Breaking: Flames Fire Feaster & Weisbrod

Ryan Pike
December 12 2013 10:18AM

 

 

The Flames official Twitter account has announced that Jay Feaster and John Weisbrod have been relieved of their duties.

A press conference with real, actual details is coming up at 11am.

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#101 WildBill_1485
December 12 2013, 11:56AM
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@Parallex

All you people complain about Burke's penchant for truculence, yet I guarantee you're all the first to hit their feet when McGrattan drops the mitts to defend our city and the kids. Hypocrites.

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#102 BurningSensation
December 12 2013, 11:56AM
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Ok, now that the shock has passed (I was sort kinda thinking Feaster and Burke would get along and that Feaster and Weisbrod would get a chance to see this thing work - even though all the evidence of the past was that Burke typically cleans house and rebuilds things his way), here are some thoughts;

- Expect trades. Burke is something of a wunderkind at getting building blocks from other teams in highway robbery deals. It's his biggest redeeming virtue (Pronger, Kessel, the Sedins, Phaneuf, JVR, etc., etc.).

- He likes Americans and isn't so hot on Russians (not much different than Feaster really).

-- You can expect us to swing at every Milan Lucic prototype at the draft. Big kids who can skate and shoot a little. That said, he has an eye for talent, and when push comes to shove, he takes skill guys over busts (he identified that the Sedins were the best players in their draft year, rather than Brendl or Stefan, who were more highly rated, and over Tim Connolly who once upon a time was an American born skill pivot considered to have promise as a #1 center).

- Expect horrific roster construction for the 4th line. More Brian McGratten's fewer NHL hockey players.

- He is going to 'accelerate' the rebuild at every opportunity. Waiting for a group of kids to develop isn't his style. He'll bring in vets, etc. to keep the team as competitive as possible while hee gradually puts together a new core of players.

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#103 Colin.S
December 12 2013, 11:58AM
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The good news is they fired Feaster, the bad news is the guy that is going to hire his "replacement" isn't someone I want in charge either.

I already see potential candidates being thrown around on Twitter. But honestly with Burke in the position he's in and it's well known he's making the decisions, what high profile GM are we going to lure from another team, when Burke is already acting as GM?

Expect some retread GM from his time in some other org and whole lot of losing in our future.

ALSO!! Predictions time. Hartley and his staff are fired at the end of the year, this is mostly because the Flames probably don't want to be paying out a ton for a fired coach and then the new guy when the season is a lost cause anyways, so we wait till the offseason for a new coach. Baertschi/Backlund/Gaudreau will not be with the team next year, probably by the end of this year. Wisebrod was the guy I primarily credit with drafting Gaudreau and without him around and Burke's GET BIG mentality, I don't see him around, I expect him to get packed with a first rounder of ours for BIG forward.

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#104 Mac962
December 12 2013, 12:00PM
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This sets up a Kevin Lowe - Brain Burke showdown - who can totally make their franchise a joke. My Oilers lead - but Burke is a neanderthal and the Flames and Oilers will be doormats for several years yet i am afraid. I crave a meaningful rivalry again.

You going to trade some of your talent there Burke for some under skilled Muscle ? Good luck with that.

What has happened to the Alberta Hockey teams, we have become jokes.

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#105 Parallex
December 12 2013, 12:04PM
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WildBill_1485 wrote:

All you people complain about Burke's penchant for truculence, yet I guarantee you're all the first to hit their feet when McGrattan drops the mitts to defend our city and the kids. Hypocrites.

Heh, you're new here aren't you. If you weren't and you bothered to read a random 10% sampling of everything I've written you'd know that not to be true.

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#106 BurningSensation
December 12 2013, 12:04PM
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@Mac962

"What has happened to the Alberta Hockey teams, we have become jokes."

Well, you are half right. Feaster's firing is hardly an indication the Flames are a joke.

Edmonton though....yeesh

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#107 WildBill_1485
December 12 2013, 12:05PM
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Speak for own damn self Soiler fan. We're in the first year of our rebuild and still have a heartbeat in every game. Not like that roller coaster to the North. How many first overall draft picks do you guys need to even be competitive. Do not ever compare our rebuild to yours, you see first hand what a losing culture creates. As I said, even given our current standings, the boys still go out every night and compete for that Flaming C on their chest, not for the party afterwards like those kids up north.

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#108 Primo
December 12 2013, 12:06PM
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I'm hearing Shanahan as the next GM.

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#109 FlamesRule
December 12 2013, 12:08PM
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Totally agree Wild Bill (is this you Mr. Burke?)

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#110 WildBill_1485
December 12 2013, 12:12PM
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Haha I wish. Pretty sure he has better things to do than troll the message boards. I am a big supporter however, if you couldnt tell. I posted on here the day we NEEDLESSLY traded JBo for magic beans and a prayer wondering why Burkes name was never mentioned in Calgary, then my wish came true, and I knew Fatster would be on his way out. The only move I give credit to Mr. Feaster for is the Kris Russell move, other than that, his trade record is suspect at best.

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#111 jonahgo
December 12 2013, 12:12PM
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successful teams are big? is this a fact?

http://mirtle.blogspot.com/2013/01/2013-nhl-teams-by-weight-height-and-age.html

based on these data from the 2013 short season's opening rosters, chicago is 20th in weight and 29th in height... boston is similarly low (and that's including the outlier chara!). the biggest team is winnipeg...

this is gonna be rough folks... yikes.

correction: san jose is bigger than winnipeg, but the point stands; there is absolutely no correlation between team size and success.

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#112 Kevin R
December 12 2013, 12:13PM
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BurningSensation wrote:

Usually a new guy at the top takes a while to decide what he wants his mgt group to look like, and Feaster got a few full months of work under Burke to see how he would do.

In that regard this isn't a surprise. What makes it surprising is that Feaster and Burke really seemed to get along, and the team seemed to be heading in a single direction. Yeah, they are losing, but seriously, they suck, so they were never going to be a winning team this year. But they played theeir asses off and were ard working and entertaining even in defeat.

What is interesting to me is that it is both Feaster AND Weisbrod who are gone. That strikes me as a sign that Weisbrod's philosophies are different and irecconcialable.

Personally, this concerns me. I have really liked the direction that Feaster had Calgary headed in, and approved of how he has rebuilt the team (more or less - the Regher deal looks terrible in retrospect).

It's a brand new day.

Truculence!

I'm still trying to digest this. Thing is, Feaster has done some very good things but the the things he hasn't done well are career ending type of mistakes. I know most will say that the ROR thing never happened so get over it. Thing is, if it did, this team would have lost Monahan & set this organization back years. I know it is up for debate but I have not been happy with the trade returns for Regehr & JBO. Iggy was a different animal. Teams are desperate for a top pairing Dman, JBO was not a rental, I love Porrier(sp?) but the return was underwhelming for such an important piece. I knew Feaster's days were numbered but I thought his drafting & decent signings would have bought him 1-2 years to stock up before the team needed to change gears.

I think the Cap & the new TV deal has sped up the time table to changing gears. I also expect Edwards wants a long painful rebuild. Obviously wont be a popular direction around here but the man with the gold makes the rules. I think this move is 18 months too soon. But it was inevitable. I don't see this as a disaster but it sure is a head scratcher. I guess we know why Colborne has been getting top 6 minutes, maybe Hartley had some heads up on this.

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#113 Eddie Shore
December 12 2013, 12:14PM
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WildBill_1485 wrote:

Speak for own damn self Soiler fan. We're in the first year of our rebuild and still have a heartbeat in every game. Not like that roller coaster to the North. How many first overall draft picks do you guys need to even be competitive. Do not ever compare our rebuild to yours, you see first hand what a losing culture creates. As I said, even given our current standings, the boys still go out every night and compete for that Flaming C on their chest, not for the party afterwards like those kids up north.

The Flames could not even see the first year through.. No chance Burke has the patience and I suspect some money will start being thrown around in an attempt to be competitive. More of the same for the Flames for the foreseeable future.

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#114 Discosis
December 12 2013, 12:14PM
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Amazing how bad the Calgary media is. How does that press conference go by without anybody asking about the Ryan O'Reilly fiasco and how much that contributed to the decision. Burke was giving pretty straight forward answers...

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#115 Kevin R
December 12 2013, 12:20PM
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Kevin R wrote:

I'm still trying to digest this. Thing is, Feaster has done some very good things but the the things he hasn't done well are career ending type of mistakes. I know most will say that the ROR thing never happened so get over it. Thing is, if it did, this team would have lost Monahan & set this organization back years. I know it is up for debate but I have not been happy with the trade returns for Regehr & JBO. Iggy was a different animal. Teams are desperate for a top pairing Dman, JBO was not a rental, I love Porrier(sp?) but the return was underwhelming for such an important piece. I knew Feaster's days were numbered but I thought his drafting & decent signings would have bought him 1-2 years to stock up before the team needed to change gears.

I think the Cap & the new TV deal has sped up the time table to changing gears. I also expect Edwards wants a long painful rebuild. Obviously wont be a popular direction around here but the man with the gold makes the rules. I think this move is 18 months too soon. But it was inevitable. I don't see this as a disaster but it sure is a head scratcher. I guess we know why Colborne has been getting top 6 minutes, maybe Hartley had some heads up on this.

Correction: sorry I meant to say Edwards does "NOT" want a long slow rebuild.

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#116 prendrefeu
December 12 2013, 12:20PM
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VK63 wrote:

Although on one hand those of us with an interest in the machinations of the Flames shall now be regularly informed. I don't see any change of significance being achieved UNTIL Ken King is unceremoniously sent packing.

The structure of the rot remains identical to the last many manifestations of the flames hierarchy albeit with a different figurehead.

IMHO.

But hey.

theres only one way to go…. and thats up.. no matter who is in charge.

Let the bombastic and arrogant truculent speak begin.

Has there been an online petition (such as change.org) set up to demand the firing of Ken King yet?

Why don't we, the fans, start one? Social media has a *lot* of power. I'm not sure if any of you have been paying attention to the debacle between Specialized Bicycle Components (a US company) and a shop owner in Cochrane, but a few initial stories lead to some powerful debates on some surprisingly influential forums (such as Weight Weenies), and within a few days the tides were overwhelmingly shifted against Specialized - and the impact against Specialized may be more permanent than they first calculated.

Seriously, consider it.

Whoever sets it up needs to have the time to update it and keep it active every once in a while, and at least some social-media influence to get it going.

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#117 WildBill_1485
December 12 2013, 12:21PM
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I would take being competitive all season and playing meaningful games in Feb/March and coming up just short over beginning the debate on who we are going to select first over all in December every year any day (sound familiar Oilers fans?). Sucks we have been a fringe team for so long, but at least its entertaining and our ownership group chooses not to subject the fan base to being the laughing stock of the league year after year in hopes that "next year is our year when all our magic beans sprout".

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#118 negrilcowboy
December 12 2013, 12:22PM
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iggypalooza was the nail in the coffin, janko,ror and the eurotenders pissed burke to the edge. bring on the barn match, someone call vince mcmann

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#119 Colin.S
December 12 2013, 12:22PM
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WildBill_1485 wrote:

All you people complain about Burke's penchant for truculence, yet I guarantee you're all the first to hit their feet when McGrattan drops the mitts to defend our city and the kids. Hypocrites.

How does beating in another goons head defend our city and the kids???

He's not superman, he's paid to beat up other grown men.

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#120 jeremywilhelm
December 12 2013, 12:24PM
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Brian Burke is so F-ing stupid.

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#121 prendrefeu
December 12 2013, 12:25PM
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Primo wrote:

I'm hearing Shanahan as the next GM.

What? The guy who is trying to have less fights, less brutal hits, less injuries, and encourage better sportsmanship and skills among NHL players would be hired by Burke/King?

Who is telling you this? The internetz? 4chan?

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#122 MichaelD
December 12 2013, 12:25PM
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jonahgo wrote:

successful teams are big? is this a fact?

http://mirtle.blogspot.com/2013/01/2013-nhl-teams-by-weight-height-and-age.html

based on these data from the 2013 short season's opening rosters, chicago is 20th in weight and 29th in height... boston is similarly low (and that's including the outlier chara!). the biggest team is winnipeg...

this is gonna be rough folks... yikes.

correction: san jose is bigger than winnipeg, but the point stands; there is absolutely no correlation between team size and success.

Yeah but look at the data, Chicago is at 203, right around the average of 203.5, and Boston is at 200. Calgary is well below league average at 195 in fact thats the lowest in the league. The statement 'successful teams are big' is a bit absolute even for Burke, but the point is we need to get bigger to be successful.

Height too me isn't much of a factor, because you can get short strong guys, and tall lanky guys.

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#123 WildBill_1485
December 12 2013, 12:26PM
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Colin.S wrote:

How does beating in another goons head defend our city and the kids???

He's not superman, he's paid to beat up other grown men.

If you've never laced up a pair at a competitive level you will never understand.

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#124 the-wolf
December 12 2013, 12:27PM
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That Feaster didn't get the season is bizarre, the timing seems very strange.

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#125 Jibmeister
December 12 2013, 12:29PM
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I guess I have to change my avatar..

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#126 prendrefeu
December 12 2013, 12:30PM
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Seriously though: if we lose Gaudreau through this mess that's the end. Some other team will pick him up, comparisons to the next Fleury (or even Crosby) will continually be front page articles across the arc of his career, and we'll be holding onto regret as a bitter fanbase clinging onto tattered jerseys of the past.

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#127 everton fc
December 12 2013, 12:32PM
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The moment Burke was hired, I felt Jay was done. The moment Jay was hired, I felt the Sutter was done. I'll leave it at that.

Never liked Feaster. The Regher trade was a joke. And I felt a better GM could have parlayed more for Iggy and JBo. The Reilly fiasco was, indeed, a fiasco. The Jankowski pick was not prudent.

This is good news for players like Ferland, wh can punch face and play hockey. He's Burke's kind of player. So is Poirier. I think these two will get a long look here.

Not so great for Sven, but maybe Backlund can become what he really always has been - a third line, two-way centre. Me thinks he'll get his chance.

I also wonder what this means for Troy G. Ward. He's a Yank. I have always liked him. But Burke does like the seasoned coaches, which Hartley is. And Hartley likes to play with an edge. Sven has no edge. Nor does Backlund, but I still think Backlund may get more of a look.

Certainly Colborne has found a home back home, in Calgary! Wonder what it means for Ramo and Berra. I do think Burke will move Cammy, though didn't he want him in Toronto? I can see Burke looking at guys like Wayne Simmonds... And I do like the philosophy of the 3rd and 4th lines Burke wants to pursue. Still, I can't stand the guy. And I felt the same way about Burke here, as I did when I read Keenan was coming. Never liked Keenan, either. But Keenan did well here, I think. If we weren't so banged up vs. the Hawks that year, who knows how we would have done.

In many ways, it's like going backwards in time. Wierd, but I'm not really surprised. Shanny might be a good GM. Jason Botteril would be better.

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#128 the truth
December 12 2013, 12:34PM
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WildBill_1485 wrote:

Haha I wish. Pretty sure he has better things to do than troll the message boards. I am a big supporter however, if you couldnt tell. I posted on here the day we NEEDLESSLY traded JBo for magic beans and a prayer wondering why Burkes name was never mentioned in Calgary, then my wish came true, and I knew Fatster would be on his way out. The only move I give credit to Mr. Feaster for is the Kris Russell move, other than that, his trade record is suspect at best.

Kris Russell could of been had for nothing. He was on waivers days before trade. Typical Feaster.

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#129 the forgotten man
December 12 2013, 12:34PM
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How many GMs/coaches has King gone through now? Dude has to be the luckiest Hockey Exec SOB alive...besides Kevin Lowe.

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#130 the forgotten man
December 12 2013, 12:35PM
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Is this finally gong to be the end for Tod(d) Button?

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#131 jeremywilhelm
December 12 2013, 12:35PM
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Edit: the NSA may be watching.

Ignore

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#132 jonahgo
December 12 2013, 12:39PM
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@MichaelD

yeah, i'm not sure that there is even enough variance in these data to say that one team is definitively bigger than the others. however, the statement "successful teams are big[ger] teams" is patently false. successful teams are roughly the same size as other teams, and often a little smaller.

the point is that burke is presenting us with an organizational philosophy that is based on an obviously false premise.

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#133 negrilcowboy
December 12 2013, 12:39PM
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burkoff is a huge fan of jake gardner, liles and dion, whats the betting line on a deal with taranna involving one of the 3 and james reimer? dave poulin has been mentioned as a gm candidate, also fenton.

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#134 everton fc
December 12 2013, 12:41PM
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negrilcowboy wrote:

burkoff is a huge fan of jake gardner, liles and dion, whats the betting line on a deal with taranna involving one of the 3 and james reimer? dave poulin has been mentioned as a gm candidate, also fenton.

Fenton would be his first major win. I'd take Fenton.

(Does this mean Tootoo's becomes a 4th line plugger?! Better production than McGrattan!:) )

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#135 WildBill_1485
December 12 2013, 12:42PM
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the truth wrote:

Kris Russell could of been had for nothing. He was on waivers days before trade. Typical Feaster.

Ah ah, forgot about that fact, good point! Another bumbling Feaster move that I had previously praised him for, thanks for reminding me!

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#136 Parallex
December 12 2013, 12:43PM
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Kevin R wrote:

Correction: sorry I meant to say Edwards does "NOT" want a long slow rebuild.

Truth be told I don't want a long slow rebuild either... I DO want the Flames to have a better then good shot at one of McDavid, Eichel, Barzal (THose are franchise type guys) next year but beyond that I want to Flames to use their cheque book and start pushing for a winner.

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#137 jeremywilhelm
December 12 2013, 12:44PM
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the truth wrote:

Kris Russell could of been had for nothing. He was on waivers days before trade. Typical Feaster.

Feaster didn't want to go to arbitration with him. He let the Blues sign and trade.

Not the greatest move but slightly understandable.

Top four Dman for what? A 5th?

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#138 RKD
December 12 2013, 12:46PM
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I'm not surprised, ever since Brian Burke was hired a lot people including myself were just waiting for the other shoe to drop. Despite Brian's denial at the time, no GM's job is safe. A lot of things probably went into the decision like the returns Feaster got for Iggy, Jay-Bo and Reg. I bet there was a lot of fear of what Feaster would get in return for a guy like Cammy.

Jay: John and I really like this player. Brian: I don't like him.

That was a very telling moment, he has a very different view of evaluating player talent. He inherited the team in Anaheim from Burke and pretty much built the Leafs. However, I want Calgary to be a Chicago or a Boston powerhouse team. I don't want to rebuild like the Leafs and give up 50 shots a night. I have a feeling Hartley will be next.

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#139 Parallex
December 12 2013, 12:47PM
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@everton fc

I think we still would have lost against the 'Hawks that year. Of course without the banged up bodies we wouldn't have limped down the stretch and we would have never faced them in the first round so...

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#140 Ed Wailin'
December 12 2013, 12:48PM
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I wonder if that snowy day in rural Quebec in December 2011 when Weisbrod was admittedly "having a bad day" could have known that he was sealing both his and Feaster's fate almost 2 years later to the day....

http://ca.sports.yahoo.com/blogs/jrhockey-buzzing-the-net/2012-nhl-draft-calgary-flames-mark-jankowski-goes-052648549.html

Burkie pretty much threw him under the bus with his comments about "I don't know much about weisbrod"... thinking back on it all... I think I'm more than ok with it. The scouting tactics seemed "suspect" even at the best of times, and has always been our Achilles heel.

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#141 everton fc
December 12 2013, 12:49PM
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Parallex wrote:

Truth be told I don't want a long slow rebuild either... I DO want the Flames to have a better then good shot at one of McDavid, Eichel, Barzal (THose are franchise type guys) next year but beyond that I want to Flames to use their cheque book and start pushing for a winner.

As fans, we should want to win now. Every evening. This can be done, and we can still draft wisely. I think this is what Burke's getting at - playing for the first pick doesn't always work. Look at how quick Sakic and Roy turned the Avs around. Guy like Cody McLeod and Patrick Bordeleau (who's got 4 goals and gave it to McGrattan pretty bad when they fought)... This is the direction Burke wants to go. Generally speaking.

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#142 everton fc
December 12 2013, 12:50PM
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@ Parallax

"Yep".

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#143 Jeff In Lethbridge
December 12 2013, 12:56PM
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Feaster is now the best GM not playing in the NHL

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#144 everton fc
December 12 2013, 01:01PM
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Burke's comments about surrounding Gaudreau with "beef"... If Ferland turns into something, that's be a nice linemate for Johnny G, if Ferland can play RW.

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#145 Colin.S
December 12 2013, 01:05PM
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WildBill_1485 wrote:

If you've never laced up a pair at a competitive level you will never understand.

Have you???

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#146 suba steve
December 12 2013, 01:07PM
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everton fc wrote:

As fans, we should want to win now. Every evening. This can be done, and we can still draft wisely. I think this is what Burke's getting at - playing for the first pick doesn't always work. Look at how quick Sakic and Roy turned the Avs around. Guy like Cody McLeod and Patrick Bordeleau (who's got 4 goals and gave it to McGrattan pretty bad when they fought)... This is the direction Burke wants to go. Generally speaking.

Pretty sure that "Sakic and Roy turned the Avs around" some time after a string of high draft picks that included Eric Lindros, who got the Nords a truckload of talent in trade (Forsberg included).

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#147 Colin.S
December 12 2013, 01:08PM
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Also for those that didn't see it, apparently Ryan Howse is still a thing and is on Twitter and had this to say:

"Wow Calgary one year too late on that one if that was last year I'd still be playing #zing #lovehockeytoday #iwannacomeback" - Ryan Howse (@RHowse27)

Really? Dude was worse than Greg Nemisz, good riddance.

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#148 the forgotten man
December 12 2013, 01:11PM
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Kent, could yourself of someone on the FN Board put together a collage of Feasterisms...I will miss him for the "left-field" soundbites.

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#149 Dr. Philosophy
December 12 2013, 01:12PM
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Has there ever been a GM who was more distinguished at throwing out quotes that make himself look stupid than Feaster?

A random sample:

"We will make the playoffs this year."

"Cervenka is the best player not in the NHL."

"We will get it done." -- early last season on extending Iggy

"We disagree with the NHL's interpretation" -- on ROR

Turning your company/franchise into a running joke in the league is not a good way to keep your job.

It is curious, though, that Burke's yearly Christmas trade ban is now in place but he nevertheless pulled the trigger on Feaster.

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#150 Parallex
December 12 2013, 01:12PM
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Burke's comments about surrounding Gaudreau with "beef"... If Ferland turns into something, that's be a nice linemate for Johnny G, if Ferland can play RW.

See that's the thing I hate about Burke... he seems to think that Big = Good and that's just not true. Boston and LA aren't strong teams because they have big players they have big player yes but those same players are also highly skilled and I just don't get the impression that Burke sees the difference.

I'd rather the Flames be like Chicago then either of those two teams and Chicago isn't big at all.

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