Flames Camp News and Notes, January 17 2013

Ryan Pike
January 17 2013 01:53PM

The fifth day of Flames camp has come and gone, and the highlight of the day was a scrimmage, as well as players being put on waivers.

NEWS AND NOTES

Flames netminder Miikka Kiprusoff was absent from the nets on Thursday, as the Flames coaching staff opted to give their #1 goalie a rest.

A report from Czech website iSport.cz (via Roger Millions' Twitter) indicates that Jiri Hudler's going to try to make it back for Sunday's season-opening game. Yes, he's burying his father and then flying half-way around the world to suit up. If it happens, Hudler is a tremendous character guy.

The Flames placed defenseman Brett Carson, forward Paul Byron and goaltenders Henrik Karlsson AND Leland Irving on waivers, presumably for the purposes of sending some (or all) of them to the Abbotsford Heat of the AHL.

PRACTICE NOTES

Much like yesterday, Bob Hartley's staff ran an up-tempo practice that primarily focused on special teams work.

The session began with some odd-man rushes and break-outs for a warm-up, and then it was straight into power-play work. Once again, the club had the same ten men wearing black and manning the power-play: Curtis Glencross, Mike Cammalleri, Jarome Iginla, Sven Baertschi, Mikael Backlund, Lee Stempniak, Alex Tanguay, Dennis Wideman, Mark Giordano and Jay Bouwmeester.

After that, the Flames broke into lines and practices line-rushes and quick transition drills. The lines looked roughly like this once again:

  • Glencross – Tanguay – Iginla
  • Baertschi – Backlund – Cammalleri
  • Horak – Stajan – Stempniak
  • Comeau – Jones – Jackman
  • Begin/Byron – Street – Winchester

  • Giordano – Bouwmeester
  • Butler – Wideman
  • Smith – Sarich
  • Brodie – Carson
  • Breen – McCarthy

  • Irving
  • Karlsson

There was one pretty cool drill. Basically, they started with a one-on-one break-in on a forecheck. Then, the offensive side gained a man, as if he was coming in off a line change. Then the defense gained a man, and they went like this until it was essentially 5-on-2 for the offensive side. It seemed to be meant to replicate a quick line-change and condition players to be looking for the pass when coming in on a rush from off the bench.

SCRIMMAGE NOTES

Once again, the scrimmage focused on special teams, with the referees sending men off at random increments to give each side chances at practicing 5-on-4s and 5-on-3s.

The line-ups broke down like this.

Team Black:

Glencross / Cammalleri / Iginla / Wideman / Tanguay

Comeau / Jones / Jackman / Smith / Breen

Winchester / Byron / Begin / Carson / McCarthy

Irving

Team Red:

Baertschi / Backlund / Stempniak / Giordano / Bouwmeester

Horak / Stajan / Street / Brodie / Butler / Sarich

Moir / Yaworski (locals joining to even out the sides)

Karlsson

Team Black won 4-0, off goals by Blair Jones, Jarome Iginla, Mike Cammalleri and Tim Jackman. Leland Irving stood on his head, making a series of saves through screens and off scrambles in front of his net. He was every bit as good today as he was shaky in the days prior.

Outside of Irving, players that stood out included Jones (with nice defending on a 5-on-3), Mikael Backlund and Dennis Wideman. Steve Begin and Brad Winchester seemed to lack a bit of jump in their step, and were noticably slower on the ice than their teammates.

In a very nice touch, the Flames entire camp roster (sans the injured and absent) went out to centre ice at the end of the scrimmage and saluted the fans. Sven Baertschi and other players signed autographs for about 10 minutes following the conclusion of the scrimmage.

LOOKING AHEAD

At the time of this writing, cuts were expected to be made sometime later today. We'll have more information as it becomes available.

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Now in his third full season covering the Calgary Flames and the NHL, Ryan Pike is a Calgary native and FlamesNation's managing editor. He's trying to keep his head up, his stick on the ice and is giving it 110% every shift. You can also find his work at The Hockey Writers, the Wrestling Observer and Tough Talk MMA.
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#1 negrilcowboy
January 17 2013, 02:33PM
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please mister feaster don't sign connelly or gomez, please say no to redden.

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#2 ChinookArch
January 17 2013, 02:16PM
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I guess we have to wait till Babchuk is cleared to play before the Flames can put him on waivers. He's gotta be faking it.

On the bright side, the BBC line stays together again. I really want to see it in a real game.

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#3 FireOnIce
January 17 2013, 02:46PM
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I will poop on my burned jersey and send the ashes to Feaster in a box if he signs Connolly, Gomez, or Redden. No, no, NO.

Who is our backup goalie going to be if either/both Irving are claimed/waived to Abby? Is Goldberg in the back, waiting to suit up? Charlie Conway prepping his triple deke?

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#4 kittensandcookies
January 17 2013, 02:47PM
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Feaster should've totally gotten Lombardi! ;)

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#5 Kent Wilson
January 17 2013, 02:48PM
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@FireOnIce

I'd imagine one of Brust/Taylor would get signed.

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#6 Kent Wilson
January 17 2013, 02:49PM
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Also, Flames released Winchester today.

And Breen and Street are going back to the AHL. Thought Street might get a look to start the year, but I guess not.

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#8 negrilcowboy
January 17 2013, 02:53PM
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lombo might have been able to help on the pk. his problem is great wheels just cant function with a puck.

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#9 Vintage Flame
January 17 2013, 03:07PM
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@Kent Wilson

I thought Street might get to stick around until Cervenka was ready to play.

Interesting to see how he responds in Abby after getting demoted.

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#10 Kent Wilson
January 17 2013, 03:07PM
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@negrilcowboy

Ehh, he doesn't help this team at this point. Just clutters the bottom-6.

And I used to be a big Lombo supporter.

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#11 xeno
January 17 2013, 03:28PM
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That picture is from another day of training camp!

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#12 sincity1976
January 17 2013, 03:36PM
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What does everyone think of Connolly? Tough year last season but still put up 0.5 PPG playing the tough minutes on a bad Toronto team. 1-year on a prorated season. Free to acquire. Could be the Flames safest and best to finding a top 6C.

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#13 Ben
January 17 2013, 03:38PM
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According to Darren Dreger the leafs intentions are to send Connolly down to the Marlies, not buy him out.

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#14 bookofloob
January 17 2013, 03:40PM
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Bob McKenzie tweeted that he expects a team looking for a backup to take a look at Brust or Taylor. Perhaps Calgary is actually one of these teams. Which, awesome.

Blair Jones looked awesome I thought. I'm biased, but still. He did. Backlund and Sven play really well together, it's fun to watch.

Also I know it's hard to tell in practice (we talkin' bout practice), but Jarome does not look the least bit injured. Had a couple of vintage Iggy moments in the scrimmage too. He's slowing down, but the tank isn't empty.

Nice move at the end too to salute the fans. Didn't see it coming.

Also, I love hot dogs. And VF rockin' the suit again today as well. Mad props, Don Draper

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#15 negrilcowboy
January 17 2013, 03:44PM
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Kent Wilson wrote:

Ehh, he doesn't help this team at this point. Just clutters the bottom-6.

And I used to be a big Lombo supporter.

too bad lombos hands cant keep up to his feet.

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#16 Kent Wilson
January 17 2013, 03:46PM
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Bah. Jarome was never injured. His sore groin was actually a case of "star veteran has no interest in taking part in training camp."

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#17 negrilcowboy
January 17 2013, 03:46PM
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pardy got waived, has to be an upgrade from badchuk

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#18 negrilcowboy
January 17 2013, 03:47PM
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Bah. Jarome was never injured. His sore groin was actually a case of "star veteran has no interest in taking part in training camp."

the saint albert native is some kinda leader.

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#19 Kent Wilson
January 17 2013, 03:52PM
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@negrilcowboy

Assuming I'm right, that's not something I'd hold against a 35 year old who has played since he was 19 really. Im guessing it's more common than we'd think.

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#20 Bean-counting cowboy
January 17 2013, 03:57PM
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Dumba makes the Wild roster. T spoon (maybe that nickname will stick?) makes WJC squad over Dumba. Makes you wonder how T Spoon would fare at this point with the Flames (in writing this, I realize the Wild's D sucks) still I ask myself the question.

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#21 Baalzamon
January 17 2013, 03:57PM
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@sincity1976

Honestly, I thought better of you, sincity. Connelly didn't crack TORONTO's roster. I don't know how I could possibly make him sound less appealing.

That means he was unable to suck less than Tyler Bozak for a spot in Toronto's top 6.

@negrilcowboy

Pardy may (MAY) be better at even strength than Babchuk. But so are Sarich, Brodie, Smith, and Carson. Why would we clutter the bottom pair EVEN MORE by adding YET ANOTHER bottom pair defender to the roster?

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#22 bookofloob
January 17 2013, 04:00PM
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Probably, but why not just say it? They're not hiding the fact that they're letting Kipper rest

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#23 kittensandcookies
January 17 2013, 04:08PM
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What we need are more Toronto rejects. It's been working for the Flames so far!

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#24 RexLibris
January 17 2013, 04:18PM
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Kent Wilson wrote:

Assuming I'm right, that's not something I'd hold against a 35 year old who has played since he was 19 really. Im guessing it's more common than we'd think.

I wouldn't have been so forgiving. My concern is that it sends a message down the line about exceptions. Isn't this indicative of some of the comments I have read about Iginla not participating in previous coaches' systems as well?

As for Taylor and Brust, I have to wonder if there might not be a bidding war amongst some of the other Western Conference teams who are in need of a good backup. Anaheim loaned out Jeff Deslauriers to Norfolk, not even their own farm team, and could certainly use some decent depth in net.

According to capgeek the Flames have three contract spots remaining. Assuming that Karlsson and Irving aren't picked up, that lets them sign perhaps two players, leaving one spot for a potential trade.

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#25 Baalzamon
January 17 2013, 04:23PM
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Karlsson and Irving had to both be waived because they haven't decided which one is staying up yet. If they both clear, they'll make the choice and send the other to Abbotsford.

If neither clears... well, I really don't see anyone claiming Karlsson, anyway, but I guess then they would sign one of Taylor or Brust.

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#26 the forgotten man
January 17 2013, 04:23PM
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Kent Wilson wrote:

Assuming I'm right, that's not something I'd hold against a 35 year old who has played since he was 19 really. Im guessing it's more common than we'd think.

I have no issues with him coasting thru camp considering the gruelling schedule they have this year...but if it takes him 20 games to get up to speed then lottery pick here we come, which actually may not be a bad thing...I am torn.

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#27 DangleSnipeCelly
January 17 2013, 04:27PM
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Would sure be nice if both Irving and Karlsson were picked up... anyone heard anything? Flames get two contracts back and hopefully sign Taylor right away.

NO to Connelly, can't say I'm a fan of Gomez either, at any price. Especially since knowing the Flames, they will get into some sort of ridiculous bidding war (can't even believe I'm saying that about Gomez!) and end up giving him $3mil over 2yrs. Barf.

Question - so with both Irving and Karlsson on waivers, are they still in camp? Can they practice with the team or do we have one goalie for the last two days? I know they will clear by tomorrow morning if unclaimed so I suppose i answered my own question... as you were.

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#28 seve927
January 17 2013, 04:28PM
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@Bean-counting cowboy

Wow, that is shocking. And they're supposed to be a team to watch in the west. He can't last more than the minimum before being sent down... Surely?

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#29 kittensandcookies
January 17 2013, 04:31PM
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Karlsson should totally be picked up by the Oilers. They need a goalie that'll make Dubnik look good.

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#30 Kent Wilson
January 17 2013, 04:31PM
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Sure, but I doubt one or two extra days in camp would make the difference if that's the case.

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#31 T&A4Flames
January 17 2013, 04:41PM
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kittensandcookies wrote:

Karlsson should totally be picked up by the Oilers. They need a goalie that'll make Dubnik look good.

They have Khabibulan for that.

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#32 Q
January 17 2013, 04:46PM
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Wow! Hudler is a class act! Excited to have a player with such character! Wish him the best. Not an easy time!

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#33 suba steve
January 17 2013, 04:58PM
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Q wrote:

Wow! Hudler is a class act! Excited to have a player with such character! Wish him the best. Not an easy time!

One could argue that a character individual would be with family at a time like he is going through. Not saying he is necessarily displaying bad character by rushing back to work, but I would certainly not argue that rushing back is an indicator of good character.

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#34 RKD
January 17 2013, 05:08PM
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I don't see the Flames picking up Redden, Connolly, or Gomez. Connolly has had a lot of injury issues but did play 70 games last season and put up 36 points.

Putting both Irving and Karlsson on waivers kind of tells me the Flames are hoping another team can make a decision for them. If they want to send a guy down, do it. If they want to send both guys down that would create a real logjam, go out and get a veteran backup if you are so unsure of either guy.

Cervenka is definitely out for the opener, I could see Hudler being ready but he may come back Monday. He could use rest after what he has gone through.

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#35 backburner
January 17 2013, 05:50PM
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I think its clear that putting Irving and Karlsson on waivers means they don't want either as backup.. I would bet that Feaster has been making calls since the start of training camp.. At least that's what I'm telling myself..

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#36 Sincity1976
January 17 2013, 06:11PM
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Ha ha

I am not a Connolly fan or anything. But Feaster's strategy for our top 6C has been to throw as much mud on the wall as possible and see what sticks.

Connolly and Gomez were both 60+ point C before failing on a new team. Both would be on 1-year contracts and could be cut lose at any time if they don't work. And they would both just be another bullet in the gun to go along with our other long shots such as Cammalleri, Tanguay, Cervenka, Hudler, Horak, Backlund, and Stajan.

It wouldn't be the first time a player rebounded on the Calgary roster. Tanguay is a good example. And Calgary's depth at Wing, lack of depth at C, and planned offensive system provides a ripe environment for either of these players to rebound. The odds are stacked against it for sure. But the odds are stacked against the Flames anyway.

I would rather they could realistically get a O'Reilly or Getzlaf. But lets face it, we just can't afford the assets necessary to get one of them. If they are even available.

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#37 Sincity1976
January 17 2013, 06:12PM
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It doesn't mean that at all. It means that one of them has to be off the team come tomorrow at 3pm, that both require 24-hours to clear waivers, and they haven't decided between the two yet.

It would not shock me to see them go in a different direction entirely. But I still think it is one of those two goalies backing up Kipper day 1.

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#38 Drewski
January 17 2013, 06:53PM
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Chracter aside, getting back to work has always helped me get through tragedy. So all the best to Jiri and we will be happy to have him back whenever that is.

Quick question, Ryan what do you think the pk1 and pk2 lines are stacking up like for forwards. I remember begin being a great penalty killer.

Oh and great work Flamesnation staff. Lots of us out there who check the site every day but don't comment that often . Your efforts are appreciated

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#39 Steve
January 17 2013, 07:09PM
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I've heard some talk that maybe they're keeping a contract open for Gaudreau as well. Frozen four in early April, still almost a quarter of the season left. Now that would be interesting.

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#40 Kent Wilson
January 17 2013, 07:20PM
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Thanks Drewski.

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#41 schevvy
January 17 2013, 07:56PM
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If the Flames are serious about making the playoffs, they should be posting the predictions of many hockey people on their bulletin board (do those still exist?). Many people think this is a team destined for 14th or so in the West. It honestly wouldn't be the worst thing to happen, but I'm skeptical. I think they can battle for a playoff spot, for better or for worse. An 7-8th place finish would not surprise me, but 9-10-11 is more likely.

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#42 Brent G.
January 17 2013, 07:58PM
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I don't know obviously but really would not be surprised to see Irving getting claimed by someone. He has fallen on hard times since that dreaded Boston game although looked solid before that. Maybe he just needs a change of scenery. I honestly wouldn't mind seeing it happen because I Would like to see him in the NHL one day and see someone like Taylor in a nothing season for a couple games. I highly doubt they're going to let Karlson backup Kipper.

Begin seems like a lot more of the same. Maybe he can add something although someone like Horak should take his spot. Team toughness is overrated anyways.

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#43 backburner
January 17 2013, 08:01PM
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Just a side note, I noticed Tim Erixon was cut from Columbus today.. This makes me cheer on Roman Horak even more!!

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#44 Brent G.
January 17 2013, 08:02PM
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schevvy wrote:

If the Flames are serious about making the playoffs, they should be posting the predictions of many hockey people on their bulletin board (do those still exist?). Many people think this is a team destined for 14th or so in the West. It honestly wouldn't be the worst thing to happen, but I'm skeptical. I think they can battle for a playoff spot, for better or for worse. An 7-8th place finish would not surprise me, but 9-10-11 is more likely.

I saw some of those predictions. I would actually love it if in a half-season they could suck and get a top 3 pick. They have a few nice pieces they can add too going forward and pull a Philly style rebuild. People will laugh at this but the Flames are 1 tank job year away and a few smart moves away from making up a lot of ground against the Oilers. Of course I am assuming Gadreau, Wotherspoon, Sven, and a couple other guys turn into something of consequence. Maybe I'm being too optimistic...

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#45 backburner
January 17 2013, 08:09PM
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It would be awesome to draft Seth Jones and acquire Ty Rattie in a trade.. The whole winterhawks crew.. Just sayin'

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#46 schevvy
January 17 2013, 08:17PM
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Now guys, let's not forget, the Flames don't do top 5 picks. Ever. And we don't want them to get 6th overall...yes I'm looking at you Rico Fata.

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#47 clyde
January 17 2013, 08:34PM
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How long will we have to stink it up this tear before Feaster makes a significant move that makes us worse this year but gives us hope for the future?

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#48 Baalzamon
January 17 2013, 08:36PM
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I hate to say this, and I definitely hope I'm wrong, but honestly, if the Flames end up with a top 5/top 3 pick, I think Feaster will almost certainly trade down.

Unless they really have their eye on Elias Lindholm or somebody (which is possible, since scouts mostly rave about how smart he is).

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#49 Kent Wilson
January 17 2013, 08:43PM
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No. No. HELL NO.

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#50 Colin
January 17 2013, 08:50PM
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Does it bother anyone else that the entire time it seems that Brodie has been getting minutes behind Sarich or at least looks to be behind Sarich on the depth chart?

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