even more flexibility.

Calgary gets a solid, proven playmaking centre who's 25 years old and an awesome up and coming, although unproven C prospect.

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#14 SmellOfVictory
April 28 2012, 01:32PM
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Pittsburgh: Joe Morrow + 1st, or Staal

Boston: Hamilton (might be a reach)

Chicago (for Iginla + Kiprusoff): Frolik + Crawford + McNeill + Saad (Frolik might be undervalued enough to be considered a cap dump)

St. Louis: Tarasenko or Perron

NYR: Tim Erixon (hohoho). Dubinsky + Kreider

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#15 They're $hittie
April 28 2012, 02:00PM
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@SmellOfVictory

pittsburg, sorry, staal is worth more than iginla going forward

boston, hamilton is the only prospect the need to develop to stay competitive, not happening

Chicago, maybe,

St. louis, not happening, they are winning without needing to trade a very high end talent or roster player

NYR, Dubinsky one for one maybe.

Iginla's value keeps going down and the league knows this. Calgary will lose this trade even though it needs to be made.

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#16 Gmac34
April 28 2012, 02:26PM
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I agree that J. Staal is worth more than Iggy straight up. I'd be fine with Jarome plus our first for Staal. We get a top 6 centre who can play in every situation and has good offensive skills.

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#17 Baalzamon
April 28 2012, 02:33PM
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@They're $hittie

you're way undervaluing Iginla. there was an article in the sun a few months ago where Eric Francis (I know, but bear with me) interviewed several GMs (none named) and concluded that Iginla would fetch a top 6 forward AND a top prospect/1st round pick. No less.

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#18 They're $hittie
April 28 2012, 03:25PM
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Baalzamon wrote:

you're way undervaluing Iginla. there was an article in the sun a few months ago where Eric Francis (I know, but bear with me) interviewed several GMs (none named) and concluded that Iginla would fetch a top 6 forward AND a top prospect/1st round pick. No less.

Not undervaluing him, saying the market is going down. How many rental made this year at the deadline. GM's are more cautious than ever to trade the future on rental or ageing players. We will wait and see what he fetches than. I was also mearly stating that the scenarios mentioned would not be done.

I suggested Ottawas first and Matt Puempel or Stefan Noesen, that is a value that is exactly what you mentioned.

I guess it comes down to who is more desperate, Calgary for Picks, a team needing that extra push for a cup with cap space or a bubble team with a GM needing to keep his job.

Also Flames should tear it down this year. The prize at the end of the rainbow is as good as it gets.

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#19 Kevin R
April 28 2012, 04:00PM
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@ What is happening to Ebs: Dont understand your arguement. Detroit paid a 1st rounder for Quincey, a UFA I believe. I know Gaustad is a UFA & Nashville gave up a 1st rounder. Iginla is light years ahead of these players even as a rental. Assets like 1st rounders & top just about ready prospects are nothing to a GM for a legit player to get him into the Stanley Cup sweepstakes. I dont buy your Iggy's value is nose diving. We would have got way more if we had traded him last year or the year before but players like him rarely even become available as rentals. Case in point, do you think Dallas wouldnt have gotten a nice return for Richards at the deadline? They could have gotten a 2nd rounder for just trading his rights in June & Richards quashed that.

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#20 Linemates for Baertschi
April 28 2012, 04:03PM
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Trade Iginla to either STL for Tarasenko or WSH for Kuznetsov, add other pieces if necessary to get the trade done. Both prospects project to top line forwards (NHLe point totals of 59 and 57, respectively) and would be great additions to future core and top line alongside Baertschi. This summer might be the only chance to get either of them before they move from KHL to NHL and their value skyrockets.

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#21 They're $hittie
April 28 2012, 04:40PM
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Kevin R wrote:

@ What is happening to Ebs: Dont understand your arguement. Detroit paid a 1st rounder for Quincey, a UFA I believe. I know Gaustad is a UFA & Nashville gave up a 1st rounder. Iginla is light years ahead of these players even as a rental. Assets like 1st rounders & top just about ready prospects are nothing to a GM for a legit player to get him into the Stanley Cup sweepstakes. I dont buy your Iggy's value is nose diving. We would have got way more if we had traded him last year or the year before but players like him rarely even become available as rentals. Case in point, do you think Dallas wouldnt have gotten a nice return for Richards at the deadline? They could have gotten a 2nd rounder for just trading his rights in June & Richards quashed that.

Iggys value is going down for many reasons.

The biggest being that rental players values are going down. Look at the market at deadline this past year.

the other reasons are his age, his production, etc. What I am saying is that when it comes to the negotiating table market value determines the players worth. If they traded him two years ago the probably would have got a 1st a 2nd a 3rd a former first round pick and a roster player.

If you are sitting down with Feaster (who has no plan or idea what so ever) you know you are in the driver seat. If the playoff race looks set earlier in the year than rentals are not as in high of demand.

If you are a GM looking for a move and dont want to trade picks for a rental maybe you would trade them for a younger player. Thus not destroying your next 6 or 7 years.

There are tonnes of things that determine value, and unfortunately for Feaster Jeromes Star Power and Production may not be enough to get what he wants.

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#22 suba steve
April 28 2012, 04:50PM
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Iggy to Chicago for Mark McNeill, Nik Hjalmarsson or Dave Bolland, and Chi first rounder in 2013. Flames get younger and gain depth in their lineup. No guarantee that McNeill becomes the #1 C that they have been dreaming of, probably more like a good #2 C.

Could also consider Iggy plus Kipper to Chi. for McNeill, Brandon Saad, Hjalmarrson, Bolland, 2013 first, 2012 & 2013 2nd rounders.

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#23 Greg
April 28 2012, 05:16PM
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Can't see it happening this summer with the "keep-winning-while-rebuilding" mantra an the CBA uncertainty. I'm predicting it'll be painfully obvious a rebuild is needed by December next year and Iggy gets moved at the deadline. I think Iggy to stl for Ty Rattie makes a lot of sense. Perhaps with an additional pick depending on how he's playing then.

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#24 oldhippy
April 28 2012, 06:24PM
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I apologize in advance, as I'm an Oiler fan. I'm not sure trading Iginla nets a huge return. I know it is not the same market as the '90's when Iggy was brought to Calgary but.......Nieuwendyk was sent to Dallas for Iggy and Corey Millen. Millen was a small throw away, while Iggy had just been drafted, 11th overall. I'm thinking the Flames would get a similar return in similar conditions. In other words, a mid first rounder, and a useful player, to a team who is performing well, but in need of a difference maker, going in to the play-offs. Talk of any more than that is putting an awful high price on the guy.

As quoted, a team would be looking to sign him to a three year extension. HUH? At the end of this contract he will be 36. At the end of an additional 3 years, he would be 39. Hardly going to receive a "lucrative" contract. Were he a free agent right now, what would he be offered, in a one or two year deal? I doubt it would be $7m. For that money (or slightly more), you could sign Suter or Parise, and have them entering their prime years. And not give up anything. As good as Iginla is, as good as he takes care of himself, HE IS LOSING GROUND at this point in his career.

Best return is at or near the trade deadline, as a rental. That said, if you could package a draft pick and Iginla for Jordan Staal, You have a new franchise player to build around. I can see Pittsburgh being motivated to make that deal.

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#25 Caleb
April 28 2012, 09:19PM
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I like the idea to St Louis

I think they could get a Jaden Schwartz, Chris Stewart (RFA) and a first or second round pick

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#26 John Deere Green
April 28 2012, 11:20PM
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After watching the Penguins in the first round fall to the Flyers, in my opinion I think they could use some help on D. Is there a chance they would take both Bowmiester and Iginla? That would be a hell of a lot of salary going Pitts way so the Flames would need to take a bunch back, so I'm not so sure it would work.

Otherwise, I think a deal to St. Louis for Rattie would be outstanding.

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#27 DangleSnipeCelly
April 29 2012, 12:09AM
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Iginla to:

Boston for Krejci and Spooner

St. Louis for Sobotka, Terasenko and an early round pick

Rangers for Anisemov and Kreider

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#28 T&A4Flames
April 29 2012, 01:15AM
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A lot of St Louis suggestions so far. I've been saying since last year that they would be a great fit. My 2 cents, Iggy for Stewart, Rattie and a 1st rounder. We may have to add a mid prospect or 3rd rounder.

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#29 Sincity1976
April 29 2012, 01:59AM
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Boston: Krejci, Knight, 1st

Washington: Green, Orlov

St Louis: Schwartz, Rattie, Stewart

Boston has an excess of C and could use Iggy on the RW. Krejci helps the Flames C. Knight upgrades our RW prospect pool.

Washington also needs help at RW. Calgary gets a couple of offensive D with RH shots and lots of upside.

St. Louis could use a star forward. Especially at RW. Calgary gets a strong prospect who is able to play C, a prospect with proven chemistry with Baertschi, and a young player who has shown he can be a 30 goal scorer but is having a rough season.

Other teams that are possible, but I don't see a great fit:

New York Rangers: To strong on RW. Pittsburgh: To tight to the cap. In need of an upgrade D. Not more scoring. Philly: Another team that is strong at RW and close to the cap. Tampa: Not a contender Toronto: Not a contender Detroit: Probably will address their needs in free agency. San Jose: Will be in our division if the alignment goes through. LA: Same as San Jose Anaheim: Again, same problem. Also, not a contender. Buffalo: Not a contender

Everyone else is obviously not a fit for one reason or another.

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#30 Reidja
April 29 2012, 02:23AM
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Pavelski and a prospect

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#31 Mitch2
April 29 2012, 07:56AM
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Boston or Pitts are highly likely candidate teams.

Boston

Krejci / Ference / Knight / 1st or prospect

Calgary Iggy / D. Smith / 3rd or prospect

The Cap here is almost a perfect match with Iggy and Smith totaling 7.75 milion. Krejci and Ference are 7.5 million. Ference is in his final year and starting to see bottom pairing time in Boston at the age of 33.

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PIT

J. Staal / M. Cooke / M. Niskanen

CGY

Iggy / D. Smith

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Again the Cap is close - Niskanen is going RFA, his Cap hit was 1.5 million, will probably be higher if he is resigned but assuming it isn't. Pitts sends 7.3 million in total Cap back at CGY

CGY sends 7.7 million. Smith will be much more attractive to the Pens with his safer D game and lower Cap hit than Niskanen is with his more risky offensive game. Cooke is just the turd in the deal that makes the Cap work but could slot to replace Moss or Comeau if they are not resigned. Hold your nose but Cooke is serviceable 3rd line player and Pitts needs to move his Cap hit. He will make Staal possible

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#32 Mitch2
April 29 2012, 08:04AM
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@DangleSnipeCelly

Kreider is as untouchable as Sven now.

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#33 Mitch2
April 29 2012, 08:31AM
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@ Kent

I certainly hope you will analyze the best suggestions, that would be a great couple of articles. I am a little annoyed I got beat up so badly on my scenarios.

Couple suggestions.

(1) I personally get annoyed with trade scenarios that are full of picks and prospects. That is contrary to the stated mandate of the team to be competitive next year. Calgary is not going to trade Iginla / Kipper for just picks or prospects that are years from playing in the NHL.

Although they may be part of the trade, I do not think they will be the primary part. If prospects are in the trade at least one of them should be one that can be anticipated to be on the roster next year like Sven.

(2) Please also consider the Cap. Given the CBA I think a Cap freeze on this years limit is appropriate. ie - if Calgary moves either Iggy or Kipper I see a Cap turd coming back.

(3) In the case of Kipper trades please consider Cap allocated to the G position in total. I get annoyed with Kipper trades that allocate Kipper to a team without taking a G back and take their amount of Cap allocated to G into the stratosphere. That isn't going to happen.

(4) Please also consider the overall placement of picks. I get so frustrated by people who throw around 1st round picks like they are interchangeable between teams. Huge difference between TB's 1st and Boston's this year.

Please do this article - the two stars of the Flames are certainly under discussion this off-season and it would be extremely appreciated to have a solid analysis on the realistic "potential" returns.

I also stick by my position that top G's have been undervalued over the last decade worth of trades. All those trades were lost by the team dealing to the top G, so I certainly hope I will not see a 2nd and a B prospect for Kipper.

Even if I screwed up my Toronto trade proposal, there is no way Kipper is traded for that kind of paltry return.

P.S. Oh and take note that with Weisbrod coming over to Calgary as Asst GM, just a reminder he was former Director of Scouting for the Bruins. He will really know the college players and the internal prospects in that organization. I see Boston has a highly attractive destination for Iginla.

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#34 Dave
April 29 2012, 10:02AM
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I could see him going to Boston or washington. With semin leaving they are going to want to replace that.

My ideal situation would be to get krejci back from boston. Maybe Krejci and a first for Iggy and a 3rd. I don't really know. But Boston has a lot of centers and like staal i think some of them are going to want more responsibility.

Calgary is going to need centers esspecially if they don't resign Ollie

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#35 suba steve
April 29 2012, 10:18AM
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@Mitch2

My thinking is: why even consider trading Kipper or Iggy if the goal is to stay "competative" next year? Yes, the stated goal is just that, but it has also been said that Iggy will not be traded. If the Flames make this/these moves, I hope they get a whole lot of youth, no one older then 25-26 unless it is just for a throw in player to eat salary to make a deal work. As for considering cap hit etc., I agree with you. I, however, didn't spend a lot of time considering that in my Chicago scenario(as I'm sure is the case in many other posts). Was thinking of my post as more of a starting offer, then as a finished deal. If you have to pick up Crawford to make a Kipper deal work then so be it, but I'm not sure I would give a lot of value in that trade to the inclusion of Crawford. Would think of it as more of a favor to Bowman and want an extra 3rd or 4th rounder for taking Crawford. Otherwise, leave it for him to worry about moving Crawford elsewhere.

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#36 Matt
April 29 2012, 11:15AM
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I was definitely one of the ones who never wanted to trade Jarome, but I do believe it may be time... I don't think you can officially make "changes", to set this club in the right direction, without moving Jarome... As long as he is here, everything evolves around him... And if young players see Jarome "taking nights/shifts off", then that's what our young players will think is ok to do... But not to go on a huge rant... Here is my proposal..

To Pittsburgh; Jarome Iginla, Greg Nemisz

To Calgary: Jordan Staal, 1st round pick, and a prospect of some sort...

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#37 T&A4Flames
April 29 2012, 11:17AM
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Not likely to happen but I would love to see an Iggy to FLA for Huberdeau and a 1st.

I like the Iggy to PIT scenarios. Maybe if conditional picks were added. If there is a lockout and Iggy never plays for PIT, CGY returns a 1st +. If Staal doesn't resign we get a 1st +. Maybe this or a similar arrangement satisfies both parties.

I've always liked St. Louis as trade partner, but I am aware of the fact that they also have an abundance of RW. What about Iggy, GlenX/Tangs and Smith/ Butler for Stewart, Dagostini, Pollack, Rattie and a 1st. Probably too much change for a team that is definitely on the up swing.

I like BOS for Krejci and Hamilton.

I think there could be a lot of possibilities.

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#38 T&A4Flames
April 29 2012, 11:17AM
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Matt wrote:

I was definitely one of the ones who never wanted to trade Jarome, but I do believe it may be time... I don't think you can officially make "changes", to set this club in the right direction, without moving Jarome... As long as he is here, everything evolves around him... And if young players see Jarome "taking nights/shifts off", then that's what our young players will think is ok to do... But not to go on a huge rant... Here is my proposal..

To Pittsburgh; Jarome Iginla, Greg Nemisz

To Calgary: Jordan Staal, 1st round pick, and a prospect of some sort...

Tangradi

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#39 Kevin R
April 29 2012, 11:20AM
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@ Steve & Mitch2: Agree with Steve, a rebuild is a rebuild. Star players in their mid thirty's are huge pieces for contending teams, those teams are not about to give competitive roster players in exchange. Last year was the last hurrah, Feaster allowed that group one more shot, yeah injuries may have caused us to fall short, but enough of this insanity!!! Now I see J Staal as a potential piece & one of a few trades where Flames dont take steps backward. Tough situation in Pitt & Staal wants to become the leader of a team, never happen in Pitt. Staal is also a UFA at the end of next year, just like Iggy. Pitt management have a lot more vision than what DSutter had. Now Iggy for J Staal, obviously not going to happen, thats why we have to give pieces maybe many others wouldnt want to part with. I think Butler is a well priced 4-5 Dman, he made great strides last year compared to his Buffalo time. Would suck to part with him. Backlund has huge upside & would fit real nice as a 3rd line centre in Pitt. Return, we get Staal. How huge is that for a team looking for a big centre to build around. Staal gets his team to call his & we sign him him to a very nice contract this summer. I would like to see a 2nd rounder coming back with Staal in that scenario.

Mitch I wouldnt worry too much about Crawford & that cap hit, Chicago does have some cap room & there is talk of Hossa packing it in. If the offer was Mcneil(2011 1st rounder), Chic 2012 1st & a roster salary dump for Kipper, I'd take it.

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#40 MC Hockey
April 29 2012, 11:38AM
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Sincity1976 wrote:

Boston: Krejci, Knight, 1st

Washington: Green, Orlov

St Louis: Schwartz, Rattie, Stewart

Boston has an excess of C and could use Iggy on the RW. Krejci helps the Flames C. Knight upgrades our RW prospect pool.

Washington also needs help at RW. Calgary gets a couple of offensive D with RH shots and lots of upside.

St. Louis could use a star forward. Especially at RW. Calgary gets a strong prospect who is able to play C, a prospect with proven chemistry with Baertschi, and a young player who has shown he can be a 30 goal scorer but is having a rough season.

Other teams that are possible, but I don't see a great fit:

New York Rangers: To strong on RW. Pittsburgh: To tight to the cap. In need of an upgrade D. Not more scoring. Philly: Another team that is strong at RW and close to the cap. Tampa: Not a contender Toronto: Not a contender Detroit: Probably will address their needs in free agency. San Jose: Will be in our division if the alignment goes through. LA: Same as San Jose Anaheim: Again, same problem. Also, not a contender. Buffalo: Not a contender

Everyone else is obviously not a fit for one reason or another.

This is the most sensible of the trade partner suggestions I have seen at least in terms of which teams are the most suitable (StL, Was, Bos), less likely (Phi, NYR, Pit, Tor, TB, Det) and dangerous (all teams likely to be in our future conference or division). However, I think the returns from the 3 likely partners would be more like:

Bos - Krejci + Knight OR first and 3rd rounder to Bos with Iggy (above idea too much for Iggy when trading with strong team)

StL - Shwatrz and Raittie only with 3rd rounder joining Iggy to them (above idea too much and both these guys are top prospects)

Was - Laich and Orlov (we don't really need 2 D-men back and Green is not going to be ever traded by Was as they win far more with him in the lineup)

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#41 MC Hockey
April 29 2012, 11:45AM
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Tangradi

This makes sense and I love the idea of J Staal as the future co-face of the franchise with Baertschi and Gio. Hey if Eric wants to come over too (LOL) that would be great.

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#42 MC Hockey
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Jeremy wrote:

I'd be willing to send Iginla to St. Louis. Why the Blues? They have Ty Rattie, Sven Baertschi`s linemate in Portland. They have amazing chemistry together. Reuniting the both of them could be very beneficial for the Flames organization.

Love this idea! Chemistry is not automatic unless your linemate happens to be Gretzky, Lemieux, Adam Oates, Sakic, Yzerman, or in the modern era Joe Thornton, Crosby or Malkin.

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#43 MC Hockey
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backburner wrote:

I think the best fits for Jerome would be Ottawa, St. Louis, or Boston.

I like Ty Rattie and a top six (Berglund), or a first from St. Louis...

Mark Stone and a first from the Sens...

OR Dougie Hamilton and Krejci, or a first from the Bruins...

Given Ottawa's progress this year, I believe they may be less likely to mess with it...unless Alfie retires, then Yes! Other ideas better.

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#44 MC Hockey
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oldhippy wrote:

I apologize in advance, as I'm an Oiler fan. I'm not sure trading Iginla nets a huge return. I know it is not the same market as the '90's when Iggy was brought to Calgary but.......Nieuwendyk was sent to Dallas for Iggy and Corey Millen. Millen was a small throw away, while Iggy had just been drafted, 11th overall. I'm thinking the Flames would get a similar return in similar conditions. In other words, a mid first rounder, and a useful player, to a team who is performing well, but in need of a difference maker, going in to the play-offs. Talk of any more than that is putting an awful high price on the guy.

As quoted, a team would be looking to sign him to a three year extension. HUH? At the end of this contract he will be 36. At the end of an additional 3 years, he would be 39. Hardly going to receive a "lucrative" contract. Were he a free agent right now, what would he be offered, in a one or two year deal? I doubt it would be $7m. For that money (or slightly more), you could sign Suter or Parise, and have them entering their prime years. And not give up anything. As good as Iginla is, as good as he takes care of himself, HE IS LOSING GROUND at this point in his career.

Best return is at or near the trade deadline, as a rental. That said, if you could package a draft pick and Iginla for Jordan Staal, You have a new franchise player to build around. I can see Pittsburgh being motivated to make that deal.

The Oilers fan admittance discredited everything said after that first sentence.

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Much as I'd love to say it would be a package of a player, prospect and pick, I wonder if we're past that. I wonder if it would look more like Perron & Rattie for Iggy and a pick. I would be all over this deal, and I think St Louis would be in a position to deal these two because they have so many good, young players in the system, and Perron hasn't played many games in the last two seasons.

Moving forward, especially without Jarome, I think the Flames' depth at RW will be really thin. Adding Perron, and especially Rattie would be a good step at addressing the depth at that position long-term.

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@Kevin R

I like your Pittsburgh option. Calgary takes on some risk as their prized return could walk for nothin, but they would have several months ahead of July 1st to negotiate a new deal.

The 1st rounder and another signed roster player would be insurance to that effect.

Backlund as a replacement for Staal is one heck of a downgrade, but more appropriate for where Backlund is in his development.

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@Mitch2

The Boston option seems pretty do-able. I would probably have suggested Krejci and Ference for Iginla and left out the picks and prospects. Those all seem to just balance each other out and shuffle cards between the two teams.

Knight could be in play, but I suspect that Boston would want to keep him to eventually mature into their RW lineup, perhaps even to replace Iginla if he doesn't re-sign. St. Louis seems to be getting a lot of attention from Flames fans here. I personally doubt that they would be interested in parting with Rattie, given his WHL performance to-date. But I can understand the interest Calgary fans would have.

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#48 KetchupKid
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I can't believe the number of people that think Jordan Staal is attainable. You guys just made my day.

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#49 MC Hockey
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They're $hittie wrote:

Iggys value is going down for many reasons.

The biggest being that rental players values are going down. Look at the market at deadline this past year.

the other reasons are his age, his production, etc. What I am saying is that when it comes to the negotiating table market value determines the players worth. If they traded him two years ago the probably would have got a 1st a 2nd a 3rd a former first round pick and a roster player.

If you are sitting down with Feaster (who has no plan or idea what so ever) you know you are in the driver seat. If the playoff race looks set earlier in the year than rentals are not as in high of demand.

If you are a GM looking for a move and dont want to trade picks for a rental maybe you would trade them for a younger player. Thus not destroying your next 6 or 7 years.

There are tonnes of things that determine value, and unfortunately for Feaster Jeromes Star Power and Production may not be enough to get what he wants.

Ummm value NOT going down at the trade deadline when Gaustad nets a first rounder despite being a UFA this summer but nice try!

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#50 thymebalm
April 29 2012, 05:50PM
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How do people feel about

Cam Fowler + Emerson Etem for Jarome Iginla?

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