Monahan Staying with the Flames

Kent Wilson
October 23 2013 11:44AM

 

 

Surprising no one, Jay Feaster announced this morning that Sean Monahan will not be returning to junior this season. The 19 year old rookie has had a blazing start to his career offense-wise, but the fact that he doesn't look overwhelmed at the other end of the ice is probably the reason the club has decided to keep him around.

My pragmatic budget efficiency concerns aside, Monahan has looked like an NHL capable player through his first nine contests, so the fears of him being "ruined" by being needlessly promoted to the show - as happens with some teens - are probably not relevant. And that's even if you accept that his scoring outburst to start the year is percentages based and not necessarily indicative of his true talent level currently.

Monahan's skipped the queue is no doubt the best prospect in the club's hopper currently.

Discuss.

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#1 Dave
October 23 2013, 11:52AM
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I'm Ok with this. Now I can watch him play more.

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#2 Jeff In Lethbridge
October 23 2013, 11:55AM
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I'm glad. Not because it will help us win more... I'm still expecting a very high draft pick. But -because this is where he will develop the most.

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#3 Parallex
October 23 2013, 11:58AM
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Was hoping that they could resist the urge but I guess not. Oh well, just gotta hope that it doesn't come back to bite the Flames in the future.

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#4 Nighteyes
October 23 2013, 11:58AM
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I think that if Hartley continues to increase Monohan's minutes but doesn't put him in situations where he might get banged up and/or overmatched, I'm fine with him staying. As his confidence and other weaknesses improve, his role can increase. I feel that going back to the OHL probably wouldn't have helped Monohan, but sometimes I also feel he's just a kid with unreal expectations right now because of his scoring burst to to start the year. I wish he could have a nice long year stint the Heat, that would truly be beneficial in my opinion.

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#5 Scary Gary
October 23 2013, 11:59AM
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I'm a bit surprised he's playing as well as he has in these nine games. Good for him though; he's shown that he doesn't look out of place and is willing to get the 'dirty' goals.

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#6 FireOnIce
October 23 2013, 12:00PM
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My only pre-req for Monahan staying was always that he needed to be playing significant minutes. Looking good enough to stay in the NHL is an added bonus.

His TOI has been 15+ minutes over the last 6 games, with 21:11 against the LAK and 19:26 against Phoenix. He has played PP minutes and gotten points, and hasn't been a significant detriment to the team when on the ice (-3 games against VAN aside).

Guess his staying makes sense, and I'm cool with it. Also, this doesn't preclude him being sent down later in the season if need be, or for the World Juniors. I think he should still go to the WJHC and get that medal though, as that's probably better for his leadership development than mucking with the Flames.

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#7 seve927
October 23 2013, 12:00PM
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I think the easy decision would have been to send him down. The perceived "safe" call. I'm glad they had the balls to do what they think is right.

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#8 piscera.infada
October 23 2013, 12:03PM
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@FireOnIce

They've already said they'll 'loan' him to the WJHC. It's not like this team is going to need him for a playoff push or anything.

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#9 Captain Ron
October 23 2013, 12:03PM
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I'm ok with him staying on the big club. He's proven he belongs and will develop just fine even in a sheltered 15 minutes a night role. May as well hang with the NHL guys like Hudler, Geo and the boys who can show him the way to becoming a great pro. Congrats Sean you earned it.

On a selfish note he was the last addition on my fantasy team this year. With 9 points he is ahead of guys like Kesler, Parise, and Toews etc. on my team.

So yeah, I'm happy with the decision.

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#10 Parallex
October 23 2013, 12:07PM
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Now that he's up for good I think they ought to shelter him less. I'm not saying throw him to the wolves but maybe even out his OZ starts and DZ starts and have him kill some penalties (god knows we could use a different look on the PK).

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#11 jeremywilhelm
October 23 2013, 12:13PM
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Shooting percentage aside. I've seen some progression in his game in just the last 9. There is some assertiveness to his game that took Backlund about 2 years to show. He was also making some strong plays in the D zone against Phoenix that probably went unnoticed. He also had two very good scoring chances right in close on the net that were almost goals.

Once Stajan is back and he and Backlund can do the heavy lifting, I think this is the right choice in the long run. Kid is already an NHLer. Ignoring the contract issue, I don't see how you could reasonably send him back without leaving a very sour taste in the kids mouth for the organization.

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#12 MichaelD
October 23 2013, 12:16PM
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@Parallex

No no no, Stay the course for now. If they start giving him tough minutes right after the decide to keep him and he falters everyone will be saying I told you so. Keep him where he is having success now, let him grow confidence and then nearer to the second half of the season, thats when minutes get tougher.

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#13 negrilcowboy
October 23 2013, 12:16PM
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great ddecision, monzie will benefit more by staying plain and simple. its up to hartley to manage the asset.

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#14 bookofloob
October 23 2013, 12:18PM
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hey guys

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#15 Cowtown 1989
October 23 2013, 12:23PM
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No brainer. It will be important to temper expectations for this young man as the season progresses. No need for talk of a slump when he doesn't register points for a few games in a row later in the season. Let's give him the benefit of the doubt and let him grow like the Wings do with their prospects. World Juniors will still be an option. Cautionary side note- Fata surprised he was cut...again. Please Lord, remove the curse of the 6th overall pick with this one.

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#16 bookofloob
October 23 2013, 12:24PM
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@negrilcowboy

MONZIE?

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#17 jeremywilhelm
October 23 2013, 12:26PM
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@bookofloob

Oh thank god your here. We need you to be part of this discussion!

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#18 kittensandcookies
October 23 2013, 12:31PM
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Remember folks, they can still send him down to junior.

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#19 Parallex
October 23 2013, 12:33PM
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@MichaelD

I didn't say give him "tough minutes" (In fact I said not to throw him to the wolves) I said give him less easy minutes... balanced responsibilities.

If we're going to be developing his game in the NHL then I would want all of his game to be developed (including his D-zone responsibilities and penalty killing). Not some to the exclusion of others. Frankly, I'd like to think that if he's mature enough to stay in the NHL then he's mature enough to be able to find confidence (or whatever other sports meme someone prefer) in his performance defensively and on special teams other then the PP.

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#20 negrilcowboy
October 23 2013, 12:48PM
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kittensandcookies wrote:

Remember folks, they can still send him down to junior.

amen brother.

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#21 negrilcowboy
October 23 2013, 12:50PM
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bookofloob wrote:

MONZIE?

do you approve?its a handle hie has had since youth.

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#22 T&A4Flames
October 23 2013, 12:52PM
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Parallex wrote:

I didn't say give him "tough minutes" (In fact I said not to throw him to the wolves) I said give him less easy minutes... balanced responsibilities.

If we're going to be developing his game in the NHL then I would want all of his game to be developed (including his D-zone responsibilities and penalty killing). Not some to the exclusion of others. Frankly, I'd like to think that if he's mature enough to stay in the NHL then he's mature enough to be able to find confidence (or whatever other sports meme someone prefer) in his performance defensively and on special teams other then the PP.

IMO if they were going to make it tough fhey would have done it in the 1st 9 games to ensure he can handle responsibilty. Burke said in his presser that he would wait to hear from Hartley if he could guarantee the minutes he would stay. If not, he goes.

I think Hartley has done a great job challenging Moneyhands for the 1st 9 games. Whatever the plan was, they should continue on that path. Don't just quickly add responsibility because he is staying. Hartley no doubt will add and subtract minutes/responsibilities through out the season as he sees fit.

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#23 Rockmorton65
October 23 2013, 12:53PM
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Another thought, if they sent Monahan down, would that make Gaudreau think twice about signing here? What would it say to these unsigned guys if they are one of the best players on the team, but still can't make it?

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#24 Monaertchi
October 23 2013, 12:54PM
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Why can't he go to Abby?

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#25 Kevin R
October 23 2013, 01:28PM
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:-} ;-} :-}

Well lick my pucks & buff my stick, I am thrilled about this decision.

:-}

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#26 If Only HIs Name Was Olli Postandin
October 23 2013, 01:37PM
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bookofloob wrote:

hey guys

FU@K OFF, Loob. We dont' need an eighties Swedish guy telling us how to run things when we have a new-breed of Swedish sexy: Backlund.

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#27 Avalain
October 23 2013, 01:53PM
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Monaertchi wrote:

Why can't he go to Abby?

Because there is a deal between the CHL and AHL. He can only go to the NHL or CHL until such and such age.

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#28 T&A4Flames
October 23 2013, 01:58PM
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@Rockmorton65

Seriously??! I think I am more tired over this Gaudreau anxiety that is out there than the seemingly endless Jankowski debate. I can't see him not signing because he may percieve this line of thinking.

Like Janko, its still too early to concern ourselves with this. JMO.

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#29 Dr. Philosophy
October 23 2013, 02:00PM
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I'm just happy I won't have to read any more craptacular articles on why he should be returned to the 67s.

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#30 Tony
October 23 2013, 02:03PM
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Monaertchi wrote:

Why can't he go to Abby?

NHL (not AHL) has agreement with the CHL to send all CHL drafted underagers (18/19 years old) back to their junior team if they don't make the big squad.

It's not going to change anytime soon as it looks like the agreement is going to be extended for another 7 years.

http://www.thehockeynews.com/articles/53922-Why-Sean-Monahan-should-be-allowed-to-play-in-the-AHL-this-season.html?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=thn_daily_20131022

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#31 the-wolf
October 23 2013, 02:20PM
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I was probably the biggest proponent on sending him back, but even I'm sold on keeping him up now. He's a year ahead of where I thought he'd be. I said he had to show he was a 2nd line center on almost any team and I didn't think that possible, but he's basically done that. Incredible. Here's hoping he doesn't hit a wall (not too hard anyways).

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#32 JaromeTakesSlapShots
October 23 2013, 02:27PM
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Hopefully Mr. Monahan can stay motivated to keep developing and producing. I just hope that he won't feel entitled and "safe" now that he is past his audition.

On another note: Anyone notice that Iggy is still goalless, yet leading the Bruins in shots? Iggy's brute force slap shots ain't working like they use to... I wish I can get paid 6 million for taking slap shots...

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#33 BurningSensation
October 23 2013, 02:40PM
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the-wolf wrote:

I was probably the biggest proponent on sending him back, but even I'm sold on keeping him up now. He's a year ahead of where I thought he'd be. I said he had to show he was a 2nd line center on almost any team and I didn't think that possible, but he's basically done that. Incredible. Here's hoping he doesn't hit a wall (not too hard anyways).

Same boat. He genuinely proved he can play, and keeping him around shouldn't stunt his development.

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#34 Prairie Chicken by-the-Sea
October 23 2013, 02:48PM
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BurningSensation wrote:

Same boat. He genuinely proved he can play, and keeping him around shouldn't stunt his development.

Me too. He's proven me wrong and I'm all the happier about it. He seems to be a special player with the right mix of maturity, attitude, and talent. There will obviously be many ups and downs, but I'm looking forward to watching captain Monahan hoist the cup in the next few years.

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#35 Justin Azevedo
October 23 2013, 02:48PM
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Rockmorton65 wrote:

Another thought, if they sent Monahan down, would that make Gaudreau think twice about signing here? What would it say to these unsigned guys if they are one of the best players on the team, but still can't make it?

no. it says nothing.

let's be real here. these guys aren't morons. they're not dolls. they understand this is a business and business decisions sometimes have to be made. plain and simple. having hurt feelings about a business decision says more about the player's inability to cope with a high pressure atmosphere more than anything.

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#36 Justin Azevedo
October 23 2013, 02:49PM
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kittensandcookies wrote:

Remember folks, they can still send him down to junior.

if they do that it will be a colossally stupid decision.

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#37 Justin Azevedo
October 23 2013, 02:52PM
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@JaromeTakesSlapShots

iggy's brute force slap shots haven't worked since, oh, 2010. hasn't stopped him from scoring. at this current rate, assuming about 10% shooting percentage, he'll have 30 by the end of the season.

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#38 ChinookArch
October 23 2013, 03:00PM
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I took a lot of arrows around here for saying he should go back, and I wouldn't have been disappointed, if the Flames chose to do so. At the end of the day, I'm happy to watch him play in the NHL, and I'm glad for the player.

A tip of the hat to Mr. Monahan.

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#39 kittensandcookies
October 23 2013, 03:16PM
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Justin Azevedo wrote:

if they do that it will be a colossally stupid decision.

Many people have assumed that after the 10 game period, he HAS to stay here, when in fact that is not the case.

That is simply what I am clarifying.

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#41 thprop1
October 23 2013, 03:28PM
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What are you going to do, they would have told the kid to "make it impossible to send him down" and he did so....you have to reward his efforts.

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#42 kittensandcookies
October 23 2013, 03:30PM
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@Kent Wilson

What gets me excited is that he's pretty sneaky... His plays seem to leave the opposition in a "WTF Just Happened?" state.

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#43 Parallex
October 23 2013, 03:30PM
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I figure so long as he gets his PP time Iggy will probably pot 25 or so.

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#44 A rye morning
October 23 2013, 03:35PM
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Sean Monohan knighted Corban Knight

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#45 A rye morning
October 23 2013, 03:37PM
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Sean Monahan taught James Bond how to defeat super villains and bed women.

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#46 prendrefeu
October 23 2013, 03:38PM
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So anyway, can we get rid of McDonald yet? Is there any worse goalie in the NHL? (Honest question, not just asking about the numbers, but more of actual performance)

...and is there any chance the Flames can get a great backup or better goalie situation with a trade during the season?

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#47 seve927
October 23 2013, 03:42PM
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Are we glad we didn't trade our 3 first rounders to Colorado? Serious question. Would you rather have Monahan, Poirier and Klimchuk, or one of those other guys? I'm glad Colorado didn't go for it.

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#48 JaromeTakesSlapShots
October 23 2013, 03:47PM
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As long as the Jarome can get his standard 4 shots per game, h

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#49 oldtimehockey4
October 23 2013, 03:55PM
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seve927 wrote:

Are we glad we didn't trade our 3 first rounders to Colorado? Serious question. Would you rather have Monahan, Poirier and Klimchuk, or one of those other guys? I'm glad Colorado didn't go for it.

That's a completely moot point, assuming we would have actually gotten O'Reilly back in the deal and he wouldn't have been placed on waivers.

You can't assume we would have had the 6th overall pick if we had O'Reilly, or that the trades to Pittsburgh or St. Louis would have happened.

Even assuming we made the same trades to Pitt and St. Louis, we would still have drafted Poirier and Klimchuk, but we would be without a first rounder in 2014 and 2015.

So I guess you could hypothetically look back at this trade in 2015 after we've drafted our next 2 first rounders, and see if we should or shouldn't have made the trade, but I'm betting most would have said Colorado won the trade.

EDIT: Opps, I just realized you were talking about trading the 3 picks for the first overall, ignore my stupidity and move on...

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#50 Prairie Chicken by-the-Sea
October 23 2013, 04:08PM
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@seve927

As much as I like Monahan, I'd still rather have MacKinnon than the three we have. Time will tell, as always.

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