Flames Picks Round 5-7

Kent Wilson
June 23 2012 10:49AM

 

 

Ryan Culkin, D - 124th overall

Culkin is a defender from the Quebec Ramparts of QMJHL. He's the third defenseman picked by the Flames in this draft, making Jankowski the only forward chosen in the top-125 by Calgary. Culkin is a 6'1", 175 pound blueliner who scored 6 goals and 25 points in 60 games. Like many other Flames picks in this draft, he's described as a player with good hockey sense. Boucher scouting has an in-depth one game scout report and even summary on Culkin here.

 Coda Gordon, LW - 165 overall

Flames go back to their WHL roots with the Gordon pick. A winger with the Swift Current Broncos, Gordon scored 30 goals and 53 points in 66 games, good for second on the team. He's described as a forward who has a great shot and good physical play, but below average skating.

Matthew Deblouw, C - 186 overall

The Flames rounded things out with a 6', 185 pound center out of the UHSL, Deblouw put up 11 goals and 34 points for Muskegan. He was the 51st ranked NA skater by Central scouting at the end of the year.

Thus concludes the Flames 2012 entry draft. Calgary went heavy on defenders and players from Quebec and United States leagues/development systems, which is a big departure from previous habits under the former regime. Jankowski was the Flames lone high reward type choice in this draft, while the rest of the choices were defensible, but far more middle of the road.

It's apparent the Flames think there is some value in scouting Quebec and relatively minor feeder leagues like the USHL right now. We'll see if their intuition proves correct. 

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#1 Stockley
June 23 2012, 11:00AM
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Underwhelming is the only word I can really think of right now. My opinion on most of the guys selected ranges from lukewarm to indifferent. Just seemed like there were better players available at every selection. I know the scouting staff is paid for their expertise and should have some idea what they're doing; but the same could be said for a lot of other scouting services, websites, bloggers, etc. Every choice made seemed to be at least a little off-the-wall.

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#2 Ryan Pike
June 23 2012, 11:05AM
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Love love love the Coda Gordon pick-up.

Wait and see on the other two.

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#3 Ryan Pinder
June 23 2012, 11:11AM
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Don't sleep on the USHL as a developmental league. If you include kids committed to play there next year, and grads who have been selected out of college they numbers show a league that probably has more fingerprints on players than any other in the world.

While the 1st round always skews towards the CHL, it would be interesting to see the total numbers from the whole draft keeping in mind the previous paragraph.

Other bonus of the league is that it moves players along rather quickly, whereas the AHL keep players at the same level of play for 3-4 years with regularity. Also, I'm under the impression a USHL product can play in the AHL at 19, while CHL players have to wait until they're 20 (which is why Canucks F Niklas Jensen is heading back to Europe this season to further his development as a 19-year-old).

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#4 Ryan Pinder
June 23 2012, 11:12AM
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@Ryan Pinder

"whereas the CHL" not AHL... dammit

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#5 flamesburn89
June 23 2012, 11:13AM
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I'll reserve judgement until I can really gauge the guys picked by the Flames. Right now, I'm feeling pretty underwhelmed, but I didn't even know who John Gaudreau was last year, and the Flames looked like they've hit a home run with him so maybe this draft will be prove to be a good one for the Flames in the future.

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#6 Sobueno
June 23 2012, 11:28AM
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We can gripe about the picks this year all we want, but no one (including Feaster himself) can really determine whether it was a success until we see how these guys develop over the next several years. That being said, I really thought they'd be taking Tervainen or Girgenson with either 14 or 21. I wonder if they still would have traded the 14 had Forsberg or Grigorenko been available?

I also think that the only past drafts we can judge Feaster on are those completed with the same, or similar, scouting group that he has now. When he was in Tampa that was a completely different group, and thus likely a completely different drafting focus. Plus, you live and you learn as the saying goes.

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#7 Parallex
June 23 2012, 12:10PM
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"but below average skating."

Blah, hate drafting weak skaters. That being said 30G scorers don't grow on tree's and certainly not that late in the draft. In the 6th round you don't find guys without any major flaws.

Think I would have preferred Emil Lundberg for pick #7. 6'4 Swede experienced playing against men... kinda profiles like David Moss.

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#8 negrilcowboy
June 23 2012, 12:10PM
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wow, that a draft. i guess in five years we can all sit back and wonder what could have been. or be amazed at the foresight. as for today i am confused as hell as to the thinking of the brain trust. kent please help me digest this.

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#9 everton fc
June 23 2012, 12:21PM
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@Sobueno

I get all that. Nothing's guaranteed. Look at Jessiman.

That said, there was some obviously better option than the ones we chose. A lot of dice-rolls here. Including Jankowski.

To me, Grigensons is an NHL body with an NHL charater. I think the Sabres have a good one here. We passed on Maatta, then proceeded to pick a bunch of defenders... Can anyone help me understand this??

The direction of the team has certainly changed. I'll assume 8 of 10 Flames fans are skeptical, at best. We've endured three eyars of mediocrity and bad moves...

Did anyone draft Lundberg? If not, he should be invited to camp. Why he fell off everyone's radar is a mystery to me. Perhaps he's a wingnut, though all I read was about "character", like Girgensons...

Easy to type all this... A fan's right, I suppose. But Feaster's draft record at Tampa was poor. He may be the GM, but the GM makes the final call. The GM surrounds himself with scouts. Feaster feel short on both fronts in Tampa. Here's hoping we aren't the recipients of the same flawed strategies....

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#10 everton fc
June 23 2012, 12:31PM
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The Tampa Bay Lightning's Draft History. Note the Feaster years....

http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/draft/teams/dr00008385.html

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#11 Baalzamon
June 23 2012, 12:35PM
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I've had time to cool down, and the Jankowski pick isn't... COMPLETELY horrible.

I also like the Kulkin pick. Good 4th round guy.

Taking Gillies in round 3 is inexcusable.

Should have taken Ebert in round 7. Culkin went ahead of Griffith... why?

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#12 Baalzamon
June 23 2012, 12:36PM
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@Baalzamon

er... that should say I also liked the Kulak pick. Kulak.

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#13 Frank
June 23 2012, 01:04PM
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Monty Hall: Well Jay, you can have this new car, or you can take what's in this box.

Flames Fans: TAKE THE CAR! TAKE THE GOD DAMN CAR!!!

Jay Feaster: Well Monty, John Weisbrod and myself have thought long and hard about that box and all the potential that it may have...

Flames Fans:

Jay Feaster: ...We're going to take what's in the Box!

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#14 Franko J
June 23 2012, 01:10PM
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I would like to hear from fellow bloggers on FN:

In ranking, how does this draft stand in comparison to the past 4 drafts for the Flames? Who is a steal? Who is a bust? How would you grade this draft for the Flames?

As well, I would like to know who had the best draft class from 2012? For example, I went back to the 2007 draft and I was astonished to see that Calgary only have 1 player from their selections on this team. The rest of the picks are either traded or career AHLer's at best. In comparison I feel this draft might be heading the same way for Calgary five or six seasons from now.

Let me hear some opinions.

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#15 negrilcowboy
June 23 2012, 01:41PM
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i cant for the life of me figure the flames selections out. the more i look the less i see.

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#16 RexLibris
June 23 2012, 02:03PM
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@everton fc

I don't see Lundbergh listed.

Also Cody Corbett went undrafted. He is one I think the Oilers might invite, although they are so full on the reserve list I don't know that they'd have room.

If Corbett were to try out for the Red Wings as a walk-on he'd probably become the next Girardi, just to dig the knife in a little deeper for Oil fans.

I recall mentioning here in FN when Feaster was first hired that I was not enthusiastic about his drafting history, nor that of his previous trades. I know this is just one day and last year he was being hailed as a out-of-the-box thinking, but I do honestly believe that his manangement will not serve the Flames well in the long run. Were I a Flames fan (knock on wood) I would be tremendously nervous about Feaster being an architect to any potential deal sending away Iginla or Kiprusoff.

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#17 RexLibris
June 23 2012, 02:06PM
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@franko j

I think this Flames draft is probably in the lower half of the past four years, but by January that could change. 2011 will probably be the high water mark for another year.

As for which team did best, arguably the teams that had multiple first round selections are the ones to favour, but time will tell. Chicago looked to have some tremendous talent waiting in the wings with Skille, Beach, and so on, and it all basically fizzled out. What looks good today or even by next trade deadline may be worthless five years from now.

My money on who had the best draft, though, might be Buffalo or Pittsburgh, to answer your question.

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#18 everton fc
June 23 2012, 02:13PM
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If the Sabres first round picks pan out, which I am convinced they will... They might have just changed their franchise in a few years time.

Still can't figure out how Poulliot got picked before Maataa.

The Flames "should" inite Lundberg to camp. Ditto Corbett. But I know they won't.

This draft makes no sense for this team.

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#19 Colin.S
June 23 2012, 02:24PM
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I think people are pegging to much on Feaster, from all the interviews and chatter, this sounds more like it was Buttons/Wisebrods draft rather than Feasters. It was Button/Wisebrod that went and saw Jankowski and made the pitch for him, not Feaster.

As well to many people here are putting to much stock into "big" names. I remember there was that Kirill Kabanov kid that was suppose to be the next Malkin/Ovechikin and was just as good and more skilled and the Isles picked him up in the 3rd round I believed and everyone was calling that great value. I think now he's a barely above average prospect. Theres a lot of hype going for some of these kids and it's easy to get lost in the hype train, but gotta pull back and evaluate the draft as a whole and step back and look what Feaster and company tried to achieve.

I don't mind the draft as a whole, they took a lot of "smart" kids, guys that are in the right position, that can read the plays and can make the smart plays. They are also kids that have some really good upsides if they pan out. And I mean you go just go back a few years and say look at 05-07 and outside of backland, they made a lot more of the "safe" picks, and see how well that worked out.

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#20 suba steve
June 23 2012, 02:28PM
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Frank

"Monty Hall: Well Jay, you can have this new car, or you can take what's in this box"

Yeah, but, what was in the box was the car he wanted all along...plus that 2nd rounder he lusted after.

Franko J

"In ranking, how does this draft stand in comparison to the past 4 drafts for the Flames? Who is a steal? Who is a bust? How would you grade this draft for the Flames?"

Pretty tough to compare at this point. Draft results need to be judged after a period of years not hours. The Flames staff is happy with who they got and where. Even if they are a bunch of dopes (and I don't think they are) they have a better handle on the whole thing then most/if not all of us. Despite what I have read here over the last 24hr, Jankowski is a highly regarded prospect. Either he pans out, or he doesn't. I wouldn't be surprised if in 5 years time, at least one third of first rounders from this weekend do not have meaningful NHL careers. And that may include some of the "can't miss kids" the Flames passed up at pick 12. And it could include the kid they did take. Time will reveal all.

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#21 RexLibris
June 23 2012, 02:32PM
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@everton fc

Even if they did invite Corbett and Lundbergh to camp, they wouldn't likely have room to sign them. They are sitting at 45 contracts right now, according to capgeek, and seem likely to add at least three in free agency, if not four.

Keeping in mind that most teams like to leave one or two spots open at the start of the season for waiver pickups and trades, that essentially means that the Flames are chock-a-block full of underperforming hockey players and as-yet-to-be-determined prospects.

I will be very interested, once this draft has been evaluated, to see if the Flames either rise or fall in the organizational rankings for prospect depth. I suspect the latter.

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#22 Colin.S
June 23 2012, 02:37PM
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@Rex

I think this draft has the potential to make them fall in the organizational rankings for prospect depth in the short term, but if players really live up to potential I could see it rise quite a bit.

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#23 RexLibris
June 23 2012, 02:59PM
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@Colin S.

That is true, but that statement is also a great example of hedging your bets. ;-)

A lot of things would have to go right with this Flames draft class for the franchise to raise considerably in the rankings.

We shall see. Time can make genuises, and fools, of us all.

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#24 Baalzamon
June 23 2012, 03:08PM
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Buffalo had a good first 3 picks, but I think Montreal won the draft. Read their list, it's ridiculous. 4--FOUR--players who have appeared in 1st round mocks. 5 if you count Bozon (who I believe appeared in 1).

Galchenyuk, Collberg, Thrower, Bozon, Hudon. Vail isn't too bad either.

that is just ridiculous. I feel like the Sabres' draft takes a sharp drop after McCabe, though. But man, Girgensons AND Grigorenko.

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#25 FireOnIce
June 23 2012, 03:10PM
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@RexLibris

Concur re: Buffalo and Pittsburgh. Both teams made out like bandits.

Buffalo got Grigorenko and duped Feaster into trading the pick, and then got Girgenson.

Pittsburgh got a surprisingly large return for a player who was never going to re-sign there once he became a UFA. They got Pouliot with their pick, who could be the offensive D-man they need (despite it looking like he's more just a forward than anything). They got an actual 3rd line center for their team. And then they got Maatta.

Buffalo and Pittsburgh made out like bandits. Carolina came in a close third, but it seems to me like they're in a "win now" mode, as if Jordan Staal would put them over the edge. Calgary got hosed by Feaster. Oilers did alright (*chortle*).

Also, if Feaster wanted a second so bad, he should've gotten ours back from Buffalo and used it to give an offer sheet to Weber or something. Thus making JBo expendable and replacing him with someone who plays in the Western conference and won't go dry on offense.

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#26 Baalzamon
June 23 2012, 03:22PM
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@FireOnIce

"Also, if Feaster wanted a second so bad, he should've gotten ours back from Buffalo and used it to give an offer sheet to Weber or something."

ANY offersheet to Weber would have cost 4 1st rounders (2nd rounders irrelevant), otherwise the Preds would have matched. Frankly, I think the offer sheet route is stupid. always have.

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#27 everton fc
June 23 2012, 03:25PM
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@Rex

Tying all three threads back into one!

Grigensons and Grigorenko down the middle... if they pan out.. Incredible.

Montreal also did well. Real well. as did the Pens, though I'd rate the Habs draft right upthere w/the Pens.

I see no one saying the Flames did well. Nor do you read anywhere that the Flames were "crafty". Not a sentence... A line... Nor a word...

I'd say the Oilers getting Zharkov is a bit of a steal. The Flames may think they stole Jankowski... And maybe he turns out a stud... But the risk... The competition he is currently facing...

Feaster certainly loves to live on the edge!

As for this being Wesibrod's draft - clearly. But Feaster's the GM. He has some say. He trusts his people...

I don't. That simple.

Somehat off topic - I laughed when the Caps took Wilson as their second in the 1st. Very "McPhee". I bet Wilson carves himself a path into the NHL. McPhee did very well, I think. Poaching Ribiero was a decent move.

(By the way, Rex - pulled for the Oilers vs. the Canes back in the Cup final. We had to move from Calgary to Sherwood Park at the time - back in Calgary now. Listened to 1260 daily. Good stuff. Pulled for the Oilers, but found Ward, the local boy from the Park, a real decent guy to root for, as well!)

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#28 Austin
June 23 2012, 03:45PM
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Leafs traded Schenn to the Flyers for Van Riemsdyk. WHAT A STEAL FOR THE LEAFS!!!! If Schenn is worth that much, how much is Bouwmeester worth??? I don't even care if we get a roster player back, give him to Minnesota or some middle of the pack teamm and get their first round pick, so next year when we barely miss the playoffs, we'll get two first round picks!!!

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#29 Austin
June 23 2012, 03:46PM
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Unless that encourages Feaster to skip out on a Teravainen and a Maatta next year and take two "mark jankowskis"

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#30 RKD
June 23 2012, 03:54PM
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Just read the Toronto Maple Leafs trade Luke Schenn to the Philadelphia Flyers for James Van Reimsdyk.

I would say the Leafs win this trade, I've watched Schenn a lot on HNIC and he's worse than Chris Butler!

I guess this means Philly is out of the Jay-Bo sweepstakes, teams want Jay-Bo and his 30 minutes but not at that cap hit.

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#31 BurningSensation
June 23 2012, 03:58PM
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Frank wrote:

Monty Hall: Well Jay, you can have this new car, or you can take what's in this box.

Flames Fans: TAKE THE CAR! TAKE THE GOD DAMN CAR!!!

Jay Feaster: Well Monty, John Weisbrod and myself have thought long and hard about that box and all the potential that it may have...

Flames Fans:

Jay Feaster: ...We're going to take what's in the Box!

I should point out that the best strategy for beating Monty Hall is to change your pick of doors after Monty reveals that one of them is empty.

Feaster swapped one chance for a hit for two chances, and still got the guy he wanted. That math should make sense everywhere.

As easy as it is to play armchair scout these days, it's worth remembering that Feaster is working with pros whose only job is to project these kids using the best and most advanced scouting tools available.

The proof will be in the pudding, but I'm betting Jankowski has a greater impact for the Flames than Maata will for the Pens.

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#32 Kevin R
June 23 2012, 04:04PM
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The only ones that think Flames did great at the draft are the Flames management. I guess what else can they say, we screwed up. I wonder where Jankowski fit on the list, I think 3-4 players became available to us that there is no way Flames had to have considered ranked behind Jankowski. There is not intellectual honesty happening here. Knowing(maybe not saying it but knowing it) this team needs to rebuild, why didnt Feaster go after another 1st rounder, knowing his main guy will be available in the early to mid 20's?

This draft just telegraphed the thinking of this new regime, same ole #@&%, different pile & a little different texture. A direction of mediocrity is where we are headed for the 2012-13 season. Oh goody, we get to read the same frustrated posts for another year. Maybe I'll pull a Thomas & take next year off of Hockey. Maybe we'll get lucky & there will be a lockout next year.

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#33 Colin.S
June 23 2012, 04:06PM
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@Rex, not "a lot" just 2 or even 3 guys have to go right for this draft class to be a sucess, if you can have a success rate of 30% or better on your picks that make it to the NHL thats not bad at all. Jankowski has great potential, we'll see if its NHL potential. The second rounder I think is an easy bet to make the NHL, even if just a 3rd pairing guy, but he has the entire tool chest to make it work.

There are a lot of guys that have potential at this point in the year and teams are always "winners". I bet Chicago felt like a winner getting Cam Baker at #3 in 2004, but look where he is now ;P.

I agree with everyone in this post, Montreal and Buffalo are the obvious winners of this draft today, however lets wait 5-6 years to see what a re-drafting would be like.

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#34 SmellOfVictory
June 23 2012, 04:13PM
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everton fc wrote:

The Tampa Bay Lightning's Draft History. Note the Feaster years....

http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/draft/teams/dr00008385.html

Feaster's probably the most hands-off GM in the league. He recognizes the fact that he doesn't have a hockey background, so I'm more willing to blame his scouts for draft-related failings than I would be for any of the other GMs (Sutter, for example, was basically the polar opposite of Feaster).

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#35 suba steve
June 23 2012, 04:38PM
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Agreed. Have you noticed he has quite clearly hung the Jankowski pick almost entirely on Weisbroad (and to a lesser extent on Button). Mentioned that this was JW's pick about 100 times in various interviews. Hopefully this means that JW gets a whole lot of credit for such a shrewd pick (and not fired) in about 3-4 years time. I'm cautiously optimistic.

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#36 RexLibris
June 23 2012, 05:23PM
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@Colin S.

I meant that each prospect sounds like they will have to have more than a few breaks go their way, not that the Flames only need one or two to produce.

Jankowski will have to capitalize on his recent production and continue to develop. He will also have to make the jump to tougher competition. He's younger than most in his draft class which means he may have an as-yet unrealized ceiling, but it was a very risky move, and arguably a poor bet for a team that just needs to bring in talent, not try to outsmart every other GM.

Guys like Barker and Stefan are those anomalies that are often recited like stories of the bogeyman to out fear in the hearts of fans. There were more than a few scouts who, and I'm not just talking in 20/20 hindsight, thought that Barker had all the tools but none of the heart and drive.

And some teams just make really stupid decisions.

Hindsight allows us all to seem like genuises, but I think even the most optimistic Flames fan would say that Feaster and Weisbrod reached down to take Jankowski.

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#37 BurningSensation
June 23 2012, 05:29PM
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Kevin R wrote:

The only ones that think Flames did great at the draft are the Flames management. I guess what else can they say, we screwed up. I wonder where Jankowski fit on the list, I think 3-4 players became available to us that there is no way Flames had to have considered ranked behind Jankowski. There is not intellectual honesty happening here. Knowing(maybe not saying it but knowing it) this team needs to rebuild, why didnt Feaster go after another 1st rounder, knowing his main guy will be available in the early to mid 20's?

This draft just telegraphed the thinking of this new regime, same ole #@&%, different pile & a little different texture. A direction of mediocrity is where we are headed for the 2012-13 season. Oh goody, we get to read the same frustrated posts for another year. Maybe I'll pull a Thomas & take next year off of Hockey. Maybe we'll get lucky & there will be a lockout next year.

Well I think what Feaster did was awesome, and I'm still waiting for my invitation to join Flames mgt.

This is CLEARLY a new direction for the team. No more lumbering coke-machines who can't finish, but instead a focus on landing prospects with high ceilings.

If you uave to take some time away from complaining about the Flames, I'm ok with that.

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#38 RexLibris
June 23 2012, 05:33PM
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@everton fc

Fine, if you want to make this easy... ;-)

Yeah, that Montreal middle could be some kind of fun. (you meant Galchenyuk, I believe, but I get where you are going there)

Yeah, I have noticed a glaring lack of anything about the Flames at the draft. Partially this is because of Toronto's trades, but I think to some extent the national press is holding off (if you can't say something nice...)

re: Jankowski - It says a lot that Oiler fans reacted to the trade down with a shudder and the ghost of M.A. Pouliot dancing in their heads. Maybe not, not all history is reruns, but were I a Flames fan I would be very, very upset about the drafting and, by extension, overall management of my team.

And Feaster hired Weisbrod. GMs let their scouts run the draft, for the most part, but very few are totally hands off. This screams Feaster, it is just that Weisbrod and Feaster think so much alike that I think it was Weisbrod's pick, and Feaster would have done the same.

Yeah, I really don't know what the Capitals are doing anymore. They give up Eakin and replace him with Wilson? You have character issues and are losing a troublesome player in Semin so you replace him with Ribeiro? I'm not sure what they were drinking at that table. Ribeiro is talented, but he's not a favourable character to have in the dressing room and even the refs are tuned out to him. Bad move.

That Canes final was decent. Seeing Weight win a Cup, even if he was a HS, was rewarding. Good man, good player. The Oilers ownership was out to lunch thinking they didn't have to rebuild after half the team vacated in free agency and trades.

As a heads up, out of touch ownership will feature prominently when I write about the Oilers' and Flames' rebuilds.

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#39 Baalzamon
June 23 2012, 05:36PM
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it certainly seems like they're going to be patient with Jankowski. Next year he goes to the USHL, which has made strides in recent years to becoming a league almost as good as the CHL (with, actually, more defensive coverage). The year after that, he goes to NCAA, which is a great league. Older, bigger, more skilled players at each step.

slowly but surely... I really hope this kid pans out, and not just because I'm a Flames fan (though that is an important factor, obviously).

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#40 BurningSensation
June 23 2012, 05:40PM
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@RexLibris

@Rex Libris:"...but it was a very risky move, and arguably a poor bet for a team that just needs to bring in talent, not try to outsmart every other GM."

Risky? How so? He covered his bet by land g a 2nd pick for his scouting staff a that alone lowers the risk.

Yes his job is to bring in talent, and he did so. He could have taken Brendan Gaunce, a big, hardworking pivot with 3rd line upside. Sutter would have lived him. Instead they dropped down and selected a guy with much, much higher skill level, a guy his own scouts loved, and he got an extra pick to do it.

That isn't 'risky', that's prudent risk mgt.

Did they go 'off the board'? Sure. But I will bet they had good intel Jankowski wasn't going to be there in the late 2nd (or even get out of the 1st).

Was Hampus Lindholm s 'reach'? More than Jankowski is IMO, and Anaheim didn't finesse an extra pick out of their choice.

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#41 Colin.S
June 23 2012, 05:55PM
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@Rex, but why should we be upset by the drafting, time will tell, but right now I'm very happy with the drafting, it's about 10 spots to high, he was ranked in the 40-45 range and had we got him at 30 something not many people who have thought we over reached, however a lot of teams want to make sure they have their guy. I mean the Lightning taking KoekKoek at 10 is almost as big or bigger reach than the Flames taking Jankowski at 21 ranther than 40. Then theres the Oilers taking a guy that could probably be had in the third round or even later that they took at 31 that was more than just reaching, thats cutting off you other arm raching.

The Flames reached, however if you have "your guy" and you can't find another partner to trade down or you think that waiting till your next pick the guy will be gone, you take your guy. The flames could have taken Girgensons and he could have been a nice 2nd maybe 3rd line center if he lives up to his potential, or take Teravainen and who knows he could have pulled an Erixon on us. Doesn't matter some times who you take, it sometimes just doesn't work. However with this guy the reward for taking the risk, is you may end up with a guy who tops out at 6'4"/6'5" and 200 pounds or so, who has all world, top line center skill, he may not make it to the NHL till he is 22 or 23, but if the Flames really did their job and he lives up to the potential they see, they may have found that #1 center, to bad Iggy will be retired by then.

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#42 Franko J
June 23 2012, 06:55PM
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The one thing I would like to know who was actually the real target for the Flames in round 1 ? Obviously Jankowski must have been # 2 or # 3 choice on their draft board. I know it is impossible to find out, but I would like to see Calgary's pick list and see how close they actually came to their original selections. I think that would be most intriguing indeed.

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#43 Emir
June 23 2012, 08:11PM
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Im in that boat too, good post Colin.

I'm not going to sit here and say we did amazing. Im not going to say we did bad. This draft is one we will wait and see and go from there. No drafts are sure things good or bad.

I think as flames fans we are becoming very scared of anything that doesn't fit the norm. If our team doesn't do it the way Pierre McGuire or Doug Maclean says to do it we get scared. Well newsflash. If these guys were that good in the league, they would work in the NHL not trying to break a story.

We have all say back and demanded change all season long. Here it is. We may not like it, but we got change.

Oh and BTW, anybody who doesnt like it that Feaster isnt so involved should think about it. We all know he can't judge hockey talent effectively, at least he knows it as well. Only thing I hate is he says things like "looking back on this draft 10 years from now we have the best player in Jankowski." Feasters guarantee is worthless based off of his previous garauntees. Thats the only thing about this pick I hate.

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#44 BurningSensation
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@Emir:"" Feasters guarantee is worthless based off of his previous garauntees. Thats the only thing about this pick I hate."

Totally agree. I like the process, the strategy and the actual picks. I HATE the PR job.

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#45 Ryan Pike
June 23 2012, 08:37PM
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The Flames are very, very confident in their scouting and their player development right now.

Their goal was to get players that they could teach. But I think they value hockey sense above all else because you can't teach it.

As for the draft as a whole, I really like the picks that got the Flames Coda Gordon and Brett Kulak. Jon Gillies is a Big Tall Goalie, but he'll develop. He's got four years potentially in a very good conference in the NCAA. He'll see a LOT of John Gaudreau and Bill Arnold next year.

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@Franko J;"The one thing I would like to know who was actually the real target for the Flames in round 1 ?"

Me too. My suspicion is they would have creamed themselves to get Grigerenko, but there is no way to know. It's a deeply weird draft year with the volume of defensemen taken, not to mention the number of risers/sliders.

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#47 Colin.S
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Jankowski was their guy, he was #1, I think other than Yakupov, he was the only guy whose jersey had a sewn on name plate(most others use velcro cause their guy might be taken). If you come with an already made jersey for the kid and not a generic with a velcro'd name plate, that kid was their #1 choice, because they had guys like Ceci, Teravainen and Girgensens that were available at 14 and those guys could have all gone top 10.

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#48 I'm Just Sayin'
June 23 2012, 09:30PM
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@Franko J;"The one thing I would like to know who was actually the real target for the Flames in round 1 ?"

Me too. My suspicion is they would have creamed themselves to get Grigerenko, but there is no way to know. It's a deeply weird draft year with the volume of defensemen taken, not to mention the number of risers/sliders.

They came to the draft with Jankowski's name SEWN on the jersey. They came, they saw, they got their man. If you don't like it cheer for someone else and give them your negative vibe.

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#49 If Only HIs Name Was Olli Postandin
June 23 2012, 10:09PM
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Where the hell did all this hype for Girgensons come from???? Man, I guess in a weak draft some people will talk up third line grinders. A lot of scouts have questioned his ability to put up offense at the NHL level. And remember folks, he plays in the USHL, a gentlemans' league if there ever was one. A tough, gritty guy in that league is an average Joe in the CHL. Yes, there is a very, very small chance he may turn into Ryan Getzlaf, but more likely he will just be a third-line center, albeit a good one.

We already got a guy like him in Arnold and a better player, imo, in Reinhart. We need to take risks on top line talent, not bottom six forwards, who may play on the second line if everything goes well. (I am a bit upset over Teravainen. Kid sounds like another Baertshi)

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#50 nolan moore
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Hey buying, do u work for the Flames? Gotta say based on the question "did the Flames improve this weekend?" No. This failing grade

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