Breaking: Flames Fire Feaster & Weisbrod

Ryan Pike
December 12 2013 10:18AM

 

 

The Flames official Twitter account has announced that Jay Feaster and John Weisbrod have been relieved of their duties.

A press conference with real, actual details is coming up at 11am.

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#201 TRAV
December 12 2013, 05:19PM
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I agree with those who have said that being big isn't the answer. Being skilled and small also not the recipe. Need to have a combo of size/speed and skill. Darren Haynes wrote on twitter

"When Chicago beat the Bruins to win 2013 Stanley Cup, both teams combined had 5 players shorter than 6-foot-0. Tue vs Boston, #Flames had 6."

To be honest the best analogy is that old Nintendo Ice hockey video game where you could pick the super fast skinny guys or the huge fat slow guys. Usually the balanced team won. (great tunes to boot) Apologies to those born post Nintendo Ice Hockey. A true classic!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5kXVFCfBWoQ

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#202 EugeneV
December 12 2013, 05:22PM
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Lober wrote:

Well Sven got sent to the AHL so you could say I'm pretty pissed

He should be in the AHL. Should have been all season. And last season as well. Then he would have been ready for 2014/15.

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#203 Colin.S
December 12 2013, 05:24PM
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McRib wrote:

Now that I have digested the shock from this morning, I actually don't mind this move. You look at Jay Bouwmeester who is currently 7th in defense scoring (+13)... You gotta think we could have gotten more in a trade for him than we did....

That's the thing with Feaster he made some likeable moves, but also could have done better in almost every situation. I am an advocate of getting Mark Jankowski & Sieloff, but would be the first to admit I would have much rathered Girgensons, Teravainen, Hertl, Laughton, Maatta, etc.

I think the biggest thing for me is Feaster was growing on me because of some prospects success (Monahan, Poirier, Johnny Hockey, etc) and the AHL teams record, but we also could have done better and was more shocked at the timing of the firing if anything.

I agree with most of what you say minus having Girgensons, really hasn't impressed me that much and is supposed to have a much lower ceiling as well.

As well the Bouwmeester point. The problem with Bouwmeester was never him, it was our utilization and deployment of him. We never played him the way a player like him should be played. We never gave him the opportunity to be flashy or put up big points or give him a half decent defensive partner that he could rely on(LOL BUTLER!). I think he played with Giordano here and there, but for he was also partnered with other very immobile defensemen. It's hardly Feasters fault what happened with Bouwmeester, that ship had long sailed by the time he was hired(lol Sutter).

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#204 Andy7189
December 12 2013, 08:03PM
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@redricardo

Apparently Kevin Lowe knows how to win as well.

Hmmm...

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#205 EugeneV
December 13 2013, 12:47AM
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I'm not... more precisely I think that if he's given a choice between average sized and more talented or big and less talented he'll choose less talented.

I just pray that whomever is hired as GM isn't hired on his willingness to be a puppet and that Burke is humble (HA!) enough to let someone with a perspective other then his own into the room.

Who says size isn't a part of the talent equation.

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#206 Parallex
December 13 2013, 07:58AM
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EugeneV wrote:

Who says size isn't a part of the talent equation.

Logic says that. Being big isn't a skill, being big isn't a talent.

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#207 Parallex
December 13 2013, 08:15AM
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@redricardo

That's one of the things I found confusing about the firing... even before Burke came on board Feaster was doing quite a few Burke type things, Example: Picking up college guys (Bozak/Hanson), grabbing Euro goalies to see if they work out (Gustavsson), Talking about wanting to get bigger (various interviews), besides the Jankowski pick (and even that resulted in getting a guy known for "truculance" in Sieloff) his drafting has been very good.

For the life of me I really don't see anything that Feaster's done since starting the rebuild that warrented his removal even just from the perspective of Burke's known proclivities.

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#208 Jeff Lebowski
December 13 2013, 10:34AM
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With time to digest, I've calmed a little bit. However, I am extremely concerned about the future direction of the rebuild. Feaster, for all his mistakes, restocked the talent pool - yes a drawback is the team got smaller - but Feaster recognized this.

I recall Feaster commenting on the prospects early in his tenure here. No one calls him about the big, truculent guys the Flames had an abundance of (the JD Watts etc).

He mentioned that if Calgary had good (read: skilled) young prospects they would've been up with the team. So he and Weisbrod in an incredibly short amount of time remade what was once a laughingstock, of prospect depth into one regarded as in the top 10 (by outside scouts). 2 freaking drafts, he did that.

Burke is driven by his massive ego. It seems to me he felt like he was hired to make his mark. He wasn't going to evaluate the team and conclude: all good here. Keep it up. Or we just need to emphasize size a little more but the preference for high IQ is a winner.

Nope. He had to prove why he was hired in the first place. Does anyone think he wasn't looking for reasons to rid the org of Feaster? Ego. He thought the first question to be asked was if he was taking job. Of course he did. Everything is about him. My teams this and I like that... Fool! His ego and it's detrimental consequences eventually do this prick in every time. He doesn't learn. Sounds like Kevin Lowe.

How far removed is this org from the debacle of the Sutter drafting and development philosophy? We're going back to that?!

IF Burke made the move because last regime was getting fleeced and/or certain due diligence requirements were over looked, I can live with that. If he recognizes the prospects improvement and adds size by replacing vets that's ok.

IF Burke wants to trade prospects and skill guys for useless meatheads then I'm going to put a voodoo hex on Burke.

If Burke returns CGY to Darryl like drafting/philosophy if he gives up on kids and tries to undo 'mistakes' he's going to set this org back YEARS.

Hopefully the methods Feaster/Weisbrod employed for drafting are preserved.

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