Five things: And now we come to this

Ryan Lambert
July 12 2012 07:45AM

1. The Backlund deal

As you all know I have been hyper-critical of the Flames' contract decisions in this offseason — Wideman, enough said — and while I would love to continue to be outraged over this kind of stuff, frankly, the Backlund deal is very, very good.

We've all been expecting a breakout season for the kid and you have to think that at some point, it's going to come. The reason why: His career shooting percentage is in the toilet. He had a very, very bad season shooting last year. He took 85 shots in just 41 games, not a bad number. Only four of them went in. A shooting percentage of 4.7. Which is bad. And almost as bad as his career shooting percentage of just 5.4.

At some point, logically, the pucks have to start going into the net for this kid. Since the 2000-01 season, just three players have had three seasons with shooting percentages of less than 6 percent, and they're Jody Shelley, Craig Adams and Sami Pahlsson. Theoretically, at least, Backlund is a better offensive player than them, and he certainly has a tendency to drive possession.

The other issue, obviously, is whether he can stay healthy. He sure hasn't done it yet in his career, and it would be nice to see him actually succeed at it.

But mainly, the reason I'm glad it's a one-year deal for real short money is that it gives him something to prove. Guys playing for a contract generally perform pretty well (though the obvious counterargument is, y'know, last year with him), and all indications are that he's very much viewing this as a "Show Me" type year. That could translate to big things. Or, I guess, it could translate to him being shipped to the first team looking for a young reclamation project.

2. Some development camp stuff

I think something that's often overlooked about development camp is that while it's a great chance to teams to get a look at kids they've drafted, and assess some free agents that have caught their scouts' eyes over the years, it's also important in helping to fill out rosters for AHL squads and assess how close older prospects are to being a legitimate professional hockey player.

This was addressed in a Calgary Herald piece earlier this week, but it featured a quote that I didn't exactly find inspiring.

"There are some of the younger guys out there, the (John) Gaudreaus, for example, whose spatial awareness on the ice and skill level is ahead of some of the guys that have been in Abbotsford."

The person who said that would know; it was Troy Ward, who coached Abbotsford and all that. I like Johnny Gaudreau as a hockey player. I saw him probably a dozen times this season. He is not close to being pro-ready, even if he does have some above-average-for-his-age understanding of the way all the moving pieces on the ice fit together. It's not that he's too small and too easily bumped off the puck by adults, it's that he isn't where you'd like him to be in most aspects of his game. And if he's better than what the team has in Abbotsford in that regard, well, that's bad.

The good news, I guess, is that the reports here at FlamesNation indicate this is perhaps the best group of prospects the Flames have had at development camp in a long time, and also who cares if the AHL team is any good? Granted, this is damning the team with faint praise, but they've really improved their crop of young players over the past two years. 

3. CBA talks and what they mean

I know we're all supposed to live in fear that there will be another work stoppage but the closer we get to the CBA expiring, the more I doubt that such a thing would happen. Not that this is based on anything or I've talked to anyone who would even remotely know what goes on in the negotiations but the facts are pretty simple, in my estimation.

First, the league is making money like it never has before and the salary cap has skyrocketed, meaning everyone has benefited. Maybe not as much as they could have, in either side's view, but the simple fact is that no one is hurting like they were in 2004.

Second, can you imagine this league going through another work stoppage of any length at all? It just seems really stupid given all the goodwill it's engendered with fans in the last six years.

Third, you're starting to hear more and more rumblings of the Players' Association signing off on extending the current salary cap another year. That seems like a deal that would be palatable to both sides. Say what you want about Gary Bettman, but one thing he definitely is not is an idiot. He wouldn't let the owners lock out the players again so soon after the last stoppage, even if he technically works for them.

I have tickets to go see Teemu Selanne play his last game ever in Boston in late October, and am fully expecting to be there, crying my stupid eyes out that I'll never my favorite player again.

4. Coyotes and a dispersal draft?

This was a really great thing I read last week: The league might just fold the Coyotes instead of letting them be moved who-knows-where, and would then pass around its players in a dispersal draft. Oh man would that ever be great. Not that Calgary would be picking even in the top-10 (sound familiar?!) but it would be a really great and exciting way to liven up late August.

So, just for fun, let's run think about what your theoretical draft board would look like based solely on Best Player Available, and discounting guys the Coyotes don't have under contract. Obviously guys like Oliver Ekman-Larsson and Keith Yandle go 1-2, but who do you think would be around at 14? Seems to me the Coyotes prospect pool is pretty deep when you get to defensemen, no?

5. Where does Calgary stand?

So I think we can all agree that maybe every team in the Northwest has improved itself so far this summer, apart from Vancouver (which I consider to have largely stayed the same, or maybe improved slightly). But let's just spitball something: Where do the Flames finish?

Obviously Vancouver is the team to beat, given the chasm between it and second-place Calgary. But I have to think the Flames haven't improved enough to hold off Colorado for the second-place spot, and the Wild should now be right there as well. Edmonton still has a long way to go, but it won't quite be a pushover any more either.

Apart from Vancouver as the consensus No.1, how do you see the division shaping up?

(For reference, I have it Vancouver, Colorado, Minnesota, Calgary, Edmonton).

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#1 jeremywilhelm
July 12 2012, 12:18PM
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Did the Sharks really get better though? I bet they miss the playoffs this next year.

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#2 SmellOfVictory
July 12 2012, 12:42PM
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Suter/Parise actually want to be there, and Wisnewski sucks. Should be vastly different.

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#3 Parallex
July 12 2012, 12:57PM
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@Smellofvictory

Hence why it will be better. Unlike Columbas I think Suter/Parise actually do bump the wild into the NHL's WC middle-class... but I see to many people practically pre-engraving the cup. The Wild still aren't good, they're just no longer bad.

You have to admit though the reaction is earily similer.

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#4 McRib
July 12 2012, 01:24PM
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1. Los Angeles 2. St. Louis 3. Vancouver 4. Chicago 5. Minnesota 6. Calgary 7. Detroit 8. San Jose 9. Colorado 10. Nashville 11. Edmonton 12. Anaheim 13. Dallas 14. Phoenix 15. Columbus

The NW may very well be the toughest division in the West.

Considering that we finished 5 points out and Phoenix, Nashville, Detroit & Dallas all taking big steps back imo, the Flames improved offense plus Kipper they will finish comfortably in playoffs.

No way does Edmonton make the playoffs, when Ladislav Smid is in your Top pair you just aren't going to be good. You can have the best PP in the league it's still not going to change anything

Think Dallas is going to have a horrible year. Derek Roy is already having surgery and Jagr played on an unbelievable line last he is done.Losing Ott / Ribeiro huge losses, Riberio was why the Flames lost three times to Dallas last year. Morrow is coming off injury or will be traded.

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#5 McRib
July 12 2012, 01:39PM
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I can't believe so many people are defending Jokinen, saying he is a big loss, Hahah.

Not only did he absolutly suck the life out of the dressing room most nights but his sporadic play looked painful to play with, I think Glencross has a much better season with one of the quick players we have added who will be able to keep up with him (Hudler, Baertschi, Cervenka).

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#6 FireOnIce
July 12 2012, 08:20AM
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1. Backlund seems a lot like Michael Frolik to me. They were both good young players with potential 2nd line upside who just can't seem to connect in the NHL. Both have horrific shooting percentages - Backs = 4.7% this year in 41 games and Frolik 4.3% this year in 63, both good for 537th and up in the NHL.

Whatever underdemon they sold their soul to really screwed them on the deal.

2. Good to hear our prospects are some of the best in recent memory. Cultivating a winning culture in the lower league affiliates is definitely a positive thing, especially if you want some of these players to eventually be in the NHL. Build on the Calder run and go deeper in the playoffs next season.

3. If there's a lockout, I'm probably going to become a baseball fan. Terrible times indeed.

4. I bet the dispersal draft would have a similar setup to the draft just after the 04-05 lockout. Teams who have not picked in the top 10 or whatever in the last couple years get 4 balls, teams in the 10-20 get 3, and so on. Somehow, the Flames would end up with the last pick (and take someone like Paul Bissonnette), Edmonton would go first, and Pittsburgh would go second.

5. My standings would be about the same, maybe swap the Flames and Wild. Signing Parise and Suter is great, they'll certainly have some awesome potential for high scoring affairs and stalwart defensive play, but that doesn't necessarily mean it will happen.

The first time NJ tried Parise-Zajac-Kovalchuk, it was a horrible disaster.Who's to say Parise-Koivu-Heatley is going to be any better? Koivu hasn't played a full season in a while and Heatley is on the decline. Backstrom and Harding aren't in the best of condition either, with both having suffered multiple major injuries.

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#7 Michael
July 12 2012, 08:23AM
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Backlund - time for the kid to step up and prove himself. The Flames have question marks down the middle, another perfect opportunity for Backlund. Likely his last chance

Development camp - interesting to see how this pan outs. The Flames need to be more aggressive at prunning contracts for kids not developing or with limited upside.

CBA - Both the players and owners would be crazy to push things to a stoppage. Revenue and salaries are up, times are good, make a deal.

Coyotes - folding them almost makes sense, then have an expansion team (and expansion fee's) in the City you want.

Calgary - Calgary has improved by adding another top 4 d men (wideman), stayed the same in resigning some of our free agents and Hudler replaces Jokinens points. We are potentially pretty weak down the middle, Cervenka and Backlund need to work out.

Vancouver, Minny. Colorado, Edmonton, Calgary.

Hate to say it, but sooner or later Edmonton has to break out of the pack.

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#8 Vintage Flame
July 12 2012, 08:31AM
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Let's not forget about David Hale...

327 GP
4 goals 25 Assists
SH% = 2.0%

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#9 Kent Wilson
July 12 2012, 08:35AM
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Guys of value on the Coyotes:

Vrbata Hanzal OEL Rundblad Michalek Boedker Vermette Moss ;) Korpikoski

And that's about it.

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#10 jeremywilhelm
July 12 2012, 08:38AM
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I am really hoping Backlund breaks out. I will be mighty pissed if he is traded.

I think it will shake out: Van, CGY, Min, Col, Ed

Min got better, but not much, Colorado still sucks and Edmonton may score goals, but thats it, Schultz is gonna bust!

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#11 Kent Wilson
July 12 2012, 08:47AM
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@jeremywilhelm

COL was a better possession team than Calgary last year by a bit. Unfortunately for them their goaltending was poor to start the year and Duchene had a down year.

They added Parenteau, kept Downie and Duchene should rebound. Landeskog and O'Reilly are monsters at moving the puck forward. They also added Zanon on the back-end. And they still have about $17M (!!) in cap space.

I figure they'll pass the Flames this year. MIN and CGY will be battling for that final spot probably while Edmonton should still be last, but nearly the push over they were the last few years.

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#12 Steve
July 12 2012, 08:55AM
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I have to agree Colorado should step up. Goaltending can be the great equalizer however, and the Flames could easily get bounce back seasons from Comeau and Backlund, they may be adding some offense in Cervenka, Baertschi and Wideman, not to mention a potential huge difference in shootout prowess - possibly a rebound year in that department as well. All could add up to a significant number of points in the standings.

Then again a down year from Kipper and it's the basement. I really think we need to get a real backup. And this time no excuses. 60 games for Kipper.

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#13 Baalzamon
July 12 2012, 09:01AM
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RE: point 2, you realize "some of the guys we had in Abbotsford" likely means the likes of Raitis Ivanans and Pierre-Luc Letourneau-Leblond, right? Those guys have all the puck sense of a pair of marshmallows. I would be disappointed if Ward thought Gaudreau's puck sense had a ways to go to equal those two pylons.

@FireOnIce

you realize, too, that Heatley is terrible, right? Of course, he might finally be playing with a superstar again and leeching points off him (Parise).

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#14 Kent Wilson
July 12 2012, 09:04AM
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@Steve

Yup. If Kipper is mortal, it could be a death blow for Calgary.

The Flames could be healthier this year, although Glencross is unlikely to repeat his point totals and Jokinen is gone. If Jarome degrades any further, the first line will be a disaster in terms of possession/goal differential as well.

Flames have as many questions as check marks heading into the season. Everything has to break right in order for them to contend for a playoff spot I'd say.

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#15 SmellOfVictory
July 12 2012, 09:26AM
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Flames might no be too bad off if they held a disperal draft with a lottery similar to the lockout draft. Missing the playoffs 3x in a row has to have some benefit.

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#16 jeremywilhelm
July 12 2012, 09:56AM
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There are honestly too many factors with the Flames this year for me to accurately predict where they might be (Comeau and Backlund have something to prove, Baertschi on the team, Iginla getting old, Kipper not being all that great anymore, Widemans adventures in the Dzone, Brodie might take a step forward). Hartley may somehow be able to squeeze every drop out of the team and get them into 2nd in the NW. But if they are like they were last year, they will probably be third in the NW.

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#17 Stevel
July 12 2012, 09:57AM
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Agreed, Glencross almost certainly repeat his shooting %, but I hope he can improve overall, and if he stays healthy, could have similar stats. Fewer idiotic penalties and he makes himself a much more valuable player. Who knows what effect Hartley will have? I would really like to see some more youth in the Flames lineup - see if we can shed that lethargic style that seemed to become the norm for many games last year. I'm going to choose to remain optimistic, just because it makes it more interesting!

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#18 jeremywilhelm
July 12 2012, 09:59AM
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Horak might be able to fill a very nice 3rd line center role. I mean, the kid was fed to the wolves last season, he knows what to expect. Hesketh said the kids fitness levels have improved immensely from last season.

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#19 Ravage
July 12 2012, 10:03AM
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Over the week-end, The Score put up the odds for the Canadian teams and their chances of winning the Stanley Cup. Calgary came in last at 55-1.

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#20 schevvy
July 12 2012, 10:09AM
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Teams that are for sure better than Calgary:

Vancouver, Los Angeles, Chicago, St. Louis, San Jose

Teams that will be fighting for spots 6-8:

Detroit, Nashville, Colorado, Calgary, Minnesota, Dallas, Edmonton, Anaheim

Out of those 8 teams listed battling for 6-8, 2 got worse (Detroit and Nashville), 3 for sure are better (Colorado, Minnesota, Edmonton), and 3 remained somewhat similar (Calgary, Dallas, Anaheim)

The way I see it: Calgary is probably destined for another 9th/10th place finish. Are they better than 5 of the 8 teams fighting for the final 3 spots? Probably not. There's gonna be a lot of luck, Kipper becoming a God and Iggy turning into Iggy circa 03-04 if this team is a playoff team.

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#21 Camo
July 12 2012, 10:13AM
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From a league perspective why does it make more sense to fold the Coyotes and then grant an expansion team rather than just relocate the franchise?

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#22 Baalzamon
July 12 2012, 10:43AM
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@Camo

either I'm mis-reading your comment, or you mis-read the article. The proposed plan is for the Coyotes to be folded (as in, destroyed) and their assets spread among the league in a dispersal draft. Afterward there would be 29 teams. Nothing about an expansion team in there that I can see..

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#23 RexLibris
July 12 2012, 11:45AM
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The idea is that you fold the Coyotes in order to get away from all the legal issues and then do an expansion so that the league, and by extension the teams that have been supporting the Coyotes, can recoup something in the range of $300 million in expansion fees, split 29 ways with a cut to the NHL.

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#24 Parallex
July 12 2012, 11:54AM
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@Ravage

Really? The score thinks we have less of a chance the Montreal, Toronto, Edmonton, & Winnipeg? Remind me to never watch the score... Not that we're worldbeaters or anything but we have a better shot then those four I recken. I mean c'mon three of those teams were bottom 5 last year.

@Kent

Re: Glencross: Actually I figure he's a good bet to repeat (or at least be close to) his point totals... not his shooting percentage but he did miss 15 games last year and has had 40+ points three out of the last four years.

Re: Guys of value on the Coyotes: No Gormley? Okey I guess he's not techniaclly "on" the Coyotes but still.

@schevvy Re: Teams that will be fighting for spots 6-8: I think you can add Phoenix to that list pending moves in the rest of the offseason. I mean losing Doan, Whitney, Langkow has to hurt and banking on Mike Smith to maintain a .930 sv% seems like a bad bet to me. I also wouldn't really say that Calgary and Dallas are going to be somewhat similar to last year... a lot of turnover in both orgs relative to season start last year. YMMV

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You have to figure that the Flames will be healthier next year and I believe they've improved their depth at all positions. I figure the division ends up Vancouver, Calgary, Minni, Colorado, Edmonton.

The Wild are the darlings right now because of Suter/Parise but c'mon... however good they are those two guys do not make them 15 points better.

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#25 RexLibris
July 12 2012, 11:57AM
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With regards to the NW division at the end of the season, it feels like a bit of a fool's errand trying to divine this sort of thing in July.

That being said, in ranking the teams based on past performance, present-day rosters, potential for either improvement or decline, and so on, I would probably give the division lead to Vancouver (yep, stepping out on a limb here). Then I would put Colorado and Minnesota as the 2nd and 3rd teams, with either one being in the lead there. Colorado has enough pieces, in spite of their management's moves, to perform well. Calgary and Edmonton may finish more closely this year than many would think.

I suspect that Edmonton will vastly outperform during some games. And then look like a 30th place team in some others. Inconsistency will likely be one of the biggest hurdles for this group.

Calgary, on the other hand, I expect to be more consistent, but likely with fewer high-points, and by extension fewer low-points, than Edmonton.

Basically, I suspect that Calgary's season will look like the rise and fall of a GIC, while Edmonton's look like volatile energy sector stocks.

The Flames might fare better simply because they will have an easier learning curve as a team. But this may be the last season where there can even be a debate about guaranteeing Flames ascendancy in Alberta.

At least things appear to be getting interesting in this province again.

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#26 RexLibris
July 12 2012, 11:59AM
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@Parallex

Just out of curiosity, did watching the Parise/Suter unveiling this year seem at all familiar to the Carter/Wisniewski introduction last summer?

Hopefully the Wild have a better fate. The fans there are pretty supportive and it is a good hockey market.

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#27 Parallex
July 12 2012, 12:32PM
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@RexLibris

Yup. I thought the exact same thing. Take all the press from Carter/Wisniewski/Columbas this time last year and change the names to Parise/Suter/Minnesota and I think you'd have a hard time telling the difference. That being said I do think it will work out better for the Wild then it did for the Jackets... not as well as the punditocracy or the Wild's fans are talking/dreaming of right now but better.

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#28 Derzie
July 12 2012, 04:52PM
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Wacky comments on here today. All over the place. My 2 cents:

Backlund - Take the expectations away and let him be what he is. A middling NHLer

Development camp - loving the new blood. It's a start.

CBA - Greedy SOBs one and all

Coyotes - I'd love a contraction of 4 teams. Better talent pool. Also while their at it, lower the Cap floor (reasonable parity rather than 2 pts separating 3rd and 12th.

Calgary - The salaries are of no concern to me. I like Wideman and Hudler as players. I'm not their accountant so I can't comment on the value, but they are better. We have a big gap at center that needs filling and we need a plan for goaltending.

Vancouver, Colorado, Edmonton, Minnesota, Calgary

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#29 Tommynotsohuge
July 12 2012, 05:08PM
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I am going a little off path here, but does anyone know if Ramo will be out here for the real camp? I've heard he will be in the KHL next season, but do you guys think he could get out of that contract if the backup spot was given to him?

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#30 Baalzamon
July 12 2012, 06:39PM
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no. Nor should he. He signed a contract for multiple years with no out-clause. There's one year left. Let him finish the contract. If he just leaves, is he any better than Radulov?

besides, with Karlsson signed for another year and Irving getting impatient, there's no need to exacerbate the situation further by adding a KHL star to the mix before time. Next year, however..

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#31 FireOnIce
July 12 2012, 07:10PM
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@Baalzamon

Ramo has one major difference from Radulov: he's Finnish, not Russian. They tend to stick around. Maybe he'd bolt, but it'd be to another team in the NHL if anything.

Looking at a player like Teemu Selanne, I question why people say that Jarome is getting old and done for. Selanne has scored 25+ goals the last few seasons and is now 40. If Jarome can pot 25 per season for 5 more seasons on a contract like Selanne, that'd be great. Take the pressure off him, like they did for Selanne in Anaheim, and let him flourish.

Iginla's O-zone starts should be at LEAST 60% in the coming season(s). Hopefully Hartley will figure it out that Iginla's line should be on the ice when the other team ices the puck and can't change. Get someone who can win a faceoff, and give it to Iginla.

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#32 Baalzamon
July 12 2012, 08:27PM
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@FireOnIce

"Ramo has one major difference from Radulov: he's Finnish, not Russian. They tend to stick around. Maybe he'd bolt, but it'd be to another team in the NHL if anything."

... this statement makes no sense. I was saying that if Ramo skips out on his commitment in Russia doesn't that make him as bad as Radulov--as in, he made a commitment to play for Omsk; he has a year left on the contract with no out-clause; he shouldn't walk away from that commitment to come to the Flames(THE FLAMES) early.

Somehow, you took that to mean I thought he'd leave the Flames to go to Russia? What?

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#33 Jeff Lebowski
July 12 2012, 10:30PM
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Backlund and Pahlsson seem like a very good comparison. I think that's what Backlund may end up being. I hope not but at this level he doesn't bury chances nor does he really shoot hard. He loves his little backhand move but when has he shown he can snipe a rocket to the top shelf?

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#34 Captain Ron
July 13 2012, 01:26AM
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1. St Louis 2. Los Angeles 3. Vancouver 4. Chicago 5. Calgary 6. San Jose 7. Minnesota 8. Colorado

I say this assuming our run of bad luck with injuries is over, Kipper is at least as good as last year, our backup goalie goes at least .500, and Backlund, Comeau have decent seasons. I am probably a little bit optimistic however a good number of experienced coaches have successful first seasons with their new teams. I also think we will see a better JBO under Hartley. Overall the offense should be better especially IF Cervenka shows he can play, and Baertschi has a good rookie season. One more quality center who can win some faceoffs would also be cause for celebration. I think this is the year that Detroit finally misses the playoffs and finishes 9th or 10th.

Lots of ifs and buts I know

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#35 Kurt
July 13 2012, 09:57AM
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Man do some people have rose coloured glasses.... People have the Flames finishing 6th? Really. And still bashing the Oilers. Wow. I mean the Oilers will probably suck for parts of the year but we really should stop making fun of them cause really soon they are going to leap about 10 spots ahead of us for good.

Anyways, I digress. In terms of Flames. How can people possibly say 6th? We lost Joki, got Hudler. Maybe a wash? Different player, hard to judge. But no major improvement. Next we got Wideman, a complete trainwreck of a dman in his own end with some decent offence. Great, thats probably a wash considering we couldn't score enough goals last year. Otherwise its the same team except OLDER. Iggy is going on 40 or something, and I'd pick this year as the first for him to miss 30goals. Its inevitable, he can't cheat father time.

I think some people have crazy ideas about Baerstchi being the next Stamkos or Tavares or Eberle. He likely will get 35 points (a great rookie year).

So how do we get 6th? Sure we had injuries, but so did everyone else. I guess we just pray the stars align and the gods rain down on us. Cause there is no way you can logically think this team is going to improve that much.

I predict we get 13th. We'll be in 11th at the deadline, trade Iggy for a few draft picks and finally start to attempt to draft some stars and replace the dying core of this team.

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#36 Captain Ron
July 13 2012, 11:55AM
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@Kurt

Yes I am one of those who is completly guilty of wearing rose colored glasses with my predictions. As a multiple season ticket holder I have to put them on when making my monthly payment. Helps me to keep my sanity.

I agree with you on the Oilers to a point but they have a little ways to go yet.

Also think Detroit falls off a little bit this year, and Nashville, Phoenix slips a little too.

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#37 Parallex
July 13 2012, 12:02PM
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@Kurt

"Otherwise its the same team"

Except that it isn't...

Guys who played the season opener last year that aren't projected to do the same this year:

Hagman Kostopolis Jokinen Hannan Babchuk Bourque Moss Horak Stajan

Replacing them...

Baerschi Comeau Cervenka Wideman Brodie Cammellari Hudler Backlund Jones + New Coaching Staff.

That's 42% difference... and honestly I don't know how anyone could look at that turnover and not see an improved team considering the only guys on the first list that were worth a damn were Jokinen and Moss. Add in that I find it highly unlikely that the Flames will have anywhere near as many mangames lost as last year and several western Conference teams look likely to take a step back in terms of talent (Nashville, Phoenix, Detroit) I see plenty of reasons for optimism... to be fair I think 6th is the high end of what the team is capable of but the potential is there.

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#38 Captain Ron
July 13 2012, 02:42PM
Trash it!
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@Parallex

I agree with your assessment as well. We also still have a world class goalie. I know that me putting the Flames on my list at 5th is a bit of blind optimism on my part but the difference between 5th and 8th could only be 4 points or something like that. It may very well come down to shootout wins.

If our guys start dropping like flies again then well........

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