Joey MacDonald Hits the Waiver Wire

Kent Wilson
November 02 2013 11:00AM

 

 

The Flames decision to claim Joey MacDonald off of waivers last year was understandable - with Kiprusoff hurt and a collection of career AHLers and Leland Irving to choose from otherwise, grabbing a seasoned (albeit mediocre) veteran was defensible.

I never understood, however, why they decided to re-sign him this off-season. A 33-year old career back-up/below replacement level tender isn't a useful asset from any angle. He's not trade-able and he's not going to get better.

After a rough night against the Wings yesterday and boasting an .885 SV% to startr the season, Joey Mac is going back from whence he came - the waiver wire. My guess is he isn't picked up by anybody and is shuttled to Abbotsford to battle it out with Joni Ortio. I expect Reto Berra to be called up for the Chicago game tomorrow.

Berra, by the way, had a hot start to his year in Abby, but has cooled a bit recently with his SV% sinking to just .908. Of course, he has only played in 9 games in NA, so we really can't be sure what his true talent level is. Worth a look at least.

UPDATE (via Ryan Pike): courtesy the official AHL and ECHL sites: G Reto Berra and D Chad Billins are recalled to Calgary, G Laurent Brossoit is moved from ECHL Alaska to AHL Abbotsford to back up Joni Ortio.

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#51 ?
November 03 2013, 11:56AM
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Veggie Dog wrote:

Can we stop beating the Regehr dead-horse. It was in a different era when we were saddled with so many NTCs and high cap contracts that we were up against it. Regehr was past his best, and we unloaded Kotalik on the hapless Sabres. Even if Sutter is mindlessly attached to him, we would not be appreciably better with him, and in any case, that ship sailed 2.5 years ago.

Still, BUF got 2 second round picks for a broken, slower, and older Regehr than the one the Flames traded to them. If Kotalik was killing the Flames' return to such a degree, the owners should've tried to loan him to a European league team, demoted him to the AHL, bought him out, or just eat up the remaining term on his contract.

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#52 Kenta
November 02 2013, 11:41AM
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Kevin R wrote:

Personally Kent, if no one picks him up, although the Oil should, I think he should be bought out before considering sending him to Abbey! Leave the tending to Ortio & Brossoit down in Abbey. That would make a phenomenal competing environment between two hungry goalies trying to prove themselves at the pro level. This is a no-brainer, its not like we don't have the cap space for the buyout. Stupid contract right from the start & we should have given Leiland & Taylor a shot before even picking him up last year. Both of those guys toiled for this organization & deserved that chance before being cut loose. Who knows, had we done that, we may have had Seth Jones or Barkov.

You seem to have mistakenly ended up on Flamesnation. Click the yellowish tab above for the site handling the team north up the QE2.

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#53 Jeff In Lethbridge
November 02 2013, 12:00PM
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What is the scouting report on Chad Billins, and why him over some others - any thoughts anyone?

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#54 coachedpotatoe
November 02 2013, 12:20PM
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Chad Billings has the best stats on D from Abby and based upon his size etc, is somewhere between a Russell and a Smith. Hopefully he gets to suit up and we can see him play for 10 games to get an idea where he fits.

Joey the Goalie; we knew what he was when we picked him up and we got exactly that. Good luck to him. Now we can get a better understanding of Ramo and Berra (possibly Ortio down the road).

The question is when are they going to do something up front. Having Jackman and McG as your only options upfront limit your depth and development.

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#55 ChinookArch
November 02 2013, 02:22PM
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Sounds like Berra might start tomorrow night vs. Chicago. He's travelling with the team. No better test than the current champions.

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#56 Kmp
November 02 2013, 02:27PM
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I think Ortio is the best of the bunch, Gillies not included. I think the Backlands demotion to the 4th line may be because of conditioning. When he was playing more minutes he struggled in the 3rd period and looked gassed. Just a guess.

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#57 Walter white
November 02 2013, 07:26PM
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ed wailin' wrote:

Walter White.... signing off with your initials EVERYTIME is really annoying...

Should I be more like everyone else? Try and fit in?

Kassian is the cheapest player in the league.... Like I have said before on this blog; players should be held responsible for the damage their skates do, just like their stick. Someone is going to get hurt really bad by this skate bs! WW

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#58 coachedpotatoe
November 03 2013, 07:29AM
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With the Leafs losing another center last night I wonder if Burke will put his nose into looking at another trade.

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#59 Scruffyfish
November 03 2013, 09:19AM
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coachedpotatoe wrote:

Just what I was going to report, add both Grandlund and Knight also scored in the shootout. I wonder if there will be a call up from the forward ranks to meet them in Chicago, Rhino also had an assist for all those haters.

I recall Reinhart had a mediocre year in AHL last year but was very impactful when brought up. Perhaps he is better than appears.

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#60 T&A4Flames
November 03 2013, 10:45AM
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coachedpotatoe wrote:

This of course would mean rolling four lines. I still don't how a guy like Hartley can't get this especially with a team in rebuild mold.

With a skilled but two way forward like Stemp injured for at least two more weeks his replacement needs to be a similar forward; by now it has to be clear that if you play McG or Jackman that you limit your forwards you can play. Bring up a kid who can skate and has some offensive upside and has demonstrated he understands how to play a little d. Heck even bring up one of the journeymen forwards as one last look; Byron, BJones or even the big guy we have given up on(brain cramp I can't remember his name) Anything has to be better than watching this.(except watching the oilers)

Knight would look good beside Backs. One can move to the wing. Backs played wing beside Berglund in Sweden during the lockout and killed it.

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#61 Caleb
November 03 2013, 11:35AM
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T&A4Flames wrote:

Anyone hear if Joey Mac cleared waivers or not?

cleared

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#62 seve927
November 03 2013, 12:02PM
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Justin Azevedo wrote:

I don't really care what the coaches response would be, honestly. until macdonald goes above .915, i'm right. also, I think you should probably consider never commenting like that again.

It was intended to be funny. Sorry to have offended you.

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#63 Johnny Be Gaudreau
November 03 2013, 12:13PM
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I firmly believe that you need to give a goalie more than a few games in the NHL before you just throw them away. I understand that we're in the business of winning and results are the outcome that drives decisions. However, we are in a rebuild, management has admitted as such. If anyone in management believes this team can sneak into a playoff spot they're not giving themselves realistic expectation and setting realistic goals for this season. Ultimately, Ramo and Berra need to be given games as a tandem they should each have gotten 41 games. Play them in Hartley's little 5 game stretches so they can get a rhythm going and you're going to get a more realistic ideal of what you have. If one proves to be significantly better than role with that pick but until they do just rotate them 5 games in 5 games out and let them gain some confidence in their abilities.

Personally i feel like Ramo has looked okay. He's been hung out to dry on a few goals and he's had one or two weak ones go in as a result of bad positioning which I blame the transition to a smaller surface for. These things can be ironed out though. He has the instincts and reactions that cannot be taught. The fundamentals he can work on. The issue will be confidence and if your god damn coach pulls them out every other game you will end up ruining a goalie.

@WW Trade Gaudreau for Scnieder?... I don't care if you're the drug kingpin of the south west come at me bro! You crey-crey

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#64 Steve
November 03 2013, 01:03PM
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@burningsensation

Don't forget the langkow deal for steps, that freed cap space as well could return us some young assets if feaster moves steps at the deadline. 2 draft picks could be a realistic return if he continues to play well. That was a good move on feasters part.

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#65 exsanguinator
November 03 2013, 01:41PM
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First off, why the hell is Granlund such a hard name for people to spell? It drives me nuts.

Second, the Regehr trade: was good at the time, got rid of him before he truly cratered in Buffalo, got replacement level players at the time for him and got rid of Kotalik's toxic contract. At worse this was an even trade.

Third, (Regehr part 2) the fact that LA got him for 2 second rounders is clearly a trade that had Dutter's finger prints all over it. You can't use that as a measuring stick for the Flames trade. In my mind it was a bad trade for LA and it was an even trade for the Flames. Two separate situations.

And lastly, here's hoping that Ramo and Berra can hold the fort until Brossoit is ready. I like that the Flames rewarded Mac for his play last season but 2 years is 1 year too long. He's not a starter, never will be but a one year deal to reward a guy that did a reasonable job in a pinch would have been fine.

I also want to add that these deals for some players that have such a divided reaction (Wideman, Hudler, heck, even Macdonald) the one thing that unites these moves are the teams that they have come from. Winning teams, with teams that buy in and have measurable success.

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#66 John
November 02 2013, 12:26PM
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Flames struggled a few years to find a good goalie before they landed Kipper. Looks like we are back to those days, where we can outplay teams and still lose because our goalie is below average. On one hand, you can see that the Flames stockpiled themselves with goalie prospects for just this scenario, but prospects can play well in junior or AHL and still not be NHL quality. Look at the Leafs struggle before they got Bernier and Philly,s now to get a goaltender.

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#67 RexLibris
November 02 2013, 12:38PM
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I wonder how that conversation went at the Flames office.

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#68 Baalzamon
November 02 2013, 12:57PM
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John wrote:

Flames struggled a few years to find a good goalie before they landed Kipper. Looks like we are back to those days, where we can outplay teams and still lose because our goalie is below average. On one hand, you can see that the Flames stockpiled themselves with goalie prospects for just this scenario, but prospects can play well in junior or AHL and still not be NHL quality. Look at the Leafs struggle before they got Bernier and Philly,s now to get a goaltender.

In both cases, those teams had a great goalie who they subsequently traded for no apparent reason. Toronto had Rask (!!!), traded him for Raycroft. Philly had Bobrovsky, traded him for... well, nothing really.

And anyway, the Leafs already had Reimer anyway, so it's not like they were completely barren when they traded for Bernier.

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#69 Captain Ron
November 02 2013, 01:19PM
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Kevin R wrote:

Hahahaha ???? Is that you Joey? Are you capable of reading a whole post? You're a funny guy. Have a lovely day.

Hey Bro you in a diplomatic mood today? You sound so nice!

Should have told him to pound! Hahahaha LOL!!

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#70 Jeff In Lethbridge
November 02 2013, 01:26PM
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Ryan Pike wrote:

He's said to have been quietly good in Abby this year. 5 goals and an assist over 10 games. He's a good solid depth option. Based on pre-season, I'd compare him to Derek Smith, but I haven't seen enough of him outside of pre-season to judge too much.

So, it seems he is an offensive, puck moving defensman that is smaller.

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#71 Ryan Pike
November 02 2013, 02:47PM
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MacDonald's not on an entry-level deal, so he can't be sent to the ECHL.

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#72 yomamen11
November 02 2013, 03:54PM
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Hallelujah!

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#73 coachedpotatoe
November 02 2013, 08:01PM
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Baalzamon wrote:

Another win for Ortio. 35 saves, three more in shootout. Blair Jones with two goals and the shootout winner.

Just what I was going to report, add both Grandlund and Knight also scored in the shootout. I wonder if there will be a call up from the forward ranks to meet them in Chicago, Rhino also had an assist for all those haters.

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#74 coachedpotatoe
November 03 2013, 07:10AM
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ngthagg wrote:

Bringing Berra up to the NHL makes a lot of sense. It's so difficult to predict NHL goalie success from play outside the NHL that I firmly believe the only way to go is to give goalies time in the NHL. Ramo/Berra will be a better fit with Hartley as well. His win-you're-in, lose-you're-out strategy makes sense now.

Regarding Backlund, I have no problems with him on the fourth line. There are excellent reasons for Stajan, Colborne, and Monahan being ahead of him (some of which are outlined above). It's his linemates that I object to. Young defensively responsible centers are not common enough for us to give up on Backlund. Surely we could find some wingers that can play a similarly defensively responsible style of hockey, while at the same time provide opportunities for his scoring to develop! We can't afford to go the route of the Oilers and only develop players with top line potential.

This of course would mean rolling four lines. I still don't how a guy like Hartley can't get this especially with a team in rebuild mold.

With a skilled but two way forward like Stemp injured for at least two more weeks his replacement needs to be a similar forward; by now it has to be clear that if you play McG or Jackman that you limit your forwards you can play. Bring up a kid who can skate and has some offensive upside and has demonstrated he understands how to play a little d. Heck even bring up one of the journeymen forwards as one last look; Byron, BJones or even the big guy we have given up on(brain cramp I can't remember his name) Anything has to be better than watching this.(except watching the oilers)

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#75 T&A4Flames
November 03 2013, 10:44AM
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Anyone hear if Joey Mac cleared waivers or not?

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#76 SmellOfVictory
November 03 2013, 11:47AM
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Veggie Dog wrote:

Can we stop beating the Regehr dead-horse. It was in a different era when we were saddled with so many NTCs and high cap contracts that we were up against it. Regehr was past his best, and we unloaded Kotalik on the hapless Sabres. Even if Sutter is mindlessly attached to him, we would not be appreciably better with him, and in any case, that ship sailed 2.5 years ago.

The other dude brought up the Regehr trade, so I responded. Kotalik also has absolutely nothing to do with Byron.

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#77 Veggie Dog
November 03 2013, 12:14PM
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@SmellOfVictory

I didn't mean necessarily you only, I was just replying to Regehr talk in general. Also, of course Kotalik is part of it. He was in the package. He was expensive, and rubbish. At least Byron is cheap and rubbish.

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#78 exsanguinator
November 03 2013, 03:41PM
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suba steve wrote:

Joey Mac is on a 1 year deal ($925,000).

Oh, I thought for sure he was on a two year deal. Hooray fact checking!

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#79 Ed Wailin'
November 03 2013, 10:09PM
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re: reggie trade

bear in mind that at that point in history we absolutely reeked of desperation to other gms... it was a ballsy move with no potential PR upside but it removed the handcuffs of "cap hell" allowing the rebuild/"retool" to begin.

also, I'm stoked on Russell right now, keep it up guy!

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#80 Colin.S
November 02 2013, 11:28AM
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Are College guys eligible to leave in the middle of their season by any chance.....

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#81 Ryan Pike
November 02 2013, 12:02PM
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@Jeff In Lethbridge

He's said to have been quietly good in Abby this year. 5 goals and an assist over 10 games. He's a good solid depth option. Based on pre-season, I'd compare him to Derek Smith, but I haven't seen enough of him outside of pre-season to judge too much.

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#82 mattyc
November 02 2013, 12:55PM
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@Kent Wilson

Yeah I agree. Seems like just yesterday we were talking about how the Flames have been exceeding expectations.

Speaking of just yesterday - I can't believe Rick Dipietro is 32(!) already.

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#83 Jeff In Lethbridge
November 02 2013, 01:14PM
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aloudoun wrote:

If anyone feels bad for Joey then watch his post-game interview… wow.

where is it?

never mind, i found it

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#84 Captain Ron
November 02 2013, 01:23PM
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Mac bye bye!!

Come back when you cant stay so long.

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#85 Walter White
November 02 2013, 02:50PM
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Can someone please complete the following sentence;

A hockey trade that would make sense to both sides would see Cory schneider go to the Flames for Jersey native John Gaudreau and........... WW

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#86 gotommygo
November 02 2013, 02:56PM
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According to AHL.com, Abbotsford has signed goalie David Harris to an ATO. HockeyDB says he currently plays for U of T. Must be the backup goalie for the Heat in their game tonight in Hamilton.

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#87 coachedpotatoe
November 03 2013, 07:36AM
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ChinookArch wrote:

For the most part, Hartley has done some very good work, since taking over. While the results are ultimately a credit to the players, Hartley has been a steady hand. Two complaints remain, first I'd like to see him trust, and develop the younger players, and sit vets that simply don't deserve the TOI they've received. This I think would improve, if he fixed the second complaint: his appreciaton of goons. By simply re-jigged the 4th line, and created another 3rd line with tons of speed, the team would impove. By my eye Calgary has enough talent to have 2 solid 2nd lines, and 2 solid 3rd lines.

By cutting McGratton from this team, and replacing him with GlenX on the forth, we end up with a dangerous and gritty 4th line, with the added benefit of elevating younger forwards up the rotation. Also, Backlund actually has a hockey player as a line mate.

Who replaces GlenX on that line? So you leave the Monahan and Colborne lines alone, have Backs with Bouma and GlenX and Staj, with DJ and??? a call up from Abby.(Youngster or Journeyman) I would be fine with that.

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#88 coachedpotatoe
November 03 2013, 08:23AM
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I have been looking at the Heat roster and thinking about all the anger towards Byron/Butler trade for RR; hard to believe that Byron is only 24 and many have totally given up on him. Nemisz is only 23 and he has also been written off by many. While I'm not advocating that they are great they are having decent seasons in Abby. By the way for all the Rhino haters out there he is now up to -4 but has points in the last 3 games.

Looking at the Heat roster boy are they young on the back end. Ortio has played well in his three games, won them all; two as a starter one in relief. Up front Knight is becoming a good pro and Grandlund seems to be adjusting to north american ice. BJones might be doing enough either to het out of Hartleys dog house or to have a trade value.

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#89 T&A4Flames
November 03 2013, 10:43AM
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aloudoun wrote:

Just when it seems it can't get any worse for the Oilers… it does. I honestly can't think of how they can possibly fix this. They have no depth, no defence, no goaltending and no character or drive on that team. The culture of losing is hard to break... Happy to be a Flames fan right now :)

And apparently no interest in trading anything of value (which seems limited to begin with at the moment). The only value they may move would be their 1st but given its current position, maybe not that either. Hemsky, yea, he should bring the top line D they want.

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#90 kittensandcookies
November 03 2013, 12:22PM
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@BurningSensation

You love this assessment? Virtually every team looks good compared to the 29th place Oilers. Might as well compare the Flames to a junior team.

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#91 suba steve
November 03 2013, 02:52PM
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@exsanguinator

Joey Mac is on a 1 year deal ($925,000).

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