FLames acquire Lane MacDermid AKA: Tim Jackman

Kent Wilson
November 22 2013 11:19AM

 

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Flames announced another minor trade today. This time they pick up 24-year old tough guy Lane MacDermid from Dallas in exchange for Calgary's 6th round pick. MacDermid was a 4th round pick of the Bruins back in 2009. His career high in terms of points as a pro is 19. He also regularly hits triple digits in the PIM column.

Which means the Flames essentially swapped old Tim Jackman for a younger version of Tim Jackman. There's at least a small chance MacDermid will develop into a functional 4th line mucker type (as Tim was in his younger days), but it's also possible he'll merely top out as an AHL-level enforcer (a la PL3).

I continue to be surprised that NHL GM's make these sorts of deals. Replacement level tough guys are freely available. They litter the minor leagues and they hit the waiver wire throughout the season...in fact, MacDermid was on waivers himself a few days ago. Calgary probably waited to trade for him so they would have more flexibility now that he's cleared waivers (ie; they can send him down to Abbotsford now)...but the whole thing seems like a waste of effort to me.

Oh well.

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#2 Blahblahblah
November 22 2013, 05:20PM
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How dare they fill a lost body on the Heat with a player the Heat are lacking. I bet this sinks them to epic proportions and ruins all the prospects so the Flames rebuild is never ending. They could have gotten a franchise player like Detroit did with that pick.

Twitter: Flames make a player transaction for a player no one knows offhand and/or his stats aren't perfect.

Blogger: Waste of my time to have to write an article actually discussing player or thinking about how he fits within the organization. Better just rhetoric this one.

Readers: oh my god blogger is right. Stupid flames. We had better all over react and keep up the Gritchart/Burke jokes. Pass judgement before he even plays a game and turn discussion into an off topic pissing match while proclaiming higher intelligence.

Yeesh. All over a 6th rounder and a contract spot.

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#3 suba steve
November 22 2013, 11:42AM
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Granted, it's not the aquisition of the year, but moving Jackman (old) for MacDermid (young) still looks like a net win for the Flames.

I know many would rather have seen the Jackman subtraction without the MacDermid addition, and that's not an indefensible position. But really, not a lot to get excited about here.

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#4 Funkyjaman
November 22 2013, 01:17PM
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F&$@ sakes FN. Are you guys really going to complain about a move like this? Abby needs size. With Jones coming up they took what little size Abby had. Not much to see here not to complain about.... Unless that's what you are into.

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#6 gussey
November 22 2013, 11:12PM
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This was exactly my thoughts. I couldn't be more bored of grit chart jokes or over reaction to acquiring tough hockey players.

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#7 MichaelD
November 22 2013, 12:07PM
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He was the one that fought Breen earlier this year, I guess they liked the cut of his jib

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#8 Jeff In Lethbridge
November 22 2013, 01:55PM
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I'd say he's more versatile than Jackman. Obviously. I'll go the extra block and a half and say he's more versatile than McGrattan. He's certainly no worse. He certainly made Breen look less the tough guy in their bout earlier this season.

All that said, he's been assigned to Abby. So he's filler.

You really can't expect McGrattan to beat up Ference. But you could expect MacDermid. And he's American. The Flames like the Yanks these days!

I dont care who fight Ferrance, including McG, as long as

A) Ferrence does NOT want to fight

B) they make him fight anyway

C) they get a few shots in before Ferrence has his gloves off

D) better yet, start said unwanted fight with any of the oils top 6 and follow stepd B and C... cause thats how the oil like to play the game!

Oiler fans would definitely respect it based on how they defended Ferrence.

Ferrence also jumped upshall last night same way... hitting him wih cheap shots before he even got his gloves off.

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#9 Parallex
November 22 2013, 01:16PM
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@everton fc

"You really can't expect McGrattan to beat up Ference."

That's EXACTLY what I expect him to do.

What the eff is the point of having a liability like McGrattan eating up a roster spot if he doesn't? So that he give friendly pats on the head after having a fight that had no reason to happen except as a lame attempt to somehow validate the combatents continued employment but not when one of our guys is essentually assualted on the ice?

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#10 ChinookArch
November 22 2013, 12:15PM
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Yesterday, I posted that Feaster should have been commended for getting a 6th rounder for Jackman. Hence, I'm now condemning him for giving a 6th rounder for Jackman 2.0.

Back at the chalkboard:

Hartley - "okay Jay, now dat we have Fort line winger, send Blair Jones to dat Heat. We don'dt need da guy."

Feaster - "What ever you say Bob."

Burke- "Who's Blair Jones?"

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#11 MichaelD
November 22 2013, 01:42PM
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Though I disagree with 'everton fc' because McGrattan could defiantly beat up Ference. I think your missing the point a little.

Ference beat up Stempniak because they went hard to corner and Ference thought he took a cheap shot from behind (he didn't but that's the motivate). It's part of the game and Stempniak stood in there and didn't back down, give him credit.

McGrattan's job isn't to job the bench and run Ference. He's there so guys aren't running around giving cheap shots all game, see Marchand against the canucks a few years ago in the finals.

Everybody just hates on McGratton and says there's no way to judge what he's preventing. But when was the last time you saw someone take a clear headshot or elbow on the flames (see Kaleta's hits). And not spur of the moment things or pushing matches cause thats part of the game. Hockey players are supposed to stand there and be tough.

If McGrattan had jumped the bench pounded Ference he would have a 10 game suspension and everyone here would be calling for his head, If he fought him later in the game you would have blamed the lose on him. So for god sakes give him a break and recognize it's valuable.

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#12 Walter White
November 22 2013, 10:51PM
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A 24 year old goon for a 34 year old goon seems like a good trade for me..... WW

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#13 Jeff In Lethbridge
November 22 2013, 02:02PM
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MichaelD wrote:

Though I disagree with 'everton fc' because McGrattan could defiantly beat up Ference. I think your missing the point a little.

Ference beat up Stempniak because they went hard to corner and Ference thought he took a cheap shot from behind (he didn't but that's the motivate). It's part of the game and Stempniak stood in there and didn't back down, give him credit.

McGrattan's job isn't to job the bench and run Ference. He's there so guys aren't running around giving cheap shots all game, see Marchand against the canucks a few years ago in the finals.

Everybody just hates on McGratton and says there's no way to judge what he's preventing. But when was the last time you saw someone take a clear headshot or elbow on the flames (see Kaleta's hits). And not spur of the moment things or pushing matches cause thats part of the game. Hockey players are supposed to stand there and be tough.

If McGrattan had jumped the bench pounded Ference he would have a 10 game suspension and everyone here would be calling for his head, If he fought him later in the game you would have blamed the lose on him. So for god sakes give him a break and recognize it's valuable.

I disagree on Ferrences motive. he was trying to be a leader and lead his team out of powder-puffery. he is trying to lead by example

as far as i am concerned he (McGratton) just needed to wait until his next shift and then slap the most valuable guy on the ice around a bit... neednt even be Ferrence

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#14 ?
November 22 2013, 07:25PM
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It gets boring while all we say is "well let's just give 'em a chance"

Thats how the Oilers got in their position. They kept giving Tambellini and Lowe chances.

I'd rather analyze every one of Feaster's moves and protest the ones I dont like while heralding the ones I do.

Plus, I live in Canada (like most ppl commenting on this site). We live and breathe hockey. Bitching and moaning about it is just one of the things Canadians do, we're just that passionate.

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#15 TRAV
November 22 2013, 12:54PM
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John Deere Green wrote:

I guess I'm just frustrated with this move as I don't know how to express myself here. Maybe it's the lack of actual hockey player moves, and instead having to read about nuckle draggers being swapped. The Flames don't need this guy. For crying out loud, put some young developing kids on the ice. I enjoy watching the young players trying to establish an identity and play for an NHL contract. If feaster keeps tinkering with fringe players like this, he guarantees himself long term employment cause he's never gonna lose a trade by a huge margin.I dunno, I was hoping for some impact to the roster this year. Maybe i'm just too damn impatient and dont want to wait till the trade deadline or the draft or free agency.Keep up the good work here on Flames Nation. Love this site. Read it and check it multiple times daily!

These fringe moves really are just that fringe. Somewhat uneventful. If you look around the league, there have been very few moves. I would say that the Smid move was one of the more significant. (not huge but it's been a pretty quiet trade front thus far)

I think that the time to see kids will come but let's not pull an Edmonton or Buffalo and dress nothing but kids. This is a proven way to wreck development and set the rebuild back. I for one am glad that we aren't seeing a mass early exodus of vets. Young guys are easing in and for the most part are being successful. Being a dominant team in the AHL and is not hurting anyones development at this point in time..

I suspect that we will be one of the more active teams at the deadline and that the last quarter of the season will see the Flames dressing many Heat callups. We are very early into a rebuilding process as rebuilds go. Let's proceed with a plan and some patience.

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#16 Jeff In Lethbridge
November 22 2013, 12:32PM
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farm team building... no biggie

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#17 everton fc
November 22 2013, 01:00PM
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TRAV wrote:

These fringe moves really are just that fringe. Somewhat uneventful. If you look around the league, there have been very few moves. I would say that the Smid move was one of the more significant. (not huge but it's been a pretty quiet trade front thus far)

I think that the time to see kids will come but let's not pull an Edmonton or Buffalo and dress nothing but kids. This is a proven way to wreck development and set the rebuild back. I for one am glad that we aren't seeing a mass early exodus of vets. Young guys are easing in and for the most part are being successful. Being a dominant team in the AHL and is not hurting anyones development at this point in time..

I suspect that we will be one of the more active teams at the deadline and that the last quarter of the season will see the Flames dressing many Heat callups. We are very early into a rebuilding process as rebuilds go. Let's proceed with a plan and some patience.

The challenge you potentially present to the kids when they get all the ice time and win very few games is frustration and, depending on the city or market, disengagement. I've always wondered if the Oilers have hurt their young players by doing this. Ditto Buffalo, neither a city free agents have on the top part of their destination-lists.

Dressing the kids on the farm in Abby, for short spurts to give them a taste of the NHL, not to mention seeing how far away they really are physically, and mentally, isn't a bad strategy, and one I think Troy "G" will deliver on. I like Ward. I'd like him to get a look with the big club. Maybe as the head coach someday.

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#18 piscera.infada
November 22 2013, 01:03PM
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TRAV wrote:

These fringe moves really are just that fringe. Somewhat uneventful. If you look around the league, there have been very few moves. I would say that the Smid move was one of the more significant. (not huge but it's been a pretty quiet trade front thus far)

I think that the time to see kids will come but let's not pull an Edmonton or Buffalo and dress nothing but kids. This is a proven way to wreck development and set the rebuild back. I for one am glad that we aren't seeing a mass early exodus of vets. Young guys are easing in and for the most part are being successful. Being a dominant team in the AHL and is not hurting anyones development at this point in time..

I suspect that we will be one of the more active teams at the deadline and that the last quarter of the season will see the Flames dressing many Heat callups. We are very early into a rebuilding process as rebuilds go. Let's proceed with a plan and some patience.

Some sanity! It's a breath of fresh air... Patience people, seriously. We're 22 games into our first 'true rebuilding' season. Moving some periphery guys around is entirely necessary.

I would assume that before one builds a castle, they need to do some housekeeping (wow, sorry about that lame attempt at an idiom).

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#19 theCalgaryJames
November 22 2013, 02:00PM
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ChinookArch wrote:

Yesterday, I posted that Feaster should have been commended for getting a 6th rounder for Jackman. Hence, I'm now condemning him for giving a 6th rounder for Jackman 2.0.

Back at the chalkboard:

Hartley - "okay Jay, now dat we have Fort line winger, send Blair Jones to dat Heat. We don'dt need da guy."

Feaster - "What ever you say Bob."

Burke- "Who's Blair Jones?"

If you`re gonna do a Hartley impression you have to add more `you know, like` in there.

example: `okay Jay, you know, like, now dat we have like a Fort line winger, you know, send Blair Jones to dat Heat. We don'dt you know, like, need da guy`

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#20 Parallex
November 22 2013, 02:00PM
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Okey... so Stempniak essenually being assualted on the ice for a clean check doesn't constitute a "cheap shot"? He doesn't have to jump the bench but he could have just taken him the next shift Ference takes. Goon boosters always like to say that they "deter" stuff... I don't see how McGrattan deters anything because he never makes anyone pay for anything they do (but I'm sure his post-fight friendly head pats are the bomb).

"But when was the last time you saw someone take a clear headshot or elbow on the flames"

Carcillo (I'm sure there have been others but that one sticks in the mind)... what a surprise McGrattan didn't do squat then either (nor later when he ran Ramo).

McGrattan doesn't do anything... he's not even a good goon (he fights fine... but he doesn't accomplish squat with it). At this point he's just a bad hockey playing sideshow.

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#21 Jeff In Lethbridge
November 22 2013, 02:15PM
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everton fc wrote:

I'd say he's more versatile than Jackman. Obviously. I'll go the extra block and a half and say he's more versatile than McGrattan. He's certainly no worse. He certainly made Breen look less the tough guy in their bout earlier this season.

All that said, he's been assigned to Abby. So he's filler.

You really can't expect McGrattan to beat up Ference. But you could expect MacDermid. And he's American. The Flames like the Yanks these days!

the last thing i want is a line brawl when McGratton is on the ice where he ends up beating up the whole team.

OK, I lied. Id like that! :-D

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#22 Primo
November 22 2013, 05:57PM
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How are the heat lacking a player of face punching caliber like MacDermid? They are currently 1st in the ENTIRE AHL without having that dedicated goon player/face puncher. If anything they need another point getter to replace the points that just got shipped to the NHL in Blair Jones.

This trade is terrible and the Flames and anyone who is defending this trade should feel bad for defending it.

And now of course I got tons of trashes yesterday for saying that the Jones recall was the first step in the trading of Backlund, and guess what:

https://twitter.com/DarrenDreger/status/404039272271204352

Now Dreger confirms that they are SHOPPING him, that means they are trying to trade him, not even that teams are just calling for him, but we want to move him out. Awesome, move out all the skill players and acquire all the face punchers, man I wonder how that's gonna turn out.....

Your comments are suspect at best...McDermid is far from being a goon. He is a big young kid who provides energy on the 4th line. He has toughness and will bring some grit to the Flames.

As for Backlund,..its old news what Dreger is reporting. You and Dreger are last to find out that Backlund has been out of favour for quite some time.

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#23 TRAV
November 22 2013, 01:38PM
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Parallex wrote:

"You really can't expect McGrattan to beat up Ference."

That's EXACTLY what I expect him to do.

What the eff is the point of having a liability like McGrattan eating up a roster spot if he doesn't? So that he give friendly pats on the head after having a fight that had no reason to happen except as a lame attempt to somehow validate the combatents continued employment but not when one of our guys is essentually assualted on the ice?

It's a long season and I expect that Ference will get some payback. Imagine the outrage if Grats grabs Ference in a 2-1 hockey game and takes an instigator. Would that have been better?

I'll eat my hat if someone doesn't have a bout with Ference at some point this season. On second thought...

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#24 DoubleDIon
November 22 2013, 02:33PM
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Ugh, at least we went one step forward and one back instead of two back...haha. For interests sake our last 3 6th rounders have been: Tim Harrison (too soon to tell), Coda Gordon (living in Swift he has good hockey sense, decent size and nice mitts, but is a poor skater. Kind of a Hanowski type), and Laurent Brossoit. I know I definitely wouldn't trade 2 of the 3 for MacDermid. We need to value our draft picks more. Colborne/Knight type moves are one thing, they could become actual top 9 NHL forwards at some point. Tim Jackman types can be signed any year your want them for 600k. Top 9 forwards make 7 figures. One is a valuable commodity, the other is not.

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#25 Parallex
November 22 2013, 02:51PM
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So then McGrattan is eating up a roster spot over a better player, eating up a reserve list spot that the team might want to use later, and getting paid 500K a year to pat people on the back/head...

McGrattan seems like a fine fellow and he has an uplifting story having conquered addiction issues but that's a piss-poor use of limited resources IMO.

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#26 Lober
November 22 2013, 05:20PM
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Wow...... per Dreger "4 or 5 teams have kicked tires on Calgary's Mikael Backlund. Flames willing to move him." Plzzzzzzzz don't trade Backs

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#27 Rubberbadger
November 22 2013, 12:23PM
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Feaster's discussion with Steinberg on Fan960 about team toughness and fight readiness was disturbing. Not what we need. We need goal scorers and goal preventers. More face punch receivers accomplishes nothing. Face Punch Receiving Index (FPRI) might be a fun advanced stat though... Face punches absorbed per 60 minutes of ice time.... or ten games for most of these guys.

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#28 Charleston Kingsley
November 22 2013, 12:47PM
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Very necessary trade...

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#29 Jeff In Lethbridge
November 22 2013, 02:09PM
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Parallex wrote:

Okey... so Stempniak essenually being assualted on the ice for a clean check doesn't constitute a "cheap shot"? He doesn't have to jump the bench but he could have just taken him the next shift Ference takes. Goon boosters always like to say that they "deter" stuff... I don't see how McGrattan deters anything because he never makes anyone pay for anything they do (but I'm sure his post-fight friendly head pats are the bomb).

"But when was the last time you saw someone take a clear headshot or elbow on the flames"

Carcillo (I'm sure there have been others but that one sticks in the mind)... what a surprise McGrattan didn't do squat then either (nor later when he ran Ramo).

McGrattan doesn't do anything... he's not even a good goon (he fights fine... but he doesn't accomplish squat with it). At this point he's just a bad hockey playing sideshow.

I both like and repsect Gratts, bet he isnt "dettering" many. Im still wIting for anyone to pay for their liberties

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#30 SmellOfVictory
November 22 2013, 11:27AM
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Damn it, they couldn't have used Anaheim's 6th round pick instead?

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#31 John Deere Green
November 22 2013, 12:39PM
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I guess I'm just frustrated with this move as I don't know how to express myself here. Maybe it's the lack of actual hockey player moves, and instead having to read about nuckle draggers being swapped. The Flames don't need this guy. For crying out loud, put some young developing kids on the ice. I enjoy watching the young players trying to establish an identity and play for an NHL contract. If feaster keeps tinkering with fringe players like this, he guarantees himself long term employment cause he's never gonna lose a trade by a huge margin.I dunno, I was hoping for some impact to the roster this year. Maybe i'm just too damn impatient and dont want to wait till the trade deadline or the draft or free agency.Keep up the good work here on Flames Nation. Love this site. Read it and check it multiple times daily!

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#32 everton fc
November 22 2013, 12:42PM
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I'd say he's more versatile than Jackman. Obviously. I'll go the extra block and a half and say he's more versatile than McGrattan. He's certainly no worse. He certainly made Breen look less the tough guy in their bout earlier this season.

All that said, he's been assigned to Abby. So he's filler.

You really can't expect McGrattan to beat up Ference. But you could expect MacDermid. And he's American. The Flames like the Yanks these days!

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#33 MichaelD
November 22 2013, 02:37PM
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Well that's my point Ference thought it was a cheap shot by Stempinak and wanted a piece of him. I love that Stempinak stuck in there after it was clear he didn't want to fight, but after that point it's on the refs and the league not McGrattan.

As for Carcillo remind me of the play, I don't recall and can't find a replay of what your talking about sorry. If none other stick in your mind then there you go.

By saying 'McGrattan doesn't do anything' is pretty nieve. Hartley said something like this in the pre-game tonight in response to a Jones question 'When you don't score 30 goals in a year, what do you bring to a game?'. When your next to a guy like McGrattan on the bench and he is sitting there giving you a pat on the back when he gets 5 mins and you get 15 mins, thats a huge confidence and a team builder. I'm sure McGrattan told Stempinak 'Good job' when he got back to the bench.

As for the pat on the head, I love that. It's two guys battling with their city's on their chests (cities? I'm not good with grammar), and a 'family' behind them. Then afterwards they give each other respect. You can not tell me that when you see a buddy who you workout with or go to work everyday with fight someone it doesn't get you pumped up or get you motivated. To us in the stands it might seem like a 'useless fight' but remember in minor hockey when one of your buddy's got in a pushing match or a fight, and you wanted to get out there and make difference. Well it's the same thing.

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#34 Lordmork
November 22 2013, 11:44AM
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#35 John
November 22 2013, 01:16PM
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this move for a guy who gets about 1 pt every ten games is like changing the water- bottle boy, it doesn't make any measurable improvement on the team. By hey, they use to play Semenko with Gretsky and Kurri so what do i know?

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#36 Colin.S
November 22 2013, 05:49PM
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Blahblahblah wrote:

How dare they fill a lost body on the Heat with a player the Heat are lacking. I bet this sinks them to epic proportions and ruins all the prospects so the Flames rebuild is never ending. They could have gotten a franchise player like Detroit did with that pick.

Twitter: Flames make a player transaction for a player no one knows offhand and/or his stats aren't perfect.

Blogger: Waste of my time to have to write an article actually discussing player or thinking about how he fits within the organization. Better just rhetoric this one.

Readers: oh my god blogger is right. Stupid flames. We had better all over react and keep up the Gritchart/Burke jokes. Pass judgement before he even plays a game and turn discussion into an off topic pissing match while proclaiming higher intelligence.

Yeesh. All over a 6th rounder and a contract spot.

How are the heat lacking a player of face punching caliber like MacDermid? They are currently 1st in the ENTIRE AHL without having that dedicated goon player/face puncher. If anything they need another point getter to replace the points that just got shipped to the NHL in Blair Jones.

This trade is terrible and the Flames and anyone who is defending this trade should feel bad for defending it.

And now of course I got tons of trashes yesterday for saying that the Jones recall was the first step in the trading of Backlund, and guess what:

https://twitter.com/DarrenDreger/status/404039272271204352

Now Dreger confirms that they are SHOPPING him, that means they are trying to trade him, not even that teams are just calling for him, but we want to move him out. Awesome, move out all the skill players and acquire all the face punchers, man I wonder how that's gonna turn out.....

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#37 Colin.S
November 22 2013, 11:35AM
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I think waiting to pick him up was also to find a dumping ground for another or their face punchers. With the 50 contract limit, they would have been at 47 without dumping Jackman first, and that's one thing that Feaster has said that I like, he's not going to go to 48 or 49 contracts which doesn't give him flexibility to make moves.

And maybe they were unsure of their ability to dump one of their other face punchers if they pick this kid off of waivers.

But still, what a useless pick up, I mean he's not even going to help the AHL team if his previous AHL numbers are any indication.

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#38 Lordmork
November 22 2013, 11:37AM
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Cheering for the Flames is sometimes a frustrating, one step forward, one step back kind of experience. Loved the Jackman trade. This? Not so much.

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#39 Scary Gary
November 22 2013, 11:40AM
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At least he isn't post-apex...apparently he throws a lot of hits.

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#40 everton fc
November 22 2013, 02:51PM
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Parallex wrote:

"You really can't expect McGrattan to beat up Ference."

That's EXACTLY what I expect him to do.

What the eff is the point of having a liability like McGrattan eating up a roster spot if he doesn't? So that he give friendly pats on the head after having a fight that had no reason to happen except as a lame attempt to somehow validate the combatents continued employment but not when one of our guys is essentually assualted on the ice?

That was my point. That's what McGrattan will do these days. This isn't the 1980s. He'd get a suspension these days.

I think a kid like MacDermid isn't seen as an all-out enforcer like McGrattan. So he can wallop Ference and it's almost a fair fight. Kind of like Tootoo or Neil going after Ference - much more fair than McGrattan. Ditto Carcillo. I'm talking optic here. McGrattan does the staged fights. He may be a deterant, but MacDermid's might be a bit more useful if he can actually play the way Jackman did a few years ago. And I think he might be a better scrapper than Jackman. MacDermid, I mean. But you look at guys like John Scott... I suppose a few of those guys give McGrattan a roster spot. But a regular line, every game? I challenge that scenario.

Hope that made sense!

I do think Ference felt Stempniak tried something cheap. So he [Ference] reacted. Happens. I'd rather have a guy like Ferland (potentially) on my bnench, than McGrattan, to address these issues, "these days".

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#41 Jeff In Lethbridge
November 22 2013, 03:17PM
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Well that's my point Ference thought it was a cheap shot by Stempinak and wanted a piece of him. I love that Stempinak stuck in there after it was clear he didn't want to fight, but after that point it's on the refs and the league not McGrattan.

As for Carcillo remind me of the play, I don't recall and can't find a replay of what your talking about sorry. If none other stick in your mind then there you go.

By saying 'McGrattan doesn't do anything' is pretty nieve. Hartley said something like this in the pre-game tonight in response to a Jones question 'When you don't score 30 goals in a year, what do you bring to a game?'. When your next to a guy like McGrattan on the bench and he is sitting there giving you a pat on the back when he gets 5 mins and you get 15 mins, thats a huge confidence and a team builder. I'm sure McGrattan told Stempinak 'Good job' when he got back to the bench.

As for the pat on the head, I love that. It's two guys battling with their city's on their chests (cities? I'm not good with grammar), and a 'family' behind them. Then afterwards they give each other respect. You can not tell me that when you see a buddy who you workout with or go to work everyday with fight someone it doesn't get you pumped up or get you motivated. To us in the stands it might seem like a 'useless fight' but remember in minor hockey when one of your buddy's got in a pushing match or a fight, and you wanted to get out there and make difference. Well it's the same thing.

Im 50 and the last time me or anyone of my buddies got in a fight was at least 30 years ago. its called maturity. :-D

i like and respect Gratts but i do not like the meaninless violence for the sake of chearing crowds who enjoy a little blood sport. the heat of the battle is one thing but staged fighting? no thanks... when Im at the game I dont evenstand up.

its going to take someone dying on the ice before it changes though. till then the bears will dance and Ill take the time to run to the biff ;-)

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#42 wineeditor
November 22 2013, 04:09PM
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I agree with Parallex, I think............ Any team's 4th line is going to play 6 minutes per game. If our 4th line plays more than that it means less time for the players who could make a difference. We are not deep enough to roll 4 lines for an entire game, particularly on the road.

If a 4th line plays even hockey that is all that can be expected. Our 4th line has basically played even so I have no complaints.

The 4th line is fine for prospects, tough guys and guys looking to move up the ladder. That is what it is and always will be. By all means move players in/out based upon performance or evaluation purposes but keep a McGrat player on the line.

We have McGrattan, not to come off the ice and avenge Stemp (that is up to the other players on the ice) because, if he did we'd end with a power play against us plus plus, which in a close game we cant afford. Also their tough guy would then come off the bench to avenge their guy getting killed and we wouldn't have McG to come back out,,,, ugly very fast.

In the last minute of an ugly game and the other coach puts out the goon squad would you rather have McGrats out there or Sven? Im thinking Scott/Kessell. That is where McGrats earns his pay. OK some of the "staged" fights aren't bad either! This may only happen once or twice a year but it is money well spent with your other forwards knowing McGrats has their back and that they wont be put into situation they cant handle,

McGrat is not a bad use of ONE roster spot. Two spots for a McGrats type, however, is one spot to many.

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#43 Parallex
November 22 2013, 04:17PM
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@MichaelD

But he's not willing to fight for you. That's the point... if he were he'd have gone out and mauled Ference or mauled Carcillo (or really any guy on the opposing team with a bit of skill). He'd have done something to send the message that what they did would have to be accounted for... he didn't do that, he doesn't do that, and if I were to place a wager at this point I'd say he'll never do that.

McGrattan doesn't do his job regardless of ones opinion on the value or validity of it. Near as I can tell the only person McGrattan fights for is himself.

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#44 MichaelD
November 22 2013, 04:39PM
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@Parallex

He isn't going out and mauling someone. He has to judge the state of the game, and when the time is right. Otherwise he'd have some suspension and everybody here would be ripping him apart. McGrattan is an amazing team player, and I bet the guys love being in the dressing room with him (as well as on the ice). He does do a job and that's why he's making 500K a year here, and not in California. We have to respect that.

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#45 Colin.S
November 22 2013, 06:23PM
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Primo wrote:

Your comments are suspect at best...McDermid is far from being a goon. He is a big young kid who provides energy on the 4th line. He has toughness and will bring some grit to the Flames.

As for Backlund,..its old news what Dreger is reporting. You and Dreger are last to find out that Backlund has been out of favour for quite some time.

Have you even looked at this kids stats??? No more than 24 points EVER in a season in any league save for what appears to be some sort of midget league or something. But in all those season he's managed to rack up some impressive penalty minutes. He managed to get 190 in a single season in the OHL and almost managed to break 200 the next year between two different teams. He probably would have had close to 160 or 170 PIMs in the AHL last year had he played a full season.

The kid is the definition of a goon. An "energy" guy will at least get some points with his goonery. If you want to look at what an "energy" type guy is, Prust is the answer, he had TONS of PIMs, but that guy could actually score as well.

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November 22 2013, 11:46AM
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Kent Wilson wrote:

Hartley, Burke and Feaster stand in front of a chalk board, grimly assessing a large, imposing chart drawn there.

Feaster: "Hmm, the gritchart says losing Jackman brings our facepunching, truculence and willingness to play through pain to dangerously low levels."

Burke nods: "Way, way too low."

Hartley: "We 'ave way too many kids on dis team for dat. And Euros."

Feaster: "Agreed." He glances at Burke..."Call Dallas about that MacDermid kid? His grit levels are reaching Shawn Thornton heights I've heard."

Burke: "Do it. Don't wait. We play tonight. Can't have other teams thinking this org can be pushed around."

FIN

Glorious.

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#47 Parallex
November 22 2013, 11:58AM
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I was going to give praise to Feaster and Co. for getting a draft pick for a replacement level facepuncher... I now heap scorn on them for essentually trading down for same.

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#48 seve927
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John Deere Green wrote:

I guess I'm just frustrated with this move as I don't know how to express myself here. Maybe it's the lack of actual hockey player moves, and instead having to read about nuckle draggers being swapped. The Flames don't need this guy. For crying out loud, put some young developing kids on the ice. I enjoy watching the young players trying to establish an identity and play for an NHL contract. If feaster keeps tinkering with fringe players like this, he guarantees himself long term employment cause he's never gonna lose a trade by a huge margin.I dunno, I was hoping for some impact to the roster this year. Maybe i'm just too damn impatient and dont want to wait till the trade deadline or the draft or free agency.Keep up the good work here on Flames Nation. Love this site. Read it and check it multiple times daily!

Pretty much my sentiments. But I do think maybe we're just getting impatient. It's a long season, I'm confident there will be at least one really good deal at some point this winter, hopefully several.

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#49 mattyc
November 22 2013, 02:24PM
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Guys... it's Andrew Ference. One 'r'

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#50 Monaertchi
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@MichealD

http://flamesnation.ca/2012/1/11/does-the-momentum-boost-from-fighting-help-teams-win-games

"To us in the stands it might seem like a 'useless fight' but remember in minor hockey when one of your buddy's got in a pushing match or a fight, and you wanted to get out there and make difference. Well it's the same thing."

Have a read of the article above, and possibly the 3 linked articles within it, and then tell me if you still think it's not a "useless fight".

And if your opinion is not changed, can you provide a reason that is not personal and anecdotal?

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