FGD: Last Time for a Legend

Justin Azevedo
October 11 2013 03:45PM

 

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Tonight, Martin Brodeur will make his last stop in Calgary as an NHLer at 7PM MT when his New Jersey Devils (0-1-3) take on the Flames (2-0-2).

The previous contest between the two underneath the Saddledome roof didn't end well for Brodeur, as he allowed 3 goals on 4 shots en route to a pull 8 minutes into the first period. I thought that might've been the last time we saw Brodeur in Calgary, but then the Devils went to the Stanley Cup, and, well, now we're here.

The Line-Up

Via Daily Faceoff:

  • Curtis Glencross - Ben Street - T.J. Galiardi
  • Sven Baertschi - Sean Monahan - Lee Stempniak
  • Lance Bouma - Mikael Backlund - Jiri Hudler
  • Tim Jackman - Joe Colborne - Brian McGrattan
  • Mark Giordano - T.J. Brodie
  • Kris Russell - Dennis Wideman
  • Chris Butler - Shane O'Brien
  • Joey MacDonald

Ben Street is basically the opposite of Blair Jones, apparently. Street has been fine, but unless Glencross has somehow regressed to a 4th liner Hartley is playing him over his head. We'll see how long that group lasts. Jones will sit in the press box tonight in favour of Tim Jackman who is a.) playing his first game of the season tonight and b.) better than Brian McGrattan. (Jones shares the latter characteristic with Jackman.)

The Flames don't exactly have a first line, per se, but it's a little weird to see Glencross off of it. Switch him with Bouma, possibly? At least that way you'd have two second lines instead of... whatever that is called up there. At least all of the guys are legit NHLers, though - that's a big part of the reason why I don't think the Flames will be as bad as everyone thinks. Unlike Edmonton in 09, the entire bottom half of the veteran roster wasn't in the AHL last year.

Bob Hartley continues to go with Joey MacDonald, even though Karri Ramo is sitting on the bench and there continues to be no legitimate reason to not play him.  MacDonald has played in 3 games thus far and has an EVSV% that's worse than replacement level, 1 quality start and 0 positional awareness. I just don't get it.

Mark Giordano and TJ Brodie have been the defensive equivalent of the golden gun thus far, as they are destroying top competition by almost every available metric. At this point, the Flames have 3 legitimate top 3 defensemen and it's hella fun to watch.

The Opponent 

Via Daily Faceoff:

  • Dainius Zubrus - Patrik Elias - Jaromir Jagr
  • Ryane Clowe - Adam Henrique - Michael Ryder
  • Rostislav Olesz - Travis Zajac - Damien Brunner
  • Jacob Josefson - Stephen Gionta - Steve Bernier
  • Bryce Salvador - Marek Zidlicky
  • Andy Greene - Adam Larsson
  • Anton Volchenkov - Peter Harrold
  • Martin Brodeur

The forward lineup, at first glance, might seem a wee bit thin. That's not shocking, as New Jersey has lost two in-their-prime first line wingers in two years. However, there's actually a lot of quality there, despite how old the team is. They might have trouble in the next couple of seasons but right now they're still solid. I expect them to be a playoff contender.

The defense is the same way: veteran talent that has defied father time and a couple of young guys. Adam Larsson is basically following the exact same career path as his countrymate, Victor Hedman, has. Both underrated, both playing good comp and doing well and both having a surprising amount of offensive upside. 

The Devils' top line is 113 years old. To put that in perspective, that takes us back to 1900, when the Titanic was still 12 years away from being sunk and when CEO's of companies were just starting to become the dictators they are today. Despite that, Elias and Jagr still remain effective #fancystats players and they're not slouches in the counting department either.

Martin Brodeur's recent struggles have been well-publicised, but his past effectiveness had given the Devils too much pause when it came to finding a replacement - until this summer. Cory Schneider may not play tonight, but he's going to be a huge asset for the team in a year or two if they can keep it together. Brodeur, on the other hand, hasn't really had a good season for 3 years now - but despite that he's still one of the greatest of all time.

Sum It Up

The Devils, as a team, are pretty good at possessing the puck and controlling the pace of play on any given night. Unfortunately for them, the past few years they've also been marred by Martin Brodeur's sub-par goaltending - much like the Flames in the late oughts and early tens.

Go Flames. Puck drop is at 7:07 on 960 AM and Sportsnet West.

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Justin is a 23-year-old Flames fan who also happens to be pursuing a double major at the University of Calgary. He has played hockey at high levels, enjoys wearing shorts and tends to drink far too much Grasshopper. Please don't hate him.
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#1 Jeff Lebowski
October 11 2013, 03:55PM
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When 'Mack' makes a great save at the dome they play Return of the Mack. Haha!

That is my all time, 'never appear on my ipod but if I hear it I crank it up', tunes.

GFG -Stick it to your critics Monahan!!!

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#2 Parallex
October 11 2013, 04:11PM
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Wonder if the Travelling Jagr's are going to be at the game.

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#3 Dave
October 11 2013, 04:14PM
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What happens if Monahan gets a hat trick tonight?

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#5 beloch
October 11 2013, 04:18PM
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Dave wrote:

What happens if Monahan gets a hat trick tonight?

Kent Wilson's head will explode.

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#6 Captain Ron
October 11 2013, 05:36PM
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Dave wrote:

What happens if Monahan gets a hat trick tonight?

I will get 3 more points in my pool this week.

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#7 ChinookArch
October 11 2013, 05:37PM
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beloch wrote:

Kent Wilson's head will explode.

So will mine.

As I write this the Monahan thread is at 89 posts, so to call this a hot topic is an understatement. Bring on the trashes, because there is no way in hell the Flames should bring this kid up. Burning that ELC would be a mistake.

Go back to the OHL kid, kill it and work on your leg strength. See you next year!

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#8 Jeff In Lethbridge
October 11 2013, 05:41PM
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there is a possibility that Monahan scores 60 points this season... and wins whatever that award is called for rookie of the year.

Oh, and MacDonald on the farm, e-i-e-i-ohhh

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#9 clyde
October 11 2013, 06:09PM
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ChinookArch wrote:

So will mine.

As I write this the Monahan thread is at 89 posts, so to call this a hot topic is an understatement. Bring on the trashes, because there is no way in hell the Flames should bring this kid up. Burning that ELC would be a mistake.

Go back to the OHL kid, kill it and work on your leg strength. See you next year!

You may be right but we can no longer look at how things have traditionally been done in regards to bringing up young players. Look at how many 2012 and 2013 draft picks are currently in the NHL. I was talking with a former Oiler and Tampa Bay defenseman who was in the AHL last year and is done at 31 because the cap dropped and teams are going younger.

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#10 clyde
October 11 2013, 06:27PM
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Justin, you comment that there really is no reason to be playing MacDonald and I am assuming you are just using certain statistics to base that on. I'm assuming Hartley is really liking the way the team is playing with him in net. As you know from playing high level hockey, there were certain players you just liked having in the line up for either certain little things they did or how the other players fed off them. Often they weren't the best players and possibly had quite poor advanced statistics but yet were very important players. We called them "Glue" guys. I get the impression that McGratten is another one of those guys and perhaps Street too that Hartley is relying on to exemplify some of the little things he values as a coach. As for Brodeur, he is a shadow of his former self but still somehow led his team to the finals 2 years ago and that can't be discounted at least in my way of thinking as I believe winning is still the only stat that matters.

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#11 beloch
October 11 2013, 06:29PM
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@ChinookArch

The decision to keep Monahan or send him back to Ottawa should prioritize one thing above all else: maximizing his ceiling as a NHL player. Contract concerns should be subordinate to this.

I honestly don't know enough about player development to say if staying or going is better for his development and/or eventual ceiling. I'm not sure anyone does, but I'm willing to admit Flames staff probably know more than me.

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#12 clyde
October 11 2013, 06:42PM
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beloch wrote:

The decision to keep Monahan or send him back to Ottawa should prioritize one thing above all else: maximizing his ceiling as a NHL player. Contract concerns should be subordinate to this.

I honestly don't know enough about player development to say if staying or going is better for his development and/or eventual ceiling. I'm not sure anyone does, but I'm willing to admit Flames staff probably know more than me.

If they do send him down, I hope he gets traded to a contender in order to play in that type of an atmosphere and pressure.

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#13 44stampede
October 11 2013, 06:51PM
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beloch wrote:

The decision to keep Monahan or send him back to Ottawa should prioritize one thing above all else: maximizing his ceiling as a NHL player. Contract concerns should be subordinate to this.

I honestly don't know enough about player development to say if staying or going is better for his development and/or eventual ceiling. I'm not sure anyone does, but I'm willing to admit Flames staff probably know more than me.

I can agree with this. I don't know enough either. I guess I am relying on common sense in that it won't hurt a guy this young to go one more year in the minors. Plus it seems to make sense for a rebuilding team to wait a bit for draft picks to catch up and have them all together. I also don't see that he is dominant in that this is a no brainer. I would think that if you are not sure then you err on the side of caution.

I guess we'll see.

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#14 beloch
October 11 2013, 06:53PM
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@clyde

MacDonald isn't glue but, like an old horse that was never good enough to be put out to stud, he's due to become glue soon.

MacBackup's NHL career Sv% is 0.903. His average last season was 0.902, which was well below the league average that season of 0.912. He has turned in precisely one above average season in his career. In 2011/2012, he played 15 games for Detroit and had a Sv% of 0.917 vs the league average for that year of 0.916. Ramo can be depended on to deliver a Sv% of around 0.900. He's 0.895 so far this season, so he's definitely not hot right now. He's the same ol' MacBackup he's been for the majority of his career.

Ramo achieved roughly the same Sv% (0.897) as MacDonald's less than sterling standard in his lone start against Washington. Washington has some pretty good shooters (e.g. Ovechkin) and it was Ramo's first real game back on NHL ice in 5 years. He obviously didn't wow anyone with that start, but he's clearly no worse than MacDonald and, based on his KHL performance, might prove better if given the chance to play. So why isn't Ramo being played?

He did make some pretty bad blunders playing the puck, so one reason he might be playing second fiddle is so he can get some remedial puck-playing lessons from Malarchuk. He might also be injured, or he might be showing bad attitude, ego problems, etc. that make playing him unwise.

Bottom line, this is either strategic tanking or something must be wrong with Ramo.

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#15 Kent Wilson
October 11 2013, 06:56PM
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Not at all. I hope he scores 3 goals per game for the rest of the year. The same way I hope money starts growing on all the trees on my property.

I just don't think either is likely.

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#16 Kent Wilson
October 11 2013, 07:01PM
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Topic at hand: Brodeur looked awful against Edmonton. Very much like a 40+ year old goalie. If the Flames can generate chances tonight and get him moving around the net, they should be able to extend their point streak at least one more game.

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#17 clyde
October 11 2013, 07:05PM
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beloch wrote:

MacDonald isn't glue but, like an old horse that was never good enough to be put out to stud, he's due to become glue soon.

MacBackup's NHL career Sv% is 0.903. His average last season was 0.902, which was well below the league average that season of 0.912. He has turned in precisely one above average season in his career. In 2011/2012, he played 15 games for Detroit and had a Sv% of 0.917 vs the league average for that year of 0.916. Ramo can be depended on to deliver a Sv% of around 0.900. He's 0.895 so far this season, so he's definitely not hot right now. He's the same ol' MacBackup he's been for the majority of his career.

Ramo achieved roughly the same Sv% (0.897) as MacDonald's less than sterling standard in his lone start against Washington. Washington has some pretty good shooters (e.g. Ovechkin) and it was Ramo's first real game back on NHL ice in 5 years. He obviously didn't wow anyone with that start, but he's clearly no worse than MacDonald and, based on his KHL performance, might prove better if given the chance to play. So why isn't Ramo being played?

He did make some pretty bad blunders playing the puck, so one reason he might be playing second fiddle is so he can get some remedial puck-playing lessons from Malarchuk. He might also be injured, or he might be showing bad attitude, ego problems, etc. that make playing him unwise.

Bottom line, this is either strategic tanking or something must be wrong with Ramo.

I was just thinking out loud on the MacDonald thing as I can't see why we haven't gone back to Ramo. I think it could very easily be one of the things you write abot and I hope it is lessons with Malarchuk as opposed to the other possibilities.

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#18 clyde
October 11 2013, 07:06PM
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Kent Wilson wrote:

Topic at hand: Brodeur looked awful against Edmonton. Very much like a 40+ year old goalie. If the Flames can generate chances tonight and get him moving around the net, they should be able to extend their point streak at least one more game.

Exactly. He does not get across the crease like he used to.

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#19 prendrefeu
October 11 2013, 07:16PM
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What's up with the Dome? It's quieter than a mouse pissing on cotton.

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#20 RKD
October 11 2013, 07:16PM
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Brodeur and Jagr in Calgary should be a treat for any hockey fan.

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#21 RKD
October 11 2013, 07:19PM
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I'm pretty sure we will see Ramo on this upcoming road trip considering there is a back to back with LA and Phoenix in ten days.

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#22 Kent Wilson
October 11 2013, 07:19PM
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Flames with the first two chances, but the ice is tilted towards the Flames end right now.

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#24 Baalzamon
October 11 2013, 07:24PM
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Street gets way too much icetime.

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#25 prendrefeu
October 11 2013, 07:28PM
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@Justin

Thanks. I haven't been to a game in the Dome for a long, long time. I'm in Los Angeles now. Maybe it's my age showing, but back then it was loud and active. Harvey the Hound was pretty active in getting the crowd chanting at every opportunity. It would be great to see it MTL loud.

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#26 Kent Wilson
October 11 2013, 07:33PM
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Devil's second chance goes in.

Joey Mac does like to kick those rebounds into the slot.

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#28 Kent Wilson
October 11 2013, 07:37PM
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@Baalzamon

Don't think Hartley has a choice right now. Things are awful thin with Cammy, Stajan and Jones out.

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#29 Baalzamon
October 11 2013, 07:45PM
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@Kent Wilson

Yeah, but the other night against the habs he had more icetime than Backlund. There's literally no reason why that should happen ever.

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#30 Kent Wilson
October 11 2013, 07:46PM
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Chances were 4-2 Flames in the first.

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#31 Parallex
October 11 2013, 07:48PM
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Well... that was a boring frame of hockey. Not a lot of zip in their steps in that one. Liked the look of Glencross - Backlund - Hudler at the end there.

Anyone know what the injury status of Cammy/Stajan is at? Are they at practice/skating yet?

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#32 Jeff Lebowski
October 11 2013, 08:09PM
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Did anyone notice how Monahan returned that feed to Hudler across the ice because he was tired and going off?

Wideman!

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#33 Kent Wilson
October 11 2013, 08:11PM
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Nice shot by Wideman, nice screen by Glencross.

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#34 Baalzamon
October 11 2013, 08:15PM
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Wideman's #1 with a bullet.

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#35 Kent Wilson
October 11 2013, 08:29PM
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That there is some awful goaltending.

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#36 thymebalm
October 11 2013, 08:31PM
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This is a lot more how I expect the season to look.

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#37 Parallex
October 11 2013, 08:31PM
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Blah, Can we pretty pretty pretty please not have anymore Joey MacDonald.

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#38 thymebalm
October 11 2013, 08:36PM
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Best PP of the year?

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#39 Kent Wilson
October 11 2013, 08:39PM
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Chances were 7-6 Flames in the second. Four of the Flames chances were on the PP though.

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#40 J.P.
October 11 2013, 08:40PM
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Friars won tonight! Gilmour had three points and Jankowski got two genos!

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#41 Kent Wilson
October 11 2013, 08:49PM
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And Gillies only allowed one goal.

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#42 J.P.
October 11 2013, 08:55PM
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From the highlights he looks really good! A big, mobile goalie that doesn't ever look out of place. Joey MacDonald just scares me when he plays.

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#43 Kent Wilson
October 11 2013, 09:08PM
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The Devils look like crap in the third here.

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#44 clyde
October 11 2013, 09:12PM
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Many Flames prospects having good nights. Great to see Jankowski have such a strong start.

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#45 Kent Wilson
October 11 2013, 09:16PM
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That was, uh, something.

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#46 Jibmeister
October 11 2013, 09:17PM
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Uh wow, in many ways..

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#47 Kmp
October 11 2013, 09:24PM
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Monahan isn't going anywhere.

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#48 Kent Wilson
October 11 2013, 09:25PM
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Hahaha, Im going to hear it now.

Great pass by Baertschi.

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#49 MichaelD
October 11 2013, 09:26PM
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Simmers is calling it the Sven Monahan .. I like it haha

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#50 beloch
October 11 2013, 09:26PM
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"They might like to watch Matlock in the afternoon, but they sure play well in the evening!". (Re: The Jagr line)

The best color isn't coming from the color commentator tonight!

Sweet feed from Baertschi and nice overall play by Monahan. Nice play and a nice goal!

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