Post-Game: Dark Night

Justin Azevedo
October 24 2013 09:26PM

 


 

A disastrous stretch during the second period sunk the Flames tonight as they failed to finish the first major road trip of the season on a positive note. The 5-1 score wasn't necessarily indicative of the game as a whole, as for the first 30 and last 10 or so minutes they kept up with the Stars. However, the result is the result and Calgary falls to .500 for the first time this season.

The Rundown

The period started off with a big chance from Jamie Benn right off the hop but a bunch of back and forth play resulted in a pretty tepid few minutes until Kris Russell completely abandoned his position to chase Cody Eakin (super underrated, by the way) and as a result allowed a wide-open Alex Chiasson to pot his 4th of the year past Karri Rämö. Really nice play from Eakin to draw Russell away but that's still not a move a supposed top-4 NHL defenseman should be making. I thought TJ Galliardi had a really nice period - he had two of the Flames' three chances in the period and drew a penalty on Kevin Connatton. Shots were 10-8 for the Flames (9-8 at EV) and chances were 3-3, all at even strength.

The second period picked up a considerable amount, though, as the Stars would put the pressure on around the 15 minute mark forcing Rämö to make a nice pad stop before the play turned the other way and a good rush from Lee Stempniak resulted in his 4th of the season. Legit snipe, too - it was a nicely placed shot just over the right shoulder of Lehtonen. From there, though, the wheels kinda fell off. In just over a minute, Rämö allowed 3 goals of varying quality. The goal that made it 2-1 came off of Alex Chiasson's stick as a result of a garbage giveaway from Chris Breen. The goal that made it 3-1 was a pretty well-placed shot from Jamie Benn but the Stars' fourth goal was pretty weak - Brendan Dillon scored his third of the year with a floater from the point immediately after a faceoff. The Flames reigned it in a little towards the end of the period but the damage was done. Chances were 9-4 for Dallas, all at even strength. Shots were 15-9 for Dallas, all at evens.

One more goal by Jamie Benn on a wraparound was basically the nail in the coffin about three and a half minutes into the period. Another situation where Kris Russell completely lost his man and as a result the puck ended up in the back of the net. A couple of good 5-on-3 kills were basically the sole positive from the period. Chances were 7-2 for the Stars in the frame, 4-1 at even strength. Shots were 11-10 for the Stars in the third, but 8-6 at even strength for the Flames.

Why The Flames Lost

Simply, they had a few breakdowns in the 2nd period and paid dearly for it. There were systematic breakdowns at every position on every goal. They didn't possess the puck enough and looked pretty listless overall.

Red Warrior

No one really stood out tonight, but Lee Stempniak scored his 4th of the season, so let's give it to him. He's had a pretty good season so far and might actually fetch the Flames a first rounder in March - so that's nice.

Scoring Chances

# Player EV     PP     SH    
4 RUSSELL, KRIS 18:59 2 6 02:28 0 0 02:13 0 2
6 WIDEMAN, DENNIS 19:30 2 7 02:35 0 0 02:19 1 2
7 BRODIE, TJ 18:01 4 5 01:05 0 0 03:15 0 1
8 COLBORNE, JOE 08:23 0 1 01:44 0 0 00:17 0 0
11 BACKLUND, MIKAEL 13:25 3 3 00:00 0 0 02:14 1 0
13 CAMMALLERI, MIKE 14:43 2 4 02:16 0 0 00:00 0 0
15 JACKMAN, TIM 07:37 1 1 00:00 0 0 00:34 1 0
17 BOUMA, LANCE 07:23 0 1 00:00 0 0 01:30 0 0
18 STAJAN, MATT 15:07 2 9 00:00 0 0 01:45 0 2
20 GLENCROSS, CURTIS 15:56 2 10 02:07 0 0 00:18 0 0
22 STEMPNIAK, LEE 14:39 2 8 01:53 0 0 00:25 0 0
23 MONAHAN, SEAN 12:43 3 2 01:43 0 0 00:25 0 0
24 HUDLER, JIRI 14:04 2 3 02:16 0 0 00:00 0 0
31 RAMO, KARRI   8 16   0 0   1 3
39 GALIARDI, TJ 13:45 4 2 00:00 0 0 00:56 0 1
43 BREEN, CHRISTOPHER 11:31 2 4 00:00 0 0 00:35 0 0
44 BUTLER, CHRIS 18:32 4 5 00:00 0 0 02:46 1 1
54 JONES, DAVID 13:54 3 4 01:53 0 0 00:18 0 0
55 O'BRIEN, SHANE 14:26 2 5 00:00 0 0 00:00 0

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Team Period Time Note Home Away State
Home 1 19:23 Benn 3 4 14 17 32 91 7 18 20 22 31 44 5v5
Home 1 15:57 Chiasson (Goal) 12 13 20 23 32 55 4 6 11 31 39 54 5v5
Home 1 13:17 Peverley 14 17 23 32 55 91 4 6 18 20 22 31 5v5
Away 1 13:02 Galliardi 12 14 23 32 55 91 4 6 11 31 39 54 5v5
Away 1 8:50 Monahan 6 21 24 28 32 38 7 20 22 23 31 44 5v5
Away 1 3:54 Galliardi 14 17 23 32 55 91 7 11 31 39 44 54 5v5
Home 2 19:42 Peverley 3 4 14 17 32 91 7 18 20 22 31 44 5v5
Home 2 15:42 Benn 6 12 13 20 24 32 4 6 18 20 22 31 5v5
Away 2 15:31 Stempniak (Goal) 6 12 13 20 24 32 4 6 18 20 22 31 5v5
Home 2 15:20 Nichushkin 3 4 10 32 43 72 7 13 23 24 31 44 5v5
Home 2 14:27 Roussell 21 23 28 32 38 55 13 23 31 43 54 55 5v5
Home 2 12:54 Chiasson 12 13 20 23 32 55 4 6 11 31 39 54 5v5
Home 2 10:35 Horcoff 3 4 10 32 43 72 18 20 22 31 43 55 5v5
Home 2 10:29 Nichushkin 6 10 24 32 43 72 18 20 22 31 43 55 5v5
Home 2 8:49 Chiasson (Goal) 3 4 14 17 32 91 7 18 20 22 31 44 5v5
Home 2 8:31 Benn (Goal) 14 17 23 32 55 91 4 6 8 15 17 31 5v5
Home 3 16:25 Benn (Goal) 4 12 14 20 23 32 4 6 18 20 24 31 5v5
Home 3 14:41 Cole 3 4 32 38 43 72 6 11 13 24 31 55 5v5
Home 3 10:26 MacDermid 10 23 32 43 55 72 7 18 20 22 31 44 5v5
Home 3 7:09 Benn 3 12 13 14 32 91 7 31 39 44     5v3
Home 3 3:39 Chiasson 14 17 20 32 55 91 4 6 18 31     5v3
Home 3 3:09 Seguin 14 17 20 32 55 91 4 6 18 31     5v3
Home 3 1:58 Horcoff 4 6 10 32 43 72 13 20 31 43 54 55 5v5

 

Period Totals EV PP 5v3 PP SH 5v3 SH
1 3 3 3 3 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
2 4 9 4 9 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
3 2 7 1 4 0 0 0 3 1 0 0 0

Sum It Up

Sven Baertschi obviously wouldn't have turned the tide of this game by himself, but it's even more disappointing to have him sit in the press box having to watch that.

The numbers are a little skewed due to the 3 or so minutes of 5-on-3 at the end of the third but it's not like this was a game the Flames deserved to win.

In terms of the goalies, Rämö is still by far the superiour goaltender (.915 EVSV to MacDonald's .899) even though Rämö allowed 5 goals at even strength tonight. He did, however, have a very nice sequence at the end of the 3rd while killing off a couple 5-on-3s.

I don't think I've ever watched a game between the Flames and Stars (or Blue Jackets or Coyotes) and been entertained. Anyway, the Flames play next on Saturday when Washington comes to the 'Dome to play on HNIC.

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Justin is a 23-year-old Flames fan who also happens to be pursuing a double major at the University of Calgary. He has played hockey at high levels, enjoys wearing shorts and tends to drink far too much Grasshopper. Please don't hate him.
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#51 Primo
October 25 2013, 04:31PM
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Hartley is starting to show his true colours for his desire to play veterans. That may be good for his own job security but not sure that is best for the team long term strategy of rebuild and development of the young talent. With Burke on board not surprising that this shift is taking place. At the end of this day I revert to these 2 guys who have won Stanley Cups and I believe are qualified to steer this ship.

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#52 piscera.infada
October 25 2013, 04:31PM
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@coachedpotatoe

"Take a deep breath everyone, count to ten and have a reality check. Many of us got overly excited after the start the Flames had and now we want to try and fix it overnight. The rebuild is going to take 2-3 years and if everytime the Flames get beaten badly we go nuts it is going to be a long ride."

I agree with this. Everyone I've come across has been preaching patience, and that's good, because as things stand now, we're going to need a lot of it. That said, I think a great number of Flames Fans need to understand that patience needs to be extended to both the coaching staff and management. Now is not a time to go soft, and say "well, these are young kids, stop the learning, stop looking for new players, stop looking for upgrades, and stop expecting effort and perfection." In fact, this may be the best time to be instilling that idea in everyone. We have to realize that as new as this is for all the players (young kids, and veterans with new roles) it is equally as new and challenging for management and the coaches. It is their responsibility to ensure success now and in the long run - that's not an easy balance.

At the same time, it seems too easy to simply say "play the kids, get rid of everyone else". No, you can't just do that - we've seen that story before, and it doesn't work. Development is about developing everything in these young kids - not just playing well, but being a real professional. Christ, a lot of these kids are 18, 19, and 20, if I had to be "a professional" at that time - let alone without anyone to learn from - I'm not sure I'd make it.

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#53 piscera.infada
October 25 2013, 04:40PM
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calgaryfan wrote:

Glencross and Stajan do not make the Flames an NHL squad. One is lazy and the other plays like a marshmellow.

I never said they make the Flames a great NHL team, but you can't just ice the Heat against NHL club and cross your fingers for great development. Give Glencross a bit, it's 10 games in. I agree he's been terrible, but he has the ability to be a leader. You also can't just trade him - those full NTCs are a pain in the ass, I know.

As for Stajan, he's played a whopping two games this year, split up by a 3 week injury. Is he part of the solution here? No. But would I take him getting his head beaten in over Monahan, Colborne, Jooris, Knight, or even Horak? You bet I would.

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#54 Ed Wailin'
October 25 2013, 04:42PM
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It's painful to see how poor the goalies are positionally...

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#55 the-wolf
October 25 2013, 04:55PM
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Kurt wrote:

Agree.

I think the problem is expectations. He is a great player probation every team in the NHL would want. BUT on a real cup contending team he'd be a third liner. Very valuable, offensive, two way, grit. But out lack of high end skill has unfairly put way too many expectations on him. By fans and it's probably gone to his head. I see him believing he is a top line/pp guy. Damage might be done.., once a player feels entitled and the fans turn it can be a death spiral.

I say give him some slack but I'd make it clear to other teams that we are open for business if they are interested.

I've never understood the fascination with the player. It's not a lack of skill. The guy is so fast and strong, and has such a great, powerful, accurate shot that he can release quickly and above decent hockey IQ. It's his work ethic. GelnX should be able to pot 40 a year with his physical attributes and yet when has he really ever excelled? On the 1st line? No, not ever. @nd line? Marginally, at best. When GlenX really ripped it up was as a 3rd liner, which is sad. To me, he lacks heart and if he'd agree to waive his NMC he'd be the biggest asset we could move at the deadline this season.

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I never said GREAT NHL TEAM those are your words. What is Glencross teaching the young guys, take as many games off as you like its ok. I have had enough of the old guard and their attitude. It is time for some enthusiasm and energy. I have seen enough of Stajan to know he is not a winner, gives up way too easily on pucks. Also not a good example for the new guys. There are enough vets without these two.

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#57 the-wolf
October 25 2013, 05:06PM
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Lordmork wrote:

Suppose Feaster could get a first-rounder for Stempniak. Do they trade him and take it? He's consistently been one of the team's better players, and while the first rounder for a "post-apex" player seems to be ideal, losing him is going to hurt in the short term, because I don't know who we have to replace him.

For a first? You have to. Especially at the deadline. The future is more important than a few more wins, but I know what you're saying. I wish GlenX and Stajan would play with that much desire.

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#58 the-wolf
October 25 2013, 05:10PM
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I never said GREAT NHL TEAM those are your words. What is Glencross teaching the young guys, take as many games off as you like its ok. I have had enough of the old guard and their attitude. It is time for some enthusiasm and energy. I have seen enough of Stajan to know he is not a winner, gives up way too easily on pucks. Also not a good example for the new guys. There are enough vets without these two.

I have to agree. While I totally understand and fully agree with piscera that you can't go the route of the Oilers, what's the point of vets who set poor examples?

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#59 the-wolf
October 25 2013, 05:15PM
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John wrote:

Without Giordano, it will be difficult for the flames. Defenceman with good skating skill and size don't seem to be easy to find, that is why Calgary should have taken Olli Maata, a solid draft choice for a defenceman instead of gambling on Jankowski. Maata is now starting for the Penguins, would have been terrific depth player for Calgary.

From what I hear, playing very, very well. Maybe the Flames should hire Pierre Macquire as their head of amateur scouting.

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I would disagree agree I don't think he has a 'above decent hockey IQ' at all. Glencross is a hard working guy with a hard shot and fantastic speed who can be a really great second or third line winger. But when the bounces and chances aren't going his way he sulks and thinks he's a first winger who needs a centre to feed me and generate the bounces for him.

I think just the opposite, I think he has a awful hockey IQ which is why he's a player who makes a great second or third line energy guy, but never should be reliabled upon for scoring.

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#61 Captain Ron
October 25 2013, 07:59PM
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the-wolf wrote:

I've never understood the fascination with the player. It's not a lack of skill. The guy is so fast and strong, and has such a great, powerful, accurate shot that he can release quickly and above decent hockey IQ. It's his work ethic. GelnX should be able to pot 40 a year with his physical attributes and yet when has he really ever excelled? On the 1st line? No, not ever. @nd line? Marginally, at best. When GlenX really ripped it up was as a 3rd liner, which is sad. To me, he lacks heart and if he'd agree to waive his NMC he'd be the biggest asset we could move at the deadline this season.

Yeah I agree he can be the next one out the door. I'd keep Stempniak over him. Hudler too. Not sure about Cammy though.

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#62 clyde
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A little off topic but a real hot topic on this site was discussed by Bobby Orr tonight. Did anyone watch?

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piscera.infada wrote:

"Take a deep breath everyone, count to ten and have a reality check. Many of us got overly excited after the start the Flames had and now we want to try and fix it overnight. The rebuild is going to take 2-3 years and if everytime the Flames get beaten badly we go nuts it is going to be a long ride."

I agree with this. Everyone I've come across has been preaching patience, and that's good, because as things stand now, we're going to need a lot of it. That said, I think a great number of Flames Fans need to understand that patience needs to be extended to both the coaching staff and management. Now is not a time to go soft, and say "well, these are young kids, stop the learning, stop looking for new players, stop looking for upgrades, and stop expecting effort and perfection." In fact, this may be the best time to be instilling that idea in everyone. We have to realize that as new as this is for all the players (young kids, and veterans with new roles) it is equally as new and challenging for management and the coaches. It is their responsibility to ensure success now and in the long run - that's not an easy balance.

At the same time, it seems too easy to simply say "play the kids, get rid of everyone else". No, you can't just do that - we've seen that story before, and it doesn't work. Development is about developing everything in these young kids - not just playing well, but being a real professional. Christ, a lot of these kids are 18, 19, and 20, if I had to be "a professional" at that time - let alone without anyone to learn from - I'm not sure I'd make it.

I agree with you I was just trying to list off what I think our current assets are. I know we need vets and some of the Flames are proving this, ie Stemp and Hudler upfront and Gio and Wides at the back end. I'm seeing great progress in both Backs and TJB and see them with a leadership role next year. Where my concerns lie mostly are with Glencross whom I expected more from. I also am willing to be patient with kids on the farm but my concern are the vets who are in over there heads.

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Is Hartley East Indian?

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Package Pete wrote:

Is Hartley East Indian?

I just googled it! He is French from Quebec with a very successful coaching record! Sorry if I offended anyone - it was not my intention Go Coach and Go Flames!

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Jankowski may never make it, but his goal tonight was pretty dirty! At the 56 second mark...

http://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&t=56s&v=iyLES_F16pQ&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DiyLES_F16pQ%26feature%3Dyoutu.be%26t%3D56s

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SoCalFlamesFan wrote:

I was not throwing Sven under any bus, but if ANYONE no matter how "special" won't get the team to the next level, we should acquire those assets that will give us a least a shot. I like the play of Sven but do not consider him an integral part of the team, as this point in his development.

Fair enough.

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J.P. wrote:

Jankowski may never make it, but his goal tonight was pretty dirty! At the 56 second mark...

http://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&t=56s&v=iyLES_F16pQ&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DiyLES_F16pQ%26feature%3Dyoutu.be%26t%3D56s

I think this is a big year for him. A little more physically and mentally mature...could be exciting to watch.

That being said, he might fizzle...but I really like the start to what, I personally consider, his rookie season. I understand it's kind of silly to say that, but he was a kid last year playing at a level far removed from anything he had seen before.

Given our drafting over the last couple years, I'm willing to ride with Weisbrod et al on this one.

Perfect scenario: Monahan becomes our awesome second line center! Ha!

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October 26 2013, 01:00AM
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clyde wrote:

A little off topic but a real hot topic on this site was discussed by Bobby Orr tonight. Did anyone watch?

Bobby Orr quoted CORSI stats from the first six games of the season?

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#70 Burnward
October 26 2013, 01:04AM
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/Burtch'd

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Lots of talk about bringing up the kids and letting them play. How many asking for this actually pay any attention to what is happening in Abby? Last night they win 4-2 and their top players are the guys we just sent down, Street, Horak and Smith. People are asking for Sieloff, Spoon and Cundari to be called up to replace Butler... none of them played last night, Sieloff is injured Cundari has not played for 3 games(injured or dog house I don't know, and Spoon healthy scratch or injured again I don't know) The two defenders other than Smith that might be close are Ramage and Billings. Are they ready for a shot?

People talking about the NCAA kids should do some homework on the NCAA schedule; our kids all play on teams hoping to make the Frozen 4 and my research says the F4 is after the Flames regular season ends. By the Jankowski scored again and Gilles won again, Johny G scored and Arnold got an assist; they tied the #1 ranked team on the road.

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#72 clyde
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Bobby Orr quoted CORSI stats from the first six games of the season?

No, supports fighting and the need for an enforcer.

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#73 T&A4Flames
October 26 2013, 10:57AM
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John wrote:

Without Giordano, it will be difficult for the flames. Defenceman with good skating skill and size don't seem to be easy to find, that is why Calgary should have taken Olli Maata, a solid draft choice for a defenceman instead of gambling on Jankowski. Maata is now starting for the Penguins, would have been terrific depth player for Calgary.

Jankowski scored again last night for Providence. Gilmour with 2 assists.

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