FGD: NEW BEGINNINGS

Byron Bader
December 12 2013 01:29PM

 

 

- stick tap to @Notbaertschi for grabbing this beauty.

The Flames are two days removed from an emotional game against the Bruins on Tuesday, that saw the return of Jarome Iginla to the Saddledome for the first time since he was traded last Spring. After the emotions settled after a raucous ovation to start things off, the Bruins eventually got their game going in the 3rd period, beating the Flames 2-1.

Tonight, hoping to get back into the win column, the Flames (11-15-4) host the Brothers Staal and the Hurricanes (13-13-6).  The game is the first in the post-Jay Feaster era, after he was let go of the Flames GM role this morning.  Brian Burke has taken over as Interim GM for now.  While the impact won’t be felt tonight, player movements will certainly ramp up in the coming months.

As for the match up tonight, the Flames and Hurricanes play in different conferences and have only played each other a handful of times. As a result, the rivalry is essentially non-existent. However, one thing to watch tonight is to see how Elias Lindholm performs for the Hurricanes. At the 2013 draft, Lindholm and Sean Monahan were both considered high-calibre prospects that would go early in the draft. In fact, both prospects were estimated to go between 5th  and 7th overall in the first round of the draft.  The two prospects were so close in their skill sets that the Flames fans were not sure who they would rather the Flames choose come draft day. 

The Hurricanes made the decision easy for the Flames by choosing Lindholm in the 5 spot, leaving Monahan to the Flames at the 6 spot.  As of today, Monahan’s leading the votes for who got the better prospect with strong two-way play and 15 points in 24 games. Lindholm, although looking more comfortable lately, had a slow start with the Canes and hasn’t looked nearly as good.  He has registered only 7 points in 20 games.  Nevertheless, with Monahan out with an injury, many eyes will be on the Hurricane’s prospect tonight to see what the Flames might have missed out on.

THE LINE-UPS

As always, thanks to our dudes at dailyfaceoff.com for the combos.  Here we go...

  • Cammalleri –Stajan –Stempniak

  • Galiardi –Backlund – D. Jones

  • Baertschi Glencross – Colborne – Hudler

  • B. Jones – Byron – McGrattan
  • Smid –Giordano

  • Russell – Brodie

  • Butler – O’Brien
  • Ramo

TJ Galiardi is going to get back in the line-up after being out a couple weeks with back problems.  It looks like he’ll line up with Backs and D.Jones while Lance Bouma will come out of the line-up. Also there’s a chance that Glen-X is going to be back in the line-up tonight as well.  As a result, Blair Jones, Paul Byron or most probably Sven Baertschi (I hope not) will come out and the lines will be completely different.  As such, the above will be irrelevant. We will adjust as we get more news this afternoon.

That D, I don’t hate it. The Russell – Brodie pairing has looked good for the most part.  Gio and Smid as the shutdown duo ain’t too shabby.  Butler and O’Brien rounding out the bottom pairing isn’t the worst thing I’ve ever seen either.  Once Wideman returns we'll really have a nice looking group.

Ramo appears to be getting the start tonight. 

Note: Alrighty then.  Looks like Sven's heading to Abby.  So there's that. Gonna guess Glencross is back in.

THE OPPONENTS

  • Skinner – E. Staal – Ruutu

  • Gerbe – J. Staal – Lindholm

  • Tlusty – Nash – Dwyer Semin

  • Westgarth – Dwyer  – Malholtra – Dvorak
  • Faulk – Sekera

  • Murphy – Hainsey
  • Gleason – Harrison
  • Ward

The Hurricanes top six, even without the always talented and rarely engaged Semin, who’s out with an injury, looks pretty good. That being said, the Staal brothers don’t appear to be their usual selves this year, offensively speaking. Jordan Staal, who came to Carolina to play with big brother Eric a few years ago, is on pace for 33 points this year.  That would be his worst total since his sophomore year.  Conversely, Eric Staal, usually good for 70-80 points, is on pace for 62 points. That would be his worst total of his entire NHL career. 

Note: I spoke too soon.  Looks like Semin will be in the line-up tonight after missing 12 games.

Carolina’s D looks pretty mediocre. Faulk and Murphy are young with significant upside and Sekera brings some good things.  Other than that it’s pretty rough. The Flames, while not having quite the offensively gifted forwards as the Canes, certainly appear to have them beat on the backend. 

 

SUM IT UP

The Flames are looking to get back on the winning side of things and continue their decent run of late, having won three of their last five games. Based on Burke's comments this morning, to get in his good books, the Flames would be best served to not give up a late lead tonight. The teams are relatively equal. They stand only six points apart. 

The Hurricanes might have more offensive weapons but the Flames have a superior defense core so it should be an even match up. The Flames and the Hurricanes have not met too many times but in the past two games between the two teams, both very close games, there were 23 goals scored in total. Hopefully we’re in for a night of old school river hockey!

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Byron has a background in psychology, economics and business and is a business researcher/data analyst by day. His love for hockey is as deep as the ocean is wide. Tell him your questions and let him into your heart. Twitter: @Baderader
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#101 Andy7190
December 12 2013, 09:09PM
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RexLibris wrote:

Iginla has scored in Edmonton (2-0).

Some fans giving him the Bronx cheer.

Thought you'd all like to know he was keeping up with old habits.

I wonder how many goals Iggy has scored in that building.

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#102 RKD
December 12 2013, 09:09PM
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In the words of Superintendent Chalmers: SKINNNNNNNNER!

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#103 RexLibris
December 12 2013, 09:13PM
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I stopped counting at "lots".

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#104 mattyc
December 12 2013, 09:13PM
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everton fc wrote:

Here's my take:

Baertschi.

Jankowski.

Jury's out on Sieloff. And Wotherspoon. Eric Roy may turn out to be one of Feaster's best finds.

you're saying the Baertschi pick is a negative? Who would you have rather they picked? To me it still seems like they made the right choice.

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#105 Parallex
December 12 2013, 09:15PM
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Because Burke never adds the part about skill... ever. He never says Big and Talented just Big.

Because he gave Colton Orr a huge amount of money for a goon, and Beauchemin and Komisarek far more then they were worth.

Because Burke assigns value to things that he should not, or at least more then is due.

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#106 RexLibris
December 12 2013, 09:15PM
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RKD wrote:

In the words of Superintendent Chalmers: SKINNNNNNNNER!

Am I the only one who wants to see a player in the league with the last name "Khan".

Just one, single overtime goal would make the whole thing worth it.

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#107 wot96
December 12 2013, 09:17PM
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Good to see the Flames turning it around on that whole closing out teams in the third thing.

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#108 RKD
December 12 2013, 09:17PM
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RAMBO MAKES THE SAVE!

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#109 RexLibris
December 12 2013, 09:20PM
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@Parallex

Size is the thing you add to the roster when you have skill, because skill is often the most difficult to acquire and develop.

Finding size and skill either requires great luck (Lucic, Bertuzzi, Getzlaf, Kopitar, etc) or great amounts of money (Chara).

Burke's approach of late has been to compromise on skill if the player has size, whereas many other teams (Detroit and Montreal as examples) have defaulted in the other direction.

What will be interesting is to what extent the new GM interprets those principles.

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#110 Parallex
December 12 2013, 09:20PM
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RAMBO MAKES THE SAVE!

Quote the Ramo Neverscore.

... sorry I like Poe and Ramo`s mask.

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#111 mattyc
December 12 2013, 09:21PM
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@Parallex

He also went out of his way to praise some skill players (Gaudreau for instance) in his presser. He also was the guy who demoted Orr and Komisarek, and traded Beauchemin for Gardiner (and Lupul!).

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#112 Andy7190
December 12 2013, 09:24PM
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Parallex wrote:

Because Burke never adds the part about skill... ever. He never says Big and Talented just Big.

Because he gave Colton Orr a huge amount of money for a goon, and Beauchemin and Komisarek far more then they were worth.

Because Burke assigns value to things that he should not, or at least more then is due.

Well if it is Nieuendyk, at least he understands the part about being big... and talented.

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#113 Parallex
December 12 2013, 09:30PM
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Exactly!

Why do some people think that somehow other people don`t want the Flames to be big and skilled? Everyone wants that... what we don't want is a team that's just big or a team that's sacrificing skill for size.

Eventually Burke is going to come face to face with the reality that the big, tough, and highly talented players are few and far between and those that come available are not likely going to elect to play for Calgary right now. When that day comes and Burke discovers that he can only get parts of those attributes I do not trust that he`ll elect to take highly talented over big and tough.

I fear that Burke is going to flub the rebuild and have no accountability because he`ll just lay the blame on and fire whatever GM he hires to effectively just be his proxy.

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#114 Parallex
December 12 2013, 09:33PM
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But he was the guy that signed Orr, Komisarek, and Beauchemin. I see no indication from his presser that he`s learned anything from those mistakes... heck for a lot of that presser you could have just replayed parts of his Toronto presser when he took the GM job there.

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#115 RexLibris
December 12 2013, 09:37PM
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@Parallex

I don't know that it will be that bad, but I do suspect that Backlund and/or Baertschi could be gone to address some other roster need.

More than anything I would guess that Burke will want to make moves that will improve the Flames quickly, without the more patient developmental process for which some may argue.

I suspect that the Flames will become relevant sooner rather than later. Whether they ever become more than that during his tenure is debatable, but this is just day one, there are so many decisions ahead that worrying too much over this or that possibility is just going to give you a headache - and you've already got Berra to do that for you.

;)

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#116 Parallex
December 12 2013, 09:38PM
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Well if it is Nieuendyk, at least he understands the part about being big... and talented.

Blah... anyone who thinks that Adam Pardy is worth the kind of scratch he doled out for him... not the guy I want.

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#117 Parallex
December 12 2013, 09:39PM
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Heh, The Butler did it.

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#118 MichaelD
December 12 2013, 09:39PM
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And Butler, it's like Flamesnation's worst nightmare

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#119 RKD
December 12 2013, 09:40PM
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Finally Chris Butter does something right!

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#120 Parallex
December 12 2013, 09:43PM
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Ironically I think Mickis might be a bit safer with Burke in charge. Burke did like Grabovski so maybe, even if he can`t be bothered to give Corsi the time of day, helikes the same things in Backlund.

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#121 Parallex
December 12 2013, 09:44PM
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RexLibris wrote:

I don't know that it will be that bad, but I do suspect that Backlund and/or Baertschi could be gone to address some other roster need.

More than anything I would guess that Burke will want to make moves that will improve the Flames quickly, without the more patient developmental process for which some may argue.

I suspect that the Flames will become relevant sooner rather than later. Whether they ever become more than that during his tenure is debatable, but this is just day one, there are so many decisions ahead that worrying too much over this or that possibility is just going to give you a headache - and you've already got Berra to do that for you.

;)

Just wait until after next offseason... I want a shot at McDavid damnit!

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#122 Andy7190
December 12 2013, 09:47PM
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Blah... anyone who thinks that Adam Pardy is worth the kind of scratch he doled out for him... not the guy I want.

Yeah, but you could say that about any GM. They all make mistakes.

Its the ones who make less that you want.

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#123 Clyde
December 12 2013, 09:47PM
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But he was the guy that signed Orr, Komisarek, and Beauchemin. I see no indication from his presser that he`s learned anything from those mistakes... heck for a lot of that presser you could have just replayed parts of his Toronto presser when he took the GM job there.

He traded besuchemin for gardiner , lupul and a 4rth. Not a bad return. Can't see Feaster getting that kind of return or even close

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#124 Parallex
December 12 2013, 09:49PM
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But he never should have signed Beauchemin to begin with.

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#125 Parallex
December 12 2013, 09:51PM
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Yeah, but that was more a comment on Nieuwendyk`s body of work as a GM as a whole... I was not impressed.

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#126 Dr. Philosophy
December 12 2013, 09:52PM
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Parallex wrote:

But he never should have signed Beauchemin to begin with.

Go back and read Clyde's post again, you're not doing it right.

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#127 Andy7190
December 12 2013, 09:53PM
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Parallex wrote:

Yeah, but that was more a comment on Nieuwendyk`s body of work as a GM as a whole... I was not impressed.

It wasn't terribly impressive, but I'd give it a giant asterix, given the financial constraints of the unstable (to put it mildly) ownership situation.

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#128 Clyde
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But he never should have signed Beauchemin to begin with.

What did he give up to sign him?

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#129 Andy7190
December 12 2013, 09:57PM
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Just a thought on the goaltending battle so far, I can see the potential in both Berra and Ramo, but I think Ramo "fights for the play" a bit better at this point. He never gives up on the puck.

Kind of like a bigger Vernon that way. Whereas Berra commits too soon, I think. He goes to his knees to quickly, and can't adjust.

He has great potential, but so far, I like Ramo better.

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#130 Derzie
December 12 2013, 10:00PM
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Put simply, we're screwed. Burke is a bully.

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#131 Andy7190
December 12 2013, 10:04PM
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Derzie wrote:

Put simply, we're screwed. Burke is a bully.

I thought Hartley was a bully last week.

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#132 RexLibris
December 12 2013, 10:08PM
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Burke is an upgrade on Feaster. At least when Burke makes a trade it can be a coin toss as to whether the Flames win or lose the trade.

With Feaster sometimes they didn't even get the coin.

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#133 Andy7190
December 12 2013, 10:16PM
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RexLibris wrote:

Burke is an upgrade on Feaster. At least when Burke makes a trade it can be a coin toss as to whether the Flames win or lose the trade.

With Feaster sometimes they didn't even get the coin.

You don't need a coin to go wandering in the desert...

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#134 McRib
December 13 2013, 09:13AM
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No need to look further than the Bouwmeester trade to question Feasters trading ability, Burke is a major upgrade in that sense teams know he demands fair value in return when trading. As mentioned above Burke got Gardnier, Lupul and a 4th for Beauchemin we got a backup goalie and a late first rounder essential for Jaybo who everyone knew in a positive situation would flourish and is a much better defenseman than Beauchemin. Feaster tried to sell us on "not eating his contract"... Why would you need to eat some contract for a defenseman that currently sits 7th in scoring for the position is a +13 and logs the minutes he does?!?! Feaster always seemed to be focused on putting spin on all of his trade to avoid the fact he got little in return.

Burke also got Cody Franson for essentially Brett Lebda. Haha. You can even criticize the Kessel trade but at least he brought in a skilled 30-40 goal scorer.... When Burke says "we need to get bigger" I think people panic and look past the fact that he also brought in skilled players Kessel, Lupul, Kadri, Rielly, Franson, etc to Toronto. Not to mention he drafted two of the most skilled big players in the league Getzlaf & Perry while he was in Anaheim. I think people want to think Burke drafts in a similar style to Sutter, but Sutter would never have drafted Kadri, Rielly, etc. Sutter drafted guys projected to go in the 3rd round (Chucko) & 7th round (Pelech) in the first round, wear as Burke drafts the big player every other year that is expected to go in the first and doesn't overlook the value of a Rielly or Kadri.

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#135 BJ
December 13 2013, 09:48AM
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Sutter passing over Getzlaf in favour of Phaneuf really robbed us of that top line center that we have always needed. There a few others whom we could have selected instead of Phaneuf.

I don't even want to mention Ramholt when Weber was sitting right there. We could have had a top center and defenseman in that draft if Sutter has followed one of the unwritten rules of never drafting a Dman in the top 10. There always seem to be some good Dmen in the late first to second round.

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#136 Jeff In Lethbridge
December 13 2013, 04:10PM
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RKD wrote:

Finally Chris Butter does something right!

By my count, Buttler just owes us about 5 more game winning goals and we're even

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