Post-Game: Flames Win! Flames Win!

Ryan Pike
November 30 2013 11:04PM

After a sub-par effort in Anaheim against the Ducks, the Calgary Flames headed to Los Angeles hoping for a better result, particularly with the team's dads along for the road trip. With a few line-up changes (Karri Ramo, Shane O'Brien and Paul Byron in; Reto Berra, Chris Breen and Sven Baertschi out), the Flames hoped to jump-start their club.

The game ended up being a tight-checking, physical affair. But the Flames brought their working boots, especially compared to their game in Anaheim, and skated away with a 2-1 victory on the road.

THE RUNDOWN

The first period generated few shots – on either side – but the Kings generated more opportunities and the puck stayed out of Calgary's net due to some wonderful puck luck and the scrambly energy of one Karri Ramo, making his first start since the Reagan administration. The period was quite chippy, with many hits – foreshadowing more physicality later on – but the Kings kept Calgary to the perimeter, especially on their power-play. The Kings led after 20 minutes in shots (7-5) and shot attempts (20-13), but Calgary dominated the face-off dot 8-3.

If you think that “not getting blown out” in the first period in a Californian city is being successful, the Flames built upon that success in the second and played with a bit more confidence and drive. That resulted in more hitting, slightly more effective poke-checking and a period that wasn't quite “dominated” by Calgary five-on-five, but one that definitely saw them drive most of the play. The Flames PP continued to struggle, being reduced to just a single shot during 1:20 of five-on-three time. That's right – a single shot. The physical play continued, including Matt Stajan taking exception to a Dustin Brown check to his upper-body and executing what was basically a judo takedown. This resulted in a Flames power-play because the referees apparently saw the head-shot by Brown prior to that. Anyhoo, after a period that the Flames pushed the pace, Ladislav Smid got a game misconduct and a five-minute penalty for a hit from behind on Dwight King.

Because Calgary kept forechecking, and because Ben Scrivens is criminally unlucky, the Flames scored more goals on the five-minute penalty kill than the Kings did. The Flames dumped the puck into the LA zone. Scrivens went to play the puck, fell over awkwardly and Paul Byron fed Blair Jones, both recently of the American Hockey League's Abbotsford Heat, to put the Flames up by a goal. The Flames killed the remainder of the major. Even with an entire five-minute power-play, the Kings only eked out a slight shot advantage (10-9), were even with Calgary in shot attempts (19-19) and had a slight face-off edge (13-12). But the Flames scored the period's only goal.

It was a tight, tight third period. The first half or so of the period continued to be carried by the Flames, although the Kings pushed back at certain intervals. As the clock wound down, the Kings began to push for an equalizer. And the Kings scored a weird one, as Justin Williams evened it up with four and a half minutes left. It was a really quick snap-shot from the high slot, but there was no tip or screen or anything. The Kings continued to press, but the Flames pushed back. With the game looking like it would go to extra time, much like Calgary's last visit to Los Angeles, the Flames decided they didn't want to wait for overtime. Mikael Backlund, Mike Cammalleri and Lee Stempniak combined for some nice offensive zone pressure, as Cammalleri got the puck down behind the red line and out-muscled Slava Voynov. Cammalleri got knocked down, but Stempniak collected the puck, fed it to Backlund, who fed it to a now-recovered Cammalleri, who deposited the puck behind a sprawling Ben Scrivens with 23 seconds left. The Kings had no time left to respond and the Flames skated away with a hard-fought 2-1 victory. Shots in the third were 6-5 LA. Shot attempts were 17-11 LA. Face-offs were 12-9 Calgary. The Flames were barely out-shot (22-20) and out-attempted (56-43) during the game, but kept the edge in the face-off circle for once (32-25) and won on the road.

WHY THE FLAMES WON

Timely goaltending? Check. Gutsy performances from bottom-six guys like Byron and Blair Jones? Check. Good penalty-killing? Check. As complete a sixty minutes you could hope for from a team that played fairly poorly the day before in Anaheim? Check.

To be simple? The Flames won because they out-worked the Los Angeles Kings, full-stop.

RED WARRIOR

Lee Stempniak had maybe his best game as a Flame. And he's been gradually better and better since returning from his foot injury. But Stempniak played 23:05, was matched aganst some of the Kings best players and still managed to contribute and help set up the game-winner.

Honourable mention to T.J. Brodie, who played just shy of 30 minutes, including six minutes of penalty-kill time.

Scoring Chances

Team Period Time Note Home Away State
Home 1 18:34 Voynov 11 14 23 26 33 54 3 11 24 31 44 54 5v5
Home 1 18:16 Brown 11 14 23 27 33 54 3 8 24 31 44 54 5v5
Away 1 15:35 Brodie 11 14 26 44 54 74 4 7 13 18 22 31 5v5
Home 1 15:04 Carcillo 11 14 17 27 33 54 7 11 24 31 54 55 5v5
Home 1 13:30 Clifford 13 26 44 54 57 73 4 7 13 18 22 31 5v5
Away 1 11:44 Butler 11 14 17 27 33 54 4 8 17 19 31 44 5v5
Home 1 11:07 Nolan 11 17 27 33 54 71 4 7 16 31 32 59 5v5
Away 1 10:10 Stempniak 26 28 44 54 71 74 3 13 18 22 31 44 5v5
Home 1 9:48 Doughty 6 8 10 54 74 77 3 13 18 22 31 44 5v5
Home 1 9:46 Carter rebound 6 8 10 54 74 77 3 13 18 22 31 44 5v5
Away 2 16:27 Stempniak 5on3 11 26 44 54     7 8 13 22 24 31 3v5
Home 2 11:57 Kopitar 6 11 23 26 54 74 4 7 13 18 22 31 5v5
Home 2 5:18 Carter PP 6 8 10 11 54 77 7 17 18 31 44   5v4
Home 2 4:31 Martinez PP 8 10 11 27 54 77 7 11 22 31 44   5v4
Home 2 4:29 rebound PP 8 10 11 27 54 77 7 11 22 31 44   5v4
Away 2 4:10 Jones goal SH 14 23 26 27 54 57 4 19 31 32 55   5v4
Home 2 3:03 Toffolli PP 6 8 13 28 54 73 7 17 18 31 44   5v4
Home 2 1:38 Voynov PP 6 10 11 14 26 54 7 19 31 32 44   5v4
Home 3 19:06 Vey PP 8 14 23 27 54 57 4 11 22 27 31   5v4
Home 3 14:02 Brown 8 11 14 23 33 54 11 24 31 44 54 55 5v5
Home 3 10:25 Clifford tip 13 27 33 54 57 73 4 7 11 13 31 54 5v5
Home 3 4:34 Williams goal 6 8 11 14 23 54 13 18 22 31 44 55 5v5
Away 3 4:07 Stempniak 10 26 44 54 74 77 4 7 13 18 22 31 5v5
Away 3 0:24 Cammalleri 10 26 44 54 74 77 11 13 22 31 44 55 5v5

 

# Player EV     PP     SH    
3 SMID, LADISLAV 10:03 1 4 00:00 0 0 01:01 0 0
4 RUSSELL, KRIS 17:37 3 4 06:01 0 0 02:54 1 1
7 BRODIE, TJ 20:20 2 5 03:23 1 0 06:01 0 5
8 COLBORNE, JOE 09:43 1 1 05:23 1 0 00:00 0 0
11 BACKLUND, MIKAEL 14:21 1 4 02:33 0 0 02:20 0 3
13 CAMMALLERI, MIKE 14:31 4 6 07:33 1 0 00:00 0 0
16 MCGRATTAN, BRIAN 02:33 0 1 00:00 0 0 00:00 0 0
17 BOUMA, LANCE 10:56 1 0 00:00 0 0 03:36 0 2
18 STAJAN, MATT 16:09 3 5 00:41 0 0 04:31 0 2
19 JONES, BLAIR 10:51 1 0 00:00 0 0 02:23 1 1
22 STEMPNIAK, LEE 13:39 4 5 06:09 1 0 03:17 0 3
24 HUDLER, JIRI 13:40 0 4 07:16 1 0 00:00 0 0
27 SMITH, DEREK 06:08 0 0 00:00 0 0 00:44 0 1
31 RAMO, KARRI   5 11   1 0   1 6
32 BYRON, PAUL 02:49 0 1 01:21 0 0 01:29 1 1
44 BUTLER, CHRIS 18:44 3 6 00:17 0 0 05:54 0 5
54 JONES, DAVID 13:49 0 5 02:28 0 0 00:00 0 0
55 O'BRIEN, SHANE 12:22 1 3 00:00 0 0 01:02 1 0
59 REINHART, MAX 02:36 0 1 00:00 0 0 00:00 0 0

Period Totals EV PP 5v3 PP SH 5v3 SH
1 3 7 3 7 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
2 2 6 0 1 0 0 1 0 1 5 0 0
3 2 4 2 3 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0

SUM IT UP

The Flames head home with two points from California, which is never bad. They also showed that they cold weather the storm and get through some adversity, as they killed off a five-minute penalty in the second period and played the third period with just five blueliners.

Calgary improves to 9-13-4. They'll fly home after Sunday's father-son golf day. They're back in action on Wednesday night at the Scotiabank Saddledome when they host the Phoenix Coyotes. It's an 8pm MT start and it's a Sportsnet game.

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Ryan Pike is a Calgary native and FlamesNation's managing editor. He's covered the Flames and the NHL since 2010. His work can also be found at The Hockey Writers and The Wrestling Observer.
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#1 calgaryfan
December 01 2013, 12:42PM
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I think Feaster has done a reasonably good job surrounding himself with hockey people except for Hartley and unfortunately he probably sealed his own fate. When the Flames owners decide they have had enough of Hartley, Feaster will be gone also. If Johnny hockey's advisors are watching what Hartley does with rookies, Reinhart had 2 minutes icetime, Sven watching, Byron 5 minutes, Johnny will go back to Boston College for year 4 and become a free agent the following summer. I know if I was advising him that would be my choice, sign with the Bruins, or another good team then at least if you are sitting you are sitting because you are on a good team.

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#2 jeremywilhelm
December 01 2013, 12:55AM
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I would have to argue that his consistency has always been there, its the consistency of his icetime and line mates that has caused struggles. Thats coaching, and stupid coaching at that.

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#3 jeremywilhelm
November 30 2013, 11:54PM
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What a surprise, Ramo is a better goalie than Berra.

I would expect Hartley has Berra starting the next game.....

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#4 exsanguinator
December 01 2013, 12:01AM
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Grats, Byron, Smith, and Reinhart combined for 17:40 of ice time. Seven other players had more personal ice time than those four combined. What gives?

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#5 jeremywilhelm
December 01 2013, 12:03AM
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McGrattan and Smith suck.

Reinhart and Byron are bubble kids. No surprise they are limited in their ice time.

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#6 prendrefeu
December 01 2013, 11:45PM
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Side note: Edmonton beats Dallas (S/O win), yet we get trounced by them, twice?! We lose two bad games to the team that has a wanna-be Ducks logo and the Oilers win one?!

What the hell, man?

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#7 Stockley
December 01 2013, 09:10AM
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Justin Azevedo wrote:

man karri is so much better than the other two goalies the flames have

Too bad Ramo seems to have done whatever Backlund and Sven have done to earn Hartley's wrath. I'll use the term "mind-boggling roster decisions" because everything else that comes to mind is crass and vulgar.

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jeremywilhelm wrote:

I would have to argue that his consistency has always been there, its the consistency of his icetime and line mates that has caused struggles. Thats coaching, and stupid coaching at that.

I agree, but I was hoping to see more from Backlund last night. He was only predictably good (positionally sound, defensively responsible, and played a smart game). That's not good enough for management, since he clearly is under the coach and GMs' microscope. There were at least 2 opportunities where he picked up a loose puck in LA's end and simply fired a puck on net. He has to start driving to the net like he did earlier on in the season. Like Stajan of 2 seasons ago, I think the coaching decisions are blowing his confidence. I hope Colburne is out for a few mire games to give Backlund a chance to seize the opportunity.

I've been on the fence, where Hartley is concerned until now. He's done a good job in some ways. The Flames have a better compete level, the brand of hockey is much more interesting, he gets a lot out of his players. On the other hand, he refuses to roll 4 lines, he leans on vets too much (especially in light of the fact that some young payers are simply better hockey players). His clear preference for an underwhelming Berra, despite below average numbers and wins. Lastly, his overvalue of Gritchart. Yes, Gritchart is important, but McGrattan being dressed in every game is ludicrous. Hartley is not the right coach for this Flames team or any rebuild.

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#10 Captain Ron
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calgaryfan wrote:

I think Feaster has done a reasonably good job surrounding himself with hockey people except for Hartley and unfortunately he probably sealed his own fate. When the Flames owners decide they have had enough of Hartley, Feaster will be gone also. If Johnny hockey's advisors are watching what Hartley does with rookies, Reinhart had 2 minutes icetime, Sven watching, Byron 5 minutes, Johnny will go back to Boston College for year 4 and become a free agent the following summer. I know if I was advising him that would be my choice, sign with the Bruins, or another good team then at least if you are sitting you are sitting because you are on a good team.

This is probably the most meaningless out of place comment I have ever read on FN.

The team just puts on an amazing display of work ethic last night and wins a game against nearly impossible odds and this is all you can come up with?

Hopeless is all I can say.

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December 01 2013, 08:04PM
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Ramo had been exceptional in the net; and should the Flames play in an identical fashion, they would be among the elite teams. They would certainly bring pride!

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#12 CTibs
December 01 2013, 12:18AM
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Since Byron and Jones both got points, do you think we'll see Sven scratched for another night due to Hartley logic?

Any answers besides "I hope not" will be disregarded.

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#13 Justin Azevedo
December 01 2013, 08:26AM
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man karri is so much better than the other two goalies the flames have

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#14 Kent Wilson
December 01 2013, 11:41AM
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That's the best goaltending performance the Flames have had this season I'd say.

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#15 exsanguinator
December 01 2013, 01:25AM
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loudogYYC wrote:

You would rather see the plugs, fringe pro and rookie play more minutes against the LA Kings? Flames won a huge game man, stop trying to find something wrong with it.

No, I'm just wondering why they are in the line up at all.

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#16 coachedpotatoe
December 01 2013, 03:56PM
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Jeff In Lethbridge wrote:

when you think about it... now is the time to be tough on the young guys, i.e. backlund and Sven... after we trade a couple 2 or 3 vets, we wont have as much luxery.

I am one that has been uncomfortable with the coaches treatment of the youngens, but at the same time i am very pleased with the way the coach has his team commited on most nights to playing the high energy style that demands a lot from each individial each shift.

I am alzo happy with the overall outcome from the GM to add depth and get picks of value.... yes Janko and RoR were headscratchers... but overall he surely rates well?

as for the goalies... so what if he plays Reto so long regardless of what we think. really, both goalies need to have the chance to play good stretches to work out the bugs associated with then american diff. in angles and speed etc.

given the rebuild reality, the ability to take time to give these three goalies each a chance to establish themselves over a season or so is no big deal. the main thing is for the whole team to committ to sticking with it, and it seens they are.

As for Sven - maybe they are askng more of him then they are asking of vets and face punchers... and rigbtly so... the vets and face puncher are temorary but sven needs to be here for the long haul. the vets play through their gaffs and look god doing so, only to higher value trade bate.

Deep breath... all things considered, have to say, "so far, so good". teams buying in, vets value increasing, luxery of pushing sven and backs, goalies duking it out and gettng their chances, all the while we are heading for a top 3 pick, plus other first rounders more then likely.

I have to say you make some good arguments but you miss some of the key concepts. I like the idea of pushing both Sven and Backs to be better but then you need to do the same with Monahan, Bouma and Colborne. I worry that he may break Sven by the constant every 4/5 games sitting. A coach needs to know when to back off and do so soon enough. Sven's not stupid and at some point he will see that he is being singled out and shut down.(He's still a kid)I hope there is constant reinforcement going on and that they are not sending him mixed messages.

I agree it would be good to see all three goalies but again you seem to miss the point being made by many here. Berra has had a significant look and Ramo has not. Ortio is getting his chance to be the guy in the AHL and I hope at some point after 50-60 games he gets a real look.

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December 01 2013, 07:31AM
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The Flames played quite well last night. They seem to match up better against LA and the Ducks. I only saw about 2 1/2 periods I missed the first 11 minutes. Although I saw McG on the bench I don't recall him taking a shift in the final 2 periods. If his purpose is to keep the crazies in line why didn't we see him out smacking Brown (although talented is a borderline cheap shoot artist).

Note to Hartley: Ramo played well, he won the game and he should now be given a chance to play 8 of the net 10.

Note to Hartley: Backs played well, he assisted on the winning goal, he played well defensively, and he payed well with some skilled players. Don't bench him.

Note to Feaster and Hartley: The PP sucks, but we have a very good PP quarterback in Abbotsford who can't be worse defensively than Smith and his name is Billings; bring him up and send Smith down.

Note to Hartely and Burke: If McG is stapled to the bench he can't be a deterant so you might as well play Sven so you can properly assess and develop him.

Boys palyed hard, got NHL goaltending, got some lucky breaks and won a game. Well done.

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#18 coachedpotatoe
December 01 2013, 09:22AM
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ChinookArch wrote:

I agree, but I was hoping to see more from Backlund last night. He was only predictably good (positionally sound, defensively responsible, and played a smart game). That's not good enough for management, since he clearly is under the coach and GMs' microscope. There were at least 2 opportunities where he picked up a loose puck in LA's end and simply fired a puck on net. He has to start driving to the net like he did earlier on in the season. Like Stajan of 2 seasons ago, I think the coaching decisions are blowing his confidence. I hope Colburne is out for a few mire games to give Backlund a chance to seize the opportunity.

I've been on the fence, where Hartley is concerned until now. He's done a good job in some ways. The Flames have a better compete level, the brand of hockey is much more interesting, he gets a lot out of his players. On the other hand, he refuses to roll 4 lines, he leans on vets too much (especially in light of the fact that some young payers are simply better hockey players). His clear preference for an underwhelming Berra, despite below average numbers and wins. Lastly, his overvalue of Gritchart. Yes, Gritchart is important, but McGrattan being dressed in every game is ludicrous. Hartley is not the right coach for this Flames team or any rebuild.

While I agree with you that I would prefer to see Back's up with the more skilled players I don't wish to see anyone injured.

I am coming over to your side in regards to Hartley; what really seems to be the problem is that he and I believe others can't really embrace the rebuild. You have expressed my feelings on McG

Breaking the cycle of entitlement and not working hard has to be part of the rebuild but it must be done fairly to everyone not just the youngsters.

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#19 Jeff Lebowski
December 01 2013, 11:01AM
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Reading Sutter's comments about Cammy, I wonder if this could be a potential deal at deadline.

Cammy for Toffoli + (conditional) draft pick?

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#20 Captain Ron
December 02 2013, 07:02PM
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win one hockey game and everything is great. lol have you looked at the standings lately! the future of the flames is the youth why not find a way to give them more minutes, they are near the bottom anyway.

I don't miss too many games either live at the Dome or on TV. I'm very well aware of what the team is all about and where the are in the standings thank you. Regardless of that wins like the one in LA on Saturday night on HNIC are to be celebrated even if it was their only win of the season.

Besides the fact your original comment was completely out of place in the post game thread it was also somewhat nonsensical.

If I say something dumb on this or any other thread I should expect to hear about it and rightfully so.

Having your comment trashed 31 to 1 vs props should give a hint as to what the majority thinks of it.

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#21 RKD
November 30 2013, 11:47PM
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The Flames can hang with the big boys, it will take awhile to lift that Anaheim curse. However, look at the Chicago game. The Flames had the Cup champs on the ropes 2-0 before the third period comeback by the Hawks. Heck, we have already beaten the Hawks this season. A dream for most of the other teams in the NHL. Tonight the Flames were competitive, something the Oilers can learn. I also hope this gives some more confidence to Ramo. I know everyone has already anointed Berra but let's see how the rest of the season plays out. Even though Ramo is a KHL experiment, I have more faith in him than Cervenka.

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#22 jeremywilhelm
December 01 2013, 01:38AM
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Where the heck is the stats break down slacker??

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#23 Jeff Lebowski
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As far as I can tell, the issue with Sven can be summed up by a favorite Ken Hitchcock expression:

'We want our guys to play THROUGH opponents not play TO opponents. Play through the hands if size mismatch.'

I agree. Sven, remains, incredibly easy to play against.

I don't mean he's incredibly easy to defend. His skill is undeniable. He's just lazy for most of his TOI.

A player is not going to generate scoring chances every shift. If you force turnovers (by playing through opponents) you're going to generate more chances. It's pretty easy to understand. It just takes effort. Then the skills are put on display.

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December 01 2013, 07:13PM
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I have to say you make some good arguments but you miss some of the key concepts. I like the idea of pushing both Sven and Backs to be better but then you need to do the same with Monahan, Bouma and Colborne. I worry that he may break Sven by the constant every 4/5 games sitting. A coach needs to know when to back off and do so soon enough. Sven's not stupid and at some point he will see that he is being singled out and shut down.(He's still a kid)I hope there is constant reinforcement going on and that they are not sending him mixed messages.

I agree it would be good to see all three goalies but again you seem to miss the point being made by many here. Berra has had a significant look and Ramo has not. Ortio is getting his chance to be the guy in the AHL and I hope at some point after 50-60 games he gets a real look.

I believe both goalies have had the same number of games

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#25 calgaryfan
December 01 2013, 11:26PM
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Captain Ron wrote:

This is probably the most meaningless out of place comment I have ever read on FN.

The team just puts on an amazing display of work ethic last night and wins a game against nearly impossible odds and this is all you can come up with?

Hopeless is all I can say.

win one hockey game and everything is great. lol have you looked at the standings lately! the future of the flames is the youth why not find a way to give them more minutes, they are near the bottom anyway.

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#26 calgaryfan
December 01 2013, 11:35PM
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nice response! very well thought out!

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#27 jeremywilhelm
December 02 2013, 01:10AM
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When you say ridiculous things, expect ridiculous responses.

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#28 Luc
December 02 2013, 09:32AM
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calgaryfan wrote:

win one hockey game and everything is great. lol have you looked at the standings lately! the future of the flames is the youth why not find a way to give them more minutes, they are near the bottom anyway.

you state that all rookies have been treated unfairly? Johnny has as much anticipation as Monahan does / did, and things have been just rosie for him in terms of ice time before his injury. And Colbourne, despite his short comings is also getting great treatment from the org. If your going to have an opinion at least make it well rounded and not just pick out the small amount of evidence to support it.

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#29 exsanguinator
November 30 2013, 11:45PM
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Ramo was one thing that Berra is not this entire game: positionally sound. Give him a number of consecutive starts until Berra can regularly remember where the net is.

This is the way the team needs to play. With a full roster and this kind of effort given consistently the Flames would be much higher in the standings.

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#30 loudogYYC
December 01 2013, 12:20AM
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Grats, Byron, Smith, and Reinhart combined for 17:40 of ice time. Seven other players had more personal ice time than those four combined. What gives?

You would rather see the plugs, fringe pro and rookie play more minutes against the LA Kings? Flames won a huge game man, stop trying to find something wrong with it.

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#31 Baalzamon
December 01 2013, 11:06AM
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Frankly, I'm surprised it took this long for Ramo to have his breakout game. Though he was excellent in two games before this (going back a ways, and one of which against Los Angeles).

I still think Ramo could be an average NHL goalie. .927+ in three consecutive years in the KHL has to count for something, doesn't it?

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#32 Captain Ron
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I can't say enough good things about Stempniak. I know every now and then he makes a bad pass but the guy can also be the poster boy for the phrase "just give er". He is an excellent role model for the young players on this team. Amazing performance from a guy who has been walking around in a boot cast off the ice. That one shift he had in the third period last night was exemplary.

When you think about what he is still bringing to the Flames, and what they gave up in a trade for him (Langkow) it has to be one of the better deals in the teams history.

Stajan's play lately has also been noteworthy. I hope he realizes what a good player he can be if he wants to. Awesome to see the guy stand up to Brown the way he did last night. Sure hope we see more of that.

Let's give Reto Berra a long rest already and let Ramo play 10 games no matter what happens. If not for a perfectly placed shot by Williams he gets a shutout.

Lastly I have to think that Cammalleri is worth a first round pick in a trade all day long. The guy is clutch and has proven he can perform in the playoffs. Some team with a shot at the cup has to step up with an offer for this guy that will put a smile on our faces. Too bad we can't keep him. I'm really starting to like having him around.

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#33 Jeff In Lethbridge
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when you think about it... now is the time to be tough on the young guys, i.e. backlund and Sven... after we trade a couple 2 or 3 vets, we wont have as much luxery.

I am one that has been uncomfortable with the coaches treatment of the youngens, but at the same time i am very pleased with the way the coach has his team commited on most nights to playing the high energy style that demands a lot from each individial each shift.

I am alzo happy with the overall outcome from the GM to add depth and get picks of value.... yes Janko and RoR were headscratchers... but overall he surely rates well?

as for the goalies... so what if he plays Reto so long regardless of what we think. really, both goalies need to have the chance to play good stretches to work out the bugs associated with then american diff. in angles and speed etc.

given the rebuild reality, the ability to take time to give these three goalies each a chance to establish themselves over a season or so is no big deal. the main thing is for the whole team to committ to sticking with it, and it seens they are.

As for Sven - maybe they are askng more of him then they are asking of vets and face punchers... and rigbtly so... the vets and face puncher are temorary but sven needs to be here for the long haul. the vets play through their gaffs and look god doing so, only to higher value trade bate.

Deep breath... all things considered, have to say, "so far, so good". teams buying in, vets value increasing, luxery of pushing sven and backs, goalies duking it out and gettng their chances, all the while we are heading for a top 3 pick, plus other first rounders more then likely.

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#34 cccsberg
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Jeff In Lethbridge wrote:

when you think about it... now is the time to be tough on the young guys, i.e. backlund and Sven... after we trade a couple 2 or 3 vets, we wont have as much luxery.

I am one that has been uncomfortable with the coaches treatment of the youngens, but at the same time i am very pleased with the way the coach has his team commited on most nights to playing the high energy style that demands a lot from each individial each shift.

I am alzo happy with the overall outcome from the GM to add depth and get picks of value.... yes Janko and RoR were headscratchers... but overall he surely rates well?

as for the goalies... so what if he plays Reto so long regardless of what we think. really, both goalies need to have the chance to play good stretches to work out the bugs associated with then american diff. in angles and speed etc.

given the rebuild reality, the ability to take time to give these three goalies each a chance to establish themselves over a season or so is no big deal. the main thing is for the whole team to committ to sticking with it, and it seens they are.

As for Sven - maybe they are askng more of him then they are asking of vets and face punchers... and rigbtly so... the vets and face puncher are temorary but sven needs to be here for the long haul. the vets play through their gaffs and look god doing so, only to higher value trade bate.

Deep breath... all things considered, have to say, "so far, so good". teams buying in, vets value increasing, luxery of pushing sven and backs, goalies duking it out and gettng their chances, all the while we are heading for a top 3 pick, plus other first rounders more then likely.

Excellent comment and great LT perspective. We're trying to get better, each player and the whole team. Pushing the youngsters now will hopefully reap benefits down the road. BTW great effort last night, excellent back-checking.

Interesting to see basically rolling three lines. I thought it worked fine and when Byron got in he shone as well. Need to keep pushing all the guys, especially the youngsters to get a really good handle on what they can do...

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December 01 2013, 07:55PM
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Exceptional performance by all players on ice. It is anticipated that the Flames persevere their game plan for all the upcoming games.

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That last shift was a thing of beauty. Cammalleri just killed it, and Backs/Stempniak were pretty great on it as well. I can't remember the last time I saw a Flames shift like that and just knew something was going to happen. So amped up.

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Perhaps the thing that pumped me up the most was CBC's minifeature on Joe Colborne, and his faceoff success in the past few games. I was watching a crappy stream, so I didn't catch all of it, but the bits I did hear were rather positive.

I think it was a great game for the Flames in general. Maybe I'm being irrationally optimistic, but the extended break given to Karri Ramo may have just influenced him to change his game a little bit (he didn't face many chances, but again, irrational optimism). If the Flames played like this at full strength, I think the results would be scary.

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#38 prendrefeu
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I was one of two (lone) Flames fans in the VIP Box B-22, the rest of the box was all in Kings unis, and all of the neighboring boxes were all Kings, the only other Flames fans were spread through the rest of the Staples Center, rows here and there.

Anyway, great game. It was a pleasure to watch, a thrilling third period and... and... yeah, thanks. I'm stoked to be a Flames fan in LA.

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#39 FlamesRule
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Now that's the kind of work ethic that made me a Flames fan 20 plus years ago!

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#40 Baceda
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Just watched the highlights. That was a really damn nice pass from Byron to Jones for that first goal. He raced for the puck when he saw Scrivens fall, got there first and then got knocked over from behind, fell with the puck still on his stick somehow, and then shoved it out right onto a streaking Blair Jones' stick. And a great AHL goal scorer finish by B. Money Jones

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Two players did really well that I believe deserve the fruits of their labour, and that is Ramo and Backlund. I really hope they are given equivalent roles in their next game and thrive.

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Missed the game, but really glad to hear from the comments that Mickis stepped up with the opportunity. I just hope he brings it every night, because we all see the potential and the skills...it's just the consistency of being a pro that he has been missing. Take it and run with it!

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Its funny with Calgary's speed they match up well against LA and play with enough grit and skill to win. I don't think the first round players of Edmonton understand how to get their noses dirty. Also, now that Hartley is forced to play Backland, he will see the guy is big skilled and can skate. Not a fourth line player at all.

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According to Friedman, Berra's contract prevents him from back down to the minors again without clearing waivers so the team is trying to see what they have with him, since this is his only year under contract they want to know what to do with him before January rolls around.

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Perhaps the thing that pumped me up the most was CBC's minifeature on Joe Colborne, and his faceoff success in the past few games. I was watching a crappy stream, so I didn't catch all of it, but the bits I did hear were rather positive.

I think it was a great game for the Flames in general. Maybe I'm being irrationally optimistic, but the extended break given to Karri Ramo may have just influenced him to change his game a little bit (he didn't face many chances, but again, irrational optimism). If the Flames played like this at full strength, I think the results would be scary.

Too late now but for the future. When the games are on Hockey night in Canada they stream them on their website in really good quality. I always look forward to the saturday games cause you get a awesome stream.

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Fair comment regarding knowing when to back off Sven. I wonder though who would be better able read it the Flames staff who interact with him every day, travel with him, meet with him or the fans who have absolutely no contact with him.

I'm not saying you're wrong. This treatment makes me leery too. Confidence is a delicate thing and scorers need healthy doses of it. Hopefully this works out like my linesman calls at the game. I'll be sitting in the stands many rows up and a play will be called offside. I'll complain to my wife that it wasn't offside. The replay will come and sure enough I was wrong. My point is hopefully, hopefully the guys that are closest to the action are making the right calls.

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--- Minutes ---- SA --- Sv% --- %G>LA* --- %GLitUp
Reto: 632 --- 329 --- 0.888 --- 0.180 --- 0.182
Ramo: 520 --- 254 --- 0.890 --- 0.333 --- 0.000
MacB: 417 --- 192 --- 0.885 --- 0.143 --- 0.000

*%G>LA* = Percentage of games started with a Sv% above the league average this season of 0.915. An average NHL goalie should get around 0.500.
**%GLitUP = Percentage of games a goalie was lit up and had a sv% less than 0.800.

This is still a pretty small sample size, but it does suggest a few things. Berra has turned in some good performances, but Ramo has been above league average more often. Berra gets "lit up" a *lot*. Although they have roughly the same sv% right now, Ramo is more likely to give a good start and less likely to get lit up. He should be the go-to guy right now.

Berra, on the other hand, needs to address why he gets lit up so often. He has size and insane lateral speed that seem a cut above Ramo's, but he consistently leaves a hole open on the short-side that no NHL goalie should leave open and seems to have big lapses in his focus. He also over-commits and winds up way out of position far too often. He might be a diamond in the rough, but he needs some serious work.

I'd say the verdict on both these goalies is far from in. Berra has had a nice good stretch of starts during which he failed to get into the groove. Ramo's starts have been spread out, so it's probably time for him to get string of several in a row. Both of these guys probably need to play more games before the Flames will really know what they have, and that's what should happen unless one of them gets hot and starts being adequate for an extended stretch.

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When you say ridiculous things, expect ridiculous responses.

Your comments just get better all the time. my comments were not ridiculous, you just don't agree which is fine. Did I hurt you? No, but you would like to slap me! I AM ALLOWED MY OPINION ON HERE AS YOU ARE!

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win one hockey game and everything is great. lol have you looked at the standings lately! the future of the flames is the youth why not find a way to give them more minutes, they are near the bottom anyway.

You kind of missed his point by a country mile. He responded to your ridiculous post that our top prospects like Gaudreau should do whatever they can to not play in Calgary by the way Calgary treat it's rookies. I assume that is a correct interpretation of your post. I had the same feeling as the Captain, your post was not of a Calgary fan but of a troll. I guess Nurse & Klefblom & any other future Oiler prospect should do the same by the way Oilers have treated Yakupov.

I understand your disappointment on how Hartley utilizes his players, the latter, well........

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#50 Jeff In Lethbridge
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everyone here needs to just calm down and get back to the business of sourcing some free Flames tickets for me... thanks. Peace Out!

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