Breaking: Flames Fire Feaster & Weisbrod

Ryan Pike
December 12 2013 10:18AM

 

 

The Flames official Twitter account has announced that Jay Feaster and John Weisbrod have been relieved of their duties.

A press conference with real, actual details is coming up at 11am.

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#51 WildBill_1485
December 12 2013, 12:05PM
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@Mac962

Speak for own damn self Soiler fan. We're in the first year of our rebuild and still have a heartbeat in every game. Not like that roller coaster to the North. How many first overall draft picks do you guys need to even be competitive. Do not ever compare our rebuild to yours, you see first hand what a losing culture creates. As I said, even given our current standings, the boys still go out every night and compete for that Flaming C on their chest, not for the party afterwards like those kids up north.

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#52 Colin.S
December 12 2013, 12:22PM
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WildBill_1485 wrote:

All you people complain about Burke's penchant for truculence, yet I guarantee you're all the first to hit their feet when McGrattan drops the mitts to defend our city and the kids. Hypocrites.

How does beating in another goons head defend our city and the kids???

He's not superman, he's paid to beat up other grown men.

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#53 suba steve
December 12 2013, 01:07PM
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everton fc wrote:

As fans, we should want to win now. Every evening. This can be done, and we can still draft wisely. I think this is what Burke's getting at - playing for the first pick doesn't always work. Look at how quick Sakic and Roy turned the Avs around. Guy like Cody McLeod and Patrick Bordeleau (who's got 4 goals and gave it to McGrattan pretty bad when they fought)... This is the direction Burke wants to go. Generally speaking.

Pretty sure that "Sakic and Roy turned the Avs around" some time after a string of high draft picks that included Eric Lindros, who got the Nords a truckload of talent in trade (Forsberg included).

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#54 Colin.S
December 12 2013, 01:19PM
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Alright I'll bite, what league??

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#55 Southern_Point
December 12 2013, 02:11PM
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@WildBill_1485

I didn't realize I was going to have my masculinity questioned, in light of that informative answer my question seems non-masculine and silly. How is it a man's game when women play it as well, and children. I'm pretty this notion that it's a 'man's game' and men should fight each other is more harmful then just not fighting each other.

Also I live Canada so of course 'I've laced up a pair.' You aren't going to war to kill people you are playing sport.

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#56 Colin.S
December 12 2013, 02:56PM
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T&A4Flames wrote:

Haven't read through all the comments. But in case it hasn't been said, Weisbrod wasn't around when Gaudreau was drafted. He was still in BOS. That was all Feaster and his scouts.

He was hired less than 48 hours after Gaudreau was drafted, now I'm not saying there was tampering or anything like that. But what I'm saying is that the Flames had contact with him well before the draft(you don't make decisions like this is 48 hours) and maybe a name or two came up in those discussions.

Looking at all the drafts before 2011, it wasn't like we just started drafting US players but there was usually one a year, but they all fit the same mold, big guys, not much offence. Gaudreau was a drastic difference from the guys we usually drafted, I'm guessing someone other than the guy we usually had scouting North Eastern US junior hockey probably had some input into that decision.

I mean maybe Feaster and Co decided to go completely off the board at random just to show the fans how different he was from Sutter and willing to take small guys and it just so happened to work out so well for him, but I doubt it.

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#57 WildBill_1485
December 12 2013, 04:48PM
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First of all, I would like to apologize for the way I come across sometimes. I do not mean to question anyone's passion or love for our team, like someone said, that's why we are all here and everyone's point is just as valid as my own. I get fired up sometimes (because of the way my career was taken from me), like any kid in Canada I lived and breathed (playing) this game from the first time my parents put me in skates when I was 4.

To Parallex: I do not have to prove anything to you, I will stick behind the point of a user name for the intended purpose of it, anonymity. But for the record, I was 14 when I attended my first WHL main camp, and to give you an idea of my current age that was back when Edmonton had the Ice. The '4th rate senior quasi-beer league' I played in paid for my first degree, hence the reason fighting was frowned upon in the league. Having played 4 years of junior before that, where fighting was allowed, I can tell you first hand the difference between two such leagues. When guys lose the fear of being held accountable for their actions, everyone becomes the toughest guy on earth. Stickwork, trash talking, and dirty play goes way up. If you do not believe me, go watch the Sait Trojans play, then compare it to a Calgary Hitmen game. That is best way I can 'prove it to you'.

To Southern Point: I am sorry I came across as questioning your own personal masculinity. All I was saying there was that there is a reason why a hockey player breaks his leg and still tries to get to the bench, and a reason why a basketball player gets a leg cramp and needs to be carried off the court. To this day there has not been a female skater in the NHL, I guess I was only wrong in saying "hockey" instead of "the NHL" (and all the leagues that feed into it). I do not mean to take anything away from women's hockey, I have coached both genders and the team I currently coach was fortunate enough to play the Canadian Women's team this year, and those girls can play. They are just two different games however, and I don't think that is unfair to say.

"Also I live Canada so of course 'I've laced up a pair.' You aren't going to war to kill people you are playing sport."

Sorry I do not mean for this to sound condescending again, but right there is what I mean by "competitively". If you haven't played at a level where you are going to 'war' figuratively, then you don't have the same understanding of the game as I do. Not saying that 'that' is better or worse than you, it is just what I chose to do with my life. I never played football before, I don't go around saying the rules need to be changed because there are so many head injuries. People still pay money to see it.

To everyone else: Again, sorry. Do not mean to be 'that guy', I'll try and keep er calmer! That is just where I come from!

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#58 CutterMcAwesome
December 12 2013, 10:24AM
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Does anyone else think this kind of came out of left field?

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#59 GermanFlame
December 12 2013, 10:27AM
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Wow! If Brian Burke is the new Flames new GM I am scared for Sven and/or Backlund's future with this organization.

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#60 de Animoe
December 12 2013, 10:32AM
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And so begins the Era of Truculence. Shudder.

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#61 Stockley
December 12 2013, 10:37AM
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So Burke will probably take over and eventually hire Dave Nonis who will eventually take over for him. Haven't we seen this before?

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#62 NHL93
December 12 2013, 10:37AM
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I'm kind of frightened right now.

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#63 Stockley
December 12 2013, 10:56AM
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kittensandcookies wrote:

MOAR FACEPUNCHERS!

Time to trade some of our smaller guys and bring in Colton Orr and Zenon Konopka.

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#64 The Voice In The Dark
December 12 2013, 11:11AM
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Ouch, as others have said, Feaster may have been bad, but if Burke is the new GM, things won't be so great in CGY.

Burke has been good at turning awful teams into decent ones, as he did in Vancouver and Toronto; however, he hasn't shown any ability to take the team to the next level and turn them from 'decent' into contender, despite what he tells you about the team being elite.

The Burke-era Canucks desperately needed an upgrade in net, a winger for the Sedins, and a legit 1st line center (no offense to Morrison), but he just stood pat the whole time and made moves for 4th-line grinders and bottom pairing defencemen. Similar story in Toronto - got the team out of the gutter, but couldn't get them over the top.

He turned a good team into a contender in Anaheim, but that was a lot of luck. I think the key with Burke is firing him at the right time, i.e. after he's pulled the team out of the sewer, but before 'Team Burke' stagnates. And keep Nonis far, far away from him. He'll just continue the 'Team Burke' plan.

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#65 Flame On
December 12 2013, 11:11AM
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More truculence !!! Here we come.

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#66 Justin Azevedo
December 12 2013, 11:13AM
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there's a lot of people here who like the hire. http://flamesnation.ca/2013/9/9/on-the-burke-hiring/page/1#comments

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#67 ned
December 12 2013, 11:14AM
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Dear Mr. Burke,

Please ease up on the cough syrup and get a comb.

xo,

Your Mom

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#68 Veggie Dog
December 12 2013, 11:17AM
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His comment just now " I have been doing this a long time, and I think I know what I am doing." Is terrifyingly similar to K-Lowe :(

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#69 VK63
December 12 2013, 11:19AM
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Although on one hand those of us with an interest in the machinations of the Flames shall now be regularly informed. I don't see any change of significance being achieved UNTIL Ken King is unceremoniously sent packing.

The structure of the rot remains identical to the last many manifestations of the flames hierarchy albeit with a different figurehead.

IMHO.

But hey.

theres only one way to go…. and thats up.. no matter who is in charge.

Let the bombastic and arrogant truculent speak begin.

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#70 McRib
December 12 2013, 11:25AM
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No offence but at least the Burke-era Canucks were remotely capable of drafting talent.... Mike Gillies gets all the credit and all he did was resign Burke/Nonis drafted players (Sedins, Schneider, Edler, Hansen, Kesler, Bieksa, Burrows, Raymond, etc)....

No one has drafted more busts than Vancouver under Gillies (White, Schroeder, Jensen, Gaunce, Shinkaruk, Sauve, etc). Cody Hodgson a can't miss Top. 10 pick is the only player Gillies has drafted to play more than 40 games for the Canucks.... Then they traded him for another bust Kassian. Hahah.

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#71 New rebuild already ?
December 12 2013, 11:35AM
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Burkie was unhappy with the return on the Iggy trade and the way Feaster let Kipper walk away for nothing. Berra... Meh, an assured lotto pick position.

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#72 mattyc
December 12 2013, 11:39AM
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I'm not sure that's exactly what he's saying. I think Burke is saying he wants his bottom six to be more like LA or Boston (big guys like Nolan or whatever). Backlund and Baertschi aren't bottom six guys.

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#73 How can u tell BB is lawyer
December 12 2013, 11:46AM
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This is gonna get ugly. The lip service begins.

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#74 jonahgo
December 12 2013, 12:12PM
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successful teams are big? is this a fact?

http://mirtle.blogspot.com/2013/01/2013-nhl-teams-by-weight-height-and-age.html

based on these data from the 2013 short season's opening rosters, chicago is 20th in weight and 29th in height... boston is similarly low (and that's including the outlier chara!). the biggest team is winnipeg...

this is gonna be rough folks... yikes.

correction: san jose is bigger than winnipeg, but the point stands; there is absolutely no correlation between team size and success.

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#75 Eddie Shore
December 12 2013, 12:14PM
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WildBill_1485 wrote:

Speak for own damn self Soiler fan. We're in the first year of our rebuild and still have a heartbeat in every game. Not like that roller coaster to the North. How many first overall draft picks do you guys need to even be competitive. Do not ever compare our rebuild to yours, you see first hand what a losing culture creates. As I said, even given our current standings, the boys still go out every night and compete for that Flaming C on their chest, not for the party afterwards like those kids up north.

The Flames could not even see the first year through.. No chance Burke has the patience and I suspect some money will start being thrown around in an attempt to be competitive. More of the same for the Flames for the foreseeable future.

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#76 prendrefeu
December 12 2013, 12:20PM
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VK63 wrote:

Although on one hand those of us with an interest in the machinations of the Flames shall now be regularly informed. I don't see any change of significance being achieved UNTIL Ken King is unceremoniously sent packing.

The structure of the rot remains identical to the last many manifestations of the flames hierarchy albeit with a different figurehead.

IMHO.

But hey.

theres only one way to go…. and thats up.. no matter who is in charge.

Let the bombastic and arrogant truculent speak begin.

Has there been an online petition (such as change.org) set up to demand the firing of Ken King yet?

Why don't we, the fans, start one? Social media has a *lot* of power. I'm not sure if any of you have been paying attention to the debacle between Specialized Bicycle Components (a US company) and a shop owner in Cochrane, but a few initial stories lead to some powerful debates on some surprisingly influential forums (such as Weight Weenies), and within a few days the tides were overwhelmingly shifted against Specialized - and the impact against Specialized may be more permanent than they first calculated.

Seriously, consider it.

Whoever sets it up needs to have the time to update it and keep it active every once in a while, and at least some social-media influence to get it going.

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#77 WildBill_1485
December 12 2013, 12:21PM
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I would take being competitive all season and playing meaningful games in Feb/March and coming up just short over beginning the debate on who we are going to select first over all in December every year any day (sound familiar Oilers fans?). Sucks we have been a fringe team for so long, but at least its entertaining and our ownership group chooses not to subject the fan base to being the laughing stock of the league year after year in hopes that "next year is our year when all our magic beans sprout".

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#78 the-wolf
December 12 2013, 12:27PM
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That Feaster didn't get the season is bizarre, the timing seems very strange.

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#79 Ed Wailin'
December 12 2013, 12:48PM
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I wonder if that snowy day in rural Quebec in December 2011 when Weisbrod was admittedly "having a bad day" could have known that he was sealing both his and Feaster's fate almost 2 years later to the day....

http://ca.sports.yahoo.com/blogs/jrhockey-buzzing-the-net/2012-nhl-draft-calgary-flames-mark-jankowski-goes-052648549.html

Burkie pretty much threw him under the bus with his comments about "I don't know much about weisbrod"... thinking back on it all... I think I'm more than ok with it. The scouting tactics seemed "suspect" even at the best of times, and has always been our Achilles heel.

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#80 everton fc
December 12 2013, 12:49PM
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Parallex wrote:

Truth be told I don't want a long slow rebuild either... I DO want the Flames to have a better then good shot at one of McDavid, Eichel, Barzal (THose are franchise type guys) next year but beyond that I want to Flames to use their cheque book and start pushing for a winner.

As fans, we should want to win now. Every evening. This can be done, and we can still draft wisely. I think this is what Burke's getting at - playing for the first pick doesn't always work. Look at how quick Sakic and Roy turned the Avs around. Guy like Cody McLeod and Patrick Bordeleau (who's got 4 goals and gave it to McGrattan pretty bad when they fought)... This is the direction Burke wants to go. Generally speaking.

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#81 Colin.S
December 12 2013, 01:08PM
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Also for those that didn't see it, apparently Ryan Howse is still a thing and is on Twitter and had this to say:

"Wow Calgary one year too late on that one if that was last year I'd still be playing #zing #lovehockeytoday #iwannacomeback" - Ryan Howse (@RHowse27)

Really? Dude was worse than Greg Nemisz, good riddance.

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#82 Justin Azevedo
December 12 2013, 02:16PM
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@WildBill_1485

snide appeals to authority don't go over very well here.

let's all calm it down a little, folks.

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#83 Veggie Dog
December 12 2013, 02:26PM
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@WildBill_1485

This is a fan website, if it is not to your liking, perhaps your league buddies are a better source of conversation. I am not sure why someone's opinion is less valid because they are a primarily a fan. I will wager that most on this site (by virtue of growing up in Canada) have at least played/ Perhaps not "competitively", whatever that means, but nonetheless they are familiar with the game.

Also, guys like Yzerman (who I suspect may know a thing or two about hockey) are against fighting. So it is not like this opinion is completely beyond the realm of discussion. Frankly, I don't care one way or the other. I don't especially enjoy fights, nor is it my business is Brian McGrattan wants to pummel his head to an early death or degenerative brain disease.

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#84 Veggie Dog
December 12 2013, 02:50PM
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TRAV wrote:

To be honest i think that this is a great move. Heard Ken Holland talking about developing players and his quote was, "The NHL is not the league for players to learn how to play the game. We believe in seasoning guys in the minors so that they can learn to play properly. It is a very rare guy who can come into the league and develop his skill/ confidence in the NHL. This is just not the way we do things in Detroit."

Sven is a player who is not playing with confidence. Stats support this. (2 goals/ limited minutes) He is too important to have flounder. He needs to go down and dominate, regain confidence and play a crap load of minutes. I actually think that this move shows that Burke values Sven too much to watch him take steps backward.

Possibly, but from his comments earlier in the year it could also be a sign that he is not a fan of the kid.

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#85 SeanCharles
December 12 2013, 03:07PM
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From day 1 I have been a Feaster supporter. He drafted a lot of good prospects for us and did a lot of positive things for this organization without much to work with.

That being said I can live with this move as long as players like Gaudreau, Sven and Brodie don't get traded..

These 3 are smaller than our other top young players and I feel they are integral to our rebuild.

I just hope Burke does too.

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#86 Matt
December 12 2013, 05:18PM
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WildBill_1485 wrote:

Yes sir, concussions forced me into an early retirement however because I played in a league that did not allow the players to police themselves, therefore guys run around without fear of any consequences and run guys from behind regularly (the one that ended my career broke my orbital bone and forced me to stay in my dark basement for months, and three years later I have not fully recovered). The guy who did it got a one game suspension, and I have not been able to play since. Bet he would have thought twice before running me from behind if Big Mac was on our bench and he wasnt handcuffed by instigator rules.

What a bunch of nonsense. If "players police themselves" then you'd end up with two guys with ended careers from concussions rather than one. The problem isn't that someone didn't beat the crap out of whoever hit you, the problem was that the guy who hit you got a one-game suspension instead of suspended for the remainder of the season.

Violence begets violence. You want to get this out of the game, start giving players real suspensions and real fines. Ten games for concussing someone on a dirty play should be the *minimum*, not the maximum. You see a guy lose four months of playing time and two million in salary, you're going to think twice about throwing that stupid check.

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#87 jeremywilhelm
December 12 2013, 10:23AM
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What in the f just happened?

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#88 backburner
December 12 2013, 10:24AM
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WTF!?

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#89 aloudoun
December 12 2013, 10:25AM
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Im actually stunned. Wow. Maybe Burke wanted to trade someone and Feaster didnt? Argument went to King and Feaster lost?

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#90 Southern_Point
December 12 2013, 10:27AM
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I liked Weisbrod's drafting philosophy, we can discuss the merits of drafting Janko but it's the same mindset that saw us draft Johnny hockey, so I'm a little disappointed to see him go as well.

You have to think this was a little harsh given that neither Feaster or Weisbrod have been particularly poor at their Job, but there is obviously a story behind it.

I am torn between wanting Hartley fired and not wanting to see Ron Wilson anywhere near Calgary.

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#91 Monaertchi
December 12 2013, 10:28AM
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Oh crap. Let the Burkinating begin.

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#92 seve927
December 12 2013, 10:32AM
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I have not been this frightened in quite some time.

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#93 Kent Wilson
December 12 2013, 10:32AM
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I guess the Christmas roster freeze doesn't extend to management.

Surprised this happened now. Timing seems odd.

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#94 Leafer
December 12 2013, 10:38AM
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BUH BUH BUH BURKE IT UP GUYS! http://i.imgur.com/bgqF4.gif

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#95 mk
December 12 2013, 10:38AM
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Is Burke seriously taking over? That can't be a thing - I hope.

Is it possible there is another candidate that has been waiting in the weeds for this chance, and is being brought onboard? Brent Sutter (haha)?

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#96 schevvy
December 12 2013, 10:41AM
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Ok. This is very odd timing for this kind of move. Not feeling too good about Sven's future here. Very strange day.

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#97 Leafer
December 12 2013, 10:43AM
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Just as a side note: Did none of you see this coming the moment Burke was brought on board?

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#98 McRib
December 12 2013, 10:43AM
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Not to freak everyone out, but Johnny Gaudreau was Feaster/Weisbrod's guy.... This is out of absolute left field would have at least given him until the end of the year. Must of got in a pissing match with Burke or more likely Murray Edwards.

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#99 McRib
December 12 2013, 10:48AM
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@acg5151

"Brian Burke has always gone for the big, strong guys."

Lets just hope we draft Ryan Getzlaf's more often than Tyler Biggs. Sometimes Brian Burke's drafting is very Darryl Sutter like big and no skilled, but at least he can also knock it out of the park with Sedin's, Morgan Rielly, Perry, etc.

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#100 Kevin R
December 12 2013, 10:48AM
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WTF!!!!!! I cant believe this, I cant believe it was this quick. WTF went down here???? Welllll things are going to be interesting. I must say, I am very disappointed. Something changed the philosophy here, was it because the Cap is going so high & Edwards is asking Burke if we spend $75mill on player salaries, why cant we contend? Obviously he has no appetite to endure what is happening up North.

I am so disappointed, I liked how we were drafting.

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