Flames Fan Ask - November 23, 2013

Justin Azevedo
November 23 2013 11:45AM

 

It's time for another round of Fan Ask. Go Dinos.

Q: If Backlund does get traded, to where and what kind of a return could we possibly see?

A: At this point, I'm thinking like St. Louis or Detroit would be the two teams most likely to be interested. The issue with trading Backlund - other than the fact that you're getting rid of your second best centre - is that you're not going to get anywhere near fair value in return for what he brings a team.

He out-possesses top-6 players. Theoretically, that makes him a top-6 player. The going return for that type of player is a 2nd or 1st round pick. I'll say at absolute best he'd bring back a second, but it would likely be something along the lines of a 3rd and a middling prospect. Not worth it. Unfortunately, I'm pretty sure a Backlund trade is inevitable now, so resign yourself to the fact that they won't get fair value. I'm pretty sure this is the next move to go down. 

Q: What the hell happened to Janko?

A: Jankowski's current scoring struggles were talked about in the last edition of our NHLE updates, and what I said at the time is that he needed to increase his shots per game. If he was averaging 3 shots per, the scoring struggles wouldn't be an issue.

Unfortunately, he isn't really even close to that marker. Janko's now dropped back almost to where he was last season (~1.7 SH/G) and is only averaging ~1.9 SH/G. He's still shooting 30%, too. Because of his talent we might not see that drop below 15% but that still indicates he's been twice as lucky as he should've been. The assists - or lack there of - are starting to worry me as well. The NCAA is 1/4 of the way through their season too, and even though Jankowski is getting PP time and Providence has scored 44 goals, he still only has the one assist. I'm still willing to chalk that up to bad luck but if he can't get assists long-term it suggests he's just a peripheral player.

So, in short, nothing "happened" to Jankowski, but he isn't doing the things he needs to be doing right now.

Q: Chances Monahan goes to the WJC?

A: I can't see them releasing Monahan to the WJC. It's painfully obvious that the people around the team expect them to stay as competitive as possible. You're not going to send away one of your best-scoring forwards if that's the case. Plus, he'd likely have to go to orientation camp, which is even more time spent where he's not on the roster.

I would send him to the WJC for sure, but I'm not the one in charge.

Q: Why are fans of the Flames franchise so defensive of Face Punchers, or make excuses for them when they are visibly and quantifiably bad?

A: I don't think that the love for goons is simply a Calgary thing. The reason people love goons is because, at some primal level, most people enjoy bloodsport. The goods provide.

They're uniformly terrible at hockey, though, so I wouldn't want them on my team. I don't buy that there's a tangible impact on a game after a fight, but some do.

Q: Why is Sven sitting at all?

A: See the two above answers. Sven makes mistakes (because he's 21 and he's supposed to) but in the minds of the Flames brain trust a competitive team can't make those mistakes. He really should have just played all of these past two seasons in Abbotsford.

Q: I have been curious what is up with Sieloff. How is the development of guys down in Abby, like Granlund, going? Also, what you think is going to happen with all our college prospects this season?

Sieloff is still recovering from surgery on his broken face. There is an infection and he's out indefinitely until everything is completely clean and healed up. In terms of the guys in Abby, I update the prospects NHLE here every couple of days. Granlund is producing a lot of shots, which is good. Knight has been the best prospect in Abbotsford thus far. Reinhart's scoring will get up to a PPG at some point so that's really good too.

Arnold and Agostino are the two seniors we really have to worry about. Neither really have the cache needed to be guys that are lured away. In saying that, Arnold is scoring at a really good pace right now and I've considered him to be a guy with 3rd line potential for years - so hopefully that contract comes soon after BC is done for the year. Gilmour has had a really good start, too. I wouldn't be surprised if all of the rest of them went back for one more year, including Gaudreau. 

Q: @thefanblogger was saying that Baertschi is on the block and will be traded before Christmas. Who do you think he'll be traded to and for who?‎

If they trade him now, they're just as bad as the Oilers are. With that caveat in mind, any trade that doesn't have, at the very least, a first-round pick plus more coming back is simply a massive waste of an asset. I just can't think of a single compelling reason for the Flames to trade him - which means that of course he'll be moved. All of this is thanks to Burke.

Q: How much wood would a Klimchuk chuck if a Klimchuk could chuck wood?

A: Probably 16.

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Justin is a 23-year-old Flames fan who also happens to be pursuing a double major at the University of Calgary. He has played hockey at high levels, enjoys wearing shorts and tends to drink far too much Grasshopper. Please don't hate him.
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#51 BJ
November 23 2013, 03:32PM
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Cant see either B getting traded... Backs is our shutdown center and Baertshi has a lot of potential.... that said they cant help a contender out enough that they would part with what we need to make a deal work.

I imagine they will still be Flames come the summer.

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#52 Kurt
November 23 2013, 03:39PM
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mattyc wrote:

Trading Backlund for a mid-round pick is a total waste. You're essentially trading a middle tier forward with some (potential) upside for a ~5-10% chance at getting a middle tier player in a couple years.

The only way I can see a Backlund trade worthwhile is if you trade him for a comparable player in a similar situation, and hedge your bet that the new guy will outperform the old. A "change of scenery" type trade. I'd have to think they'd be looking for a 22-27 year old Dman that's been pushed down the depth-chart.

^^ this. Completely agree. I prefer to keep Backlund. I think the expectations on him were/are completely unrealistic (I vividly recall people on this blog last year arguing he was a better player than Nugent-Hopkins...) But he is the type of piece we will regret moving IMHO.

IF thye do move him, at least get a player back. I loathe the idea of trading Backs for a middling draft pick. I remember reading the article below a few years back and its stuck with me. A quick Google search turned it up... (Its Jason Gregor from CoilerNation but fight through your urge to shoot the messenger... lots of good info).

If you don't want to read it all... the conclusion:

"It seems pretty clear that after the first round (60.5%) your chances of finding a decent NHL player become increasing lower. A second round pick will give you a 23.7% chance, you'll have a 15.8% in the 3rd round, only 8.6% in the fourth, 7.1% in the fifth, a little boost up to 9.1% in the sixth and 9.7% in the 7th round.

None of these numbers are shocking, but when people suggest that getting a 2nd rounder for "fill in the blank" is a good trade, keep in mind that you essentially have a one in four chance of turning that pick into a player. I understand that when a team is trading away an UFA that getting something is better than nothing, but unless that something actually pans out, the draft pick, in many cases, turns out to be a whole lot of nothing."

http://oilersnation.com/2011/2/25/value-in-acquiring-draft-picks

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#53 Walter White
November 23 2013, 04:56PM
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Backlund for Abdelkader. WW

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#54 Kurt
November 23 2013, 05:33PM
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@Kevin R

"Backlund, Colburne, Knight, Reinhart all could potentially be great 2nd line centreman" - Yikes... ease off the koolaide!

And comparing Yakupov to Daigle? What does that even mean? I get we have prospect envy here, but common... I saw a graph on TSN the other day saying Yakupov's stats after 65 NHL games are comparable to Tavares, Nash, Stamkos & Lecavelier. I can't imagine where the Daigle dig comes from except Oiler hate. Which isn't a bad thing, but a bit silly.

But I do agree being are undervaluing Backlund (after grossly overvaluing last year). Keep him and see what happens.

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#55 Kevin R
November 23 2013, 07:12PM
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Kurt wrote:

"Backlund, Colburne, Knight, Reinhart all could potentially be great 2nd line centreman" - Yikes... ease off the koolaide!

And comparing Yakupov to Daigle? What does that even mean? I get we have prospect envy here, but common... I saw a graph on TSN the other day saying Yakupov's stats after 65 NHL games are comparable to Tavares, Nash, Stamkos & Lecavelier. I can't imagine where the Daigle dig comes from except Oiler hate. Which isn't a bad thing, but a bit silly.

But I do agree being are undervaluing Backlund (after grossly overvaluing last year). Keep him and see what happens.

No prospect envy, like anything in my life I'd rather we do it ourselves. I meant that comparing Backlund/Colborne to Brodziak who really never amounted to anything is way of saying the player aint worth sh*t. I used Yaks comparison to Daigle because Daigle wound up being a highly rated dud 1st overall, so if that's what perception is, then what value would Yaks have if you compare him to Daigle. I personally don't think that but that's the problem when you start pigeon holing players as the same as others. Everyone wants to be compared to Crosby, not many to Brozniak. Know what I mean. & yes if Backs is only worth a 3rd or 4th then you would have to be an idiot to trade him at this point.

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#57 RexLibris
November 23 2013, 09:32PM
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@Kevin R

One last point about the Backlund Brodziak comparison.

You think Brodziak hasn't amounted to, well, a hill of beans, let's say?

Brodziak's point totals since entering the NHL are 31, 27, 32, 37, 44, and 12 in the lockout year last season.

Backlund's highest is his '10-'11 season with 25 and if we added together his games from '11-'12 and '12-'13 it would be 27.

The difference between the two is that Backlund has only recently been deployed specifically as a depth center whereas Brodziak has been classified as one for the majority of his career.

As I've said before, I like Backlund and I'd take him for the Oilers as their 4th line center over Will Acton, but if age weren't a consideration I might almost take Brodziak instead.

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#58 RexLibris
November 24 2013, 09:34AM
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@TRAV

Ha, just waiting to warm up before going back to shoveling more snow. Had some time to kill.

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#59 RKD
November 24 2013, 01:02PM
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Dreger along with LeBrun and Bobby Mac are top insiders. If he said 4-5 teams are kicking the tires on Backlund and the Flames are ready to move him then there's a good chance it will happen. Trading Sven would be a mistake, look at what happened to Monahan when they started Baertschi. Sean started going cold, he has chemistry with Barts. You shouldn't trade away chemistry. I feel bad for Backs he's had some injury issues in the past and that's hindered some of his progress. Trading away a centre isn't a good idea when the organization doesn't have depth there anyways.

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#60 loudogYYC
November 24 2013, 03:42PM
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@RexLibris

I'd prefer a package that included Sean Couturier coming to Calgary, but that's not likely.

I can see the B. Schenn scenario working, specially cause I think Philly would also like to dump some salary and that won't come cheap. I can see B. Schenn + L. Schenn for Backlund and 2015 5th. This would free up $3M for Philadelphia moving forward.

No matter what trade happens, I wouldn't move the 2014 2nd as it's gonna be awfully close to the 1st round this next draft. Flames will likely pick in the top 4 which would mean the 2nd is at least 33rd overall because of NJD forfeiting their 1st.

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#61 Jeff In Lethbridge
November 24 2013, 04:43PM
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EugeneV wrote:

Yeah but.... regarding Yakupov

Those guys were the first building block on their teams, and didn't have anyone to play with like Eberle, Hall and The Nuge.

Oh, except Stamkos who had Richards, Vinny and St Louis, which is probably not where Yak gets to but he may get close.

And if the Oilers want to get rid of him so bad they can have any 3 players on our current NHL roster except 23 or 7.

any 3???

just say no to crack!!! :-D:-D:-D

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#62 RexLibris
November 24 2013, 10:08PM
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@loudogYYC

Couturier is Holmgren's ace card. He isn't trading that for a handful of 7s and 8s.

When the Yakupov to Philly rumours were flying the discussions were Yakupov and a 1st for Couturier and maybe, perhaps, Coburn.

I don't think Backlund gets you there. It'd be nice, but unless you've got something to slip in Holmgren's drink before the negotiations start...

Just to confirm, you are suggesting that both Schenns could be had for Backlund and a 5th round pick next year?

Actually, if the Flames were being aggressive they might be able to offer their 2nd round pick to the Devils in exchange for a young player or prospect. It reduces the development time for the Flames and provides a more tangible asset than a draft selection.

That or explore trading a supposed second 1st round pick in this year's draft from the presumed trade of Cammalleri for a prospect or player. Outside of Henrique, Schneider, Zajac, Elias, Larsson and Merrill, I'm not sure if anyone there is really unattainable at that price.

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#63 clyde
November 25 2013, 07:50AM
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mattyc wrote:

They seem pretty into possession. Regardless, Babcock is an excellent coach.

They believe in keeping the puck for sure, they just don't worry about tracking it. He is a very god coach. We wouldn't be seeing our youth playing until he was sure they were ready too.

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#64 Ryan Pike
November 23 2013, 11:52AM
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I believe that Sieloff got a staph infection related to his hip injury last year, and then got an infection from the injection used to treat the staph infection.

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#65 Southern_Point
November 23 2013, 12:58PM
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Re: Jankowski

I'm interested if any else sees Joe Colborne as Jankowski comparable: both were drafted out of non-traditional junior sources after putting up close to 2 ppg in their respective leagues. Colborne started scoring in college at a slightly better pace than Jankowski, but still finished under 1ppg after two seasons before hitting the AHL.

Then obviously you have the style comparisons with Colborne at 6'5 vs Janko at 6'2 Both skate well for their height and have decent hands, but for whatever reason never put it all together, and yet GMs coaches go on wild goose chases trying to make them into the next Joe Thornton.

Yes Colborne had a decent performance last night, and a couple eye popping moves to score a goal and in the shootout in the two games before that.

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#66 RexLibris
November 23 2013, 02:44PM
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@Colin.S

The funny thing is, up until the emergence of Arcobello, Backlund was looked on by some rather covetously here in Edmonton as a solid 3rd line center.

Who knows, maybe if he'd had better linemates...

In terms of our range, I think Brodziak is at the top end and Colborne, at this stage, the lower end. Backlund, to me, sits somewhere closer to Brodziak than Colborne, but it is a narrow gap.

Hate to say this, and I'm not trying to start anything, but I'd get a good laugh if the Oilers were able to trade the 4th rounder they got for Mike Brown for Backlund.

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#67 Colin.S
November 23 2013, 03:21PM
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@?

I agree a LOT with your first point. But even if you have a lot of faith in your scouting staff there is not guarantee that the guy you drafted there ever makes the NHL for any number of reasons. So even if they draft a guy who could develop into a top 9 forward like Backlund already is, with injuries and all theres not guarantee he gets there.

The biggest problem I have with trading him for just a pick(s) is you have given up on a legit NHLer who is still young, in the middle of a rebuild for magic beans. The only reason that anyone says for a reason to trade him is because he doesn't put up big point totals. But for some reason the team doesn't want him in a defensive role because he doesn't fit the "mold" or something of a defensive center. That's what scares me the most, that if the player they drafted/traded for/acquired doesn't fit the mold they have thought of for him, he is dead weight, even if the player might be an otherwise legit NHLer.

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#68 Kurt
November 23 2013, 05:47PM
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@Walter White

I actually don't think Detroit would do that trade... But Flames fans hate it. Sort of shows the disconnect.

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#69 Kurt
November 24 2013, 08:06AM
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coachedpotatoe wrote:

Good to see Gilles back in net for Providence, they one again, NC lost but Johny G got a point. Heat win Ortio gets shut out, Granlund scores again. I'm wondering if all the chatter about either Backs or Sven is because both Knight and Granlund seem to be ahead of schedule.(Note i would not move either of them without getting fair value; Backs is 2-4 center who can play every shift, play PK and can drive possession and is more valuable than management seems to think, and it's tp early to give up on Sven) If this team is shopping around it seems what we need is a big strong defenceman who is about 25-27 years old or a skilled centerman.

Someone asked the question should the Flames allow Monahan to play at the WJHC, I would and here is my reasoning; while he is at the WJHC it would be a great time to see if Knight is NHL ready.

Here's a question. What happens when the Flames season ends and the Heat are in the playoffs, could Monahan play for the Heat?

One his teams CHL season is over Monahan is free to play in Abby. Regardless if he played NHL games or not. This is what if hoped they is with him along. CHL plus a cup of tea in the AHL, hopefully a deep playoff run.

That's what Edmonton did with Eberle (2 years in a row). One of the very few things I respect them for doing properly in their rebuild.

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#70 RexLibris
November 24 2013, 09:27AM
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@Baalzamon

I've always said the best plan is to create enough depth so that players can play at or even one spot below their actual ranking.

Backlund right now is about a 3rd line center. If your team were deep enough down the middle to use him as your 4th line C with some strong linemates (as opposed to fighters and checkers) you'd have a strong team. An Oiler comparable would be the Reasoner-Laraque pairing from years ago.

Yakupov and Ekman-Larsson are an interesting pair. The former is probably the more innately talented and still has a lot of development ahead of him. Ekman-Larsson is one of the top five defenders in the league right now. I'd make a one-for-one trade, or throw in another prospect to do that deal. I doubt Maloney does, though.

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#71 RexLibris
November 24 2013, 02:42PM
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So let me pose a question to Flames fans here: Assuming that Backlund is traded, which package would you prefer -

a.) 2nd round draft pick in 2014 b.) an NHL player in a similar situation, limited ceiling but stagnant under current administration c.) veteran player with expiring contract who could be flipped for a pick or prospect at the deadline d.) double-down and move Backlund and another prospect or 2nd round pick for a player in the range of a decent 2nd or very good 3rd line center or 2nd pairing defenseman.

I'm not saying that these are the only options that are out there right now, but if they were, which direction would you rather see the team move towards?

Best case scenario, in my mind, would be option #2 if Burke somehow was able to pull another rabbit out of his hat and trade Backlund (and probably a draft pick) for Brayden Schenn.

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#72 RexLibris
November 24 2013, 09:56PM
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@piscera.infada

Both Schenn's were 5th overall picks and one was recently had for a 2nd overall pick, so I'm not sure you get one for Backlund and a 2nd rounder.

I think even Holmgren would tell you you're crazy there.

That being said, targeting both might be something Burke would consider. If it meant moving both Backlund and Baertschi and getting a pick outside the 1st round in return as well as the Schenns perhaps the two sides could find something in the middle that worked.

Luke is a blueliner that hasn't lived up to expectations but is still young and often these players take a great deal of time to become something resembling what everyone believe they could be. Brayden has been playing wing but I think if they could move him to RW to complement the growing number of LW prospects they have.

I know some fans are going to hate the mere mention of moving both Backlund and Baertschi, but I only mention it because I'm lead to believe that Burke is orchestrating things to some extent and is not a big fan of either player.

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#73 TheoForever
November 24 2013, 10:31PM
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Don't like a trade involving Baerrtschi period. Luke absolutely sucks. It would be nice to have his brother but don't like the price.

Trading Backlund at this time is sort of stupid in general. Never deal from position of weakness. In general I would let go of Backlund as he simply doesn't fit in long term. Not enough offensive upside for top 6 and not tough enough for the bottom 6. I would like to see him on the wing, he had success playing the wing during the lockout if I'm not mistaken.

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#74 the-wolf
November 25 2013, 10:59AM
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SoCalFlamesFan wrote:

2) Baertschi has been given more ice time the last few games. Even more than Colborne. I know, I hate it when facts get in the way of a good rant.

Yet I don't remember Colborne being benched or playing 4min/game either. Facts, indeed.

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#75 the-wolf
November 25 2013, 11:02AM
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@SoCalFlamesFan

It's the difference in how they're treated when they mistakes that I was so obviously getting at. I know, I hate it when a easily grasped point gets in the way of somone trying hard to be witty.

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#76 Colin.S
November 23 2013, 02:23PM
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@RexLibris

I think most people here at FN hold Backlund in higher regard that most outside the site because we know what else he brings to the table besides points.

However when you look at the Brodziaks and Colborne's, he probably fits right in there. He's going to fetch at BEST by himself a third round pick, maybe a second if is a team that picking in the 55-60 range. But the realistic expectation from me is a fourth, that's where I set the bar. The sad part is, that's what he's probably gonna get, and the guys at the Fan960 and other places will say it's a good trade because he was never going to be more than 3rd/4th line guy here and we need more picks in the rebuild. Meanwhile with the 4th they pick another face puncher because grit chart.

I hope if they do trade him, they can put him a package of sorts that doesn't include our 1st/2nd rounder this year but maybe will get a much better pick/prospect than what Backlund will get by himself.

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#77 ?
November 23 2013, 04:32PM
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MichaelD wrote:

I've heard that Evander Kane may also be on the trading block. Do you think theres a potential move there?

If there is, I believe that Feaster/Burke would probably have to include Baertschi or Monahan in any trade scenario, or their 2014/2015 first rounder.

If Jets were looking to trade Kane, I could see a trade looking like this between them and CGY (Note, this is a scenario that I think MIGHT look like, not necessarily SHOULD):

Baertschi, Backlund, and a 2nd rounder (if Feaster hasn't already dealt it ala Darryl lol)

for

E. Kane

Interesting deal...? Personally, if that were on the table and I was WPG, I'd probably decline. Kane is their franchise player

EDIT: Obviously, Kane being legitimately on the market would be HUGE around the NHL. 4th overall in 09 I think, and a young guy who looks like he could be a legit star.

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#78 ?
November 23 2013, 05:21PM
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@Kevin R

I think the impact of Mikael Backlund on this team is enormous, no doubt. Without him, the club loses alot of depth and experience at centre in a hurry; he is

a) The club's best possession forward

b) An excellent penalty killer

c) The club's best shutdown centerman

Having said all of that, I don't think many teams in the NHL are going to pay a premium price for a young shutdown centerman who has never surpassed 25 points in a single season in the NHL (of course, last year he was on pace for a 41pt campaign over a full 82 game schedule, so take 25pts with a grain of salt).

In addition, I'm sure most GMs across the league know that Backlund has spent time on the 4th line this season. That sounds like "buy low" territory if you ask me. I don't think we can expect a first rounder for Backs if he gets dealt, but you never know I guess. Will certainly be interesting to see what Feaster does.

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#79 MichaelD
November 23 2013, 05:42PM
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@?

I agree. I wouldn't like to see Backlund of Barertschi traded, but if it turns out Burke is showing them the door then this would be the type of deal i would like to see Feaster make.

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#80 jeremywilhelm
November 24 2013, 04:42AM
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@thefanblogger is a certifiable moron, do not worry about anything that guys tweets.

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#81 coachedpotatoe
November 24 2013, 07:23AM
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Oops; one was supposed to be won and NC should read BC, way to early in the morning without a cup of coffee.

Who from the Flames will play during the Olympics; I suspect Hudler for sure, Berra a strong possibility, where does Sven fit in. I'm not sure anyone else gets an invite.

That two week break will probably be good for Monahan as it is often suggested that rookies struggle near the end of the season because of fatigue.

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#82 EugeneV
November 24 2013, 10:27AM
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Kurt wrote:

"Backlund, Colburne, Knight, Reinhart all could potentially be great 2nd line centreman" - Yikes... ease off the koolaide!

And comparing Yakupov to Daigle? What does that even mean? I get we have prospect envy here, but common... I saw a graph on TSN the other day saying Yakupov's stats after 65 NHL games are comparable to Tavares, Nash, Stamkos & Lecavelier. I can't imagine where the Daigle dig comes from except Oiler hate. Which isn't a bad thing, but a bit silly.

But I do agree being are undervaluing Backlund (after grossly overvaluing last year). Keep him and see what happens.

Yeah but.... regarding Yakupov

Those guys were the first building block on their teams, and didn't have anyone to play with like Eberle, Hall and The Nuge.

Oh, except Stamkos who had Richards, Vinny and St Louis, which is probably not where Yak gets to but he may get close.

And if the Oilers want to get rid of him so bad they can have any 3 players on our current NHL roster except 23 or 7.

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#83 redricardo
November 24 2013, 03:07PM
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@RexLibris

By far B. Brayden Schenn would be awesome.

As I said in my previous post, the leaugue is littered with young players that were either given up on or misused by the previous team. If he is traded, Backlund will be one of those too.

Getting one back is best case scenario. Asset for asset. If we're selling low, find someone else who's selling low.

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#84 mattyc
November 24 2013, 07:40PM
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clyde wrote:

The Detroit brass isn't big on the Advanced Stats thing so I don't know if you want that.

They seem pretty into possession. Regardless, Babcock is an excellent coach.

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#85 piscera.infada
November 24 2013, 09:39PM
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Baalzamon wrote:

Schenn is a center. He may be playing wing right now, but at worst the team could convert him to the right side and move Jones back to the middle. Or maybe call up Knight.

I don't know why the Flyers would move him, to be honest. He's second on the team in points.

Totally agree, I don't know why either. It has however, been discussed. I can't remember whether it was Dreger, Le Brun, or Mackenzie that was saying that B. Schenn is on the table if there is a package to take some salary, and send back a young roster player.

...And thanks for the heads up on him being a centre. I remember him playing centre when he was in Junior, but I just kind of assumed it didn't work out, or whatever in the show.

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#86 vowswithin
November 23 2013, 11:54AM
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Q: How much wood would a Klimchuk chuck if a Klimchuk could chuck wood?

A: Probably 16.

Yes I strike again! ;-)

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#87 vowswithin
November 23 2013, 11:57AM
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@Ryan Pike

Also when can I hear another three a$$holes podcast?

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#88 MichaelD
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I've heard that Evander Kane may also be on the trading block. Do you think theres a potential move there?

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#89 Colin.S
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I like that option opposed to a mid round pick because at least you may get some half decent value, where as the pick like you say is at best a 10% chance of making the NHL nevermind actually making some sort of impact.

Another suggestion is you can trade him for an older player that you can flip at the deadline. Doing that might acquire you a better pick in the end.

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I absolutely agree. The only reason I mention the scouting staff is because I think the Flames mgmt (Feaster, mostly) has a lot of faith in the new scouting approach of the Flames. I believe that if Backs is moved for a 4th round pick and a 'Ben Hanowski caliber' prospect, which I think would be a total backwards move by the org, Feaster might be ok with it because it gives CGY another kick at the can to grab another Johny Gaudreau late round steal.

Obviously, a lot of that is just speculation on my part, seeing as I don't actually know if Feaster trusts his staff enough to give up on a legit NHLer like Backs for magic beans, as you said.

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#91 seve927
November 24 2013, 08:03AM
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Anyone know why neither Cundari or Wotherspoon have played the last couple of games for the Heat?

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Cundari, I have no idea. Wotherspoon has been a scratch ever since Breen was sent down for his most recent conditioning stint IIRC.

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Best case scenario, in my mind, would be option #2 if Burke somehow was able to pull another rabbit out of his hat and trade Backlund (and probably a draft pick) for Brayden Schenn.

That's actually been something I've been thinking could happen. Apparently both Schenn's are on the block. So maybe you say B. Schenn & and eat L. Schenn contract for Backlund and a Second. It alleviates a little over 3 million for Philly, and we can play L. Schenn this year, and buy him out if necessary. The only drawback I can see is, B. Schenn is a leftwing, IIRC. So there's that. But, you likely re-coup the second round pick in a later trade (ie: Cammy), thus not a huge deal - if you felt it necessary maybe you ask Philly for a 3rd or 4th as compensation for the 2nd.

A little pie in the sky sure, but I dunno, just spit-ballling. Not that I think this deal get's done, but I think if the Flames are going to trade Backlund, that's the kind of thing you're going to see. They're not going to trade him straight-up for a pick.

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Jeff In Lethbridge wrote:

any 3???

just say no to crack!!! :-D:-D:-D

As it says ANY 3 on the "NHL ROSTER" except 23 & 7

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#95 loudogYYC
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They believe in keeping the puck for sure, they just don't worry about tracking it. He is a very god coach. We wouldn't be seeing our youth playing until he was sure they were ready too.

Who ever said the Red Wings don't pay attention to possession stats? That team is all about possession, I don't believe for one minute they're not versed in #fancystats.

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#96 clyde
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loudogYYC wrote:

Who ever said the Red Wings don't pay attention to possession stats? That team is all about possession, I don't believe for one minute they're not versed in #fancystats.

One of their coaches said they don't when I asked him. I do believe him because he is a former teammate and friend. You can believe what you want though.

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