Breaking: Flames Fire Feaster & Weisbrod

Ryan Pike
December 12 2013 10:18AM

 

 

The Flames official Twitter account has announced that Jay Feaster and John Weisbrod have been relieved of their duties.

A press conference with real, actual details is coming up at 11am.

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Ryan Pike is a Calgary native and FlamesNation's managing editor. He's covered the Flames and the NHL since 2010. His work can also be found at The Hockey Writers and The Wrestling Observer.
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#101 Denscafon
December 12 2013, 10:33AM
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I think most of us knew this day was going to come sometime soon when Burke was hired but ya, why now? Either what chillgoose said they couldn't agree on a trade and/or what to do with sven as burke clearly said he doesn't like him all that much. sigh.... get ready for more "grit/size"

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#102 Trevy
December 12 2013, 11:01AM
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Nieuwendyk will be the next GM!

Merry Christmas Feaster! -Flames

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#103 Ed Wailin'
December 12 2013, 11:04AM
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Feaster never had the "cut of jib" that Murray Edwards prefers....

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#104 mk
December 12 2013, 11:05AM
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"I did not come here to be the GM, I will not be the GM..." - Burke.

THANK GOODNESS!

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#105 Avalain
December 12 2013, 11:09AM
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Justin Azevedo wrote:

i'm also right. thanks for reading.

I agree on all counts, except the part where you said we wanted Burke.

So to summarize, you're childish and also right that we're going to see why Feaster is preferable to Burke.

Oh well.

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#106 Veggie Dog
December 12 2013, 11:11AM
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He just said it. Eff

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#107 mk
December 12 2013, 11:27AM
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"Anyone can paint a barn..."

WHAT?!? Where does he come up with this stuff? :)

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#108 Eddie Shore
December 12 2013, 11:34AM
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Likes the coaches and work ethic of the team but is frustrated with the team constantly giving up leads.. Huh?

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#109 WildBill_1485
December 12 2013, 12:21PM
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@Eddie Shore

I would take being competitive all season and playing meaningful games in Feb/March and coming up just short over beginning the debate on who we are going to select first over all in December every year any day (sound familiar Oilers fans?). Sucks we have been a fringe team for so long, but at least its entertaining and our ownership group chooses not to subject the fan base to being the laughing stock of the league year after year in hopes that "next year is our year when all our magic beans sprout".

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#110 Colin.S
December 12 2013, 12:22PM
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WildBill_1485 wrote:

All you people complain about Burke's penchant for truculence, yet I guarantee you're all the first to hit their feet when McGrattan drops the mitts to defend our city and the kids. Hypocrites.

How does beating in another goons head defend our city and the kids???

He's not superman, he's paid to beat up other grown men.

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#111 prendrefeu
December 12 2013, 12:25PM
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Primo wrote:

I'm hearing Shanahan as the next GM.

What? The guy who is trying to have less fights, less brutal hits, less injuries, and encourage better sportsmanship and skills among NHL players would be hired by Burke/King?

Who is telling you this? The internetz? 4chan?

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#112 Southern_Point
December 12 2013, 01:17PM
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@WildBill_1485

I'm pretty sure Savard had his career ended after a dirty hit. Why did that happen if the NHL allows fighting?

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#113 Eddie Shore
December 12 2013, 01:19PM
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everton fc wrote:

Roy's presence in the organization, and his "fire", have the Avs 11 games over .500. My opinion, of course.

I think starting the year with your goalies having like .950 save percentages helps.

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#114 Veggie Dog
December 12 2013, 02:26PM
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@WildBill_1485

This is a fan website, if it is not to your liking, perhaps your league buddies are a better source of conversation. I am not sure why someone's opinion is less valid because they are a primarily a fan. I will wager that most on this site (by virtue of growing up in Canada) have at least played/ Perhaps not "competitively", whatever that means, but nonetheless they are familiar with the game.

Also, guys like Yzerman (who I suspect may know a thing or two about hockey) are against fighting. So it is not like this opinion is completely beyond the realm of discussion. Frankly, I don't care one way or the other. I don't especially enjoy fights, nor is it my business is Brian McGrattan wants to pummel his head to an early death or degenerative brain disease.

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#115 redricardo
December 12 2013, 03:01PM
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Damien Cox is arguing that Burke should be the GM of the Flames.

Cox thinking it's a good idea, is the best counter argument on why Burke should NOT be the GM

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#116 everton fc
December 12 2013, 04:40PM
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TRAV wrote:

To be honest i think that this is a great move. Heard Ken Holland talking about developing players and his quote was, "The NHL is not the league for players to learn how to play the game. We believe in seasoning guys in the minors so that they can learn to play properly. It is a very rare guy who can come into the league and develop his skill/ confidence in the NHL. This is just not the way we do things in Detroit."

Sven is a player who is not playing with confidence. Stats support this. (2 goals/ limited minutes) He is too important to have flounder. He needs to go down and dominate, regain confidence and play a crap load of minutes. I actually think that this move shows that Burke values Sven too much to watch him take steps backward.

The best thinkg for Sven is Troy G. Ward. Look what he's done for B. Jones.

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#117 Baceda
December 12 2013, 04:48PM
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WildBill_1485 wrote:

All you people complain about Burke's penchant for truculence, yet I guarantee you're all the first to hit their feet when McGrattan drops the mitts to defend our city and the kids. Hypocrites.

Oh you guarantee it do you? Well then it must be true. Sure I like seeing a guy fight in the right circumstance, but I'd prefer he also be a guy who can play more than 5 minutes a night.

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#118 TRAV
December 12 2013, 05:19PM
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I agree with those who have said that being big isn't the answer. Being skilled and small also not the recipe. Need to have a combo of size/speed and skill. Darren Haynes wrote on twitter

"When Chicago beat the Bruins to win 2013 Stanley Cup, both teams combined had 5 players shorter than 6-foot-0. Tue vs Boston, #Flames had 6."

To be honest the best analogy is that old Nintendo Ice hockey video game where you could pick the super fast skinny guys or the huge fat slow guys. Usually the balanced team won. (great tunes to boot) Apologies to those born post Nintendo Ice Hockey. A true classic!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5kXVFCfBWoQ

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#119 EugeneV
December 12 2013, 05:22PM
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Lober wrote:

Well Sven got sent to the AHL so you could say I'm pretty pissed

He should be in the AHL. Should have been all season. And last season as well. Then he would have been ready for 2014/15.

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#120 Leafer
December 12 2013, 10:38AM
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BUH BUH BUH BURKE IT UP GUYS! http://i.imgur.com/bgqF4.gif

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#121 mk
December 12 2013, 10:56AM
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T&A4Flames wrote:

Bets on when Phaneuf ends up a Flame again?

I actually wouldn't be opposed to that. He is a legitimate top-4 (arguably top pairing) defenseman. If he could be extended on a reasonable contract (~$4-5M/year: I can dream), it would be great. If he's at a similar cap hit, it would be meh.

It won't happen though.

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#122 The Voice In The Dark
December 12 2013, 11:11AM
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Ouch, as others have said, Feaster may have been bad, but if Burke is the new GM, things won't be so great in CGY.

Burke has been good at turning awful teams into decent ones, as he did in Vancouver and Toronto; however, he hasn't shown any ability to take the team to the next level and turn them from 'decent' into contender, despite what he tells you about the team being elite.

The Burke-era Canucks desperately needed an upgrade in net, a winger for the Sedins, and a legit 1st line center (no offense to Morrison), but he just stood pat the whole time and made moves for 4th-line grinders and bottom pairing defencemen. Similar story in Toronto - got the team out of the gutter, but couldn't get them over the top.

He turned a good team into a contender in Anaheim, but that was a lot of luck. I think the key with Burke is firing him at the right time, i.e. after he's pulled the team out of the sewer, but before 'Team Burke' stagnates. And keep Nonis far, far away from him. He'll just continue the 'Team Burke' plan.

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#123 Flame On
December 12 2013, 11:11AM
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More truculence !!! Here we come.

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#124 Justin Azevedo
December 12 2013, 11:13AM
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@Avalain

there's a lot of people here who like the hire. http://flamesnation.ca/2013/9/9/on-the-burke-hiring/page/1#comments

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#125 jeremywilhelm
December 12 2013, 11:16AM
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Justin Azevedo wrote:

there's a lot of people here who like the hire. http://flamesnation.ca/2013/9/9/on-the-burke-hiring/page/1#comments

Not meeeeeee!

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#126 VK63
December 12 2013, 11:19AM
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Although on one hand those of us with an interest in the machinations of the Flames shall now be regularly informed. I don't see any change of significance being achieved UNTIL Ken King is unceremoniously sent packing.

The structure of the rot remains identical to the last many manifestations of the flames hierarchy albeit with a different figurehead.

IMHO.

But hey.

theres only one way to go…. and thats up.. no matter who is in charge.

Let the bombastic and arrogant truculent speak begin.

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#127 Scary Gary
December 12 2013, 11:22AM
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Maybe the cold-snap made Burke snap.

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#128 Stockley
December 12 2013, 11:26AM
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ChinookArch wrote:

I actually think Hartley is the kind of coach Burke would like. Look no further than McGratton preference over hockey players.

That's my thought as well. Face punchers and grit players seem to be allowed to make mistakes. If a skill guy makes a mistake he either spends a game watching or gets demoted to the 4th line.

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#129 Flame Off
December 12 2013, 11:27AM
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Hanging in limbo til after the Olympics. Great. Thanks Man.

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#130 kittensandcookies
December 12 2013, 11:28AM
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SmellOfVictory wrote:

I'm calling it: this is the moment the rebuild goes off the rails.

Good.

I hope this team goes totally off the rails. I hope every trade and signing Burke makes the team worse.

I hope people stop going to games - in droves.

Ownership needs a kick in the ass.

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#131 Ed Wailin'
December 12 2013, 11:35AM
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I suppose it boils down to "do you want a boss thats your buddy, or do you want a boss that strikes fear in the heart of your employees"... regardless of whether you agree with burkes direction, I think that no one can deny that he will be more well respected/feared by the players than feaster was

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#132 New rebuild already ?
December 12 2013, 11:35AM
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Burkie was unhappy with the return on the Iggy trade and the way Feaster let Kipper walk away for nothing. Berra... Meh, an assured lotto pick position.

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#133 ianberg1
December 12 2013, 11:38AM
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I'm sure I'm just one of many Flames fans who absolutely saw this coming the day Brian Burke was hired. When I posted something on Flames Nation to the effect that Feaster may not last the 2013-14 season, I don't recall seeing any trashes on that post.

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#134 mattyc
December 12 2013, 11:39AM
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@Stockley

I'm not sure that's exactly what he's saying. I think Burke is saying he wants his bottom six to be more like LA or Boston (big guys like Nolan or whatever). Backlund and Baertschi aren't bottom six guys.

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#135 WildBill_1485
December 12 2013, 12:12PM
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@FlamesRule

Haha I wish. Pretty sure he has better things to do than troll the message boards. I am a big supporter however, if you couldnt tell. I posted on here the day we NEEDLESSLY traded JBo for magic beans and a prayer wondering why Burkes name was never mentioned in Calgary, then my wish came true, and I knew Fatster would be on his way out. The only move I give credit to Mr. Feaster for is the Kris Russell move, other than that, his trade record is suspect at best.

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#136 prendrefeu
December 12 2013, 12:20PM
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VK63 wrote:

Although on one hand those of us with an interest in the machinations of the Flames shall now be regularly informed. I don't see any change of significance being achieved UNTIL Ken King is unceremoniously sent packing.

The structure of the rot remains identical to the last many manifestations of the flames hierarchy albeit with a different figurehead.

IMHO.

But hey.

theres only one way to go…. and thats up.. no matter who is in charge.

Let the bombastic and arrogant truculent speak begin.

Has there been an online petition (such as change.org) set up to demand the firing of Ken King yet?

Why don't we, the fans, start one? Social media has a *lot* of power. I'm not sure if any of you have been paying attention to the debacle between Specialized Bicycle Components (a US company) and a shop owner in Cochrane, but a few initial stories lead to some powerful debates on some surprisingly influential forums (such as Weight Weenies), and within a few days the tides were overwhelmingly shifted against Specialized - and the impact against Specialized may be more permanent than they first calculated.

Seriously, consider it.

Whoever sets it up needs to have the time to update it and keep it active every once in a while, and at least some social-media influence to get it going.

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#137 the-wolf
December 12 2013, 12:27PM
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That Feaster didn't get the season is bizarre, the timing seems very strange.

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#138 the forgotten man
December 12 2013, 12:34PM
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How many GMs/coaches has King gone through now? Dude has to be the luckiest Hockey Exec SOB alive...besides Kevin Lowe.

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#139 Parallex
December 12 2013, 12:43PM
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Kevin R wrote:

Correction: sorry I meant to say Edwards does "NOT" want a long slow rebuild.

Truth be told I don't want a long slow rebuild either... I DO want the Flames to have a better then good shot at one of McDavid, Eichel, Barzal (THose are franchise type guys) next year but beyond that I want to Flames to use their cheque book and start pushing for a winner.

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#140 RKD
December 12 2013, 12:46PM
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I'm not surprised, ever since Brian Burke was hired a lot people including myself were just waiting for the other shoe to drop. Despite Brian's denial at the time, no GM's job is safe. A lot of things probably went into the decision like the returns Feaster got for Iggy, Jay-Bo and Reg. I bet there was a lot of fear of what Feaster would get in return for a guy like Cammy.

Jay: John and I really like this player. Brian: I don't like him.

That was a very telling moment, he has a very different view of evaluating player talent. He inherited the team in Anaheim from Burke and pretty much built the Leafs. However, I want Calgary to be a Chicago or a Boston powerhouse team. I don't want to rebuild like the Leafs and give up 50 shots a night. I have a feeling Hartley will be next.

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#141 everton fc
December 12 2013, 12:49PM
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Parallex wrote:

Truth be told I don't want a long slow rebuild either... I DO want the Flames to have a better then good shot at one of McDavid, Eichel, Barzal (THose are franchise type guys) next year but beyond that I want to Flames to use their cheque book and start pushing for a winner.

As fans, we should want to win now. Every evening. This can be done, and we can still draft wisely. I think this is what Burke's getting at - playing for the first pick doesn't always work. Look at how quick Sakic and Roy turned the Avs around. Guy like Cody McLeod and Patrick Bordeleau (who's got 4 goals and gave it to McGrattan pretty bad when they fought)... This is the direction Burke wants to go. Generally speaking.

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#142 KingQuong
December 12 2013, 01:46PM
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Never have I ever been so frustrated, why wisebrod? I hope we keep Hartley and don't attempt a phill kessel like trade. Friggggggg!!! I hope we just keep on doing what we have been doing and don't mess this rebuild up I don't want the flames to end up like Toronto.

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#143 T&A4Flames
December 12 2013, 01:52PM
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Colin.S wrote:

The good news is they fired Feaster, the bad news is the guy that is going to hire his "replacement" isn't someone I want in charge either.

I already see potential candidates being thrown around on Twitter. But honestly with Burke in the position he's in and it's well known he's making the decisions, what high profile GM are we going to lure from another team, when Burke is already acting as GM?

Expect some retread GM from his time in some other org and whole lot of losing in our future.

ALSO!! Predictions time. Hartley and his staff are fired at the end of the year, this is mostly because the Flames probably don't want to be paying out a ton for a fired coach and then the new guy when the season is a lost cause anyways, so we wait till the offseason for a new coach. Baertschi/Backlund/Gaudreau will not be with the team next year, probably by the end of this year. Wisebrod was the guy I primarily credit with drafting Gaudreau and without him around and Burke's GET BIG mentality, I don't see him around, I expect him to get packed with a first rounder of ours for BIG forward.

Haven't read through all the comments. But in case it hasn't been said, Weisbrod wasn't around when Gaudreau was drafted. He was still in BOS. That was all Feaster and his scouts.

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#144 kittensandcookies
December 12 2013, 02:30PM
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What is the point of this move?

Will getting a new GM make the team better?

Yup, Feaster made some bad moves. This doesn't mean the next GM will be any better.

When the team sucks next year, will that new GM also get fired? Or maybe the team will hire a "Proconsul of the adjunct President" to make Burke a lame duck and then fire Burke in a year and a half?

At best, this team moves sideways, regardless of management changes. This is not necessarily a bad thing at this point in time.

This team has gaping holes at every position. This will only be resolved via good drafting. This means it will take time, since, you know, drafted players take time to develop.

Just remember kiddies, the first year Sidney Crosby played for the Penguins and amassed 102 points, the team finished second last in the league.

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#145 SeanCharles
December 12 2013, 03:07PM
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From day 1 I have been a Feaster supporter. He drafted a lot of good prospects for us and did a lot of positive things for this organization without much to work with.

That being said I can live with this move as long as players like Gaudreau, Sven and Brodie don't get traded..

These 3 are smaller than our other top young players and I feel they are integral to our rebuild.

I just hope Burke does too.

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#146 Kent Wilson
December 12 2013, 03:26PM
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redricardo wrote:

Damien Cox is arguing that Burke should be the GM of the Flames.

Cox thinking it's a good idea, is the best counter argument on why Burke should NOT be the GM

Bears repeating.

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#147 Jeff In Lethbridge
December 12 2013, 07:56PM
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OILERS SUCK!!!!!!!!

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#148 redricardo
December 12 2013, 10:17PM
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@Andy7189

My favourite part of the press conference, as I was waiting for the explanation, was how Burke kept giving legitimate reasons to fire someone, but then kept backing off that, and had it boil down to "I know how to win". Very KLowe-esque.

"We need someone who can nail the draft, we need a homerun... And Jay did that this year.

The hardestpart of a rebuild in TO was getting out from under the contracts... And Jay has left us in good shape there.

But I know how to win, so trust me... This change had to be made"

(These are actual (close) quotes from the press conference, not something I'm making up for humorous effect)

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#149 wot96
December 12 2013, 10:56AM
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Has to have been a philosophical disagreement that came to a head with Feaster refusing to resign.

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#150 Ed Wailin'
December 12 2013, 11:11AM
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"we were all waiting for the word".... :/

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