SIMPLE, YET DIFFICULT...

Jason Gregor
December 09 2013 01:56PM

It is simple to see what Craig Mactavish needs to do, but it will be difficult to achieve; Get Better Players.

We can spend hours breaking down Dallas Eakins' system, goaltending, the powerplay or a plethora of other issues, but it always comes back to the same problem; a lineup lacking in NHL talent.

MacTavish didn't build this roster, but he is the man in charge moving forward and he needs to start adding players, especially defenceman, instead of shipping them out for future prospects. The Oilers can't afford to give away any more proven NHL players for another prospect or draft pick. They have enough young players, they need experience, size and most importantly some more talent on the blueline.

The harsh reality is that opposing forwards don't fear anyone on the Oilers blueline. Andrew Ference is the only one who is hard to play against. None of the remaining D-men will make a forward pay the price in front of the net or in the corner. The Oilers can't expect Martin Marincin, Oscar Klefbom or Darnell Nurse to be that type of D-man next season. If they do, then you can expect their playoff drought to extend to nine seasons.

The onus is on MacTavish to recognize this and do his best to rectify it. Find another trading partner like the St.Louis Blues, a team willing to part with an experienced veteran player for a younger, cheaper talent, and pull the trigger.

Everyone knows the Oilers aren't making the playoffs, but they currently have over $7 million in cap space so they can afford to take on some salary to make a deal work. MacTavish has already stated he'd be willing to move the 2014 first round pick, so we know he understands the need to inject experience rather than youth into his organization.

A team looking to acquire that pick will likely wait until the season is over and they know exactly what draft spot they are getting. If you traded the Oilers a solid player today for that pick, the value of the pick would decrease by June. I don't see that pick being moved until closer to the draft.

If MacTavish wants to improve his roster over the next few months, I see the following pieces as the most likely options to move:

Sam Gagner, Nail Yakupov and Ales Hemsky. They could move Jeff Petry, but they don't have much depth on the backend, so he wouldn't be my first choice.

Hemsky is a pending UFA, so he will garner the smallest return, however, he will have value at the deadline and his cap hit will be more manageable around the March 5th deadline.

Gagner needs to play better to increase his value. The Oilers and Gagner supposedly have an unofficial no-movement clause, however, this is a business and if a deal comes along that makes sense, I don't see why MacTavish wouldn't pull the trigger.

Yakupov will garner the most interest, and while there is some risk in moving a former #1 overall pick, there will also be significant interest in him because of his draft status. If you want a good player in return, you need to be willing to give up something.

I don't see Yakupov being a foundation piece of the Oilers; they already have forwards who will be that guy. They need to use him to try and acquire a solid piece to their blueline.

Regardless of who or when MacTavish makes a move, it is apparent this group of players simply isn't good enough to win. 

QUICK HITS....

  • I'm glad James Neal got suspended. His knee on Brad Marchand was incredibly cheap, and he deserved five games. Kneeing a guy in the head is gutless, not to mention idiotic.
     
  • Shawn Thornton has always been an honest player, prior to going after Orpik. What I found crazy about that play, is that we see guys punching one another with gloves on all the time and rarely do they get injured. It doesn't excuse Thornton for what he did, he deserves to be suspended, likely at least ten games, but every NHL player I spoke with regarding the incident was surprised Orpik was injured that bad from that gloved punch.
     
  • It is time Dallas Eakins sends a message to someone in his top-nine. The Oilers had way too many turnovers at the Flames blueline on Saturday, and many of them came from blind pass attempts, rather than putting the puck deep in the zone. The Oilers are entering game 32; the coach can't allow those types of plays to continue without consequences.
     
  • Martin Marincin has been good in his two games. He's averaged over 15 minutes a game, got some PP time and he's been sheltered properly. I'd play him again on Tuesday, but I'd be cautious of keeping him here all season. A small taste of the NHL should motivate him even more when he returns to the AHL, and especally during the off-season where he needs to work on getting stronger.
     
  • Bryzgalov practiced today as did Richard Bachman. Bachman will head to OKC the minute he is cleared to play, and it sounds like Bryzgalov is close to being cleared to play. Both Bryzgalov and Dubnyk are UFAs at the end of the year, and their play in the final 50 games should decide if either, both or none of them will be re-signed.
     
  • With three weeks remaining in the NFL season my Miami Dolphins are in the wild card mix. I'm surprised, considering their horrendous GM, but with games remaining against the Patriots, Bills and Jets, they have a very good chance of making it. 
     
  • Tyler Pitlick is heading back to OKC. He hasn't played a game since October 26th. Once he gets back in game shape, I wouldn't be surprised to see him recalled in January.
     
  • The OKC Barons have had 41 different players in their lineup, including 7 different goalies, yet the Barons are only one point out of the playoffs. With Bachman and LaBarbera close to being sent down, along with Pitlick's re-assignment today, the Barons should make a push for the playoffs over the next few months.

DAY SEVEN...MONTH OF GIVING...

On Friday we raised another $2,900 for our Derks Menswear package and the Oilers/Flames tickets. Thanks to Dan and Raja for their generous bids.

Today's package... THE VIP Experience...

  • Pair of Edmonton Rush season tickets. Gold seats, lower bowl.
  • A behind the scenes tour during one home game. You'll meet the coaches, players and the cheer team.
  • You and a friend will go on a road trip with the Rush to Calgary for a regular season game. You will travel with the team, stay at the team hotel, go to the game and have dinner with team owner, Bruce Urban. You will be invited to the after party as well.
  • You will get a meet and greet with UFC champion Georges St.Pierre on January 11th in Edmonton.

    You can bid today between 2-6 p.m. by calling 780.444.1260 or 1.800.243.1945. All the proceeds will go towards Santas Anonymous.
     

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#1 reaperfunkss (2nd tier fan)
December 09 2013, 02:03PM
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The title Simple yet Difficult is the perfect title for MacT... He is simple and makes the fans lives difficult.

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#2 Toro
December 09 2013, 04:50PM
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I've been saying for awhile we need to get Shea Weber , and I honestly think Yakupov and next years 1st can get it done , possibly throw in another prospect but I think this is the type of trade we have to make, Weber is a game changer single hand and could win games for us by himself, I honestly think his addition would make us a contender with a couple extra moves.

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#3 Quicksilver ballet
December 09 2013, 02:33PM
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Yakupov for Gudbranson. Maybe him and Barkov would work well together. The Oilers sure don't have a clue how to use him.

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#4 Will
December 09 2013, 02:30PM
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I'd really like to see what it would take to get Giroux out of Philly. Holmgren is known for brash moves like that, and it seems almost every player is available at the right price.

With Philly having such a terrible season, I wonder if Eberle and a 1st round is enough to get him. Then Gagner could move over to whichever wing he was needed, and both Yak and a cheaper Hemmer could play on the right side in the top nine.

That would finally give us the one two punch down the centre we've been missing. With Gordon, Arcebello, and Lander as some nice 2 way depth options.

It still doesn't land us our much needed defence. But Giroux, Nuge as our one and two would be incredible. With that duo down the middle, maybe a free agent would be willing to head our way.

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#5 Fresh Mess
December 09 2013, 05:20PM
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The same delusional fans who for years have defended Hemsky and Gagner are now defending their new lover Fail.

Yakupov is inferior to Eberle yet has just as much trade value. Trade him and let his "big personality" be another teams' headache. Otherwise send him to the AHL and teach him to play pro hockey. I was in favour of the Oilers trading that first overall rather than drafting Weird Al Yakupov. The Oilers won't win a Stanley Cup with Fail.

I agree that Hemsky has no value now until closer to the deadline due to his ridiculous contract. I also agree Gagner should go but likely has very little value right now.

If all three of those players go on to great things with other teams, good for them but it isn't going to happen in Edmonton.

Excellent entry Gregor. Good to see.

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#6 BAWS
December 09 2013, 06:10PM
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Gagner plus Yak plus 2014 #1 = Shea Weber.

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#8 Quicksilver ballet
December 09 2013, 02:01PM
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Wandering in the desert.....still.

What goes around, comes around for Marchand and Orpik. Nice to see some player policing still in place. This is exactly the type of policing the Oilers need right now. Puck the code/rules, don't just sit and watch another one of your brothers go down, do something, take a suspension and earn a reputation, show you're a team/family for Christmas sake. If you think what happened last weekend was wrong, watch ping pong you bunch of sissies.

With Weber on the move soon, I'd back up the truck and see if there's anything Poile wants. If he's not available, hunker down for another difficult few years. Maybe the Oilers will grow one of their own in the next 5 yrs. Weber or bust. Yak, Gags, Hemsky, even throw in next summers first if you have to. That would surely beat sucking for another 3 years. Just like the Oilers will never go anywhere without a couple top pairing blueliners, The Preds will never go anywhere with that top 9 group of forwards.

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#11 Blucifer Copperballs
December 09 2013, 04:14PM
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Jason Gregor wrote:

Who says Yakupov is considered to have a higher ceiling? Because he was drafted 1st overall? IMO That has no bearing now that both are in the NHL.

As for saying Eberle was protected and plays with great players, you do realize that Eberle, regardless of who he plays with, has produced chances and points.

I'm not opposed to trading Eberle, if the package is that good, but when I compare the two players Eberle is better in every facet, and I don't see Yakupov's hockey sense improving as much as it needs to be to be a better overall player than Eberle.

Time will tell.

Right on, JG. Yakupov is a PP specialist, and right now only has a huge shot (one of the best, no doubt). But other than that, at this point in his career, brings nothing else to the team.

Trading Ebs over Yak is a crazy notion.

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#12 #ThereGoesTheOilers
December 09 2013, 02:06PM
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I wonder if our 2014 first round and Eberle would net us the type of player our blueline so desprately needs.

Yes, it might be a bit of an overpay, but at this point with so much burgeoning talent up front and only a silver-lining on the horizon in Nurse, we can afford it.

I suggest Eberle simply because he's had longer to prove his trade value (unlike Yakupov), and I think you'd be hard pressed to say he has more upside than Hall or Nuge.

If you can get the kind of d-man we need back for less, then all the better.

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#13 Danger Pay
December 09 2013, 02:27PM
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Management needs to address the faithful, Yet again, but this time with more specific's in mind. Like being a contender when the new arena opens or making the playoffs' before the last season at Rexall. Something, anything, let us know what the franchise's new re-build, or re-build 2.0 or rest button (whatever you wanna call it) plans are.

Being left in the dark, with no clue when to expect winning, is driving everyone but me crazy.

I knew before this season started that this Oiler team was still 2-3 years away, so I'm doing my best to enjoy the development of the team. What IS driving me crazy, is the faithful's negativity and lack of patience (especially after loses). This will only lead to more, letting NHL players go for more magic beans.

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#14 OilClog
December 09 2013, 05:01PM
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Why does Hemsky have to leave town? Sign the damn man, give him some damn respect for once. He's been an Oiler his entire career, loves it in Edmonton colours, is an actual Hockey Player, and deserves to be here when this team gets it turned around. He will never get us the value that he brings to the Oilers in a trade, he's a heck of a lot better of a player then Sam Gagner.

For once, can we not have a Career long Oiler. Or is that asking for too much? We don't lose games because of Hemsky, for years the only reason we were typically in games was due to his brilliance on the ice. Let's show a little loyalty ourselves for once and keep the man a damn Oiler, screw looking for magic beans.

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#15 RexHolez
December 09 2013, 02:24PM
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Why is it always yakupov as the kid to trade? He's the only one with a physical edge and that elusive 1 shot scorer, not to mention his current value is the lowest it will ever be in his career! I'd trade ebs first everyday of the week, I'd argue ebs value will never be higher

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#16 Spoils
December 09 2013, 02:24PM
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Nash, NYR, NJD, Flor, PHI, Buf have the worst G/G stats.

Nashville has Weber and Jones. Maybe they would part with Josi?

What about Del Zotto or McDonaugh in NYR?

These teams need offence. Maybe we could package something up like our 1st rd pick, Hemsky, some cap space for D.

Could you get Brodin for Yak?

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#17 Young Oil
December 09 2013, 02:31PM
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I'm not saying we should do this, but what could Gagner and Justin Schultz get us in a trade? If it could get us a top 2 Dman and a tough to play against 3rd liner that might be worth looking into IMO. Two of our biggest defensive liabilities moved for two defensively responsible players could help a lot.

I know Schultz is still learning the NHL game, and I love him as an offensive threat, but if we could get Tyutin and Jenner for him and Gags I'd do it in a second.

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#18 Freewheeling Freddie
December 09 2013, 02:58PM
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First things first get Hiller from the ducks

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#19 Xavier
December 09 2013, 03:20PM
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Gregor is so horny to move Yakupov it's incomprehensible. Why not make it to a western conference team so he can come light the Oilers up for the next 15 years while we're at it? The 3 first overall picks should be off the market, anyone else is fair game, including Eberle.

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#20 Ducey
December 09 2013, 04:16PM
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Awesome! Trade Yak for a tough vet D man so the Oilers can move up from 25th to 22nd by years end.

That way the Oilers quest for a Cup can be extended by another decade.

...or they could realize it will take the kids a few years to grow up. Yak and Schultz jr don't even have 80 games in the NHL f.f.s.

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#21 Gunnar
December 09 2013, 04:19PM
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Hey gregor,

totally agree with gagner going. An nhl team that completes can only afford one undersized offensive centre in its top six. Nuge is the better player and has a higher ceiling, gagner's got to go. Believe that a decent d-man could be returned for sam.

Hemsky is a ufa who has suffered enough losing to last two nhl careers, its time for change. The return is not going to alter the oilers fortunes though. Maybe a third line vet who's won before and plays with sand.

As for Yak, I disagree, at least for his ELC the oilers should keep him. Trading him now they will be lucky to gent 20 cents on the dollar for Yak. Play him top minutes build up his value as high as you can before giving him away next year.

The player the oilers need to move and now is Eberle. He is not and will never be a 6 million dollar player (oiler fans are known for their understanding and patience for players that are not worth their contract... cough...Horcoft...cough sorry just clearing my throat). If teams around the nhl think he is worth the contract then trade him to them.

I have to be upfront here, I've never been a believer of Eberle I feel he is both undersized and slow. You can be one of those and still be an impact player not both. Everyone thinks he is great player, just ask every oiler fan, so there would theoretically be a good return for him that can change the direction of this team. This is the only guy that could get the oilers that top pairing d-man they need so badly.

This would be the kind of bold moves that MacT was talking about

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#22 nick
December 09 2013, 06:32PM
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2004Z06 wrote:

On another note....Anyone else think the trading of Smid was fishy? We didn't need the cap space to sign Bryzgalov as very few of the Oilers will hit their bonuses this year. He was one of only 2 of our so called "physical defensemen". Did Smid piss someone off? I kept waiting for the other shoe to drop as in a follow up deal but......crickets. Just seems odd to me.

Ask MacIdiot why he traded Smid. If he was honest, which he isn't. he would say because I don't like him. It was strictly personal with MacT and that is so sad. He gave away one of the true Oilers because he didn't like him. MacTavish is without a doubt the worst GM in the league. There is a very strong rumor within the NHL that there is a group of 12 to 15 GM's that will not deal with MacTavish and Lowe. Kind of makes sense seeing that trades cannot be made. As for the trading of Smid, shame on you MacTavish, making the team you are responsible for worse because of a personal issue.

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#23 srbuhr
December 09 2013, 02:08PM
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I think we have to get over any player should be off limits. To get great talent we have to offer something. Really I can't see Sam and Nail really getting us much without the 2014 pick included. Hall may actually get a dman and maybe he will learn how to play a complete game and haunt us for years. Regardless spare parts will get us more spare parts and the team has more then enough of those.

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#24 RJ
December 09 2013, 04:25PM
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I wish the Oilers would stop sucking at some point. Im sick of cheering for nice scores, becuase their meaningless.

PS: Nuge and Larsen need new helmets, I don't like how small their heads look. It makes their preteen heads look like preteen heads

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#25 nina russo
December 09 2013, 06:15PM
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I for one am glad you are a pundit and not employed by the OIL. The franchise you seek exists elsewhere in this league -- Philadelphia.

I for one do not wish that type of club.

This team needs to use and develop the assets it has not sell them for a bunch of magic beans and hope the return is able to play here more than the year after they are traded here.

Develop what we have and stock what we don't. and watch this team grow. This squad should be better than Colorado this year, all things being equal. And two years from now should be better than Vancouver, Anaheim and San Jose; three years from now, better than LA, and competing with Chicago and Pittsburgh.

That's reality -- when forwards reach 25-27 they hit their prime, when defenders hit 29-31 they hit their prime and goaltenders when they are 31-33 (some earlier).

Why you want to sell these players for over agers is beyond me, though they may get you into the play-offs as a no.7/8 seed, they won't win you squat.

You need true depth, and that requires sustained growth over time, not a quick fix.

This team needs a coach that can "develop" players not "manage" them. What is lacking here is what hasn't been taught. If Colorado can do it with their squad, ANY team can do it.

The key is to do it consistently every year so that when these players hit their prime they are maximizing their potential ... otherwise you might as well just be Philly and try to buy your way to the final every year --- sell the gold to someone else and let them reap the rewards.

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#26 Death Metal Nightmare
December 10 2013, 03:24AM
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fake. keep Yakupov, trade Eber-lazy. otherwise, the list is spot on.

Yakupov actually f-ing hits people. HARD. "yeah, who cares about sand paper when you got toe drags?"

Eberle is just the next Gagner. way better talent obviously but similar deficiencies. each is riding junior/national hype way too long.

who in the organization is "THAT GUY" for Yakupov? a hard shot, speed, agility? Eberle? meh. plus you'd get a way better return on Eberle's hype. if "teaching Yakupov" is some road block to him being a sick RW'er in this league the organization is BRUTAL for drafting him.

"Yakupov is russian, weird and doesnt fit immediately into a canadian archetypal Good Boy player so he isnt a cornerstone (meanwhile Crappy Gagner sits in organization for 7 years getting paid way too much money after the media said he would be great when he "gets older".)

suck eggs

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#27 cccsberg
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Zarny wrote:

Good article. NHL caliber players. Speaks to the crux of the problem.

Simply put it's time to actually start building. A few high draft picks a contender does not make.

I would classify the Oilers problems into two categories: simple and difficult.

The difficult are the bold moves. A top pairing D, 50-60 pt power F and an elite G.

These are difficult trades and not likely available until the deadline or draft.

They will likely involve moving one of the kids which is fine. The top 6 F are too much of the same and the reality is you have to give up something to get something.

The simple is what Gregor eludes to...basic NHL caliber depth.

Conventional wisdom is you pair young players prone to making mistakes with veterans. We've seen the value of guys like Perron and Gordon and how much the Oilers miss Horcoff.

Instead the Oilers throw all of their young players out together. Young players prone to making mistakes are supported by other young players prone to making mistakes, a below average D with very little experience and a 27 y/o G "prospect" that may or may not be good enough to make the playoffs.

Good insights, got to start facing reality and make some drastic changes. Need more leadership, tough two-way players. Know Edmonton fans loathe Calgary and think the Flames got nothing to offer but here's an idea: Giordano, Stajan, Cammalleri & a couple prospects for Yakupov, Nurse and 2014 1st rounder. Giordano very solid 1D with great leadership and Pt/game offence this year... Stajan tough 2-way centre (2C)? playing some of the best hockey of his career, good leadership/mentorship and Cammalleri excellent finisher/leader, who would replace Yak's shot (and then some). Yak RW where Calgary thin, Nurse fils Calgary's D needs in a year or two. Can fiddle with other prospects but that would be the primary elements, giving Calgary more youth and Edmonton more leadership for the here and now...

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#28 pkam
December 09 2013, 02:30PM
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It is simple to see what the Oilers needs from Jason Gregor, but it will be difficult to achieve; Have a new baby every time the Oilers play.

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#29 bazmagoo
December 09 2013, 05:08PM
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@OilClog

Agreed Oilclog, I think if we end up trading Yakupov or Eberle we should keep Hemsky. But we need more grit so one of them needs to go imo.

If we could get Hemsky for 2-3 seasons at $3 - $3.5 million I think that would be reasonable for a 2nd line winger. I've actually been impressed with Hemmer's hustle on the back check this season.

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#30 NJ
December 09 2013, 06:29PM
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Yakupov vs Eberle being moved.. this is easy.

Eberle: You know exactly what you have and what you're giving. Right now, I would suggest his value is more than anyone on the team except for Hall and RNH. He is the definition of what we have enough of on this team. He's also buddy buddy with Hall and shipping him out of town might send the (proper) message that if you play like butter AND don't play defense, hit the road. Also, the kid-line REALLY needs a good kick in the nuts to get em going.

Yakupov: Is a mystery. He hasn't played 82 games yet. But we know he tries hard. He will hit, and he'll push back. Put 15 lbs of muscle on him and bring him along with some level of forgiveness and who knows what he could be? Probably not Stamkos, but maybe a Neal? Write it down. Yak WILL surpass Eberle in every way. First seasons are almost always a write-off, and sometimes 2nd seasons. It'll be interesting to see how Yakupov plays in the last half of the season.

This year is shot... why rush out to get rid of anyone or anything. The right deal will come and we have probably 12 months to make it.

Next. Weber is not going anywhere. Eberle, J. Shultz and our first might not get Weber and if it did, it would be too much. Eberle for Jones (Seth). Maybe you do that deal. You DEFINITELY do a J. Shultz for Seth Jones deal though... and maybe Nashville goes for it based on their lack of offense AND on the fact that Shultz might learn to play defense playing with Weber.

Gagner could be a #2 centre IF he played defense better. Maybe he just needs to give his head a shake... but he also needs a BIG winger if he is our #2. If MacT can find that somewhere, great. If not, you might as well ship Gagner before his NTC kicks in.

Finally: Hemsky's value is maybe a 3rd round draft pick or prospect. If the summer didn't teach you that, you'll never learn. Nobody wants his cap hit unless they run into serious injury trouble and are pushing for a playoff spot come deadline.

Sorry for the wall of text.

/rant

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#31 BIGDAWG
December 09 2013, 02:46PM
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Trade this player and a pick for that player.. I never see any names coming back in these Mock trades... Ebrele and a pick for who? who is out there that we can get??

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#32 Freewheeling Freddie
December 09 2013, 03:04PM
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Trade Yak, not. He isn't afraid to mix it up and has only played under 100 games. He gets traded it will haunt us for years.

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#33 Soccer Steve
December 09 2013, 03:43PM
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Wayne Gretzky was traded. Therefore ANYONE can be traded. This should never be forgotten.

I went to the game on Saturday - Hockey Night in Canada against Calgary - and it was a terrible, lifeless game for 59 min and 50 seconds.

When I got home I watched the Bruins and Penguins highlights and realized I'd been brainwashed into cheering for this version of the Oilers.

Trade them all.

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#34 Walter Sobchak
December 09 2013, 04:16PM
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Yakupov, almost right after the Colorado game started to run stairs!! Run Stairs!!!

Any given day off the kid is trying to get better.

I tell you this, trading someone who wants to be better and is trying that hard is the definition of stupidity and is exactly what the Oilers management would do!

It still kind of baffles the mind why Smid was traded for nothing, doesn’t it?

The return you could have got at the trade deadline would have been far better then what Calgary gave in return…..pure head scratcher!

Schultz would be the first kid I traded followed closely by Gagner, Now Gagner has been in the organization for 8 years and is still making the same mistakes…..Moving him to the wing won’t change that.

The Oilers don’t have a lot of RW, as Gregor mentions; Hemsky will be gone this year.

The Oilers need to give up picks prospects for players.

Buffalo, Florida, New Jersey, Columbus & Philly are the teams the Oilers should be targeting for defensemen and support players; these are the teams that want picks and prospects now.

I think MacTavish values players differently than the normal fans base, this is what scares me as a fan.

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#35 The poster formerly known as Koolaid drinker #33
December 09 2013, 06:36PM
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This is clearly Horcoff's fault. We could use that bastard right now. He was a good captain and the kids actually looked up to him. You suck Horcoff!

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#37 Bucknuck
December 09 2013, 03:14PM
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#ThereGoesTheOilers wrote:

I wonder if our 2014 first round and Eberle would net us the type of player our blueline so desprately needs.

Yes, it might be a bit of an overpay, but at this point with so much burgeoning talent up front and only a silver-lining on the horizon in Nurse, we can afford it.

I suggest Eberle simply because he's had longer to prove his trade value (unlike Yakupov), and I think you'd be hard pressed to say he has more upside than Hall or Nuge.

If you can get the kind of d-man we need back for less, then all the better.

considering where the Oil are in the standings, I believe that first round pick should have some significant value. Adding a first line winger shouldn't be necessary. Yakupov, Gagner or Hemsky should add enough value to make a deal work.

I'd hate to lose Ebs, Hall or Nuge. At this point I don't think Perron should be touched either. Some players are part of the solution going forward.

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#38 They're $hittie
December 09 2013, 03:49PM
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Jason Gregor wrote:

Please explain why you would move Eberle ahead of Yakupov, other than he has more value.

What does Yakupov do better than Eberle, that would help the Oilers win in the future. I don't see one area of Yakupov's game that is better.

While there is nothing there right now to say he is better, lets not forget that Eberle did not start until his draft +2 year and than had 43 points. Yak isnt at draft plus two and has played in two different pro leagues in which different styles are played. Next year will be the yard stick, and it will also be interesting to see if Yak gets to play with a hall (yes he was a rookie also) and a defensive forward (horcoff) to shelter them.

Eberle has been protected and played with great players his whole NHL career, no other oiler has had the luxury.

Yak will also be on a bridge contract soon, where as Eberle is overpaid at 6M.

Yak is considered to have a higher ceiling (yes it is only potential).

There are reasons to trade one or the other. And seeing how it is unlikely to get all the problems fixed soon, you may have to trade the player that helps you more now, to get better right now also.

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#39 jamang
December 09 2013, 05:19PM
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taylor hall talking on nhl network about how they don't have a guy that brings everyone back down to earth, a gy that settles things down.

he talked about how they are forced to learn as they go because they don't know what it takes to make it to the playoffs and its a real process.

he mentions ference saying he is a good addition but they don't have that one guy in the locker room. especially not on forward.

FERENCE is the captain and he doesn't do his job. I am really surprised that you can have this kind of situation in your locker room and not make a huge move for phaneuf or weber.

an overpayment is definite.

but a deal of yakupov, hemsky, ganger, petry, 1st can fetch you quite the package. especially with as many draft picks added as you want essentially.

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#40 Rama Lama
December 09 2013, 05:44PM
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We need a professional scout that understands and whose speciality is drafting defenceman..........since no one is going to give us what we want why on earth would we trade our 2014 pick.......it could be Ekblad??

The last time I checked he was exactly what we are looking for........big, talented, and mean!

I do not trust the Oilers Brass to make a proper trade and get what we really need with this pick........this is the same group that found the giant Ference........the exact opposite of what we really need!

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#42 Oiler Al
December 10 2013, 05:47AM
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nick wrote:

Ask MacIdiot why he traded Smid. If he was honest, which he isn't. he would say because I don't like him. It was strictly personal with MacT and that is so sad. He gave away one of the true Oilers because he didn't like him. MacTavish is without a doubt the worst GM in the league. There is a very strong rumor within the NHL that there is a group of 12 to 15 GM's that will not deal with MacTavish and Lowe. Kind of makes sense seeing that trades cannot be made. As for the trading of Smid, shame on you MacTavish, making the team you are responsible for worse because of a personal issue.

Hey DNick, heres why Smid got moved:

1. Not a great skater 2. Terrible passer and puck handler 3. His hits were baby bear hugs. 4. Only time he cleared guys in front of net was after the whistle blew. 5. Tambelini overpaid for a # 5 defenseman.

Great shot blocker,,, but so are pylons.

As for GM rumor mill.... I heard rumors that Crosby wants to come to Edmonton.

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#43 nick
December 10 2013, 07:42AM
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Oiler Al wrote:

Hey DNick, heres why Smid got moved:

1. Not a great skater 2. Terrible passer and puck handler 3. His hits were baby bear hugs. 4. Only time he cleared guys in front of net was after the whistle blew. 5. Tambelini overpaid for a # 5 defenseman.

Great shot blocker,,, but so are pylons.

As for GM rumor mill.... I heard rumors that Crosby wants to come to Edmonton.

Better skater than Ference, Better passer and puck handler than Ference at least he could clear a body unlike Ference. Speaking of over paying for a #5 D-man how about over paying for a #6 D-man in Ference and adding in a NTC. Now there is a bold move. Guess Ference isnt even a pylon because he can't block shots. Oh ya, he won a cup ha ha Penner won 2

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#44 Eighies anyone?
December 09 2013, 02:04PM
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Gagner needs to go ... to the pressbox, then over to the wing. If he wants to play center he needs to play defence or get out of town.

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#45 Smokey
December 09 2013, 04:06PM
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Quicksilver ballet wrote:

The money he's been paid to date is in the past. Maybe that ownership group in Nashville would look favourably to getting out from underneath the remaining 82 million due over the remainder of that deal, no? Is there an echo in here, yes, 82 million dahlahs (a lot of cash to a small market team heavily dependant on revenue sharing) Zarny.

With Jossi, and now Seth Jones, maybe that's an option to help address their abysmal top 9 forward group.

If #99 can be traded, so can #6. Organizations often change their minds/direction, and rather quickly these days I'm sure. You're opinion is no different than the pre August 8th 1988 talk there Zarny. Some trades don't need to make sense. It could be just not wanting to be house poor anymore.

Seth Jones ain't going anywhere. Webber is not going anywhere.

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#46 Taylor Gang
December 09 2013, 05:28PM
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Jason Gregor wrote:

Please explain why you would move Eberle ahead of Yakupov, other than he has more value.

What does Yakupov do better than Eberle, that would help the Oilers win in the future. I don't see one area of Yakupov's game that is better.

Just because Eberle is better doesn't mean he should be the one to keep.

First of all, you gotta give some to get some. Eberle is the most logical "give some" piece considering he is the highest paid player on the team and probably the second most valuable. Eberle doesn't show a high level of compete and the team seems to be preaching compete throughout the whole roster. Yakupov is one of the hardest working players on the team, he just needs to learn how to play NHL hockey.

Secondly, you're comparing a guy in his fourth season to a guy who hasn't even played a full season yet. In Yak's fourth season he will be skating loops around old Ebs.

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#47 Loweblows
December 09 2013, 05:34PM
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2004Z06 wrote:

On another note....Anyone else think the trading of Smid was fishy? We didn't need the cap space to sign Bryzgalov as very few of the Oilers will hit their bonuses this year. He was one of only 2 of our so called "physical defensemen". Did Smid piss someone off? I kept waiting for the other shoe to drop as in a follow up deal but......crickets. Just seems odd to me.

Actually right before he was traded he commented that things may get worse or something to that effect. Just like Souray, criticising management earns you a quick ticket out of town. Players must be made aware that Kevin Lowe has a kingdom to protect. Off with his head.

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December 09 2013, 06:37PM
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I used to be a boxer. I think Orpik got injured because when you're down (you can see how the ref protects a boxer when he goes down because of this) you can't absorb the blow. Usually when you take a punch you try to go with it, loosen up so you kill part of the momentum. When you're down you're basically taking the brunt of the punch and the only thing that absorbs it is you neck whip lashing back and forth.

It was very stupid of Thornton to hit Orpik in that position. Having said that, if Orpik is going to run around crushing guys, he better be ready to drop the gloves.

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#49 Batfink
December 09 2013, 08:30PM
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Jason Gregor wrote:

Who is all the NHL talent that you speak of on the blueline?

The Oilers have the weakest and softest blueline in the NHL. Name one team's group of 7/8 that has less proven NHL talent and experience on the backend.

Buzzzz! What is Florida? Queue Jeopardy music...

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#50 S cottV
December 09 2013, 02:55PM
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Agree with JG - Gagner, Yak and Hemsky to be used as trade bait.

Yak because he still has a #1 pick aura about him and would generate a lot of box office interest in certain markets, to use as leverage.

Would also add J Schultz and a first round draft pick to that mix. His offensive up side will still attract interest and leverage but the longer you watch this guy - like we have, the more you start to doubt that he will ever really become a reliable player.

In return, a solid 2C and a first pairing d man.

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