Breaking: Flames Fire Feaster & Weisbrod

Ryan Pike
December 12 2013 10:18AM

 

 

The Flames official Twitter account has announced that Jay Feaster and John Weisbrod have been relieved of their duties.

A press conference with real, actual details is coming up at 11am.

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Ryan Pike is a Calgary native and FlamesNation's managing editor. He's covered the Flames and the NHL since 2010. His work can also be found at The Hockey Writers and The Wrestling Observer.
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#1 SmellOfVictory
December 12 2013, 10:20AM
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I'm calling it: this is the moment the rebuild goes off the rails.

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#2 CutterMcAwesome
December 12 2013, 10:24AM
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Does anyone else think this kind of came out of left field?

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#3 JaromeTakesSlapShots
December 12 2013, 10:21AM
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Please oh please don't let Burke be the new GM.

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#4 Kent Wilson
December 12 2013, 10:32AM
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I guess the Christmas roster freeze doesn't extend to management.

Surprised this happened now. Timing seems odd.

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#5 Jeff In Lethbridge
December 12 2013, 12:56PM
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Feaster is now the best GM not playing in the NHL

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#6 GermanFlame
December 12 2013, 10:27AM
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Wow! If Brian Burke is the new Flames new GM I am scared for Sven and/or Backlund's future with this organization.

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#7 Southern_Point
December 12 2013, 10:27AM
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I liked Weisbrod's drafting philosophy, we can discuss the merits of drafting Janko but it's the same mindset that saw us draft Johnny hockey, so I'm a little disappointed to see him go as well.

You have to think this was a little harsh given that neither Feaster or Weisbrod have been particularly poor at their Job, but there is obviously a story behind it.

I am torn between wanting Hartley fired and not wanting to see Ron Wilson anywhere near Calgary.

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#8 seve927
December 12 2013, 10:58AM
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Edwards just realized Tuesday Feaster traded Iggy?

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#9 Byron Bader
December 12 2013, 10:37AM
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Holy hell. I don't think this bodes well for Johnny Hockey, Backs or Sven. I'm actually a little terrified of what Burke's about to do here. The team that Burke built in Toronto is one of the worst possession teams in the league, currently riding off a cliff and they don't even know it.

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#10 Veggie Dog
December 12 2013, 11:17AM
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His comment just now " I have been doing this a long time, and I think I know what I am doing." Is terrifyingly similar to K-Lowe :(

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#11 Stockley
December 12 2013, 10:26AM
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Isn't the team supposed to be horrible this year? How long before he packages Backs, Sven and anyone else under 6'7 for some washed up nobodies or pending free agents?

This just doesn't make any sense to me. The timing is way off.

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#12 Jibmeister
December 12 2013, 12:29PM
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I guess I have to change my avatar..

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#13 Justin Azevedo
December 12 2013, 10:45AM
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you guys wanted brian burke? you got him.

as bad as feaster was, you're going to see why i preferred him to burke.

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#14 aloudoun
December 12 2013, 10:25AM
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Im actually stunned. Wow. Maybe Burke wanted to trade someone and Feaster didnt? Argument went to King and Feaster lost?

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#15 Lordmork
December 12 2013, 10:25AM
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So I guess we're going to load up on free agents and make a run for 8th place next year? I may not have liked everything Feaster did, but at least he seemed to have a plan and things seemed to be going according to it.

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#16 jeremywilhelm
December 12 2013, 10:23AM
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What in the f just happened?

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#17 backburner
December 12 2013, 10:24AM
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WTF!?

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#18 mattyc
December 12 2013, 10:57AM
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My first reaction was: I can't believe they fired Wisebrod as well.

My second reaction was: wtf?!

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#19 OIL FAN IN CALGARY
December 12 2013, 11:48AM
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COULD YOU PLEASE SEND BURKE ABOUT 300 MILES NORTH AND CAN OUR USELESS 6 RING CIRCUS GM? PLEASE AND THANK YOU!

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#20 negrilcowboy
December 12 2013, 10:26AM
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timing is odd, right on the heels of iggypoloooza

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#21 de Animoe
December 12 2013, 10:32AM
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And so begins the Era of Truculence. Shudder.

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#22 Byron Bader
December 12 2013, 11:43AM
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At least he professed some love for Johnny G. That's one positive.

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#23 seve927
December 12 2013, 10:32AM
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I have not been this frightened in quite some time.

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#24 Kevin R
December 12 2013, 10:48AM
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WTF!!!!!! I cant believe this, I cant believe it was this quick. WTF went down here???? Welllll things are going to be interesting. I must say, I am very disappointed. Something changed the philosophy here, was it because the Cap is going so high & Edwards is asking Burke if we spend $75mill on player salaries, why cant we contend? Obviously he has no appetite to endure what is happening up North.

I am so disappointed, I liked how we were drafting.

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#25 ned
December 12 2013, 11:14AM
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Dear Mr. Burke,

Please ease up on the cough syrup and get a comb.

xo,

Your Mom

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#26 Primo
December 12 2013, 11:31AM
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Quote of the year by Burkie.."I'm not here to kiss baby's I'm here to win hockey games"...gotta love it!

I have always said with Burke here this is not an Oiler 8 year rebuild model without accountability...you win now or your gonzo!!

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#27 Scary Gary
December 12 2013, 11:11AM
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Burke "I want more hostility out there", "black and blue hockey", good grief. This is baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaad.

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#28 WildBill_1485
December 12 2013, 11:51AM
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This is the best day in Calgary since Lanny Mac and that beautiful moustache of his brought the cup home. This should have happened the day he drafted Janko off the board, and should have happened 10 times over after the ROR fiasco. How people are upset over this boggles my mind, the only thing Feaster had figured out was what he was having for supper and desserts on a nightly basis. Feaster inherited the team that stole the cup from us in '04, and I always felt it was the biggest slap in the face we brought him in to run things here. CHEER UP BUDS!!! Its a great day to be a Flames fan. Looks better than Lanny Mac in a muscle shirt!

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#29 Parallex
December 12 2013, 11:53AM
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Vomit.

This is Burke removing any alternate opinions in the F.O.

Seriously, he's going to fire two guys two weeks before Christmas for drafts that have produced a top ten system (and a 2013 draft that he himself called the best in the NHL) and trades where he had little to no leverage?

Sad day in Flamesland. We're now ruled by folk who overvalue the wrong things and undervalue the right things.

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#30 Discosis
December 12 2013, 12:14PM
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Amazing how bad the Calgary media is. How does that press conference go by without anybody asking about the Ryan O'Reilly fiasco and how much that contributed to the decision. Burke was giving pretty straight forward answers...

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#31 Spaceman Spiff
December 12 2013, 01:55PM
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Listen, from this Oiler-fan’s perspective … this is a bit of a scary move. We can all make fun of Burke and his bombastic, truculent style, but the guy’s won in this league and I think he knows how to build a team.

He made Vancouver a contender and he won a Cup in Anaheim. The Leafs, although up-and-down a bit this year, turned a corner last year and it was largely with players he drafted or acquired. He drafted (and later traded for) Chris Pronger and pulled a bunch of complex strings to get the Sedin twins together. His career as a GM makes many others pale in comparison nowadays (which is probably a bit sad, but that’s not his fault). He’s not Cliff Fletcher, obviously, but he’s been pretty damn good at the job for a long time.

We all knew this was coming, of course – although who knew it would take this long? Feaster couldn’t bring himself to even utter the word “rebuild” until sometime last year and that’s obviously set the franchise back at least two years. The O’Reilly almost-signing was an almost-disaster of epic proportion. In the first round of the draft, he took a high school kid from a hockey country where high school hockey has ZERO upside (Canada). He dithered on Iginla for too long and got little in return. He got nothing for Kiprusoff, who probably could have helped two or three playoff teams last year.

And all of the above in the last 12 months!

And, no doubt, it will certainly be entertaining as Burkie squabbles with the Calgary media.

But, from up here, you’ll hear no crowing from me. A spinoff of Burke’s Calgary takeover is that it further turns up the heat on Oilers management which hasn’t accomplished anything close to what Burke’s done in this league.

As far as I’m concerned, MacT and the Oilers are now REALLY on the clock. I’m just hoping Burke doesn’t pick it up and hit them over the head with it.

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#32 Veggie Dog
December 12 2013, 10:56AM
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This seems nutty! I think our drafting has been pretty great, and may have unearthed some gems. We are in the middle of the rebuild, and the two main architects get canned??

Sigh.

Great timing from Burke. Merry christmas Feaster.

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#33 Nick24
December 12 2013, 11:04AM
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I thought Feaster was doing pretty well. I mean we've had some pretty darn good drafting over the last three years and since the Cammy deal I think that all of the trades have been pretty good.

I just hope that the rebuild doesn't get thrown out the window...

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#34 BurningSensation
December 12 2013, 11:56AM
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Ok, now that the shock has passed (I was sort kinda thinking Feaster and Burke would get along and that Feaster and Weisbrod would get a chance to see this thing work - even though all the evidence of the past was that Burke typically cleans house and rebuilds things his way), here are some thoughts;

- Expect trades. Burke is something of a wunderkind at getting building blocks from other teams in highway robbery deals. It's his biggest redeeming virtue (Pronger, Kessel, the Sedins, Phaneuf, JVR, etc., etc.).

- He likes Americans and isn't so hot on Russians (not much different than Feaster really).

-- You can expect us to swing at every Milan Lucic prototype at the draft. Big kids who can skate and shoot a little. That said, he has an eye for talent, and when push comes to shove, he takes skill guys over busts (he identified that the Sedins were the best players in their draft year, rather than Brendl or Stefan, who were more highly rated, and over Tim Connolly who once upon a time was an American born skill pivot considered to have promise as a #1 center).

- Expect horrific roster construction for the 4th line. More Brian McGratten's fewer NHL hockey players.

- He is going to 'accelerate' the rebuild at every opportunity. Waiting for a group of kids to develop isn't his style. He'll bring in vets, etc. to keep the team as competitive as possible while hee gradually puts together a new core of players.

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#35 jeremywilhelm
December 12 2013, 12:44PM
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the truth wrote:

Kris Russell could of been had for nothing. He was on waivers days before trade. Typical Feaster.

Feaster didn't want to go to arbitration with him. He let the Blues sign and trade.

Not the greatest move but slightly understandable.

Top four Dman for what? A 5th?

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#36 redricardo
December 12 2013, 01:22PM
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So to summarize Burke's explanation of why Feaster is gone:

The hard part of rebuilding is trying to manage assets, but Feaster did a good job of that, and managing the cap.

Drafts are important, and you need to hit a homerun. Also, Feaster did that this year.

The team is playing good, and he's proud of them, but disappointed in the ability to hold leads the last month, but this had nothing to do with it.

All that being said, Burke knows how to win, and you have to be big and mean, and even though Feaster did all the things Burke said were important... You know... #Gritchart.

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#37 Stockley
December 12 2013, 10:50AM
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Justin Azevedo wrote:

you guys wanted brian burke? you got him.

as bad as feaster was, you're going to see why i preferred him to burke.

I sure as hell didn't want Burke. That team in Anaheim was more or less gift-wrapped for him when he took over for Bryan Murray and we've seen what a mess the Leafs are (other than two great goalies they're putrid).

I'm one of the 12 people who thought Feaster did a decent job.

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#38 This guy
December 12 2013, 10:58AM
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Justin Azevedo wrote:

you guys wanted brian burke? you got him.

as bad as feaster was, you're going to see why i preferred him to burke.

You're childish.

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#39 mattyc
December 12 2013, 10:58AM
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This probably also means Hartley is on the way out.

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#40 McRib
December 12 2013, 11:10AM
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@Stockley

No I think Feaster & Wiesbord (actually more miffed to see him go) did a solid job and if anything kept on improving in my books, as they seemed to be handling the rebuild nicely. Bringing in Hudler, Russell, Monahan, Gaudreau, Poirier, Knight, etc.

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#41 Lordmork
December 12 2013, 11:16AM
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In summary: Burke doesn't think the team is gritty enough, and he's impatient with the rebuild.

After last year, I was actually feeling like the team was headed in the right direction, even if it was going to be a long process.

Not anymore. I'm super frustrated, and I think we're going to end up like the Leafs.

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#42 MichaelD
December 12 2013, 11:47AM
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Kissing babies, painting barns. haha I don't mind it. No point in complaining, I'm exited to find out who he brings in.

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#43 WildBill_1485
December 12 2013, 11:56AM
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@Parallex

All you people complain about Burke's penchant for truculence, yet I guarantee you're all the first to hit their feet when McGrattan drops the mitts to defend our city and the kids. Hypocrites.

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#44 BurningSensation
December 12 2013, 12:04PM
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@Mac962

"What has happened to the Alberta Hockey teams, we have become jokes."

Well, you are half right. Feaster's firing is hardly an indication the Flames are a joke.

Edmonton though....yeesh

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#45 WildBill_1485
December 12 2013, 12:05PM
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@Mac962

Speak for own damn self Soiler fan. We're in the first year of our rebuild and still have a heartbeat in every game. Not like that roller coaster to the North. How many first overall draft picks do you guys need to even be competitive. Do not ever compare our rebuild to yours, you see first hand what a losing culture creates. As I said, even given our current standings, the boys still go out every night and compete for that Flaming C on their chest, not for the party afterwards like those kids up north.

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#46 Southern_Point
December 12 2013, 02:11PM
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@WildBill_1485

I didn't realize I was going to have my masculinity questioned, in light of that informative answer my question seems non-masculine and silly. How is it a man's game when women play it as well, and children. I'm pretty this notion that it's a 'man's game' and men should fight each other is more harmful then just not fighting each other.

Also I live Canada so of course 'I've laced up a pair.' You aren't going to war to kill people you are playing sport.

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#47 TRAV
December 12 2013, 02:37PM
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I was surprised. I liked Feaster and thought that he and Weisbrod had us on a good track. Liked our draft picks, college signing and AHL team Having said that if asked to evaluate him it would be like a C+. He's just made too many mistakes. (though I've defended him here often) I would speculate that Janko, JBo return, Iginla mess at trade deadline, Regehr trade, RoR offer sheet, Euro goalie mess, waiting too long to move talent- all factored into the decision.

I think that Feaster is a decent GM but not sure he is elite. Burke holds a great press conference but I don't know about him picking the next GM. Hopefully he gets the right guy.

While I am not thrilled about the move I also am not hitting the panic button. He did talk about the importance of skill and looking at his draft record and trades it is clear that he recognizes the need for skilled players. (I don't think he is in the same mold as Sutter)

I see this more as a lateral move with the hiring of the next GM as the trigger that either makes it a great move or a mistake!

Was thrilled to hear that Burke contacted BC college straight away and talked about what a great player he thought Johnny G was.

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#48 WildBill_1485
December 12 2013, 04:48PM
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First of all, I would like to apologize for the way I come across sometimes. I do not mean to question anyone's passion or love for our team, like someone said, that's why we are all here and everyone's point is just as valid as my own. I get fired up sometimes (because of the way my career was taken from me), like any kid in Canada I lived and breathed (playing) this game from the first time my parents put me in skates when I was 4.

To Parallex: I do not have to prove anything to you, I will stick behind the point of a user name for the intended purpose of it, anonymity. But for the record, I was 14 when I attended my first WHL main camp, and to give you an idea of my current age that was back when Edmonton had the Ice. The '4th rate senior quasi-beer league' I played in paid for my first degree, hence the reason fighting was frowned upon in the league. Having played 4 years of junior before that, where fighting was allowed, I can tell you first hand the difference between two such leagues. When guys lose the fear of being held accountable for their actions, everyone becomes the toughest guy on earth. Stickwork, trash talking, and dirty play goes way up. If you do not believe me, go watch the Sait Trojans play, then compare it to a Calgary Hitmen game. That is best way I can 'prove it to you'.

To Southern Point: I am sorry I came across as questioning your own personal masculinity. All I was saying there was that there is a reason why a hockey player breaks his leg and still tries to get to the bench, and a reason why a basketball player gets a leg cramp and needs to be carried off the court. To this day there has not been a female skater in the NHL, I guess I was only wrong in saying "hockey" instead of "the NHL" (and all the leagues that feed into it). I do not mean to take anything away from women's hockey, I have coached both genders and the team I currently coach was fortunate enough to play the Canadian Women's team this year, and those girls can play. They are just two different games however, and I don't think that is unfair to say.

"Also I live Canada so of course 'I've laced up a pair.' You aren't going to war to kill people you are playing sport."

Sorry I do not mean for this to sound condescending again, but right there is what I mean by "competitively". If you haven't played at a level where you are going to 'war' figuratively, then you don't have the same understanding of the game as I do. Not saying that 'that' is better or worse than you, it is just what I chose to do with my life. I never played football before, I don't go around saying the rules need to be changed because there are so many head injuries. People still pay money to see it.

To everyone else: Again, sorry. Do not mean to be 'that guy', I'll try and keep er calmer! That is just where I come from!

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#49 Stockley
December 12 2013, 10:37AM
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@backburner

So Burke will probably take over and eventually hire Dave Nonis who will eventually take over for him. Haven't we seen this before?

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#50 WildBill_1485
December 12 2013, 01:22PM
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@Southern_Point

Again, if you've never laced up a pair, you will never understand. Hockey is a man's game, its getting bigger and faster and obviously more dangerous, and the only safety valve that used to keep the rats like Cook and Marchand from running around like tough guys has been taken out (instigator). Please, if you are just a fan who enjoys the sport and have never played competitively, do not try and talk like you know what goes on in the heat of a battle.

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