Breaking: Flames Fire Feaster & Weisbrod

Ryan Pike
December 12 2013 10:18AM

 

 

The Flames official Twitter account has announced that Jay Feaster and John Weisbrod have been relieved of their duties.

A press conference with real, actual details is coming up at 11am.

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Now in his third full season covering the Calgary Flames and the NHL, Ryan Pike is a Calgary native and FlamesNation's managing editor. He's trying to keep his head up, his stick on the ice and is giving it 110% every shift. You can also find his work at The Hockey Writers, the Wrestling Observer and Tough Talk MMA.
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#151 WildBill_1485
December 12 2013, 01:13PM
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@Colin.S

Yes sir, concussions forced me into an early retirement however because I played in a league that did not allow the players to police themselves, therefore guys run around without fear of any consequences and run guys from behind regularly (the one that ended my career broke my orbital bone and forced me to stay in my dark basement for months, and three years later I have not fully recovered). The guy who did it got a one game suspension, and I have not been able to play since. Bet he would have thought twice before running me from behind if Big Mac was on our bench and he wasnt handcuffed by instigator rules.

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#152 everton fc
December 12 2013, 01:14PM
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suba steve wrote:

Pretty sure that "Sakic and Roy turned the Avs around" some time after a string of high draft picks that included Eric Lindros, who got the Nords a truckload of talent in trade (Forsberg included).

Roy's presence in the organization, and his "fire", have the Avs 11 games over .500. My opinion, of course.

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#153 Southern_Point
December 12 2013, 01:17PM
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@WildBill_1485

I'm pretty sure Savard had his career ended after a dirty hit. Why did that happen if the NHL allows fighting?

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#154 Colin.S
December 12 2013, 01:19PM
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Alright I'll bite, what league??

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#155 Eddie Shore
December 12 2013, 01:19PM
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everton fc wrote:

Roy's presence in the organization, and his "fire", have the Avs 11 games over .500. My opinion, of course.

I think starting the year with your goalies having like .950 save percentages helps.

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#156 everton fc
December 12 2013, 01:19PM
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Parallex wrote:

See that's the thing I hate about Burke... he seems to think that Big = Good and that's just not true. Boston and LA aren't strong teams because they have big players they have big player yes but those same players are also highly skilled and I just don't get the impression that Burke sees the difference.

I'd rather the Flames be like Chicago then either of those two teams and Chicago isn't big at all.

I'm not a Burke fan. That said, we're stuck with him. Looks like Nieuwendyk's the front runner for GM.

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#157 everton fc
December 12 2013, 01:20PM
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Yep. And Roy was a goalie. Could be a possible connection. He's done a lot, with less of a roster than some teams.

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#158 WildBill_1485
December 12 2013, 01:22PM
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Again, if you've never laced up a pair, you will never understand. Hockey is a man's game, its getting bigger and faster and obviously more dangerous, and the only safety valve that used to keep the rats like Cook and Marchand from running around like tough guys has been taken out (instigator). Please, if you are just a fan who enjoys the sport and have never played competitively, do not try and talk like you know what goes on in the heat of a battle.

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#159 redricardo
December 12 2013, 01:22PM
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So to summarize Burke's explanation of why Feaster is gone:

The hard part of rebuilding is trying to manage assets, but Feaster did a good job of that, and managing the cap.

Drafts are important, and you need to hit a homerun. Also, Feaster did that this year.

The team is playing good, and he's proud of them, but disappointed in the ability to hold leads the last month, but this had nothing to do with it.

All that being said, Burke knows how to win, and you have to be big and mean, and even though Feaster did all the things Burke said were important... You know... #Gritchart.

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#160 KingQuong
December 12 2013, 01:46PM
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Never have I ever been so frustrated, why wisebrod? I hope we keep Hartley and don't attempt a phill kessel like trade. Friggggggg!!! I hope we just keep on doing what we have been doing and don't mess this rebuild up I don't want the flames to end up like Toronto.

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#161 Parallex
December 12 2013, 01:49PM
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Blah blah blah... please continue to regal us with stories of how you know better then everyone else because you played in whatever 4th rate senior men's quasi-beer league (assuming you're not some 14 year old making crap up) you played in.

You know what... prove it. Prove it without resorting to articule of faith anacdotes or appeals to authority. Show me the evidence

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#162 T&A4Flames
December 12 2013, 01:52PM
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Colin.S wrote:

The good news is they fired Feaster, the bad news is the guy that is going to hire his "replacement" isn't someone I want in charge either.

I already see potential candidates being thrown around on Twitter. But honestly with Burke in the position he's in and it's well known he's making the decisions, what high profile GM are we going to lure from another team, when Burke is already acting as GM?

Expect some retread GM from his time in some other org and whole lot of losing in our future.

ALSO!! Predictions time. Hartley and his staff are fired at the end of the year, this is mostly because the Flames probably don't want to be paying out a ton for a fired coach and then the new guy when the season is a lost cause anyways, so we wait till the offseason for a new coach. Baertschi/Backlund/Gaudreau will not be with the team next year, probably by the end of this year. Wisebrod was the guy I primarily credit with drafting Gaudreau and without him around and Burke's GET BIG mentality, I don't see him around, I expect him to get packed with a first rounder of ours for BIG forward.

Haven't read through all the comments. But in case it hasn't been said, Weisbrod wasn't around when Gaudreau was drafted. He was still in BOS. That was all Feaster and his scouts.

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#163 Spaceman Spiff
December 12 2013, 01:55PM
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Listen, from this Oiler-fan’s perspective … this is a bit of a scary move. We can all make fun of Burke and his bombastic, truculent style, but the guy’s won in this league and I think he knows how to build a team.

He made Vancouver a contender and he won a Cup in Anaheim. The Leafs, although up-and-down a bit this year, turned a corner last year and it was largely with players he drafted or acquired. He drafted (and later traded for) Chris Pronger and pulled a bunch of complex strings to get the Sedin twins together. His career as a GM makes many others pale in comparison nowadays (which is probably a bit sad, but that’s not his fault). He’s not Cliff Fletcher, obviously, but he’s been pretty damn good at the job for a long time.

We all knew this was coming, of course – although who knew it would take this long? Feaster couldn’t bring himself to even utter the word “rebuild” until sometime last year and that’s obviously set the franchise back at least two years. The O’Reilly almost-signing was an almost-disaster of epic proportion. In the first round of the draft, he took a high school kid from a hockey country where high school hockey has ZERO upside (Canada). He dithered on Iginla for too long and got little in return. He got nothing for Kiprusoff, who probably could have helped two or three playoff teams last year.

And all of the above in the last 12 months!

And, no doubt, it will certainly be entertaining as Burkie squabbles with the Calgary media.

But, from up here, you’ll hear no crowing from me. A spinoff of Burke’s Calgary takeover is that it further turns up the heat on Oilers management which hasn’t accomplished anything close to what Burke’s done in this league.

As far as I’m concerned, MacT and the Oilers are now REALLY on the clock. I’m just hoping Burke doesn’t pick it up and hit them over the head with it.

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#164 Parallex
December 12 2013, 02:05PM
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"but the guy’s won in this league and I think he knows how to build a team."

He's also lost in this league and built bad teams.

Yes, he was GM of a team that won a cup (with a team largely built by someone else) you know who else has done that... Feaster. Burke's successes are all in the not so recent past and his failures a whole lot fresher in the memory.

Say what you will about Feaster but I always got the impression from him that he knew what he didn't know, Burke more gives the impression that he thinks he knows everything.

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#165 Southern_Point
December 12 2013, 02:11PM
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I didn't realize I was going to have my masculinity questioned, in light of that informative answer my question seems non-masculine and silly. How is it a man's game when women play it as well, and children. I'm pretty this notion that it's a 'man's game' and men should fight each other is more harmful then just not fighting each other.

Also I live Canada so of course 'I've laced up a pair.' You aren't going to war to kill people you are playing sport.

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#166 Justin Azevedo
December 12 2013, 02:16PM
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@WildBill_1485

snide appeals to authority don't go over very well here.

let's all calm it down a little, folks.

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#167 Veggie Dog
December 12 2013, 02:26PM
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@WildBill_1485

This is a fan website, if it is not to your liking, perhaps your league buddies are a better source of conversation. I am not sure why someone's opinion is less valid because they are a primarily a fan. I will wager that most on this site (by virtue of growing up in Canada) have at least played/ Perhaps not "competitively", whatever that means, but nonetheless they are familiar with the game.

Also, guys like Yzerman (who I suspect may know a thing or two about hockey) are against fighting. So it is not like this opinion is completely beyond the realm of discussion. Frankly, I don't care one way or the other. I don't especially enjoy fights, nor is it my business is Brian McGrattan wants to pummel his head to an early death or degenerative brain disease.

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#168 Lober
December 12 2013, 02:29PM
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Well Sven got sent to the AHL so you could say I'm pretty pissed

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#169 kittensandcookies
December 12 2013, 02:30PM
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What is the point of this move?

Will getting a new GM make the team better?

Yup, Feaster made some bad moves. This doesn't mean the next GM will be any better.

When the team sucks next year, will that new GM also get fired? Or maybe the team will hire a "Proconsul of the adjunct President" to make Burke a lame duck and then fire Burke in a year and a half?

At best, this team moves sideways, regardless of management changes. This is not necessarily a bad thing at this point in time.

This team has gaping holes at every position. This will only be resolved via good drafting. This means it will take time, since, you know, drafted players take time to develop.

Just remember kiddies, the first year Sidney Crosby played for the Penguins and amassed 102 points, the team finished second last in the league.

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#170 Veggie Dog
December 12 2013, 02:35PM
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Lober wrote:

Well Sven got sent to the AHL so you could say I'm pretty pissed

Sigh

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#171 TRAV
December 12 2013, 02:37PM
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I was surprised. I liked Feaster and thought that he and Weisbrod had us on a good track. Liked our draft picks, college signing and AHL team Having said that if asked to evaluate him it would be like a C+. He's just made too many mistakes. (though I've defended him here often) I would speculate that Janko, JBo return, Iginla mess at trade deadline, Regehr trade, RoR offer sheet, Euro goalie mess, waiting too long to move talent- all factored into the decision.

I think that Feaster is a decent GM but not sure he is elite. Burke holds a great press conference but I don't know about him picking the next GM. Hopefully he gets the right guy.

While I am not thrilled about the move I also am not hitting the panic button. He did talk about the importance of skill and looking at his draft record and trades it is clear that he recognizes the need for skilled players. (I don't think he is in the same mold as Sutter)

I see this more as a lateral move with the hiring of the next GM as the trigger that either makes it a great move or a mistake!

Was thrilled to hear that Burke contacted BC college straight away and talked about what a great player he thought Johnny G was.

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#172 TRAV
December 12 2013, 02:44PM
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To be honest i think that this is a great move. Heard Ken Holland talking about developing players and his quote was, "The NHL is not the league for players to learn how to play the game. We believe in seasoning guys in the minors so that they can learn to play properly. It is a very rare guy who can come into the league and develop his skill/ confidence in the NHL. This is just not the way we do things in Detroit."

Sven is a player who is not playing with confidence. Stats support this. (2 goals/ limited minutes) He is too important to have flounder. He needs to go down and dominate, regain confidence and play a crap load of minutes. I actually think that this move shows that Burke values Sven too much to watch him take steps backward.

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#173 McRib
December 12 2013, 02:47PM
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In all fairness to Brian Burke he did draft one of the most skilled big players in the league (Getzlaf)....

Also Corey Perry during his draft year was not considered a first rounder by most... But that paid off big time for Anaheim and Perry could be considered a "big" player as well at 6'3". The Sedins are also "big" players at 6'2".

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#174 Veggie Dog
December 12 2013, 02:50PM
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TRAV wrote:

To be honest i think that this is a great move. Heard Ken Holland talking about developing players and his quote was, "The NHL is not the league for players to learn how to play the game. We believe in seasoning guys in the minors so that they can learn to play properly. It is a very rare guy who can come into the league and develop his skill/ confidence in the NHL. This is just not the way we do things in Detroit."

Sven is a player who is not playing with confidence. Stats support this. (2 goals/ limited minutes) He is too important to have flounder. He needs to go down and dominate, regain confidence and play a crap load of minutes. I actually think that this move shows that Burke values Sven too much to watch him take steps backward.

Possibly, but from his comments earlier in the year it could also be a sign that he is not a fan of the kid.

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#175 Parallex
December 12 2013, 02:52PM
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Kind of rich if those are the reasons considering that Burke himself has made bad trades and fished around in the Euro leagues for goalies in the not to distent past.

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#176 Graham
December 12 2013, 02:55PM
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Edward's made it clear last year that he expected the team to be competitive, and to be in a hunt for a playoff spot. Feaster simply failed to deliver, and has paid the price. Failed return on key trades, suspect drafting, the potential ROR disaster, lack of intellectual honesty, failed use of cap space, key prospects taking backward steps to name a few. Bravo Burke, you made the moves that needed to be made.

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#177 McRib
December 12 2013, 02:56PM
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Colin.S wrote:

Also for those that didn't see it, apparently Ryan Howse is still a thing and is on Twitter and had this to say:

"Wow Calgary one year too late on that one if that was last year I'd still be playing #zing #lovehockeytoday #iwannacomeback" - Ryan Howse (@RHowse27)

Really? Dude was worse than Greg Nemisz, good riddance.

Interesting Ryan Howse managed to make a tweet from a bar stool.... Only one to blame for his lack of a career is himself. When you are a third rounder instead of a first rounder your draft year because of medicore skating and you never work on it.... Guess what you are never going to play Pro.

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#178 Colin.S
December 12 2013, 02:56PM
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T&A4Flames wrote:

Haven't read through all the comments. But in case it hasn't been said, Weisbrod wasn't around when Gaudreau was drafted. He was still in BOS. That was all Feaster and his scouts.

He was hired less than 48 hours after Gaudreau was drafted, now I'm not saying there was tampering or anything like that. But what I'm saying is that the Flames had contact with him well before the draft(you don't make decisions like this is 48 hours) and maybe a name or two came up in those discussions.

Looking at all the drafts before 2011, it wasn't like we just started drafting US players but there was usually one a year, but they all fit the same mold, big guys, not much offence. Gaudreau was a drastic difference from the guys we usually drafted, I'm guessing someone other than the guy we usually had scouting North Eastern US junior hockey probably had some input into that decision.

I mean maybe Feaster and Co decided to go completely off the board at random just to show the fans how different he was from Sutter and willing to take small guys and it just so happened to work out so well for him, but I doubt it.

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#179 Dave
December 12 2013, 02:56PM
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I'm a big fan of the Berra/Ramo situation. It's a lot better then it could have been considering Kippers retirement. Give Ramo some time and I'm sure he'll be at least an average NHL goalie. And many teams have won the cup with average goaltending.

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#180 Lordmork
December 12 2013, 03:01PM
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As near as I can tell, Howse has since deleted his twitter account, probably because he got a half dozen comments saying pretty much that.

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#181 redricardo
December 12 2013, 03:01PM
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Damien Cox is arguing that Burke should be the GM of the Flames.

Cox thinking it's a good idea, is the best counter argument on why Burke should NOT be the GM

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#182 McRib
December 12 2013, 03:03PM
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Ya, I believe John Weisbrod was sitting at our table draft day when they selected Johnny Gaudreau. It was all but official. The Flames actually fired most of the that old scouting staff (somehow Todd Button hung in there AGAIN) the night after the draft and John Weisbrod was hired a day or two later its obvious who made the pick.

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#183 SeanCharles
December 12 2013, 03:07PM
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From day 1 I have been a Feaster supporter. He drafted a lot of good prospects for us and did a lot of positive things for this organization without much to work with.

That being said I can live with this move as long as players like Gaudreau, Sven and Brodie don't get traded..

These 3 are smaller than our other top young players and I feel they are integral to our rebuild.

I just hope Burke does too.

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#184 McRib
December 12 2013, 03:16PM
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Now that I have digested the shock from this morning, I actually don't mind this move. You look at Jay Bouwmeester who is currently 7th in defense scoring (+13)... You gotta think we could have gotten more in a trade for him than we did....

That's the thing with Feaster he made some likeable moves, but also could have done better in almost every situation. I am an advocate of getting Mark Jankowski & Sieloff, but would be the first to admit I would have much rathered Girgensons, Teravainen, Hertl, Laughton, Maatta, etc.

I think the biggest thing for me is Feaster was growing on me because of some prospects success (Monahan, Poirier, Johnny Hockey, etc) and the AHL teams record, but we also could have done better and was more shocked at the timing of the firing if anything.

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#185 Kent Wilson
December 12 2013, 03:26PM
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redricardo wrote:

Damien Cox is arguing that Burke should be the GM of the Flames.

Cox thinking it's a good idea, is the best counter argument on why Burke should NOT be the GM

Bears repeating.

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#186 TRAV
December 12 2013, 03:32PM
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Parallex wrote:

Kind of rich if those are the reasons considering that Burke himself has made bad trades and fished around in the Euro leagues for goalies in the not to distent past.

Truthfully I was surprised. Most would say Feaster has been okay. (Don't think that you can argue that he has been brilliant or truly terrible. Some good some bad.)

I have heard some proclaim that if they made a massive RoR blunder in their line of work that they would have been fired right then. None of us will ever know the exact reasoning but I gotta think that Janko, RoR, Iginla fiasco, JBo move etc. contributed to decision.

If nothing else I expect that fans will have more to comment on. Burke is never boring....

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#187 Jeff Lebowski
December 12 2013, 03:38PM
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I'm totally disappointed by this move. This is the worst decision that could've been made IMO.

Not winning enough during a rebuilding year?! Look at the drafting record of the fired regime. Look at the AHL Heat .

Fire the coach if the team isn't 'performing'.

I was so proud of the direction Calgary was headed.

This just reeks of desperation, zero planning and forgoing process in favour of (financial) results

COMPARE FLAMES REBUILD TO OILERS. How about that as a standard for how Calgary had been doing in terms of results.

F$&k you Burke. I'm done.

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#188 wineeditor
December 12 2013, 04:12PM
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jonahgo wrote:

successful teams are big? is this a fact?

http://mirtle.blogspot.com/2013/01/2013-nhl-teams-by-weight-height-and-age.html

based on these data from the 2013 short season's opening rosters, chicago is 20th in weight and 29th in height... boston is similarly low (and that's including the outlier chara!). the biggest team is winnipeg...

this is gonna be rough folks... yikes.

correction: san jose is bigger than winnipeg, but the point stands; there is absolutely no correlation between team size and success.

Your point is well taken however the top 5 teams in the West's MEDIAN (better stat than average as it allows you to be big while still having smaller skilled forwards) Forward weight is at MINIMUM 6 pounds heavier than the Flames (top 13 Forward point getters for each team: Chicago 202, SJ 202, St L 212, Anaheim 206 and LA 207- to the Flames 196) Only Edmonton is even close to Calgary. A 6 pound + Median Weight differential is HUGE!

The argument isn't that bigger is necessarily better BUT if you want the parade (a la burke.....meaning if you want to play 4 play off series in one year) your size had better APPROXIMATE your opponents then skill can take over. If you don't approximate size you WILL get worn down and never win anything.

Burke isn't going to re tool the whole team but we do need about 3 big wingers (205 +) who can also play hockey to augment smaller forwards (Boston Collage, Hudler , Baertshi etc). They don't have to be super stars cuz hopefully your smaller players can preform that task. I'm pretty sure that's what Burke implied and I am all for it!

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#189 everton fc
December 12 2013, 04:40PM
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TRAV wrote:

To be honest i think that this is a great move. Heard Ken Holland talking about developing players and his quote was, "The NHL is not the league for players to learn how to play the game. We believe in seasoning guys in the minors so that they can learn to play properly. It is a very rare guy who can come into the league and develop his skill/ confidence in the NHL. This is just not the way we do things in Detroit."

Sven is a player who is not playing with confidence. Stats support this. (2 goals/ limited minutes) He is too important to have flounder. He needs to go down and dominate, regain confidence and play a crap load of minutes. I actually think that this move shows that Burke values Sven too much to watch him take steps backward.

The best thinkg for Sven is Troy G. Ward. Look what he's done for B. Jones.

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#190 Baceda
December 12 2013, 04:48PM
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WildBill_1485 wrote:

All you people complain about Burke's penchant for truculence, yet I guarantee you're all the first to hit their feet when McGrattan drops the mitts to defend our city and the kids. Hypocrites.

Oh you guarantee it do you? Well then it must be true. Sure I like seeing a guy fight in the right circumstance, but I'd prefer he also be a guy who can play more than 5 minutes a night.

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#191 WildBill_1485
December 12 2013, 04:48PM
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First of all, I would like to apologize for the way I come across sometimes. I do not mean to question anyone's passion or love for our team, like someone said, that's why we are all here and everyone's point is just as valid as my own. I get fired up sometimes (because of the way my career was taken from me), like any kid in Canada I lived and breathed (playing) this game from the first time my parents put me in skates when I was 4.

To Parallex: I do not have to prove anything to you, I will stick behind the point of a user name for the intended purpose of it, anonymity. But for the record, I was 14 when I attended my first WHL main camp, and to give you an idea of my current age that was back when Edmonton had the Ice. The '4th rate senior quasi-beer league' I played in paid for my first degree, hence the reason fighting was frowned upon in the league. Having played 4 years of junior before that, where fighting was allowed, I can tell you first hand the difference between two such leagues. When guys lose the fear of being held accountable for their actions, everyone becomes the toughest guy on earth. Stickwork, trash talking, and dirty play goes way up. If you do not believe me, go watch the Sait Trojans play, then compare it to a Calgary Hitmen game. That is best way I can 'prove it to you'.

To Southern Point: I am sorry I came across as questioning your own personal masculinity. All I was saying there was that there is a reason why a hockey player breaks his leg and still tries to get to the bench, and a reason why a basketball player gets a leg cramp and needs to be carried off the court. To this day there has not been a female skater in the NHL, I guess I was only wrong in saying "hockey" instead of "the NHL" (and all the leagues that feed into it). I do not mean to take anything away from women's hockey, I have coached both genders and the team I currently coach was fortunate enough to play the Canadian Women's team this year, and those girls can play. They are just two different games however, and I don't think that is unfair to say.

"Also I live Canada so of course 'I've laced up a pair.' You aren't going to war to kill people you are playing sport."

Sorry I do not mean for this to sound condescending again, but right there is what I mean by "competitively". If you haven't played at a level where you are going to 'war' figuratively, then you don't have the same understanding of the game as I do. Not saying that 'that' is better or worse than you, it is just what I chose to do with my life. I never played football before, I don't go around saying the rules need to be changed because there are so many head injuries. People still pay money to see it.

To everyone else: Again, sorry. Do not mean to be 'that guy', I'll try and keep er calmer! That is just where I come from!

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#192 EugeneV
December 12 2013, 05:05PM
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suba steve wrote:

Pretty sure that "Sakic and Roy turned the Avs around" some time after a string of high draft picks that included Eric Lindros, who got the Nords a truckload of talent in trade (Forsberg included).

Yeah, wakey wakey. He means this year. 29th to whatever they are now. Not 1990 whatever.

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#193 EugeneV
December 12 2013, 05:08PM
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Parallex wrote:

See that's the thing I hate about Burke... he seems to think that Big = Good and that's just not true. Boston and LA aren't strong teams because they have big players they have big player yes but those same players are also highly skilled and I just don't get the impression that Burke sees the difference.

I'd rather the Flames be like Chicago then either of those two teams and Chicago isn't big at all.

Pretty sure he means big and talented, not just big.

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#194 Andy7189
December 12 2013, 05:17PM
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Southern_Point wrote:

I liked Weisbrod's drafting philosophy, we can discuss the merits of drafting Janko but it's the same mindset that saw us draft Johnny hockey, so I'm a little disappointed to see him go as well.

You have to think this was a little harsh given that neither Feaster or Weisbrod have been particularly poor at their Job, but there is obviously a story behind it.

I am torn between wanting Hartley fired and not wanting to see Ron Wilson anywhere near Calgary.

Fire Hartley? For what???

A return to Brent Sutter mind numbingly boring, pointless moronic "system" adherence?

Those kids work hard for Bob. Some call them the hardest working team in the NHL.

If the Flames had a decent 3 & 4 Defence pairing, they'd be not bad all things considered. And they may have them, but they have not developed yet.

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#195 Matt
December 12 2013, 05:18PM
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WildBill_1485 wrote:

Yes sir, concussions forced me into an early retirement however because I played in a league that did not allow the players to police themselves, therefore guys run around without fear of any consequences and run guys from behind regularly (the one that ended my career broke my orbital bone and forced me to stay in my dark basement for months, and three years later I have not fully recovered). The guy who did it got a one game suspension, and I have not been able to play since. Bet he would have thought twice before running me from behind if Big Mac was on our bench and he wasnt handcuffed by instigator rules.

What a bunch of nonsense. If "players police themselves" then you'd end up with two guys with ended careers from concussions rather than one. The problem isn't that someone didn't beat the crap out of whoever hit you, the problem was that the guy who hit you got a one-game suspension instead of suspended for the remainder of the season.

Violence begets violence. You want to get this out of the game, start giving players real suspensions and real fines. Ten games for concussing someone on a dirty play should be the *minimum*, not the maximum. You see a guy lose four months of playing time and two million in salary, you're going to think twice about throwing that stupid check.

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#196 TRAV
December 12 2013, 05:19PM
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I agree with those who have said that being big isn't the answer. Being skilled and small also not the recipe. Need to have a combo of size/speed and skill. Darren Haynes wrote on twitter

"When Chicago beat the Bruins to win 2013 Stanley Cup, both teams combined had 5 players shorter than 6-foot-0. Tue vs Boston, #Flames had 6."

To be honest the best analogy is that old Nintendo Ice hockey video game where you could pick the super fast skinny guys or the huge fat slow guys. Usually the balanced team won. (great tunes to boot) Apologies to those born post Nintendo Ice Hockey. A true classic!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5kXVFCfBWoQ

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#197 EugeneV
December 12 2013, 05:22PM
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Lober wrote:

Well Sven got sent to the AHL so you could say I'm pretty pissed

He should be in the AHL. Should have been all season. And last season as well. Then he would have been ready for 2014/15.

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#198 Colin.S
December 12 2013, 05:24PM
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McRib wrote:

Now that I have digested the shock from this morning, I actually don't mind this move. You look at Jay Bouwmeester who is currently 7th in defense scoring (+13)... You gotta think we could have gotten more in a trade for him than we did....

That's the thing with Feaster he made some likeable moves, but also could have done better in almost every situation. I am an advocate of getting Mark Jankowski & Sieloff, but would be the first to admit I would have much rathered Girgensons, Teravainen, Hertl, Laughton, Maatta, etc.

I think the biggest thing for me is Feaster was growing on me because of some prospects success (Monahan, Poirier, Johnny Hockey, etc) and the AHL teams record, but we also could have done better and was more shocked at the timing of the firing if anything.

I agree with most of what you say minus having Girgensons, really hasn't impressed me that much and is supposed to have a much lower ceiling as well.

As well the Bouwmeester point. The problem with Bouwmeester was never him, it was our utilization and deployment of him. We never played him the way a player like him should be played. We never gave him the opportunity to be flashy or put up big points or give him a half decent defensive partner that he could rely on(LOL BUTLER!). I think he played with Giordano here and there, but for he was also partnered with other very immobile defensemen. It's hardly Feasters fault what happened with Bouwmeester, that ship had long sailed by the time he was hired(lol Sutter).

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#199 Burnward
December 12 2013, 06:39PM
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Well guys, grab ya popcorn! Sheets about to get very interesting.

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#200 Parallex
December 12 2013, 07:00PM
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EugeneV wrote:

Pretty sure he means big and talented, not just big.

I'm not... more precisely I think that if he's given a choice between average sized and more talented or big and less talented he'll choose less talented.

I just pray that whomever is hired as GM isn't hired on his willingness to be a puppet and that Burke is humble (HA!) enough to let someone with a perspective other then his own into the room.

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