Breaking: Flames Fire Feaster & Weisbrod

Ryan Pike
December 12 2013 10:18AM

 

 

The Flames official Twitter account has announced that Jay Feaster and John Weisbrod have been relieved of their duties.

A press conference with real, actual details is coming up at 11am.

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Now in his third full season covering the Calgary Flames and the NHL, Ryan Pike is a Calgary native and FlamesNation's managing editor. He's trying to keep his head up, his stick on the ice and is giving it 110% every shift. You can also find his work at The Hockey Writers, the Wrestling Observer and Tough Talk MMA.
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#151 Mo Playoffs Mo Problems
December 12 2013, 11:12AM
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And there it is! Truculent. We were all waiting for it...

Also Cammalleri is so traded at the deadline...

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#152 mattyc
December 12 2013, 11:13AM
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eff brian, learn how to dress yourself man. Put your tie on properly.

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#153 ned
December 12 2013, 11:14AM
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Dear Mr. Burke,

Please ease up on the cough syrup and get a comb.

xo,

Your Mom

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#154 jeremywilhelm
December 12 2013, 11:18AM
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#GritChart has just been taken to a new level.

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#155 ChinookArch
December 12 2013, 11:34AM
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mk wrote:

"I did not come here to be the GM, I will not be the GM..." - Burke.

THANK GOODNESS!

He means his title will not be GM, but make no mistake Burke is no team player. He makes the decisions.

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#156 Parallex
December 12 2013, 12:04PM
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WildBill_1485 wrote:

All you people complain about Burke's penchant for truculence, yet I guarantee you're all the first to hit their feet when McGrattan drops the mitts to defend our city and the kids. Hypocrites.

Heh, you're new here aren't you. If you weren't and you bothered to read a random 10% sampling of everything I've written you'd know that not to be true.

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#157 Eddie Shore
December 12 2013, 12:14PM
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WildBill_1485 wrote:

Speak for own damn self Soiler fan. We're in the first year of our rebuild and still have a heartbeat in every game. Not like that roller coaster to the North. How many first overall draft picks do you guys need to even be competitive. Do not ever compare our rebuild to yours, you see first hand what a losing culture creates. As I said, even given our current standings, the boys still go out every night and compete for that Flaming C on their chest, not for the party afterwards like those kids up north.

The Flames could not even see the first year through.. No chance Burke has the patience and I suspect some money will start being thrown around in an attempt to be competitive. More of the same for the Flames for the foreseeable future.

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#158 MichaelD
December 12 2013, 12:25PM
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jonahgo wrote:

successful teams are big? is this a fact?

http://mirtle.blogspot.com/2013/01/2013-nhl-teams-by-weight-height-and-age.html

based on these data from the 2013 short season's opening rosters, chicago is 20th in weight and 29th in height... boston is similarly low (and that's including the outlier chara!). the biggest team is winnipeg...

this is gonna be rough folks... yikes.

correction: san jose is bigger than winnipeg, but the point stands; there is absolutely no correlation between team size and success.

Yeah but look at the data, Chicago is at 203, right around the average of 203.5, and Boston is at 200. Calgary is well below league average at 195 in fact thats the lowest in the league. The statement 'successful teams are big' is a bit absolute even for Burke, but the point is we need to get bigger to be successful.

Height too me isn't much of a factor, because you can get short strong guys, and tall lanky guys.

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#159 everton fc
December 12 2013, 01:01PM
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Burke's comments about surrounding Gaudreau with "beef"... If Ferland turns into something, that's be a nice linemate for Johnny G, if Ferland can play RW.

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#160 Colin.S
December 12 2013, 01:08PM
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Also for those that didn't see it, apparently Ryan Howse is still a thing and is on Twitter and had this to say:

"Wow Calgary one year too late on that one if that was last year I'd still be playing #zing #lovehockeytoday #iwannacomeback" - Ryan Howse (@RHowse27)

Really? Dude was worse than Greg Nemisz, good riddance.

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#161 the forgotten man
December 12 2013, 01:11PM
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Kent, could yourself of someone on the FN Board put together a collage of Feasterisms...I will miss him for the "left-field" soundbites.

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#162 Dr. Philosophy
December 12 2013, 01:12PM
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Has there ever been a GM who was more distinguished at throwing out quotes that make himself look stupid than Feaster?

A random sample:

"We will make the playoffs this year."

"Cervenka is the best player not in the NHL."

"We will get it done." -- early last season on extending Iggy

"We disagree with the NHL's interpretation" -- on ROR

Turning your company/franchise into a running joke in the league is not a good way to keep your job.

It is curious, though, that Burke's yearly Christmas trade ban is now in place but he nevertheless pulled the trigger on Feaster.

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#163 everton fc
December 12 2013, 01:19PM
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Parallex wrote:

See that's the thing I hate about Burke... he seems to think that Big = Good and that's just not true. Boston and LA aren't strong teams because they have big players they have big player yes but those same players are also highly skilled and I just don't get the impression that Burke sees the difference.

I'd rather the Flames be like Chicago then either of those two teams and Chicago isn't big at all.

I'm not a Burke fan. That said, we're stuck with him. Looks like Nieuwendyk's the front runner for GM.

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#164 everton fc
December 12 2013, 01:20PM
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Yep. And Roy was a goalie. Could be a possible connection. He's done a lot, with less of a roster than some teams.

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#165 backburner
December 12 2013, 10:35AM
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It will be interesting to see how Ken King reacts

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#166 mk
December 12 2013, 10:38AM
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Is Burke seriously taking over? That can't be a thing - I hope.

Is it possible there is another candidate that has been waiting in the weeds for this chance, and is being brought onboard? Brent Sutter (haha)?

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#167 mk
December 12 2013, 11:01AM
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On a side note: watching/listening to this staffer discuss the audio problems on the Flames website feed is funny.

"Why is it not embedded? Why not? ...Why not? 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10..."

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#168 Veggie Dog
December 12 2013, 11:03AM
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FYI the Sportsnet feed is not as choppy at the flames website.

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#169 McRib
December 12 2013, 11:12AM
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@They're $hittie

Who is camellerri?

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#170 BurningSensation
December 12 2013, 11:38AM
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Byron Bader wrote:

Proclivity. Nice. I had to check if that was a word. It is. Proper usage too. Excellent stuff.

Proclivity is a perfectly cromulent word.

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#171 How can u tell BB is lawyer
December 12 2013, 11:46AM
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This is gonna get ugly. The lip service begins.

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#172 FlamesRule
December 12 2013, 12:08PM
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@WildBill_1485

Totally agree Wild Bill (is this you Mr. Burke?)

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#173 jonahgo
December 12 2013, 12:39PM
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@MichaelD

yeah, i'm not sure that there is even enough variance in these data to say that one team is definitively bigger than the others. however, the statement "successful teams are big[ger] teams" is patently false. successful teams are roughly the same size as other teams, and often a little smaller.

the point is that burke is presenting us with an organizational philosophy that is based on an obviously false premise.

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#174 WildBill_1485
December 12 2013, 12:42PM
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the truth wrote:

Kris Russell could of been had for nothing. He was on waivers days before trade. Typical Feaster.

Ah ah, forgot about that fact, good point! Another bumbling Feaster move that I had previously praised him for, thanks for reminding me!

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#175 Parallex
December 12 2013, 12:47PM
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@everton fc

I think we still would have lost against the 'Hawks that year. Of course without the banged up bodies we wouldn't have limped down the stretch and we would have never faced them in the first round so...

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#176 Colin.S
December 12 2013, 01:05PM
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WildBill_1485 wrote:

If you've never laced up a pair at a competitive level you will never understand.

Have you???

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#177 suba steve
December 12 2013, 01:07PM
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everton fc wrote:

As fans, we should want to win now. Every evening. This can be done, and we can still draft wisely. I think this is what Burke's getting at - playing for the first pick doesn't always work. Look at how quick Sakic and Roy turned the Avs around. Guy like Cody McLeod and Patrick Bordeleau (who's got 4 goals and gave it to McGrattan pretty bad when they fought)... This is the direction Burke wants to go. Generally speaking.

Pretty sure that "Sakic and Roy turned the Avs around" some time after a string of high draft picks that included Eric Lindros, who got the Nords a truckload of talent in trade (Forsberg included).

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#178 everton fc
December 12 2013, 01:14PM
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suba steve wrote:

Pretty sure that "Sakic and Roy turned the Avs around" some time after a string of high draft picks that included Eric Lindros, who got the Nords a truckload of talent in trade (Forsberg included).

Roy's presence in the organization, and his "fire", have the Avs 11 games over .500. My opinion, of course.

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#179 Colin.S
December 12 2013, 01:19PM
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@WildBill_1485

Alright I'll bite, what league??

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#180 Veggie Dog
December 12 2013, 02:35PM
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Lober wrote:

Well Sven got sent to the AHL so you could say I'm pretty pissed

Sigh

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#181 Colin.S
December 12 2013, 02:56PM
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T&A4Flames wrote:

Haven't read through all the comments. But in case it hasn't been said, Weisbrod wasn't around when Gaudreau was drafted. He was still in BOS. That was all Feaster and his scouts.

He was hired less than 48 hours after Gaudreau was drafted, now I'm not saying there was tampering or anything like that. But what I'm saying is that the Flames had contact with him well before the draft(you don't make decisions like this is 48 hours) and maybe a name or two came up in those discussions.

Looking at all the drafts before 2011, it wasn't like we just started drafting US players but there was usually one a year, but they all fit the same mold, big guys, not much offence. Gaudreau was a drastic difference from the guys we usually drafted, I'm guessing someone other than the guy we usually had scouting North Eastern US junior hockey probably had some input into that decision.

I mean maybe Feaster and Co decided to go completely off the board at random just to show the fans how different he was from Sutter and willing to take small guys and it just so happened to work out so well for him, but I doubt it.

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#182 Lordmork
December 12 2013, 03:01PM
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@McRib

As near as I can tell, Howse has since deleted his twitter account, probably because he got a half dozen comments saying pretty much that.

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#183 McRib
December 12 2013, 03:03PM
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@Colin.S

Ya, I believe John Weisbrod was sitting at our table draft day when they selected Johnny Gaudreau. It was all but official. The Flames actually fired most of the that old scouting staff (somehow Todd Button hung in there AGAIN) the night after the draft and John Weisbrod was hired a day or two later its obvious who made the pick.

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#184 TRAV
December 12 2013, 03:32PM
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Parallex wrote:

Kind of rich if those are the reasons considering that Burke himself has made bad trades and fished around in the Euro leagues for goalies in the not to distent past.

Truthfully I was surprised. Most would say Feaster has been okay. (Don't think that you can argue that he has been brilliant or truly terrible. Some good some bad.)

I have heard some proclaim that if they made a massive RoR blunder in their line of work that they would have been fired right then. None of us will ever know the exact reasoning but I gotta think that Janko, RoR, Iginla fiasco, JBo move etc. contributed to decision.

If nothing else I expect that fans will have more to comment on. Burke is never boring....

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#185 EugeneV
December 12 2013, 05:05PM
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suba steve wrote:

Pretty sure that "Sakic and Roy turned the Avs around" some time after a string of high draft picks that included Eric Lindros, who got the Nords a truckload of talent in trade (Forsberg included).

Yeah, wakey wakey. He means this year. 29th to whatever they are now. Not 1990 whatever.

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#186 EugeneV
December 12 2013, 05:08PM
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Parallex wrote:

See that's the thing I hate about Burke... he seems to think that Big = Good and that's just not true. Boston and LA aren't strong teams because they have big players they have big player yes but those same players are also highly skilled and I just don't get the impression that Burke sees the difference.

I'd rather the Flames be like Chicago then either of those two teams and Chicago isn't big at all.

Pretty sure he means big and talented, not just big.

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#187 Andy7189
December 12 2013, 05:17PM
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Southern_Point wrote:

I liked Weisbrod's drafting philosophy, we can discuss the merits of drafting Janko but it's the same mindset that saw us draft Johnny hockey, so I'm a little disappointed to see him go as well.

You have to think this was a little harsh given that neither Feaster or Weisbrod have been particularly poor at their Job, but there is obviously a story behind it.

I am torn between wanting Hartley fired and not wanting to see Ron Wilson anywhere near Calgary.

Fire Hartley? For what???

A return to Brent Sutter mind numbingly boring, pointless moronic "system" adherence?

Those kids work hard for Bob. Some call them the hardest working team in the NHL.

If the Flames had a decent 3 & 4 Defence pairing, they'd be not bad all things considered. And they may have them, but they have not developed yet.

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#188 Colin.S
December 12 2013, 05:24PM
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McRib wrote:

Now that I have digested the shock from this morning, I actually don't mind this move. You look at Jay Bouwmeester who is currently 7th in defense scoring (+13)... You gotta think we could have gotten more in a trade for him than we did....

That's the thing with Feaster he made some likeable moves, but also could have done better in almost every situation. I am an advocate of getting Mark Jankowski & Sieloff, but would be the first to admit I would have much rathered Girgensons, Teravainen, Hertl, Laughton, Maatta, etc.

I think the biggest thing for me is Feaster was growing on me because of some prospects success (Monahan, Poirier, Johnny Hockey, etc) and the AHL teams record, but we also could have done better and was more shocked at the timing of the firing if anything.

I agree with most of what you say minus having Girgensons, really hasn't impressed me that much and is supposed to have a much lower ceiling as well.

As well the Bouwmeester point. The problem with Bouwmeester was never him, it was our utilization and deployment of him. We never played him the way a player like him should be played. We never gave him the opportunity to be flashy or put up big points or give him a half decent defensive partner that he could rely on(LOL BUTLER!). I think he played with Giordano here and there, but for he was also partnered with other very immobile defensemen. It's hardly Feasters fault what happened with Bouwmeester, that ship had long sailed by the time he was hired(lol Sutter).

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#189 Burnward
December 12 2013, 06:39PM
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Well guys, grab ya popcorn! Sheets about to get very interesting.

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#190 Citizen David
December 12 2013, 11:55AM
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Justin Azevedo wrote:

there's a lot of people here who like the hire. http://flamesnation.ca/2013/9/9/on-the-burke-hiring/page/1#comments

Oilers fan here. This is why I'm confused. Flames fans seemed to loves the Burke hire...

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#191 Kevin R
December 12 2013, 12:20PM
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Kevin R wrote:

I'm still trying to digest this. Thing is, Feaster has done some very good things but the the things he hasn't done well are career ending type of mistakes. I know most will say that the ROR thing never happened so get over it. Thing is, if it did, this team would have lost Monahan & set this organization back years. I know it is up for debate but I have not been happy with the trade returns for Regehr & JBO. Iggy was a different animal. Teams are desperate for a top pairing Dman, JBO was not a rental, I love Porrier(sp?) but the return was underwhelming for such an important piece. I knew Feaster's days were numbered but I thought his drafting & decent signings would have bought him 1-2 years to stock up before the team needed to change gears.

I think the Cap & the new TV deal has sped up the time table to changing gears. I also expect Edwards wants a long painful rebuild. Obviously wont be a popular direction around here but the man with the gold makes the rules. I think this move is 18 months too soon. But it was inevitable. I don't see this as a disaster but it sure is a head scratcher. I guess we know why Colborne has been getting top 6 minutes, maybe Hartley had some heads up on this.

Correction: sorry I meant to say Edwards does "NOT" want a long slow rebuild.

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#192 the forgotten man
December 12 2013, 12:35PM
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Is this finally gong to be the end for Tod(d) Button?

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#193 jeremywilhelm
December 12 2013, 12:35PM
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Edit: the NSA may be watching.

Ignore

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#194 negrilcowboy
December 12 2013, 12:39PM
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burkoff is a huge fan of jake gardner, liles and dion, whats the betting line on a deal with taranna involving one of the 3 and james reimer? dave poulin has been mentioned as a gm candidate, also fenton.

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#195 Parallex
December 12 2013, 01:12PM
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everton fc wrote:

Burke's comments about surrounding Gaudreau with "beef"... If Ferland turns into something, that's be a nice linemate for Johnny G, if Ferland can play RW.

See that's the thing I hate about Burke... he seems to think that Big = Good and that's just not true. Boston and LA aren't strong teams because they have big players they have big player yes but those same players are also highly skilled and I just don't get the impression that Burke sees the difference.

I'd rather the Flames be like Chicago then either of those two teams and Chicago isn't big at all.

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#196 Veggie Dog
December 12 2013, 02:50PM
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TRAV wrote:

To be honest i think that this is a great move. Heard Ken Holland talking about developing players and his quote was, "The NHL is not the league for players to learn how to play the game. We believe in seasoning guys in the minors so that they can learn to play properly. It is a very rare guy who can come into the league and develop his skill/ confidence in the NHL. This is just not the way we do things in Detroit."

Sven is a player who is not playing with confidence. Stats support this. (2 goals/ limited minutes) He is too important to have flounder. He needs to go down and dominate, regain confidence and play a crap load of minutes. I actually think that this move shows that Burke values Sven too much to watch him take steps backward.

Possibly, but from his comments earlier in the year it could also be a sign that he is not a fan of the kid.

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#197 Parallex
December 12 2013, 02:52PM
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@TRAV

Kind of rich if those are the reasons considering that Burke himself has made bad trades and fished around in the Euro leagues for goalies in the not to distent past.

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#198 Andy7189
December 12 2013, 08:03PM
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@redricardo

Apparently Kevin Lowe knows how to win as well.

Hmmm...

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#199 ianberg1
December 12 2013, 11:41AM
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@CutterMcAwesome

Not in the slightest.

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#200 everton fc
December 12 2013, 12:41PM
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negrilcowboy wrote:

burkoff is a huge fan of jake gardner, liles and dion, whats the betting line on a deal with taranna involving one of the 3 and james reimer? dave poulin has been mentioned as a gm candidate, also fenton.

Fenton would be his first major win. I'd take Fenton.

(Does this mean Tootoo's becomes a 4th line plugger?! Better production than McGrattan!:) )

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