Random Thoughts - Flames Through the Early Going

Kent Wilson
October 08 2013 08:14AM

 

 

The new season is freshly born, and with it new sights and wonders. The Flames have burst out of the gate with a 1-0-2 start, which would be wholly disappointing if Calgary had not been roundly pick by pundits to finish last in the league with a bullet. Each game was a one goal affair and the Flames have led for long stretches of all of them. With a bit more luck, a few less errors or a bit more NHL-level goaltending, the club could easily be 3-0-0.

Here's some thoughts and observations after the first week...

- What a difference a shift in perception makes. Had the Flames brass instead decided to stay the course again this year, a 1-0-2 start featuring not one but two blown leads in the third period, there would be an angry mob already forming at the steps of the Saddledome. Instead, the faithful is relatively pleased with the club's efforts.

Given that reaction, it's kind of amazing the decision makers waited this long to shift gears. If you can't build a winner, it's a marketing coup to build a club that can meet or exceed very low expectations instead.

- It also helps that all of the games have been wildly entertaining so far, a marked improvement from seemingly endless years of slow, plodding, "off-the-glass" style hockey. The Flames are a Chinese Oilers fire drill in their own zone, their special teams need quite a bit of work and no one knows if they will even have average goaltending this year, but at least they're flying around with some gumption.

- That's the list of things the Flames have struggled with so far. On the good side of the ledger is a faster transition game out of their own end and through the neutral zone. One problem that plagued Calgary's top-six in particular the last few years was a slow, turn-over prone transition through the center ice, which frequently resulted in the puck going the wrong way and the team spending and starting way too many shifts in their own zone.

One of the changes that seems to be promoting the quicker counter punch is the mobility and puck handling of the blueline. A top pairing of Giordano and Brodie means the clubs gets the puck out of their end in a hurry. Wideman and Russell are pretty good at this too. More ice time for players like Backlund and Stempniak has also meant a more complete 200' foot game, at least when it comes to puck pursuit and backchecking. 

- Speaking of Giordano and Brodie, they have been outstanding at even strength so far. They are mostly skating against other team's top lines and have the best possession rates on the team. Giordano co-leads the team in scoring, Brodie is averaging over 24 minutes in ice time. They aren't merely suviving the tough sledding, they're excelling. If some people are wondering why the Flames don't seem quite as terrible as expected, look no further than the top of the Flames blueline rotation as at least some of the explanation.

- Wideman has also been pretty decent, although Hartley has him starting almost exclusively in the offensive zone at ES and he plays a ton on the PP, which helps. His frequent partner Russell is generally decent, but a true step back of the club's clear top-3 options. The former Blue Jacket is quick and good with the puck, but is prone to egregious errors from time-to-time and doesn't seem to be boast good decision making when things go awry. Already three times this season the opposition has scored goals while Russell has slid out of frame on his belly. Ideally he's probably a guy who should be a #5 or 6 in the rotation.

- Sean Monahan has had a pretty strong start to the season given his counting stats (2 goals, 1 assist) and hasn't looked out of place the last two games. That siad, he's also operating with an ES on-ice SH% of 13.3, which is bound to come crashing back down to earth at some point. Hartley has also made sure to gift the kid a 60% zone start, which is about as easy as it's going to get and his underlying numbers aren't all that exemplary.

In other words, things only get tougher for Monahan from here on in. I don't think he'll be able to keep seeing that favorable ratio of face-offs and the puck isn't going to go in at nearly the same rate all year. Keep that in mind as the team wrestles with the decision of keeping him up beyond game nine.

- Curtis Glencross has fine stats across the board, but he has looked awful by eye. Lackluster decision making and uninspired compete level all over the ice. I'm stunned most of his results are adequate. On the plus side, he's capable of being a lot better and will likely improve as the season progresses.

- Speaking of the kids, another thing that's probably floating their boat is Lee Stempniak, who for my money might be the best all around forward on the club right now. He currently leads the team with 16 shots on net in three games, despite mostly playing with a pair of rookies (talented rookies, but rookie notheless). At some point Hartley will move him up with either Glencross or Backlund and he'll help raise the performance of one of those lines as well.

If other clubs are smart, they'll start calling the Flames about Stemps as a deadline rental as soon as Christmas is over. Of course, one wonders if he keeps this up if Calgary will try to retain him as a veteran to stabilize things during the on-going rebuild instead. Naturally, that would depend on Stempniak wanting to stick around in that kind of role...

- It's somewhat gratifying to see read a lot of positive reviews on Backs from all corners of Flames fandom so far this year. He looked tentative in the offensive zone (like rookie Backlund) initially, but has grown more assertive over the first three games. Hudler's been picking corners which has helped his output, but it will be interesting to see how the line does once Cammalleri replaces Galiardi.

- On the other hand, new guy Joe Colborne has been pretty underwhelming. Hartley hasn't given him too much room to strut his stuff, but then Colborne hasn't done anything that would convince the coach to move him up the depth chart. In contrast, journeyman Ben Street seems to have become a new favorite of the bench boss. I always liked Street when I saw him on the Heat and he always struck me as player who would have high utlity in a bottom-6 role in the NHL. He probably shouldn't be playing against the Sedins in an ideal world, but as a third or fourth liner, he's much more useful than the Mike Brown's of the league.

- Some interesting numbers so far: The Flames are averaging 35 shots on net per game (!), but also giving up 33 (frown). Still, that's a positive shot differential. Huzzah! Their ES shooting percentage is over 11%, so expect that to regress at some point. Their goaltending is actually better at 5on5 this year than it was last year, but is still bad (.904). That said, it's actually PK SV% that has really sunk the club (57.1!!!). At the very least, the puck stopping short-handed should get much better at some point because nobody is that bad.

- Of course, let's keep in mind we're just three games in so making any sort of projections or analysis is fraught with caveats. The first 10 games of the season tend to be kind of screwy. People treat them as predictive of the rest of the season because it's the first bit of information about the new team, but it just isn't so. You usually have to wait 20-30 games to get any kind of real read on an NHL team, and even that is the bare minimum to say anything meaningful.

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#1 Mamie Jacouns LoveChild
October 08 2013, 09:00AM
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TJ Brodie - will be a top pairing Dman for a long time- Book it

Curtis Glencross-when do the Flames play the Oilers; that's when his interest will hit stride

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#2 Clay
October 08 2013, 09:08AM
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Karri Ramo has a 0.935 ES SV%. Thanks for coming out Joey Mac!

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#3 SmellOfVictory
October 08 2013, 09:12AM
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Clay wrote:

Karri Ramo has a 0.935 ES SV%. Thanks for coming out Joey Mac!

Unfortunately Ramo didn't make that epic paddle save the other night. I don't expect MacDonald to go anywhere in the near future.

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#4 Clay
October 08 2013, 09:14AM
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SmellOfVictory wrote:

Unfortunately Ramo didn't make that epic paddle save the other night. I don't expect MacDonald to go anywhere in the near future.

Paddle schmaddle. He wouldn't have to make that save if he didn't have a 5 hole you could drive a bus through.

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#6 Christian Roatis
October 08 2013, 09:24AM
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The perspective thing you mentioned is brilliant. Bang on. How pissed would everyone be if we blew a 3-0, 4-1 lead to the Caps and then a 3-1 third period lead to the Canucks and rebuild hadn't started? My guess is livid.

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#7 HongKongHockeyFan
October 08 2013, 09:28AM
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Lucky Number 6! I haven't been able to see all of top 2013 draft picks this year but it appears that the Flames could not have gone wrong in this year's draft.

I have seen McKinnon, Jones and Lindholm play so far (and have not seen Barkov and Drouin). Lindholm looks fantastic. He has speed, skills and smarts! From what I read previously, the Flames would have took him over Monahan if he was still available.

However, what I'm wondering what the Flames would have done if they had ended up with the 7th pick, which the Oilers got, instead of the 6th pick (and the Oilers took Monahan)?

Nonetheless, I will be closely watching the development of this year's first round draft picks to see who ultimately ended up with the best selections. Again it will be interesting to see who ends up being the best centre in this year's draft. Monahan might give McKinnon, Barkov and Lindholm a run for their money. Most of scouts have previously stated that those three definitely have the most potential to be elite first line centres, while the consensus seems to think that Monahan will only be good second line centre.

Any other thoughts?

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#8 Bean-counting cowboy
October 08 2013, 09:28AM
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Mark Giordano has looked like a much better player this year to me. I'm hoping last year was an off-year.

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#9 Bezer
October 08 2013, 09:30AM
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I am concerned but not ready to write Colborne off just yet. He seems a little lost at the moment. If he was at training camp I think he would be a lot better, he's just trying to catch up right now. It's really a bit of a pain that we can't send him down to Abby without going they waivers. I think he would benefit greatly from some time down there.

Also with Joey Mac I think we know what we are getting goaltending wise (900ish SV%). But I think when Ramo climitizes to the North American game a bit more he will be above the .900 SV% level. Although I am not sure if he is gonna be great or just adequate.

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#10 Vowswithin
October 08 2013, 09:32AM
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@Kent Wilson

As mad as I have been getting I keep reminding myself if you're not winning you're loosing... And that is what we are going for for 2 or so years.

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#11 SmellOfVictory
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Clay wrote:

Paddle schmaddle. He wouldn't have to make that save if he didn't have a 5 hole you could drive a bus through.

Oh I'm not saying he should stick around, I'm just saying he will.

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#12 Christian Roatis
October 08 2013, 09:42AM
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Re: Monahan the right choice vs other prospects from 2013

You can't make that determination for at least another few years. They're all 18/19 year old kids right now, what you see now is probably not what you get in 3-5 years. Not to mention a lot of the kids from that class that aren't even playing in the NHL this year.

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#13 Clay
October 08 2013, 10:04AM
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Maybe I'm biased, but Justin Schultz hasn't looked good this year. I struggle to see how Edmonton reduces turnovers when they have 5 players trying to win the game on every shift, eggregiously turning pucks over on 1 on 3s as opposed to getting pucks deep. I don't think they are good enough... or at least they won't win with that culture they have. Hall was pouting in the media that he felt he shouldn't have been asked to play center. It sounds like he tries to coach the team.

Here's hoping the Flames can steal some points from them this season.

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#14 Avalain
October 08 2013, 10:08AM
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Lucky Number 6! I haven't been able to see all of top 2013 draft picks this year but it appears that the Flames could not have gone wrong in this year's draft.

I have seen McKinnon, Jones and Lindholm play so far (and have not seen Barkov and Drouin). Lindholm looks fantastic. He has speed, skills and smarts! From what I read previously, the Flames would have took him over Monahan if he was still available.

However, what I'm wondering what the Flames would have done if they had ended up with the 7th pick, which the Oilers got, instead of the 6th pick (and the Oilers took Monahan)?

Nonetheless, I will be closely watching the development of this year's first round draft picks to see who ultimately ended up with the best selections. Again it will be interesting to see who ends up being the best centre in this year's draft. Monahan might give McKinnon, Barkov and Lindholm a run for their money. Most of scouts have previously stated that those three definitely have the most potential to be elite first line centres, while the consensus seems to think that Monahan will only be good second line centre.

Any other thoughts?

Well, in a perfect world I would have Monahan slot in as our second line centre behind McDavid. You know, the same way that Malkin is a second line centre.

Of course, those are some pretty large assumptions that I'm making there...

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#15 Kevin R
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Gio & Brodie have been awesome so far, I think getting the captaincy was the best tonic for rejuvenating Gio. I am really really hoping to see Ramage, Tspoon, Seiloff & Cundari get some prime time this year.

We need to see a run of Ramo, win or lose, watching Macdonald is like eating Kraft dinner when I was expecting BBQ steak.

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#16 T&A4Flames
October 08 2013, 10:29AM
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Kent Wilson wrote:

Guys, guys...MacDonald is just doing his part for the Sham for Sam this year. Give him a break.

Very nice . I prefer we will be bad for Aaron Ekblad!

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#17 jai kiran
October 08 2013, 10:32AM
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I know Colborne had a lousy first game, but I sure hope Hartley isn't going to turn him into the new Blair Jones.

I hope it's just the transition period, like Hartley says. Because Ben Street sucked in the faceoff circle the other night too, didn't put a point on the board with the "first line" and it would have been good to put Colborne in his place for a couple shifts...just to show the home crowd what he could do.

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#18 jeremywilhelm
October 08 2013, 10:40AM
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The shot on net stat is what makes me very happy and positive about the results so far. The fact that they can generate that many shots in a game, even in such a short sample size is very positive and will probably lead them to be picking out of the top ten this season with average goaltending.

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#19 Clay
October 08 2013, 10:44AM
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The shot on net stat is what makes me very happy and positive about the results so far. The fact that they can generate that many shots in a game, even in such a short sample size is very positive and will probably lead them to be picking out of the top ten this season with average goaltending.

This draft is a little underwhelming anyways outside of the top 3-5. I don't care if we don't get a lottery pick in the next few years, as long as we show steady progress towards something better.

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"- Curtis Glencross has fine stats across the board, but he has looked awful by eye. Lackluster decision making and uninspired compete level all over the ice. I'm stunned most of his results are adequate. On the plus side, he's capable of being a lot better and will likely improve as the season progresses."

Aside from the last sentence, this paragraph could have been written about David Jones.

And with the compulsory Jones "hating" out of the way, I find it amusing that the Flames are basically playing Ottawa Senators hockey right now. ALL the Corsi events!!

Brodie is awesome.

I am flat-out amazed that Backlund is that far down the team's Corsi ranking. But it's nice that he's played 21+ minutes in two out of three games so far.

@HongKongHockeyFan

"...while the consensus seems to think that Monahan will only be good second line centre."

Actually, the consensus is generally that Monahan will be a first line center--if only an average one (ie. not a "franchise" player).

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#21 Baalzamon
October 08 2013, 11:01AM
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"Aside from the last sentence, this paragraph could have been written about David Jones."

That is, aside from the last sentence and the part about "uninspired compete level all over the ice." I may not like Jones, but the guy works. I will not deny that.

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#22 thymebalm
October 08 2013, 11:10AM
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Can we not expect to see another option in net if this keeps up? I mean, Byrz, Berra, Orts, Brust, somebody!?

Although I thought Ramo played great in his start and didn't give them anything easy.

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"Actually, the consensus is generally that Monahan will be a first line center--if only an average one (ie. not a "franchise" player)."

Sounds about right. The book on him was that he would be a Bergeron/Toews type center. A guy that won't bedazzle you on the ice or win any Art Ross trophies but who'll be almost just as valuable as those who do with other aspects of his play.

The kind of guy who you'll be happy to have as your #1 center but who you'd be overjoyed to have as a 2nd line center.

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October 08 2013, 11:41AM
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Agreed. Remember what Phaneuf looked like as a rookie. He was awesome! but I think he topped out early by being more physcially mature than the rest of his draft class.

I wont be surprised to see the same from Monahan. The only knock on Monahan was that his projected ceiling wasn't as high as the rest of the top 6. he's a big strong mature kid. As such I see him reaching his ceiling (lower or not) sooner.

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#26 Robear
October 08 2013, 11:44AM
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Good results so far. I expect that this year everyone will be sunshine and rainbows and flying unicorns, as long as it looks like the team is trying.

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#27 Robear
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Good results so far. I expect that this year everyone will be sunshine and rainbows and flying unicorns, as long as it looks like the team is trying. But thats only because its the new shiny bauble and expectations have been altered. The real test will be in years 2 and 3 of the re-build as the shine wears off the bauble, people start to expect more and the team is still struggling. Thats when people will start getting snippy and wanting more out of the team, when the expectations should still be low.

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#28 palooza
October 08 2013, 11:44AM
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Good lord, sounds like MacDonald is starting again tomorrow via Steinberg.

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#29 Parallex
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Can we not expect to see another option in net if this keeps up? I mean, Byrz, Berra, Orts, Brust, somebody!?

Although I thought Ramo played great in his start and didn't give them anything easy.

End of the year. In my ideal world MacBackup is here so that Berra and Ortio won't be. By that I mean they'll actually get to play instead of having to frequent door opening duties.

I really hope that Ramo is back in net next game. For real no justification for keeping him out if the credo is "win and your in" like someone said.

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#30 Vowswithin
October 08 2013, 11:44AM
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Just wow.... Apparently Hartley us going with Joey Mc for the next game. One big save is greater then the loss. Man does the coach and management have a hard on for career .900 goalies.

If this continues I hope Ramo asks to be moved to another team that actually wants to build their goalies. Frustrating.......

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#31 Parallex
October 08 2013, 11:47AM
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Good lord, sounds like MacDonald is starting again tomorrow via Steinberg.

For real? Geez. *Rolls up newspaper* No, bad coach, bad. *Smack on the nose*

Hope, that's erronous. If not, Feaster... prod your boy some.

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#33 palooza
October 08 2013, 11:50AM
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Kent Wilson wrote:

I...uh...why?

Ramo hurting?? Maybe? Hopefully?

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#34 Vowswithin
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Come on kent! Proven goalie we KNOW we can get .900 out of him. Flames 2013 going for it

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#35 schevvy
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Well it's unfortunately true. This is ridiculous. At least give Ramo a chance

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#36 Jeff Lebowski
October 08 2013, 12:01PM
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With respect to Monahan's underlying numbers, I recall a shift he had during the Columbus game:

The Calgary line 47-23-22 started on the fly and was countered by Richards with the Gaborik line. The play got into Calgary's zone and eventually Gaborik got a shot on net from the right boards a little more than 5 feet down from blueline. Calgary then took the puck up ice (dmen started) and played in Columbus zone for remainder of shift. They tried a couple of times to set up Stempniak for a shot but he was tightly checked.

Monahan was his normal self, quick touches, not being a play killer and heading to the front of net. Even at 18 he's a load to handle for a guy like Wisnewski. Monahan just kind of leans on him.

Anyway the point is although the stat shows him being underwater that shift, he really wasn't. In fact, in terms of executing what you want : trying to create "QUALITY" chances in the scoring area, Monahan's line outplayed the Gaborik line. However the if you read the stat line you would think Monahan was hemmed in that shift.

Perhaps, on another shift he was hemmed in and over the course of the game the stat line is 'descriptive' of what happened on the ice.

I just don't see it happening a lot where he is outplayed. It happens for sure, some mistakes but when you look at his ice time, the shots he's generating and specifically where and how he is generating just 'seem' to fly in the face of 'underlying numbers'.

Regardless of where he starts, or how he starts (on the fly) he kind of ends up in the offensive zone most often than not. The puck is either being moved by him quickly or he puts on net.

And he's got that knack to win 50-50 pucks with a quick little kick with his skates or bump it up the boards to his winger.

Believe me, I understand the value of advanced stats in sports (the use, not the actual crunching - boring but I get the concepts) so I'm not trying to shoot down that data. It's just they aren't describing how he's playing shift to shift.

Over a season maybe a little more descriptive but still only directional.

The zone starts are more reflective of his learning opposing centremen in the dot. you look at his % and go 'oh man 44% - he's stuggling' but he wins 4 loses 5. Mostly on how adept he is already. Once he learns the league?

Is he improving at the same rate as in preseason? Hartley knows that. Maybe junior is in his cards but from my pov. His underlying numbers being less than exemplary is not accurate of his play. It's accurate on how unsophisticated that specific analysis is (ie scoring chance data, shot location, quality of competition including on the fly matchups etc) would be more descriptive.

I think Colborne just isn't at the same fitness level. With the new systems it's taking time.

I can't wait for a Flames Jets game. That way Kevin McCartney could break down the tactics. I think Calgary's game is all about puck support and 4 guys making a box around the guy who has the puck or defensively, the opponent who has the puck.

Calgary 5v5 production is insane. 12 goals and what 1 PP marker?

With guys like McGrattan it's fair I guess to comment about his mistakes but leaving out how he is skating, drawing penalties and not being just a meat head screams confirmation bias.

I see that a lot here. Things go quiet when people preform different than the way they precieved. Not honest, IMO.

I must admit, the season is playing out how I've wanted. The team plays well, especially the young guys, they score but their goaltending lets them down so they ultimately get a choice draft position.

I don't care about that anymore. I want them to have success. As much as possible. They should be 3-0 and if they could just put out some PP goals that would help.

For the love of all things sane, please do not trade for a goalie. The future in net is bright (Gillies, Ortio, Brossoit) and trading a young guy for more NHL wins now would weaken the future.

Just play Backlund and Hudler PP1 and let those guys gain the zone with possession skills. Or anyone else really.

I am extraordinarily impressed with Feaster and Hartley/Ward. I won't make this long post even longer but if you listen, really listen, to what they talk about in terms of how they develop and play guys at camps to how they handle guys with the two big clubs in terms of systems and style of play it really is something special. Maybe I'm reading too much into it but its different. Look at how players were utilized in Penticton compared to other teams - look at ice time and type (EV,PP,PK).

Listen to how positive the talk is (even crusty Burke - he's just more direct than flowering, effusive Feaster). Mistakes are acceptable if you learn from them. Always moving forward with positive mindset. I love what Gio has to say post games.

If you think this philosophy through in terms of playing with and growing confidence you might come to the same conclusion as me. We are witnessing something really, really great beginning here.

Blah, blah maybe it's all babble. I just see a powerhouse in the making. I know how premature it is to say that and a ton of work has to be done. However the environment this organization is creating makes me think it's inevitable.

People who really want to be good know they have to work hard and they want to be held accountable. Darryl used to say that. He's 100% right. Feaster culled the best from Darryl's regime (those that could thrive under the Feaster/Weisbrod manifesto). I trust my eyes and my gut. I could be wrong. Time will tell.

I really like what this team is now but I LOVE what they are going to be. Soon.

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#37 thymebalm
October 08 2013, 12:03PM
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Hartley keeps flinching on goaltending. MacD is not the answer. Feaster you really effed this one up. Why even provide that weak "safety net"?

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#38 SmellOfVictory
October 08 2013, 12:06PM
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palooza wrote:

Good lord, sounds like MacDonald is starting again tomorrow via Steinberg.

Haha told you guys!

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#39 danglesnipecelly
October 08 2013, 12:11PM
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Also ridiculous are the Bodog odds that Hartley is the next NHL coach fired and the rumours out of Philly that the Flames are desperate to find a d-man to play with Gio? Suggesting one of their high priced d-men could be coming here in exchange for Glencross. Huh what?

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#40 palooza
October 08 2013, 12:28PM
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Maybe we'll look back and MacDonald starting these games will be Hartley's early season mulligan much like Brodie being a healthy scratch to start last year.

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#41 RKD
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I'm impressed with the Flames because we were supposed to be 0-3. So far we are unbeaten in regulation. Sure there will be growing pains but the coaching staff has this team competing for a full 60 minutes. It's still painful to blow leads but as long as they learn from it. They need to instill a culture of competing consistently.

Trying or waiting to tank just to get an Ekblad, Reinhart, or McDavid and hoping they can turn around this franchise is a fallacy. There are teams who could be worse than the Flames this year. The Oiler kids expect their talent to carry them to the post-season. During the lockout, their kids played on the OKC Barons and they were still very sub-par. I couldn't believe how bad they played, they were just stat padding.

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#42 jai kiran
October 08 2013, 01:09PM
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I'm not the language police but it should be noted that the phrase "like a Chinese fire drill" is neither elegant nor witty but flat out racist.

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#43 Jeff Lebowski
October 08 2013, 01:16PM
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jai kiran wrote:

I'm not the language police but it should be noted that the phrase "like a Chinese fire drill" is neither elegant nor witty but flat out racist.

Yep. Didn't like that either. To each their own.

To be clear: I don't think it implies the person who uses the phrase as being racist. Other ways to say same thing is the point.

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#44 Rockmorton65
October 08 2013, 01:18PM
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@jai kiran

Are you aware what a Chinese fire drill actually is?

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#45 kittensandcookies
October 08 2013, 01:26PM
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Rockmorton65 wrote:

Are you aware what a Chinese fire drill actually is?

You'll be on fire half an hour later?

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#46 Kevin R
October 08 2013, 01:29PM
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danglesnipecelly wrote:

Also ridiculous are the Bodog odds that Hartley is the next NHL coach fired and the rumours out of Philly that the Flames are desperate to find a d-man to play with Gio? Suggesting one of their high priced d-men could be coming here in exchange for Glencross. Huh what?

Agree, Hartley aint going nowhere. The Philly trade rumours are intriguing as they are 1 team on the verge of making bold moves & I would love to see Flames be right in the thick of things. Philly cant score anymore with any consistency. Could Cammi be the target? Cap space would have to come back, like Hartnell? Some other pieces involved, don't see Coutts tearing things up, maybe he can be had? Maybe Philly would covet a Brossoit while they see what they have in Mason & Emery & we can add a Reinhart or Horak with a good D prospect(Cundari or Russell)to sweeten that deal. I think they would be a very interesting trade partner for the Flames. Cant see Glencross going anywhere or waiving his NT for that matter.

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#47 Greg
October 08 2013, 01:34PM
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T&A4Flames wrote:

Very nice . I prefer we will be bad for Aaron Ekblad!

I'm looking forward to when we have "no honor for Connor"

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#48 Jeff Lebowski
October 08 2013, 01:41PM
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Rockmorton65 wrote:

Are you aware what a Chinese fire drill actually is?

Do you?

"The term has been used by Westerners for more than a century, and is today considered by some to be mildly offensive.[9][10][11]"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_fire_drill

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#49 SmellOfVictory
October 08 2013, 01:59PM
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Jeff Lebowski wrote:

Do you?

"The term has been used by Westerners for more than a century, and is today considered by some to be mildly offensive.[9][10][11]"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_fire_drill

I wouldn't call that racist. The meaning behind the statement is drawn from the extensive differences in translating between English and the Chinese languages. Adding a nationality as an adjective to a common phrase doesn't make it inherently racist.

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#50 McRib
October 08 2013, 02:02PM
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Don't thin anyone has mentioned it so I thought I would... Mark Giordano's mediocre play last season was directly related to him starting a family. Head clearly wasn't into it after his first child was born last year, effort level caused play to drop off, IMO. No surprise he has refound form again this season.

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