Breaking: Flames Fire Feaster & Weisbrod

Ryan Pike
December 12 2013 10:18AM

 

 

The Flames official Twitter account has announced that Jay Feaster and John Weisbrod have been relieved of their duties.

A press conference with real, actual details is coming up at 11am.

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Ryan Pike is a Calgary native and FlamesNation's managing editor. He's covered the Flames and the NHL since 2010. His work can also be found at The Hockey Writers and The Wrestling Observer.
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#51 Veggie Dog
December 12 2013, 11:10AM
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Hey just said we need to be bigger, and more hostile (Hint: I think he means more truculence)

:(

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#52 ChinookArch
December 12 2013, 11:23AM
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mattyc wrote:

This probably also means Hartley is on the way out.

I actually think Hartley is the kind of coach Burke would like. Look no further than McGratton preference over hockey players.

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#53 TRAV
December 12 2013, 02:44PM
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@Veggie Dog

To be honest i think that this is a great move. Heard Ken Holland talking about developing players and his quote was, "The NHL is not the league for players to learn how to play the game. We believe in seasoning guys in the minors so that they can learn to play properly. It is a very rare guy who can come into the league and develop his skill/ confidence in the NHL. This is just not the way we do things in Detroit."

Sven is a player who is not playing with confidence. Stats support this. (2 goals/ limited minutes) He is too important to have flounder. He needs to go down and dominate, regain confidence and play a crap load of minutes. I actually think that this move shows that Burke values Sven too much to watch him take steps backward.

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#54 Leafer
December 12 2013, 10:43AM
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Just as a side note: Did none of you see this coming the moment Burke was brought on board?

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#55 Justin Azevedo
December 12 2013, 11:12AM
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haha brutal. man burke is terrible

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#56 Stockley
December 12 2013, 11:17AM
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McRib wrote:

No I think Feaster & Wiesbord (actually more miffed to see him go) did a solid job and if anything kept on improving in my books, as they seemed to be handling the rebuild nicely. Bringing in Hudler, Russell, Monahan, Gaudreau, Poirier, Knight, etc.

Other than drafting Jankowski (someone was going to take a shot on him, unfortunately it was the Flames who needed to make a safer selection) and the ROR mess Feaster did more than I expected. He inherited a team that would make a Greek tragedy look cheerful and turned it into something that has a lot of people in the fanbase excited going forward. There have been whispers of interference from Edwards and King and still I think Feaster leaves the organization in better shape than he inherited it. It sounds like Burke wants to go back to the days of clutch and grab hockey, toughness preferred over skill; the sort of boring hockey that got the Flames to game 7 in '04 but couldn't get them over the top against a team that had more SKILL.

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#57 Justin Azevedo
December 12 2013, 11:41AM
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imo, burke is saying that a big part of the reason feaster got fired was because of the iggy/jbo deals

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#58 WildBill_1485
December 12 2013, 12:26PM
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Colin.S wrote:

How does beating in another goons head defend our city and the kids???

He's not superman, he's paid to beat up other grown men.

If you've never laced up a pair at a competitive level you will never understand.

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#59 T&A4Flames
December 12 2013, 10:49AM
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Bets on when Phaneuf ends up a Flame again?

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#60 Justin Azevedo
December 12 2013, 11:02AM
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This guy wrote:

You're childish.

i'm also right. thanks for reading.

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#61 They're $hittie
December 12 2013, 11:04AM
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How do you get fired when you picked at 21 in the 2010 draft and got the best player in the whole draft while aquiring a second round pick?

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#62 McRib
December 12 2013, 11:25AM
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@The Voice In The Dark

No offence but at least the Burke-era Canucks were remotely capable of drafting talent.... Mike Gillies gets all the credit and all he did was resign Burke/Nonis drafted players (Sedins, Schneider, Edler, Hansen, Kesler, Bieksa, Burrows, Raymond, etc)....

No one has drafted more busts than Vancouver under Gillies (White, Schroeder, Jensen, Gaunce, Shinkaruk, Sauve, etc). Cody Hodgson a can't miss Top. 10 pick is the only player Gillies has drafted to play more than 40 games for the Canucks.... Then they traded him for another bust Kassian. Hahah.

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#63 BurningSensation
December 12 2013, 11:33AM
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Leafer wrote:

Just as a side note: Did none of you see this coming the moment Burke was brought on board?

Usually a new guy at the top takes a while to decide what he wants his mgt group to look like, and Feaster got a few full months of work under Burke to see how he would do.

In that regard this isn't a surprise. What makes it surprising is that Feaster and Burke really seemed to get along, and the team seemed to be heading in a single direction. Yeah, they are losing, but seriously, they suck, so they were never going to be a winning team this year. But they played theeir asses off and were ard working and entertaining even in defeat.

What is interesting to me is that it is both Feaster AND Weisbrod who are gone. That strikes me as a sign that Weisbrod's philosophies are different and irecconcialable.

Personally, this concerns me. I have really liked the direction that Feaster had Calgary headed in, and approved of how he has rebuilt the team (more or less - the Regher deal looks terrible in retrospect).

It's a brand new day.

Truculence!

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#64 jonahgo
December 12 2013, 12:12PM
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successful teams are big? is this a fact?

http://mirtle.blogspot.com/2013/01/2013-nhl-teams-by-weight-height-and-age.html

based on these data from the 2013 short season's opening rosters, chicago is 20th in weight and 29th in height... boston is similarly low (and that's including the outlier chara!). the biggest team is winnipeg...

this is gonna be rough folks... yikes.

correction: san jose is bigger than winnipeg, but the point stands; there is absolutely no correlation between team size and success.

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#65 Parallex
December 12 2013, 01:49PM
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@WildBill_1485

Blah blah blah... please continue to regal us with stories of how you know better then everyone else because you played in whatever 4th rate senior men's quasi-beer league (assuming you're not some 14 year old making crap up) you played in.

You know what... prove it. Prove it without resorting to articule of faith anacdotes or appeals to authority. Show me the evidence

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#66 McRib
December 12 2013, 02:47PM
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@Parallex

In all fairness to Brian Burke he did draft one of the most skilled big players in the league (Getzlaf)....

Also Corey Perry during his draft year was not considered a first rounder by most... But that paid off big time for Anaheim and Perry could be considered a "big" player as well at 6'3". The Sedins are also "big" players at 6'2".

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#67 McRib
December 12 2013, 02:56PM
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Colin.S wrote:

Also for those that didn't see it, apparently Ryan Howse is still a thing and is on Twitter and had this to say:

"Wow Calgary one year too late on that one if that was last year I'd still be playing #zing #lovehockeytoday #iwannacomeback" - Ryan Howse (@RHowse27)

Really? Dude was worse than Greg Nemisz, good riddance.

Interesting Ryan Howse managed to make a tweet from a bar stool.... Only one to blame for his lack of a career is himself. When you are a third rounder instead of a first rounder your draft year because of medicore skating and you never work on it.... Guess what you are never going to play Pro.

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#68 acg5151
December 12 2013, 10:42AM
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Not surprising. Brian Burke has always gone for the big, strong guys. Jay Feaster seems to have preferred to draft smaller, more skilled players. So there is clearly a difference in philosophy.

All in all, I think everyone expected that Jay Feaster wouldn't survive the entire rebuild. It appears he got his head chopped off a little sooner than expected.

Timing is a little strange, but not really. There really isn't all that much going on right now - with the Burke imposed Christmas trade freeze, now was as good a time as any during this season to institute the change.

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#69 McRib
December 12 2013, 10:43AM
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Not to freak everyone out, but Johnny Gaudreau was Feaster/Weisbrod's guy.... This is out of absolute left field would have at least given him until the end of the year. Must of got in a pissing match with Burke or more likely Murray Edwards.

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#70 McRib
December 12 2013, 10:48AM
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@acg5151

"Brian Burke has always gone for the big, strong guys."

Lets just hope we draft Ryan Getzlaf's more often than Tyler Biggs. Sometimes Brian Burke's drafting is very Darryl Sutter like big and no skilled, but at least he can also knock it out of the park with Sedin's, Morgan Rielly, Perry, etc.

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#71 kittensandcookies
December 12 2013, 10:54AM
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MOAR FACEPUNCHERS!

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#72 They're $hittie
December 12 2013, 11:06AM
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bye bye sven bustchi and his 35 points a year

bye bye geadreau who will not score in the nhl

bye bye backlund an actually usefule and almost elite 3rd line center.

bye bye camellerri

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#73 Byron Bader
December 12 2013, 11:20AM
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Proclivity. Nice. I had to check if that was a word. It is. Proper usage too. Excellent stuff.

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#74 negrilcowboy
December 12 2013, 12:22PM
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iggypalooza was the nail in the coffin, janko,ror and the eurotenders pissed burke to the edge. bring on the barn match, someone call vince mcmann

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#75 everton fc
December 12 2013, 12:32PM
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The moment Burke was hired, I felt Jay was done. The moment Jay was hired, I felt the Sutter was done. I'll leave it at that.

Never liked Feaster. The Regher trade was a joke. And I felt a better GM could have parlayed more for Iggy and JBo. The Reilly fiasco was, indeed, a fiasco. The Jankowski pick was not prudent.

This is good news for players like Ferland, wh can punch face and play hockey. He's Burke's kind of player. So is Poirier. I think these two will get a long look here.

Not so great for Sven, but maybe Backlund can become what he really always has been - a third line, two-way centre. Me thinks he'll get his chance.

I also wonder what this means for Troy G. Ward. He's a Yank. I have always liked him. But Burke does like the seasoned coaches, which Hartley is. And Hartley likes to play with an edge. Sven has no edge. Nor does Backlund, but I still think Backlund may get more of a look.

Certainly Colborne has found a home back home, in Calgary! Wonder what it means for Ramo and Berra. I do think Burke will move Cammy, though didn't he want him in Toronto? I can see Burke looking at guys like Wayne Simmonds... And I do like the philosophy of the 3rd and 4th lines Burke wants to pursue. Still, I can't stand the guy. And I felt the same way about Burke here, as I did when I read Keenan was coming. Never liked Keenan, either. But Keenan did well here, I think. If we weren't so banged up vs. the Hawks that year, who knows how we would have done.

In many ways, it's like going backwards in time. Wierd, but I'm not really surprised. Shanny might be a good GM. Jason Botteril would be better.

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#76 the truth
December 12 2013, 12:34PM
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WildBill_1485 wrote:

Haha I wish. Pretty sure he has better things to do than troll the message boards. I am a big supporter however, if you couldnt tell. I posted on here the day we NEEDLESSLY traded JBo for magic beans and a prayer wondering why Burkes name was never mentioned in Calgary, then my wish came true, and I knew Fatster would be on his way out. The only move I give credit to Mr. Feaster for is the Kris Russell move, other than that, his trade record is suspect at best.

Kris Russell could of been had for nothing. He was on waivers days before trade. Typical Feaster.

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#77 WildBill_1485
December 12 2013, 01:13PM
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@Colin.S

Yes sir, concussions forced me into an early retirement however because I played in a league that did not allow the players to police themselves, therefore guys run around without fear of any consequences and run guys from behind regularly (the one that ended my career broke my orbital bone and forced me to stay in my dark basement for months, and three years later I have not fully recovered). The guy who did it got a one game suspension, and I have not been able to play since. Bet he would have thought twice before running me from behind if Big Mac was on our bench and he wasnt handcuffed by instigator rules.

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#78 Lober
December 12 2013, 02:29PM
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Well Sven got sent to the AHL so you could say I'm pretty pissed

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#79 Dave
December 12 2013, 02:56PM
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I'm a big fan of the Berra/Ramo situation. It's a lot better then it could have been considering Kippers retirement. Give Ramo some time and I'm sure he'll be at least an average NHL goalie. And many teams have won the cup with average goaltending.

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#80 Jeff Lebowski
December 12 2013, 03:38PM
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I'm totally disappointed by this move. This is the worst decision that could've been made IMO.

Not winning enough during a rebuilding year?! Look at the drafting record of the fired regime. Look at the AHL Heat .

Fire the coach if the team isn't 'performing'.

I was so proud of the direction Calgary was headed.

This just reeks of desperation, zero planning and forgoing process in favour of (financial) results

COMPARE FLAMES REBUILD TO OILERS. How about that as a standard for how Calgary had been doing in terms of results.

F$&k you Burke. I'm done.

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#81 Southern_Point
December 12 2013, 10:27AM
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@aloudoun

Burke doesn't do trades before Christmas

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#82 Monaertchi Gaudnett
December 12 2013, 10:28AM
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Oh crap. Let the Burkinating begin.

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#83 NHL93
December 12 2013, 10:37AM
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I'm kind of frightened right now.

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#84 schevvy
December 12 2013, 10:41AM
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Ok. This is very odd timing for this kind of move. Not feeling too good about Sven's future here. Very strange day.

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#85 Stockley
December 12 2013, 10:56AM
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kittensandcookies wrote:

MOAR FACEPUNCHERS!

Time to trade some of our smaller guys and bring in Colton Orr and Zenon Konopka.

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#86 Ed Wailin'
December 12 2013, 11:07AM
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nice hair Burke! 0_o

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#87 Avalain
December 12 2013, 11:09AM
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Justin Azevedo wrote:

i'm also right. thanks for reading.

I agree on all counts, except the part where you said we wanted Burke.

So to summarize, you're childish and also right that we're going to see why Feaster is preferable to Burke.

Oh well.

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#88 mk
December 12 2013, 11:10AM
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Ugh - Burke has already started talking about how "successful teams are big". BAD BAD BAD...

TRUCULENT! He said it! And also "there you go, there's the word, I know you're waiting for it."

This is prime content and scary as a fan.

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#89 thymebalm
December 12 2013, 11:11AM
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There it was. The heartbreaker. #gritchart #truculence #hostility

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#90 Colin.S
December 12 2013, 11:58AM
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The good news is they fired Feaster, the bad news is the guy that is going to hire his "replacement" isn't someone I want in charge either.

I already see potential candidates being thrown around on Twitter. But honestly with Burke in the position he's in and it's well known he's making the decisions, what high profile GM are we going to lure from another team, when Burke is already acting as GM?

Expect some retread GM from his time in some other org and whole lot of losing in our future.

ALSO!! Predictions time. Hartley and his staff are fired at the end of the year, this is mostly because the Flames probably don't want to be paying out a ton for a fired coach and then the new guy when the season is a lost cause anyways, so we wait till the offseason for a new coach. Baertschi/Backlund/Gaudreau will not be with the team next year, probably by the end of this year. Wisebrod was the guy I primarily credit with drafting Gaudreau and without him around and Burke's GET BIG mentality, I don't see him around, I expect him to get packed with a first rounder of ours for BIG forward.

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#91 Mac962
December 12 2013, 12:00PM
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This sets up a Kevin Lowe - Brain Burke showdown - who can totally make their franchise a joke. My Oilers lead - but Burke is a neanderthal and the Flames and Oilers will be doormats for several years yet i am afraid. I crave a meaningful rivalry again.

You going to trade some of your talent there Burke for some under skilled Muscle ? Good luck with that.

What has happened to the Alberta Hockey teams, we have become jokes.

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#92 Primo
December 12 2013, 12:06PM
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I'm hearing Shanahan as the next GM.

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#93 Kevin R
December 12 2013, 12:13PM
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BurningSensation wrote:

Usually a new guy at the top takes a while to decide what he wants his mgt group to look like, and Feaster got a few full months of work under Burke to see how he would do.

In that regard this isn't a surprise. What makes it surprising is that Feaster and Burke really seemed to get along, and the team seemed to be heading in a single direction. Yeah, they are losing, but seriously, they suck, so they were never going to be a winning team this year. But they played theeir asses off and were ard working and entertaining even in defeat.

What is interesting to me is that it is both Feaster AND Weisbrod who are gone. That strikes me as a sign that Weisbrod's philosophies are different and irecconcialable.

Personally, this concerns me. I have really liked the direction that Feaster had Calgary headed in, and approved of how he has rebuilt the team (more or less - the Regher deal looks terrible in retrospect).

It's a brand new day.

Truculence!

I'm still trying to digest this. Thing is, Feaster has done some very good things but the the things he hasn't done well are career ending type of mistakes. I know most will say that the ROR thing never happened so get over it. Thing is, if it did, this team would have lost Monahan & set this organization back years. I know it is up for debate but I have not been happy with the trade returns for Regehr & JBO. Iggy was a different animal. Teams are desperate for a top pairing Dman, JBO was not a rental, I love Porrier(sp?) but the return was underwhelming for such an important piece. I knew Feaster's days were numbered but I thought his drafting & decent signings would have bought him 1-2 years to stock up before the team needed to change gears.

I think the Cap & the new TV deal has sped up the time table to changing gears. I also expect Edwards wants a long painful rebuild. Obviously wont be a popular direction around here but the man with the gold makes the rules. I think this move is 18 months too soon. But it was inevitable. I don't see this as a disaster but it sure is a head scratcher. I guess we know why Colborne has been getting top 6 minutes, maybe Hartley had some heads up on this.

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#94 jeremywilhelm
December 12 2013, 12:24PM
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Brian Burke is so F-ing stupid.

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#95 prendrefeu
December 12 2013, 12:30PM
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Seriously though: if we lose Gaudreau through this mess that's the end. Some other team will pick him up, comparisons to the next Fleury (or even Crosby) will continually be front page articles across the arc of his career, and we'll be holding onto regret as a bitter fanbase clinging onto tattered jerseys of the past.

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#96 Ed Wailin'
December 12 2013, 12:48PM
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I wonder if that snowy day in rural Quebec in December 2011 when Weisbrod was admittedly "having a bad day" could have known that he was sealing both his and Feaster's fate almost 2 years later to the day....

http://ca.sports.yahoo.com/blogs/jrhockey-buzzing-the-net/2012-nhl-draft-calgary-flames-mark-jankowski-goes-052648549.html

Burkie pretty much threw him under the bus with his comments about "I don't know much about weisbrod"... thinking back on it all... I think I'm more than ok with it. The scouting tactics seemed "suspect" even at the best of times, and has always been our Achilles heel.

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#97 Parallex
December 12 2013, 02:05PM
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@Spaceman Spiff

"but the guy’s won in this league and I think he knows how to build a team."

He's also lost in this league and built bad teams.

Yes, he was GM of a team that won a cup (with a team largely built by someone else) you know who else has done that... Feaster. Burke's successes are all in the not so recent past and his failures a whole lot fresher in the memory.

Say what you will about Feaster but I always got the impression from him that he knew what he didn't know, Burke more gives the impression that he thinks he knows everything.

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#98 Justin Azevedo
December 12 2013, 02:16PM
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@WildBill_1485

snide appeals to authority don't go over very well here.

let's all calm it down a little, folks.

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#99 Graham
December 12 2013, 02:55PM
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Edward's made it clear last year that he expected the team to be competitive, and to be in a hunt for a playoff spot. Feaster simply failed to deliver, and has paid the price. Failed return on key trades, suspect drafting, the potential ROR disaster, lack of intellectual honesty, failed use of cap space, key prospects taking backward steps to name a few. Bravo Burke, you made the moves that needed to be made.

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#100 McRib
December 12 2013, 03:16PM
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Now that I have digested the shock from this morning, I actually don't mind this move. You look at Jay Bouwmeester who is currently 7th in defense scoring (+13)... You gotta think we could have gotten more in a trade for him than we did....

That's the thing with Feaster he made some likeable moves, but also could have done better in almost every situation. I am an advocate of getting Mark Jankowski & Sieloff, but would be the first to admit I would have much rathered Girgensons, Teravainen, Hertl, Laughton, Maatta, etc.

I think the biggest thing for me is Feaster was growing on me because of some prospects success (Monahan, Poirier, Johnny Hockey, etc) and the AHL teams record, but we also could have done better and was more shocked at the timing of the firing if anything.

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