Five things: What the what?

Ryan Lambert
August 02 2012 08:28AM

1. The Jankowski decision

So Mark Jankowski is going to forego the USHL and head straight to Providence College and the best top-to-bottom college hockey conference in the NCAA. People seem more or less thrilled by this decision.

I'm not sure I get it. Okay, yes, he was among the five best players at this year's development camp and displayed high-level skill in a number of areas, led primarily by his hands around the net. That's good. You can count the number of Flames prospects with Good Hands Around The Net on, well, less than one of those.

Calgary wanted him in Hockey East. Providence wanted him in Hockey East. His USHL team wanted him in the USHL. The latter two were considerations made for reasons that seem fairly obvious.

As a consequence of the organization supporting Jankowski's move straight from a Quebec high school league to NCAA hockey, most people seem to think this will only speed up his development, giving him a pro window of "some point in the hazy and somewhat-far-off future" to "probably in a few years or something? maybe?" which I guess is improvement.

The team is high on him, Providence obviously is as well. But let's also keep in mind that this pick was, for everyone not on the Calgary Flames' payroll (either directly or indirectly), a bit of a headscratcher and a longshot when it was made.

2. Some things we need to get straight

One of the main arguments against my "WHAT? ARE THEY CRAZY?" tweets in the immediate aftermath of the Jankowski-to-Providence announcement was that I don't know what I'm talking about. I have, I'll very readily admit, not seen this kid play. I didn't see a second of development camp, where he played against older kids, some of whom have NCAA experience. I didn't see one shift in whatever backwater Quebec High School league he came out of.

Sure, absolutely. I must plead ignorance on all things directly related to looking at Mark Jankowski play hockey.

But at the same time, I watch more NCAA hockey than probably anyone poo-pooing my criticisms of the decision has. I watch a lot. A real lot. I've seen drafted kids come out of leagues of all types and I've seen them succeed and fail. Proponents of the move say Jankowski's ready, and they've seen him, but they don't know what they think he's ready for.

3. Why am I dubious?

Let me count the ways. SUBLIST TIME!!!

a) He needs to develop physically.

This is a thing that has been more or less agreed upon by all involved. College will allow him to do that because unlike the USHL, where kids play upwards of 50-plus games before the playoffs start, NCAA hockey is nearly all practice and lifting. Between October and early March, teams can play a maximum of about 36 games, which will help a kid develop his game and his body.

But with that having been said, it's not like he wouldn't be lifting in the USHL, and don't you think that being able to compete physically with kids who max out at about the age of 20 would be a lot easier for him than skating against men who can be as old as 25? There are some big, mean boys in Hockey East who have been playing the game at a far higher level than Jankowski has for several years, and they would absolutely delight in knocking him from the attacking blue line to, oh, let's say Mars.

The argument I heard against this line of reasoning is that people said the same thing about li'l Johnny Gaudreau last season. Which is dumb. Gaudreau was never going to be able to fill out his frame to the point where he could compete physically. Jankowski is 6-foot-3. He's almost a foot taller than Gaudreau and, according to the Flames' own website, only 27 pounds on him. And hey guess what, Gaudreau played a year in the USHL.

Guys you've never heard of, big, mean very good defensemen like Sean Escobedo and Kyle Bigos are going to be sitting in the tall grass just over the other side of the offensive blue line and all to eager to put a tall, reedy freshman into the third row every chance they get.

b) Seriously, this is a Quebec high school league

Once again, I must plead ignorance. I don't know exactly how hockey for 17-year-olds works in Quebec. I'm pretty sure the top-flight kids play major junior in the QMJHL, and the kids who are a step below that and need an extra year or three to develop play Junior A in one of a number of leagues. Then there's some other junior leagues too probably. After that, I'm not quite sure where high school hockey fits into this.

Obviously, when Jankowski was drafted people racked their brains and discovered that his league had never produced a single draft pick, let alone a first-rounder. I asked around with some in-the-know Hockey East people, and we didn't have too much success in coming up with anyone who has ever made the jump from it to this top-flight NCAA conference. So, y'know, the trend continues.

Again I was told players make the jump from high school to high-level college hockey pretty regularly. This is a true fact. In the WCHA and CCHA, players jump right from Minnesota high school to Division 1, likewise Hockey East and the ECAC drawing from New England high school hockey. But the difference is that often, what's called "high school" hockey is really "prep hockey," where kids get to play even after they turn 19? Guys like Chris Kreider, Cory Schneider, Jon Quick, and so forth came from just such a league, and they all played New England prep. The 18-year-old younger kids tend to come out of Minnesota schools, which are an entity unto themselves.

Saying this Quebec league is a high school league on the level of those in New England and Minnesota because the players are "high school players" is attached is like saying the ECHL is the same as the NHL because the players "professionals." Again, the latter produces NHL prospects regularly, and the former produced none ever except Jankowski.

c) Is his game where it needs to be?

The reason the USHL produces so many NHL players is that it is the premier feeder league for college hockey and, just a few weeks ago, Zemgus Girgensons (who, it should be noted, was available when the Flames were scheduled to pick) went straight from it to the AHL. The USHL's website says it has sent 264 players to the NHL, be it for one game or a whole lot more.

Again, it's not for me to say whether he's ready to play against grown-ass men in Hockey East because I haven't seen him play, but even elite players on much faster tracks to the NHL (Kreider, for instance) don't exactly have the easiest go of things in this league. Which brings us to...

4. What's he up against?

Chris Kreider is, I guess, the best possible comparison to draw here. He went 19th overall to the Rangers and has already appeared for the team in these past playoffs, where he was a bit of a sensation.

He was, again, considered to be much less of a project than Jankowski, and came into the league far later into being 18 years old than Jankowski. The latter will still be 17 when Providence College's first semester starts, but will have turned 18 about two weeks before the first puck drops this season, and the former turned 19 about a month after his freshman season ended.

More to the point, though, Kreider may have scored 15 goals as a rookie in Hockey East, but wasn't even the top freshman scorer on his own team, let alone in the league. He also went to a premier pro development program at Boston College, which churns out forwards and defensemen regularly. Kreider had all the hockey talent and skill in the world, but didn't think the game at an elite level. I'll tell you why: I saw him play high school hockey because his home rink was about a 20-minute drive from my house, and he was way, way too good for that league. He scored 33-23-56 in 26 games in a league where there were many other Division 1-bound players. Jankowski would have played against roughly zero in compiling his near-pornographic 53-40-93 in 57 games. I know which I take more stock in.

I'm very much willing to wait and see on Jankowski, but I think this is being done all wrong. The team and the college can both say this was the right decision, and one supposes only time will tell. He's going to get lots of minutes and lots of power play time this winter because Providence, unlike Kreider's BC, is more or less bereft of high-quality offensive players (the top scorer had 10-15-25 in 38 games last season and only development camp invitee Tim Schaller approached a point a game with 21 in 26).

I guess my point is: You often hear people say guys were rushed through their development process and essentially ruined. I don't know if I've ever heard the opposite said. If the kid's not supposed to be fast-tracked anyway — and we all agree that he's not — then the proving year in the USHL hurts no one.

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#1 Baalzamon
August 02 2012, 09:08AM
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I was in favour of the year in the USHL. Until dev camp.

you have to think that the Providence Coach knows what he's talking about. He's said he thinks Jankowski can be his 1st line center. He could be wrong, but maybe he could be right.

You compared Jankowski to Kreider... which isn't the best comparison. Quite aside from the fact that Kreider's a winger and Jankowski's a center, Kreider's main flaw has always been his hockey sense (well, decision making). Jankowski's is his strength (his hockey sense is supposedly off the charts).

I wouldn't have been against the year in the USHL, and Jankowski was leaning in that direction initially (seemingly Gillies and Schaller helped change his mind). But doesn't it say something about the kid that he wants to take the challenge?

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#2 Emir
August 02 2012, 09:22AM
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Those are some pretty valid points, and like all things time will tell. I do think the flames have done their research and are probably right in their decision to recommend him to the NCAA.

After all, I think the pro scouts for the flames have been considering what is the best way for him to go. And they have seen both leagues. So i'm sure the flames wouldn't be recommending him to go to the NCAA if they weren't certain it would be good for his development.

So i'm in the camp that there is a first for everything. But if i'm wrong, well i'll have point five to make me feel better! hahaha

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#3 calgaryfan
August 02 2012, 09:26AM
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Why write an article about a player you have never seen play and have no knowledge of.

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#4 calgaryfan
August 02 2012, 09:26AM
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Why write an article about a player you have never seen play and have no knowledge of.

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#5 dick
August 02 2012, 09:27AM
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I was of the impression that Stanstead played a number of tournaments against the New England prep schools that you mentioned as being superior. I believe his performance against those teams is what really got the attention of College scouts as well as some NHL scouts in the first place.

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#6 the-wolf
August 02 2012, 09:52AM
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My biggest issue with Janko isn't really the league he came out of it, but rather the limited number of viewings on him combined with the length of his projected development time. As stated, only time will tell.

Of course, Feaster saying that he'll be the best player to be taken from the 2012 draft 10 years from now (well after Feaster is out of here) doesn't exactly help. I mean, no pressure or anything.

What a stupid thing to say though. So, basically, if Calgary was picking 1st overall they wouldn't have taken Yakupov, but rather Janko. Sure.

In general I might not mind him so much if he would just keep his mouth shut: "We'll make the playoffs this year, write it down," "I'm going to enjoy playing the Oilers for the next few years (minus the last 2 games against them, apparently)," "best player in the draft."

Yeesh, pipe down already.

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#7 FireOnIce
August 02 2012, 10:20AM
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@the-wolf

The Flames weren't picking first, they were picking 14th. You can't assume by what Feaster said that he would've taken Jankowski over Yakupov at the first spot. He would've been dragged into the Saddledome parking lot and beaten by an angry mob if that had been done.

And I'm pretty sure it's been established that Weisbrod said the whole "best player from 2012 in 10 years" thing, Feaster just repeated it.

Otherwise, yes, Feaster needs to shut his trap. Saving face, sure, but making exaggerated proclamations about the Flames' playoff status with little to no real backing is ridiculous. It makes Feaster look stupid and people start to think that about the fans as well for buying into it.

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#9 suba steve
August 02 2012, 10:34AM
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I'm not sure that Feaster's public prediction of Janko's future worth was sincere (or smart), but I don't think it hurts to let your 17yr old draft pick know that you believe in him, even if others may not (yet).

I don't think I'm telling you anything you don't already know. But since the Flames knew they didn't need the #14 overall pick to get Jankowski, not constructive to ask if they would have taken him with the first overall pick. They would have traded down and bagged a whole bunch of assets. Or they would have taken Yakupov.

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#10 Calgaryfan
August 02 2012, 10:42AM
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Ryan Lambert wrote:

Because it was in answer to the critics I've talked to since his draft who have probably never seen a Hockey East game in their lives.

You have seen a hockey East game? So you write a negative article about a 17 year old, that you have never seen play!

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#11 Baalzamon
August 02 2012, 11:17AM
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@Calgaryfan

mostly it's a postive article about NCAA hockey. We Canadians are so proud of our CHL that many of us don't realize what a great level of play the NCAA actually is. I imagine Lambert believes some of the people applauding Jankowski's decision don't realize how difficult the jump to hockey east is going to be.

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#13 Calgaryfan
August 02 2012, 11:35AM
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I have never seen him play, but I know the college would not be recruiting him or the USHL wanting him if he could not play. You worry for nothing I think. Time will tell if he is a NHL player but college will not be an issue.

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#14 RexLibris
August 02 2012, 11:53AM
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I think Ryan, the-wolf and I are more or less on the same page here.

I don't have a problem with the Flames taking Jankowski, although I think that it was a gamble at an inappropriate time in the franchise's current situation.

I also would never say that the young man will be either a gem or a bust. And in response to Calgaryfan I don't think that Lambert was saying anything specifically about Jankowski either, but instead spoke about the process and path he is choosing. The article is about the decision and the factors that influenced it, not the player's ultimate ability or potential, in my opinion.

I would also agree that Feaster (and Weisbrod for that matter) made a really stupid mistake when they spouted off about him being one of (it was "one of", not "the") best players in the draft 10 years from now. Burke said the same thing when he selected Reilly 5th overall. Talking up a prospect is one thing, it is a special day in that young man's life and he is being interviewed on TSN for pete's sake, but blatant hyperbole like Feaster's just gets people ticked off. He has shown a penchant for it in other public declarations that almost always have come back to haunt him so why put that kind of pressure on a 17-year-old kid?

It is irresponsible, from the perspective of a player's development, in my opinion.

When MacGregor drafted Gernat in the 5th round he said that they had this player ranked in their top 30 but waited because they knew he would slide down the rankings due to obscurity. It is a brave thing to say that, but it is in a very different tone than what Feaster said. If he had said they had Jankowski rated in the top ten, then fine.

As a last note Ryan, when I saw that Jankowski was playing in the NCAA I did a quick check and unfortunately for me (as an Oilers fan) Bigos is not in the same conference and likely won't play against him. But your point is well made, he is exactly the kind of defender that Flames fans should be terrified of Jankowski running into. His penalty rap sheet reads like a Flyers highlight list.

P.S. I'm taking a spin on your Iginla image for my Flames Rebuilding article, if that's okay. I don't have your wicked Paint skills though, so I hope it'll be up to snuff.

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#15 Colin.S
August 02 2012, 12:28PM
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I REALLY disagree with points 3 and 4. Especially about the competing in size BS. Ennis in his first full year managed to play 82 games against NHL competition and he's only 5'9", 160 pounds. Nugent-Hopkins was doing phenomenal before he got injured up in dumpsville and he was smaller then than Jankowski is now. Yeah the Nuge got hurt, but so did A LOT of NHL players last year, injuries happen, it wasn't just because he was of a smaller build, if that was the truth he would have been done 20 games in.

He also did play more than just Quebec HighSchool, he played in two leagues, CAHS and MPHL, the second of which is your "prep league" hockey you are talking about, half the teams are from Canada, the other half is from the US, and that league is a direct feeder for the NCAA. Maybe not as good as league as other prep leagues again, but if other players from that league can go to the NCAA, why can't Jankowski??

Jankowski NEEDS to play in the NCAA, what was the USHL going to do for him? It was very obvious from people that actually watched him that he was easily one of the top 5 or top 3 prospects at the Flames Dev camp, and he was playing against guys that are going to be as big as guys in the NCAA or guys as skilled or more skilled.

For Jankowski to go from his High School Hockey to the USHL isn't some giant leap, it wouldn't be like going from WHL/OHL to AHL or even ECHL. Jankowski needs a place where he can be tested against bigger, stonger, better player and he can learn the pro-game.

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#16 matty
August 02 2012, 12:29PM
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I have to imagine some combination of Weisbrod, Feaster et al. along with the Providence coach (all people (save Feaster most likely) who have seen Jankowski play, and watch lots of NCAA games), had a big sit-down and probably talked about this exact thing. I really doubt they would want throw Jankowski into something that could set him back significantly, especially considering it's already seen as a risky pick.

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#17 Oldtimer
August 02 2012, 12:40PM
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Forget about the Flames, this is a good decision by this kid and his parents. Get as much of a college education as he can before pursuing his hockey dream. Not too many hockey dreams come true!!

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#18 Reidja
August 02 2012, 12:57PM
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I understand that it’s August and we are all trying desperately to talk about important off-season issues, but dissecting in which league this first round selected player decides to play seems a bit desperate. Like NFL fans who watch the combine desperate. But I read it, so hey, there you go, I’m just as desperate to think about hockey as the next guy. My take: play in a better league next year Mark! Mission accomplished. Ta-da! Maybe we’ll even see him on the TV and then we can all stop yelling at each other “you’ve never seen him play”, “no you’ve never seen him play”, “no you…

Is this really rushing him? I slowly raise my shoulders in a shrug of indifference. Meh.

On the much more entertaining topic of Stupid Things Feaster Says, remember these two statements from the same media scrum:

"If we trade #34, is there a position lower than 30th to finish?”

And then….

"We still believe the answers are inside that room."

????????!

I believe that over at Oiler Nation that would follow that up with a *facepalm*

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#19 RexLibris
August 02 2012, 12:58PM
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@Oldtime

Whoa, back it up there. That is way too common sense and responsible a comment.

;-)

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#20 the-wolf
August 02 2012, 01:23PM
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@Reidja

"On the much more entertaining topic of Stupid Things Feaster Says..."

HAR! LOL!!! :)

Yes, it definately deserves it's own column.

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#21 BurningSensation
August 02 2012, 01:58PM
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This strikes me as one giant concern troll.

Start with;

- He was a reach where we picked him

- We didn't drop down far enough in the draft if he was really our guy

- The 2nd rnd pick we got from Buf merely replaces the one we lost in the Regehr deal.

And then after he shows well at Dev camp;

- He's still a project and we need immediate help

Now after he is declared to be good enough to develop ion the NCAA by both the Flames mgt and Providence;

- He'd be better in the UHL, a lesser league where he would play more games against inferior competition instead of having an easier schedule, a top line spot for the taking, and a focus on reaching his physical peak.

To sum up then;

Feaster dropped down in the draft, selected a player with a high skill ceiling, had that player wow the brass at Dev camp, and then subsequently earn a probable top line spot with an NCAA team.

Yeah, clearly we are headed in the wrong direction.

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#22 SmellOfVictory
August 02 2012, 02:03PM
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@Colin.S

5'9 @ 160 is a lot more physically mature than 6'3 @ 170. The equivalent to Ennis being 160 would be Jankowski at about 190.

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#23 suba steve
August 02 2012, 02:32PM
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BurningSensation

Exactly.

First, he is playing against competition that is too weak, so he can't possibly be worth a first round selection.

Now there is worry that his competition will be too strong. Even though the Jankowski's the Flames and his college coach feel he is ready now.

I read (in the Hockey News) that he could have easily played in the OHL this year, may not have been a star, but would not have been out of place. He's ready for Hockey East.

I wish him luck in his hockey and his studies.

Props to Oldtimer.

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#24 Colin.S
August 02 2012, 03:40PM
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@SOV

Being a little bit more "physcially mature" isn't that big a deal, a small guy is still a small guy. And the fact he was able to take his small stature and do really well in the NHL is a good reason that we shouldn't just say that anyone thats not big won't do well moving to the next development level.

Jankowski was listed at 175 at the draft, it wouldn't surprise me to see him at 180-185 or so by the time he plays hockey in the fall. His first game at Providence isn't till the middle of October, so he's got over 2 months of training time, and if he's close to 185, thats more than big enough for a rookie in the NCAA and he's only going to get bigger and stronger.

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#25 RexLibris
August 02 2012, 04:23PM
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Were I a Flames fan, perish the thought (jk), I wouldn't be worried about Jankowski's height or weight. I wouldn't necessarily be worried about the fact that he is playing in the NCAA.

I have never felt that size should be a primary factor in determining the ultimate effectiveness of a player (size of the fight in the dog and all that).

What might concern me is quality of competition to date, which has been discussed enough here already and should be put aside for a season while he plays in Providence.

The physical descriptions of Jankowski remind me of Ryan Martindale. I would put aside the work ethic issues as I don't believe those apply to the Flames prospect, but the talent analyses are quite similar and the size, position, and shooting are all roughly the same.

Perhaps the NCAA route will forge a better prospect than the OHL was able to create in Martindale thus far.

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#26 BurningSensation
August 02 2012, 05:56PM
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Well as a Flames fan I prefer to think Jankowski's NHL comparable is Jason Spezza.

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#27 Alt
August 02 2012, 06:00PM
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Jankowski himself said that because college games were primarily played on weekends, that his week could be spent bulking up in the gym.He believed he could excel that part of his progress by choosing collegE.That seems logical.I.am sure there are some some big brutes in the USHL as well.

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#28 FireOnIce
August 02 2012, 07:04PM
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Bulking up in the gym AND keeping his grades above a B/80 average. Wouldn't want the kid to be SOL after his long, and glorious career is over, would we?

Man, this kid had better be the future. He has a lot of pressure on him before he's even played a real game in a Flames' uniform.

I applaud him for choosing college over professional hockey (somewhat). While I may love the sport, I think some players sell themselves short on an education in favour of hockey. It makes it all the more... entertaining, I guess, to see a player like George Parros, who went to Yale, end up in the NHL beating people up. If you get a good education and choose hockey, awesome. If you choose hockey over an education, not so awesome, unless you're Wayne Gretzky and you never need to add two numbers together in your life.

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#29 Alt
August 02 2012, 08:38PM
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FireOnIce wrote:

Bulking up in the gym AND keeping his grades above a B/80 average. Wouldn't want the kid to be SOL after his long, and glorious career is over, would we?

Man, this kid had better be the future. He has a lot of pressure on him before he's even played a real game in a Flames' uniform.

I applaud him for choosing college over professional hockey (somewhat). While I may love the sport, I think some players sell themselves short on an education in favour of hockey. It makes it all the more... entertaining, I guess, to see a player like George Parros, who went to Yale, end up in the NHL beating people up. If you get a good education and choose hockey, awesome. If you choose hockey over an education, not so awesome, unless you're Wayne Gretzky and you never need to add two numbers together in your life.

Speaking of Gretsky,we had 3 NCAA players on the Flames back in the 80,s.Neil Sheey used to drive Gretsky crazy.Sheey took great pleasure in getting under his skin.Joel Otto ,who was brought in to handle Messier,and Carey Wilson,who was a great centreman.Hope Jankowski will be just as successful

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#30 Q
August 02 2012, 09:38PM
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With all due respect, until you've seen mark jankowski play your knowledge with NCAA hockey isn't even part of the equation! This kid brings it and even if it takes the first 2 years to fit in it doesn't matter cuz he has raw talent that will b utilized by coaches and carefully developed! We need to stop talking like this was just a last second decision. I'm sure between family and close advisors who weigh-in on his development the choice was made with much thought for his future! Watching NCAA games is not a prerequisite for knowing a players needs and the best route for him. You r an outsider that can't speak for the jankowski family!

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#31 T&A4Flames
August 02 2012, 10:08PM
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Alt wrote:

Speaking of Gretsky,we had 3 NCAA players on the Flames back in the 80,s.Neil Sheey used to drive Gretsky crazy.Sheey took great pleasure in getting under his skin.Joel Otto ,who was brought in to handle Messier,and Carey Wilson,who was a great centreman.Hope Jankowski will be just as successful

I believe Jamie MaCoun was a college guy as well, wasn't he?

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#32 Sworkhard
August 02 2012, 11:22PM
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Reading through these comments, I'm surprised it hasnt been meantioned more that since NCAA games are only played on weekends, jankowski will have a lot of time to work on his greatest weakness...strength and aize. In addition, due to the week off between sets of weekend games, he's much less likely to get injured compared to a chl type schedule.

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#33 Reidja
August 02 2012, 11:35PM
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@Sworkhard

Maybe read them again dude.

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#34 rickithebear
August 03 2012, 09:19AM
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When I heard stankowski was going to Providence, thought, they will crush any offensive talent he has.

Providence is a two way system team. Major emphasis on defensive. the system supresses major talent.

In the history of providence. There have been 175 FWD recruit play more than 10 games. Of that group, 14 have had at least one NHL game.

4/14 have 80-200 Games: Craig Darby, Gates Orlando, Steve Rooney, Paul Guy.

3/14 Players have 300 Gm or more Tom fitzgerald 1097GM 139G 190A .30PPG -72 Fernando Pisani 462GM 87G 82A .37PPG +5 Rob Gaudreau 311GM 51G 54A .34PPG -63 3 of 175 had 3rd/4th line careers.

Maybe Stankowski will be the first to emerge as a strong offensive talent out of providences 52 year history of stiffling offensive play.

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#35 rickithebear
August 03 2012, 09:25AM
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Jankowski Damn it! Got golf on the brain!

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#36 suba steve
August 03 2012, 09:30AM
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@Sworkhard

I remember having a good deal of leisure time @ UofA, but dude, I was not playing NCAA hockey. Fewer games...yes. But those 3 hour chemistry labs at 8am on Friday morning definately cut into my workout schedule. Classes, homework, study time, practice, travel, games, workouts, sleep, beer gardens. I know MJ hopefully won't need to fall back on his education (like most of us have to), but it will take up a good share of his time away from the rink, even if he is studying Leisure Pursuits.

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#37 flames09
August 03 2012, 09:37AM
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Those are some pretty valid points, and like all things time will tell. I do think the flames have done their research and are probably right in their decision to recommend him to the NCAA.

After all, I think the pro scouts for the flames have been considering what is the best way for him to go. And they have seen both leagues. So i'm sure the flames wouldn't be recommending him to go to the NCAA if they weren't certain it would be good for his development.

So i'm in the camp that there is a first for everything. But if i'm wrong, well i'll have point five to make me feel better! hahaha

I read a good article a few days ago about this actually...it was interesting

http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog/Colin-Dambrauskas/Jankowski-Chooses-NCAA-Is-It-The-Right-Choice/171/45877

I think the NCAA route was the best choice for him, itll allow him to work on his size...

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#38 flames09
August 03 2012, 09:39AM
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Thats just it...Feaster wants smart players and this will allow Mark to work on his academics while also training 6 days a week...good decision I think

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#39 Colin
August 03 2012, 10:21AM
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You have to remember though, his classes don't work like a regular persons do. They have additional tutors for homework and the courses are generaly tailored to fit into his Schedule rather than him into the course schedule. As well the courses don't have to be a full semester course load and courses can be done in the summer if memory serves me from reading up on how NCAA BB and FB work, should be very similar to how NCAA Hockey would work as well.

Not saying the education side of things will be a breeze for him or anything, but dependingon the courses he has choosen to pursue, he may still have enough free time to fit in socializing as well as workouts and hockey practice.

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August 03 2012, 10:57AM
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Hey,if they can get a 350lb offensive lineman (who wouldn't have earned a high school diploma in a "fair world") through school... Hopefully MJ "earns" his education and becomes a better man for it.

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#41 dreski
August 03 2012, 11:29AM
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Look at you keeping your posts short(er)! Appreciate the comments as always

@calgaryfan

Ryan is the man for taking the road/opinion less travelled. I used to rake on his 5 thoughts, but going back you will see a lot of his previous articles ring true (especially in retrospect). I personally think marks head will be underwater playing in the ncaa at that size. Time will tell, but I'm hopeful he can keep his head attached to his shoulder. Keep it up Ryan. Although I'm happy the punishment we put you through last year resulted in the amazing Iggy gif

I'm personally pretty stoked on Sieloff. Plays with an edge, but not the attitude of Dion in his Rebel days.

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I read a good article a few days ago about this actually...it was interesting

http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog/Colin-Dambrauskas/Jankowski-Chooses-NCAA-Is-It-The-Right-Choice/171/45877

I think the NCAA route was the best choice for him, itll allow him to work on his size...

@Flames09

Good article, thanks for linking it.

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#43 the-wolf
August 03 2012, 11:34AM
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Speaking of being undersized and keeping your head attched....

"I'm personally pretty stoked on Sieloff. Plays with an edge, but not the attitude of Dion in his Rebel days."

Well, he's not undersized right now, but it will be interesting to see him hit NHLers like that at his size.

P.S. I don't mean he's 'tiny,' either, just not the hugest for an NHL D-man who wants to play that style.

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You might be right Wolf. Either way I love me a mean d-man. Of which he have almost none in our system (assuming Breen doesn't figure out how to skate in the next two years)

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Hey,if they can get a 350lb offensive lineman (who wouldn't have earned a high school diploma in a "fair world") through school... Hopefully MJ "earns" his education and becomes a better man for it.

I'd agree with this, except that I'd change lineman with something like Wide Reciever or linebacker or something.

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in order to become a mean NHL dman, Breen will have to do more than just merely learn how to skate... such as developing a mean streak.

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#47 Steve
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Speaking of being undersized and keeping your head attched....

"I'm personally pretty stoked on Sieloff. Plays with an edge, but not the attitude of Dion in his Rebel days."

Well, he's not undersized right now, but it will be interesting to see him hit NHLers like that at his size.

P.S. I don't mean he's 'tiny,' either, just not the hugest for an NHL D-man who wants to play that style.

I sure hope you're right. I wasn't impressed with Sieloff during dev camp. The only big hit he delivered was on himself, then was done for the week. I was just bemoaning that we could have had Thrower instead. Hopefully Sieloff has a good year at Windsor and changes my mind.

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Was hoping for Thrower as well, but Brett Kulak makes up for it for me, as he still is growing think he has a lot more upside than he's showing. He was 5'9" his Bantam Draft year. On the other hand Dalton Thrower scored 54 points out of no where last year and was as tough of a defender to play in the WHL, thought he would have been gone when we first picked up that second rounder. Montreal now has Darren Dietz and Thorwer who are two of the most underrated defenders out west for me. Throwers defense is a bit of a liability, if Kulak can develop some offense he is great defensively, +29 last year rarely on for a goal against. Sieloff could develop was buired behind Seth Jones, Trouba, Skeji last year on USNTDP, he's definatly not a bad pick. Kind of reminds me of Wotherspoon didn't like us picking him last year but he consistantly improved this year, produced more offense than I thought.

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@Steve

Was hoping for Thrower as well, but Brett Kulak makes up for it for me, as he still is growing think he has a lot more upside than he's showing. He was 5'9" his Bantam Draft year. On the other hand Dalton Thrower scored 54 points out of no where last year and was as tough of a defender to play in the WHL, thought he would have been gone when we first picked up that second rounder. Montreal now has Darren Dietz and Thorwer who are two of the most underrated defenders out west for me. Throwers defense is a bit of a liability, if Kulak can develop some offense he is great defensively, +29 last year rarely on for a goal against. Sieloff could develop was buired behind Seth Jones, Trouba, Skeji last year on USNTDP, he's definatly not a bad pick. Kind of reminds me of Wotherspoon didn't like us picking him last year but he consistantly improved this year, produced more offense than I thought.

Yep, definitely liked the look of Kulak. Sieloff didn't have much of a chance to redeem himself, as I think it was the Tuesday he was done. Not much else to look forward to on defense, hoping for these three draft picks this year. You think Wotherspoons got some potential? I was mildly impressed with what I've seen from him. Defensemen always take a little longer to figure out. Forget about drafting a goalie next year, load up on at least 3 more D.

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#50 negrilcowboy
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let the kid go develope, hopefully the three or four years at college serve him well. obviously playing in a real league will be a far better indicator of the talent level. the one burning question i have is why he chose the quebec high school over more competitive junior loops in ontario.its apparent he wasnt going to make his ohl draft club being so undersized but the ontario provincial league is used by many as a stepping stone to the ncaa. ask cammy.

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