Five Things: The dog days

Ryan Lambert
August 09 2012 11:09AM

1. Flames lose inconsequential defenseman, still have several lying about

This is what qualifies as news in early August except when a prospect maybe or maybe not punches someone out in front of a bar.

To bastardize a quote from "Love Story:" What can you say about Clay Wilson? His jump to the KHL is more or less of no consequence except that it voids his current contract, which was a one-way deal to ensure he got paid his full $525,000 when he's still bussing it in Abbotsford.

That is good insofar as it gets the Flames one contract under 50 since he was removed from the team's reserve list, and ok sure. A little more flexibility isn't really a bad thing.

But there are still eight defensemen on NHL contracts, and doesn't that seem like a problem? At this point, you have to figure the team goes with Jay Bouwmeester, Dennis Wideman, Mark Giordano, and Chris Butler as the everyday top four. And in all honesty, all joking aside, I don't think that's a terrible top four. I mean, look, it's not, like, great or anything. But it's pretty alright. It's probably enough. But defense was never the problem for this team anyway. Okay, I'm getting off topic.

So that's your top four, right there. And then what? Cory Sarich, Anton Babchuk, Derek Smith, and TJ Brodie are all going to be in competition for two spots with only Brodie on a two-way deal. But Brodie stays because Brodie is good, and that's five spots accounted for.

Maybe Feaster has a trick up his sleeve to con someone into taking Babchuk's contract off his hands. That would be no small miracle, of course. But even if that happens, it seems as though the team is hell-bent on keeping Sarich in the mix since they just gave him that two-year contract for the most ineffable reasons imaginable. Something, as they say, has got to give.

Right now there are three guys playing for one spot and only one (the worst one) seems the likely candidate to take it. Well, there ya go.

2. A shocking realization

With respect to the above, maybe you could tell that I wrote the beginning part like "Boy how are they gonna figure this out!?!?!?" and then slowly light dawned on Marblehead, to use a Bostonian expression no one around here uses any more. The more I thought about it from their perspective, the better sense it made. At least, y'know, relatively.

The Flames have a very definitive plan for dealing with an easily avoidable situation of having too many defensemen under NHL contracts (the best way to avoid it was not re-sign Cory Sarich for two years at $2 million per!), and it probably involves doing a bad thing. Of course.

I know I'm supposed to, like, not be this hard on the team based on the comments I've seen in recent weeks but at the same time it's just too much to handle sometimes. The team steered away from the skid by signing Sarich and now has limited cap room because there are EIGHT defensemen on NHL deals. I don't know, it seemed like a pretty simple issue: Don't re-up the guy who's old and slow and not good. I complained about that contract right after it was signed, and now I'm thinking about it again and it still doesn't make any sense. Also, I forgot about the no-movement clause. Oh hell.

Know how bad that deal is? EVERYONE in the comments agreed with me on it. That never happens.

3. Something I've been wondering about

So this week it was announced that the Markham Arena would take another step forward with building applications being submitted. If approved, the rink is intended to be completed by 2015, the same year as the new Quebec arena.

Obviously there are a few teams down here in the U.S. that are struggling, chief among them being the Islanders, Devils and of course Coyotes. Apart from your exhausting and frankly embarrassing THIS IS OUR GAME stance on all matters related to relocation (no one is saying a team in Moose Jaw wouldn't draw better than the Coyotes do in Glendale, or probably ever has), do Canadian fans in general think another team in the Greater Toronto area would be welcomed nationwide?

Not that it would ever happen.

No one, from my understanding, cares for the Maple Leafs. They're generally pretty well despised, right? So would you think second GTA team, assuming it was relocated and not a terrible-idea expansion team, is more, less or equally despicable in comparison with the Leafs? Or would you simply not care about them, the way everyone does with the Sens? I'm honestly just curious.

4. Gaudreau at evaluation camp

You probably haven't heard a lot about this up in your neck of the woods, but USA Hockey is having a junior evaluation camp this week, and of course Johnny Gaudreau is an invitee. However, these scrimmages, and games against other nations, cost money to view online and I don't think I'm quite so desperate to watch hockey as all that.

So instead of commenting on the talk I've heard, I instead reached out to my fellow American patriot Chris Peters of the United States of Hockey blog. Chris is a buddy and pretty much the blogosphere authority on all things USA Hockey, and has seen many of these games. So how has Gaudreau done? Well, it's not the rosiest picture:

John Gaudreau's been kind of up and down in camp. Having been paired with Alex Galchenyuk, it seems clear that the USA Hockey folks envision that highly skilled duo to produce and be possible linemates for the WJC. They've done OK in camp, but not nearly as well as expected. I think Galchenyuk is still shaking off the rust from his lack of games last year and still is a step slow from his knee injury.

So this is all Galchenyuk's fault!!!! Well then, let's get him.

For the latter half of Wednesday's game, Gaudreau looked like you would expect him to. He's a really creative little forward that can beat guys with his hands or his smarts. He really has a lot of confidence with the puck on his stick and has good enough speed to get away from checks. After the way he closed out his freshman season at Boston College, I was expecting him to put up a bunch of points in camp, but it just hasn't happened yet.

So not great, but not bad either. Peters closes by once again noting what he calls Gaudreau's "special talent," and confirms that there's basically no way he doesn't make the team in December. So that's all good stuff.

5. And finally...

Though I feel this has gotten progressively less bitchy as it's worn on, here's Iggy just to be safe...

 

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#1 the-wolf
August 09 2012, 11:25AM
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Don't worry about Gaudreau, he'll be a superstar. After all, Feaster told everyone how every team in the league told him he was a genius for picking him and that they were all going to pick him but Feaster just beat them to it due to his superb intellect and and now every team calls every day asking about him in a trade. So now worries there. From the same guy, of course, who re-signed Sarich.

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#2 mattyc
August 09 2012, 11:29AM
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I know Babchuk has some type of NMC or NTC - does that stop the Flames from demoting him to the AHL if Hartley decides he doesn't need him? Does that also stop the Flames from just waiving Babchuk?

Bouw - Butler Gio - Wideman Brodie - Sarich/Smith

That seems pretty good to me...

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#3 Michael
August 09 2012, 11:32AM
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I still think Feaster plans to trade JBo, leaving us with the magic 7 dmen, 6 and a spare...

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#4 Kevin R
August 09 2012, 11:42AM
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But if we trade JBO, then our top 4 looks like: Wideman/Butler Gio/Brodie Sarich/Smith

I wouldnt blame Kipper for demanding a trade or he is a no show for training camp.

I just dont understand why JBO is even on the market if we think we are close to making a run at the playoffs.

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#5 Stockley
August 09 2012, 11:52AM
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@Kevin R

I don't really understand why they would move Bo either. I don't think Brodie is ready to eat more minutes, they'd be throwing the kid to the wolves.

Babchuk has a NTC, not a NMC. Pretty sure that means he can be demoted. Unlike Wilson he isn't playing for peanuts, so walking away from that guaranteed money for a big contract in Russia isn't really an option for Anton. I do hope the team reassigns him to Europe somehow. There's just no room for him in Calgary right now. He's a PP specialist. Nothing more, nothing less.

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#6 Michael
August 09 2012, 11:57AM
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No doubt about it, trading JBo would leave a huge hole... but i just don't think the Flames will start the season at $66 million and change... Now, if they had a legit shot at the cup maybe, but as a likely 8-12 place 'iffy' playoff team?

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#7 Jonathan Willis
August 09 2012, 11:59AM
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Reports today are that the Flames are talking to Detroit about the possibility of trading Bouwmeester.

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#8 Bean-counting cowboy
August 09 2012, 12:00PM
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Ya if Feaster trades Bouw after re-signing Sarich it will be real head-scratcher.

I think the return has to be pretty good for Feaster to pull the trigger, as they are under no pressure to trade him.

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#9 Stockley
August 09 2012, 12:04PM
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@Bean-counting cowboy

Maybe Jay's just crazy like a fox. Makes it look like he's doing what he can to make the playoffs but his real agenda is to just look like he wants them to compete; while in truth he wants the team to nosedive and have a shot at Seth Jones or Nathan Mackinnon. I wouldn't cry about having either player, personally. They're the type of franchise-altering talents I think Calgary really needs.

I'm fooling myself, though. This team will do what it always does. Play just well enough to screw themselves out of a lottery pick. Maybe they squeeze into the playoffs and lose in the 1st round again. On paper they don't look as awful as some pundits want us to believe. The problem is on paper they've looked at least decent for years.

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#10 the-wolf
August 09 2012, 12:10PM
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It's always either Philly or Detroit and I do believe Calgary could get a solid return from either team, but I agree wholeheartedly with the comments on here that moving JBo creates a huge gap on the blueline.

It just does not make sense if the team continues to try and make it into 8th. If Kipper regresses from last season (likely) this team will be in huge trouble.

Calgary's forwards, while having a collective amount of talent to be able to score at a decent level, are not exactly 200' Datsyuk-esque players.

Our D can move the puck, but how are they going to prevent it from coming in to their zone and take it away in order to move it in the first place?

It'll be interesting to see what happens on this front. Seems like every season the team overcompensates in one area at the expense of another area.

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#11 FireOnIce
August 09 2012, 12:15PM
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So... what does Calgary get from Detroit in a JBo trade? I doubt it will be Zetterberg, Datsyuk, or Howard.

Who's left? Darren Helm or Filppula should be a starting point. Nyquist? Kindl?

For the love of all that is holy, Ian White and Todd Bertuzzi had better stay in Detroit. No Gustavsson, Franzen, Tootoo, Kronwall, or Samuelsson.

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#12 JF
August 09 2012, 12:15PM
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Not sure what the whole hubbubabaloo about the # of Defensement is... pretty sure the game day blue line is Bouwmeester, Giordano, Wideman, Butler, Brodie, and Sarich. Sure that leaves Carson, Babchuk, and Smith but really who cares?

The Flames have rolled with 8 "D" in the past, it doesn't put them over the cap to do so, and it's not like the HAVE to have them in Calgary. Besides I find it unlikely that there won't be amnesty buyouts after the next CBA is signed. So... poof "problem" solved.

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#13 Steve
August 09 2012, 12:19PM
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Jonathan Willis wrote:

Reports today are that the Flames are talking to Detroit about the possibility of trading Bouwmeester.

Any speculation on what the return would be?

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#14 Stockley
August 09 2012, 12:27PM
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@Steve

I'd be happy with picks and one or more of their prospects. Tatar? Jurco? Jarnkrok?

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#15 Baalzamon
August 09 2012, 12:27PM
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frankly, I'm more concerned about the number of wingers than the number of defensemen.

@FireOnIce

There was a rumour kicking around a little while ago that the Red Wings offered Filppula, Ericsson, and a late draft pick for Bouwmeester. that might seem tempting given Ericsson's size and Filppula's stat line last season (and the fact that he plays center). I don't think I'd take that deal myself, though.

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#16 the-wolf
August 09 2012, 12:29PM
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"For the love of all that is holy, Ian White and Todd Bertuzzi had better stay in Detroit. No Gustavsson, Franzen, Tootoo, Kronwall, or Samuelsson."

HAR! LOL!!! No worries Darryl is gone.

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#17 the-wolf
August 09 2012, 12:42PM
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I'd like Jarnkrok, but I doubt Detroit would giv ehim up and, besides, *GASP,* that might signal a rebuild and wecan't have that.

http://thehockeywriters.com/red-wings-sign-zetterberg-type-prospect-calle-jarnkrok/

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#18 McRib
August 09 2012, 12:46PM
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Jay Bow to Detroit for former Wisconsin Star and NHL ready D Prospect Brendan Smith he can replace him and could be a home run, makes us much younger (14GP 1G 6A 7P in 2011/12).

Or a First Rounder and underrated Vanocuver Giants Forward Marek Tvrdon. Also like Gustav Nyquist and Jarnkrok. Not the biggest Tatar /Jurco fan.

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#19 the-wolf
August 09 2012, 12:48PM
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@McRib- seeing as how Lidstrom just retired and Smith already looks like a top pairing D there's no chance that will ever happen.

I think Nyquist wouldn't get moved either.

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#20 Stockley
August 09 2012, 12:53PM
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@the-wolf

I think Feaster has a price for Bo in mind. If teams aren't willing to ante up I'm guessing the Flames are more than willing to hang onto him.

Minute-munching D are in demand this summer. It's a sellers market. A team can either cough up what Jay wants or they can go into the new season with whatever roster holes they want.

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#21 Reidja
August 09 2012, 12:55PM
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Good timing on the Defense postion article Ryan, what with the TSN trade talk rumours...

First I have to take umbradge with all this criticism for the Sarich contract. 2 years @ 2 MM for a number 6/7 career twighlight but still kinda physical and only really frustrates me about 60% of the time d-man, on a team with a Purex soft d-core otherwise, isn't the worst thing in the world. It's the second worst thing in the world. The Babchuck contract Feaster signed last off-season is the worst thing in the world.

If however the Flames trade Bouwmeester, I will begin to see the method to this seeming incompetently insane roster management: A lottery pick.

Considering the decision to remove two of our top two-way forwards and replace them with a small defensivly-incompetent third-liner and a centre from Russia (a centre who will readily admit to not being good at preventing the opposing team from scoring), I think we finish 12th in the West. Tops.

Ma-cKin-non, Ma-cKin-non, Ma-cKin-non

Oh and on point #3, yes they would be (dis)regarded similar to the Sens.

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#22 McRib
August 09 2012, 01:05PM
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@the-wolf

Lets face it Brendan Smith is a pipe dream, Gustav Nyquist is not that much of a long shot for me they don't have a lot invested in him (4th Rounder) and didn't light the world on fire in NHL debut. They also have no problem finding Euro Forwards as their Swedish Scout is a legend.

Depends how desperate Philly/Detroit are to find a big minute defenseman, it seems to me that they are both very desperate. Probably the only reason we are even thinking about shopping JBOW, just don't think it happens unless they get a great offer.

Without another big minute defender like JBow, I honestly have a hard time seeing the Wings finish above sixth, Lidstrom and Stuart are big minutes to fill.

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#23 suba steve
August 09 2012, 01:13PM
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I like a lot of what Feaster has done (Cervenka, Cammi in Bourque out, Wideman & Hudler as UFA's, Comeau and Backlund cheap resignings, Hannan signing).

Now what I don't like:

Clinging to Iggy and Kipper even though we have been unable to make the playoffs for 3 years WITH them, and unable to win a playoff series WITH them since 2004.

Babchuk resigning!

Sarich resigning! If you are going to hold the gun to the head of the young and (still?) promising Backlund, such that he is among your lowest paid players, why give the faltering Sarich such a rich 2 year deal and a NMC? I know 2 million don't buy what it used to but, get your head out of your butt. A 2 year deal at 1 million per still would have had me wondering, why the 2nd year?

As for trading JBo. If he is able to gain some skilled youth, let's consider it. Can then shore up the D with another UFA, buckle down for a rough season and look foreward to the strong 2013 draft.

Oh, and if you get any inquiries about the availability of #12 or #34, give it some serious thought please.

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#24 the-wolf
August 09 2012, 01:14PM
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@McRib - yeah, doesn't make sense for them to move a D for a D.

Nyquists totals are phenomenal, but he did score a ppg as a rookie in the AHL and started that way in the NHL while playing with Datsyuk. Which, yeah sure, it's Datsyuk, but he still displayed a lot of potential. If he was bale to improve his strength this summer and is more ready for the physical demands of an 82 game season he could break through.

@Stockley - for sure, but I think the time to land Smith, Jarnkrok or Nyquist was 2 summers ago. Again, that would've required doind something akin to a rebuild and Flames management are unwilling to do that.

But you're right, Detroit may well just choose to soldier on or bring up another rookie D.

Or I could be wrong and Detroit does move one of those guys, but I just don't see it. Also, Calgary's history would suggest they'd be after a more established player rather than a rookie.

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#25 Danger
August 09 2012, 01:17PM
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@Ryan, Reidja

Re #3: Sens-level indifference most of the time, but I'm sure there would be a big uptick of interest and even (temporary) support every time they play the Leafs.

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#26 Steve
August 09 2012, 01:27PM
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the-wolf wrote:

"For the love of all that is holy, Ian White and Todd Bertuzzi had better stay in Detroit. No Gustavsson, Franzen, Tootoo, Kronwall, or Samuelsson."

HAR! LOL!!! No worries Darryl is gone.

That's funny. White and Bertuzzi were the first ones that came to mind. Then I thought, oh right Darryl's gone.

I was just looking at the Detroit prospect list and I don't see much that I recognize outside of Tatar and Smith.

NHL'ers Kindl, Helm would be good to have.

Speculated Filppula, Ericsson and a late pick? Not sure that fills any particular need that compensates for losing a top 2 D that is under 30. Also, I think we're looking at reducing number of bodies, aren't we? I think we would need to see at least 3 NHL bodies going the other way in this type of deal. Sarich might accept a deal to Detroit, or maybe they have to take Babchuk and/or Stajan to make this happen.

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#27 FireOnIce
August 09 2012, 01:48PM
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@Steve

If Feaster is looking at offloading someone like Stajan or Babchuk in the same deal as Bouwmeester, expect the return to be low. Like when they included Kotalik in the Regehr deal and got a pile of crap (Butler and Byron are decent, I guess).

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#28 Kevin R
August 09 2012, 01:51PM
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There are a lot of dont make sense stories out there. Now I read one that says a blow up is out of the question because they need to ensure the team is competitive enough to sell tickets to fill a new building. OK, I get that. Then make the proper moves to ensure that happens. Then we see moves that head that direction then moves that shake your head. Then we hear a story of how the Flames dont want to be a cap spending team. OK, I get that, may not neccessarily ensure we are a playoff team that goes against the above objective to ensure ticket sales for a new team. But hey, ownership have spent well over the cap with no results & see teams like Nashville & Phoenix spend way less & make the playoffs. Its time to smarten up the people that like to spend other peoples money. Not Feasters fault entirely, he walked into this one. Then Feaster & King deny they are working on a self imposed cap & make some eyebrow raising UFA signings. If you are cost/cap conscious, you dont be such a player in the July UFA madness. Suddenly OK, we are trying to compete & shoot for the playoffs. Then, we actively & aggressively shop one of our expensive top 2 dmen of which we have no one to replace these critical minutes & we are suddenly a 9-12th place team.

I just dont get it. I am at the point of I dont care which way we go. If we rebuild, want to spend less & go a full youth movement, by jeese lets make the smart decisions accordingly. If we want to compete, then compete & make moves & spend accordingly. I wish the heck they just trade JBO & get it over with because I'm hoping the return Feaster accepts will tell me what direction this team is actually going.

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#29 Steve
August 09 2012, 01:54PM
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FireOnIce wrote:

If Feaster is looking at offloading someone like Stajan or Babchuk in the same deal as Bouwmeester, expect the return to be low. Like when they included Kotalik in the Regehr deal and got a pile of crap (Butler and Byron are decent, I guess).

Yeah, I wouldn't say it was a pile of crap. Butler I think is a very good NHL defenceman right now, with the chance he could get better. Byron, my expectations are lowered.

But anyway, I can't see trading JBo 1 for 2 NHL contracts. More has to be going the other way. If it's not one of the bad contracts my vote would be 'no'.

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#30 Colin.S
August 09 2012, 02:14PM
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Why would we want Filppula is the question, I think doing the WOWY numbers, it was obvious that Zetterberg was the straw that stired that drink, however Hudler was more than okay on his own but it was Filppula that was the worst of the three when without Zetterberg or Hudler.

Also who on D could we take? Ericcson, maybe Quincey? Would Detroit let go of Kronwall even though they just resigned him to a big deal? If there is any chance to get Smith how fast can we get a deal done?

I like the Idea of trading with Philly a little more I think, there is probably a player we could get that would fit into our top 6 and maybe a younger defender back.

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#31 McRib
August 09 2012, 02:21PM
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@Steve/FireOnIce

Initally we were trying to get Luke Adam, but when they included Kotalik he was out of the question.

As much as I don't mind Butler. Byron (Claude Giroux was the only reason I was drafted) does absolutly nothing for me and Luke Adam is going to be a hell of a player. Adam for Reggie was good enough for me.

The Flames make trades to get the most players possible. Why can't they make a trade to get one or two great players/prospects. Jay Feaster needs to figure this out quickly, quality over quantity.

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#32 the-wolf
August 09 2012, 02:32PM
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@McRib - I'm still hoping that one day they make a Calgary-style trade in reverse and move out 3-4 2nd/3rd liners for 1 1st liner.

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#33 Bean-counting cowboy
August 09 2012, 02:46PM
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the-wolf wrote:

@McRib - I'm still hoping that one day they make a Calgary-style trade in reverse and move out 3-4 2nd/3rd liners for 1 1st liner.

Unfortunately there are no Sutters left as GMs in the league for that to happen :(

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#34 McRib
August 09 2012, 02:48PM
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@the-wolf/Bean-counting cowboy

Other teams have been throwing their garbage to Calgary in bulk for decades. Haha. Sutter was king but Feaster's Tim Erixon Trade was eerily similar.

Two 2nd Rounder's and Roman Horak... Why not a first rounder period (would have been JT Miller). At least he got something for Erixon, kind of scares me a little though.

When the Calgary Flames call another team to make a trade their GM must call their director's of professional/amateur Scouting and say "Lets bundle up three or four players who will never make it Calgary's looking to trade"

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#35 Steve
August 09 2012, 02:52PM
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McRib wrote:

@Steve/FireOnIce

Initally we were trying to get Luke Adam, but when they included Kotalik he was out of the question.

As much as I don't mind Butler. Byron (Claude Giroux was the only reason I was drafted) does absolutly nothing for me and Luke Adam is going to be a hell of a player. Adam for Reggie was good enough for me.

The Flames make trades to get the most players possible. Why can't they make a trade to get one or two great players/prospects. Jay Feaster needs to figure this out quickly, quality over quantity.

I'd rather trade him to Philly. Detroit could fall right out of the playoff picture with their current D-corps. I think we'll see just how great Lidstrom was. I consider him the second best defenseman ever behind Orr. They will miss him greatly.

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#36 McRib
August 09 2012, 03:04PM
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@Steve

Honestly Lidstrom/Stuart was their first pairing if they ice the same team don't see them getting home ice in playoffs.

I agree Detroit is one of the teams I think we will be fighting with for a playoff spot if we keep Bowmeester.

Only way I see it happening is if Detroit give us something we can't refuse, think its nothing more than just feeling the market out.

Philly losing Andrej Meszároš to injury and Matt Carle to UFA makes Bowmeester suprisingly valuable to multiple teams. Just hope they don't wreck it by dumping Stajan with it, lets get ride of him some other way. I WANT TOP PROSPECTS NOT A BUNCH OF CRAP.

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#37 RexLibris
August 09 2012, 03:09PM
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@the-wolf

The issue there is that the Flames would be moving players like Glencross, Tanguay, and perhaps Jones, for example, for one first-line player, probably a winger. It might move out some bodies and contracts, but it doesn't address the underlying issue: not enough talent.

It would take an absolutely phenomenal trade for the Flames to acquire the talent they need at the positions they need it for the team to avoid the inevitable. Feaster does not have the ability to make that trade. Nothing in his history would indicate it and from the very beginning he lacks the resources, aside from futures and one or two prospects, to leverage that kind of return.

Quantity for quality so rarely happens anymore because of the salary cap and league parity. Gone are the days of Doug Weight for Radek Dvorak, Marty Reasoner and a cup of soup.

If the Detroit rumours are true, then I'm pretty sure that Holland would not be negotiating around names like Nyquist, Smith, or even Kindl. He knows all to well that he'll need that youth sooner rather than later. Flames fans might want to check up on the status of Landon Ferraro.

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#38 RexLibris
August 09 2012, 03:12PM
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@McRib

Would Bouwmeester to Philadelphia for Brayden Schenn and a flip of first round picks sound about right?

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#39 McRib
August 09 2012, 03:23PM
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@RexLibris The problem with trading JBOW to Philadelphia is they are one of the few teams the Flames actually have more prospect than others being San Jose/Columbus/Vancouver. Detroit has a lot more options to make a decent trade.

Schenn last year would have been out of the question this season not so much although by giving them Bowmeester we are planning on not making the playoffs. Our first rounder could be good so not sure how to get around flipping picks.

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#40 Stockley
August 09 2012, 03:24PM
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I don't think the Flyers move B. Schenn under any circumstances. Maybe if Iggy or someone was going back the other way; and even then it's iffy. They didn't acquire the other Schenn just to split them up again before the season starts.

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#41 McRib
August 09 2012, 03:25PM
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Only players worth trading for on Detroit:

Straight Up 1. Brendan Smith 2. Gustav Nyquist 3. Calle Jarnkrok 4. Tomas Tatar

Multiple Player/picks 5. Marek Tvrdon (Absolutly love this kids game) 6. Tomas Jurco (Played on unreal team, overrated) 7. Ryan Sproul 8. Teemu Pulkkinen 9. Riley Sheahan

If we cannot get any of the Top Four think a Marek Tvrdon/Ryan Sproul would be a good trade two solid prospects.

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#42 RexLibris
August 09 2012, 03:26PM
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I've got it! I've finally figured it out after wracking my brain trying to think of which direction this team is headed. It all makes so much sense now!

Murray Edwards wanted to acquire some high-end talent and make the Flames the best team in the league. There weren't any really good GMs available or interested in coming to Calgary at the time, so he promoted Jay Feaster. During the interview process Feaster said that he wouldn't commit a complete rebuild and would do his best to keep the team competitive. Edwards smiled, looked over Feaster's track record again and said "Jay, you just do what you do best, and the rest will take care of itself". A Pierre-Luc Letourneau-Leblond trade and a Cory Sarcih signing later and the die was cast.

Now Mr. Edwards need only wait for the Flames to eventually draft a Stamkos and a Hedman as a reward for Feaster's fine management decisions.

Clarity at last! (sarcasm intended)

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#43 RexLibris
August 09 2012, 03:29PM
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Flipping the picks would mitigate, for the Flyers, the loss of Brayden Schenn based on a similar assumption about relative drafting position.

I know it seems unlikely that Holmgren would split up the brothers after just acquiring Luke Schenn, but can we really think that there is something this GM wouldn'd do?

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#44 McRib
August 09 2012, 03:40PM
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@Stockley

B. Schenn isn't untouchable for Philly after Sean Couturier's rookie performance last year and resigning Jakub Voracek. Understand the brother connection something would need to go back like a Micheal Ferland... Hahaha.

Honestly though Philly doesn't have another prospect worth getting for JBow. Other than a first rounder or two, their best prospect is Eric Wellwood who the flames have about 3 or 4 of already in their system.

JBow / Greg Nemisz for B. Schenn. Gotta dream once in awhile.

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#45 McRib
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Matt Read / First rounder for Jay Bowmeester??? Keep in mind Philly is desperate.

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#46 McRib
August 09 2012, 03:46PM
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@RexLibris Paul Holmgren is not afriad to shock thats for sure. They REALLY need a defender as well. At least Detroit has Brendan Smith stepping in, Philly just lost Andrej Meszaros to add insult to injury.

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#47 the-wolf
August 09 2012, 04:13PM
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@Rex - that comment was pure sarcasm, but point taken.

@Stockley - have to agree that they don't move Schenn.

@McRib - Philly is light on prospects, but they also have a lot of youth in their line-up right now.

Matt Read or Voracek might be better possibilities. More likely Voracek since I think his upside is more limited.

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#48 RexLibris
August 09 2012, 04:24PM
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@McRib

Philadelphia is the one that traditionally adds insult to injury.

I think your "Bouwmeester and a prospect for Schenn" is a realistic proposal. I'm not sold that Schenn is a first line center and I think that if he were moved to Calgary they might be tempted to rush him. However, his stock is still high from two seasons ago and he might still have some cache for the Calgary market.

The prospect going back might end up being Ferland, though. He is the type of player that the Flyers would typically target and it could be argued that he is still a longshot to make the NHL.

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#49 RexLibris
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Pure and unadulterated. You can't buy sarcasm of that purity on the street.

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#50 Baalzamon
August 09 2012, 04:32PM
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how much do the Devils want a defenseman? I'd love it if the Flames could swing something for Travis Zajac.

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