POST GAME: Buried Alive

Vintage Flame
February 01 2013 12:24AM

 

 

So where do we begin with this tonight?

Justin mentioned at the top of the FGD, that the Flames 1-2-1 didn't look too fancy. Well then what does a 1-3-1 record look like?

"Tonight, Calgary will welcome the Colorado Avalanche to the 'Dome. The Avs are on the second game of a back-to-back (losing 3-0 last night to Vancouver in the rainy city), and are currently sporting a depleted roster - meaning that tonight is a great opportunity for the Flames to pick up two points."

Did we mention that the Av's were going to go this one without Ryan O'Reilly, Gabriel Landeskog, Steve Downie, and... uhh.. Oh yeah! Their backup in net!

The Rundown

The first period started as we had all hoped and predicted. Calgary came out skating, looking to take advantage of an Avalanche team that was playing its third game in four nights; while the Flames spent the last four days resting and practicing. (We talkin' about practice? Already)

Keeping the game at a high tempo in order to allow your opponent to run out of gas early is a pretty good game plan as long as you don't commit any bonehead plays and cough up a bad goal. Well that's just what Calgary did, control the play and bide their time while J.S. Giguere made some timely saves to keep his team in it.

As it turned out, at 7:23, Colorado would be the first team to blink when Matt Hunwick had his pass picked off by Jiri Hudler. The new Flame would deliver a nifty pass over to Matt Stajan for the one-timer. However as we all know, Matty Franchise doesn't scor that often, but he did get the shot off fast enough that Giguere had to kick out the rebound back to Hudler, who would then put the sharp angled shot in the back of the net.

Tim Jackman had the chance to double the lead with a little over three minutes left with a fantastic tip off of a Chris Butler shot. The deflection cleanly beat Giguere, but not the post behind him. The missed opportuity would prove costly as the Av's would tie it up at the 19:13 mark after Chris Butler would throw a blind pass right on the stick of John Mitchell; who would beat Kipper with a snap shot on the far side. One both Kipper an Butler would like to have back.

Not dwelling on a late tying goal, the Flames quickly re-established the lead at 1:49 of the second period. Brodie would start the play behind his own net with a quick dish to Stajan. Matty would then hit Hudler with the stretch pass. Then in one of the nicest tic-tac-toe plays we've seen in the Dome, the puck would go from Hudler to Cervenka, back to a trailing Stajan and finally finished off by Hudler. Flames fans were feeling pretty good at that point.

Unfortunately the Av's would answer back 1:41 later, when P.A. Parenteau would lob a backhand towards Kipper that somehow found its way through his pads. A broken play behind the Flames net at 16:58, with Stajan dancing a do-se-do around Cody McLeod results in the puck finding its way to a wide open Mitchell, and then quickly behind Kipper. 3-2 for the refugees.

This time it was the Flames turn to score a late one to tie up the game. Alex Tanguay, still needing just one assist to reach 500, would instead register his 3rd goal of the season. Again, the series was set up by some nice passing, and again it was Hudler making it count when he touched the puck. So at the end of two, we were right back where we started, all tied up. The Flames had the only PP of the period, and it was the first of the game as well. It wasn't overly productive for the team with the 4th best in the league, so we'll just move on.

The third period was the one where the Flames should have really put this one to bed. The Av's should have been gassed and with the four days rest, Calgary should have had a lot left in the tank. Alas, would've, could've, should have... didn't.

It's not like they didn't try, but somebody forgot to tell Giggy that jig was up and it was time to end this thing. Shots from the point weren't finding their way, and Giguere turned away Mikael Backlund when he and the Flames would bring the play in tight as well. In the end, it was the Flames caught off guard when the Avalanche occured with less than three minutes left in the game.

At 17:20, Paul Stastny would score on the power play before Giordano even had the chance to sit down after tripping Matt Duchene. Stealing the puck behind Kipper, he would turn and wrap it around, sliding the puck under Miikka's left pad. Then, at 18:49, Stastny would score again as picks up the puck off a Wideman blocked shot, and fire it past an out of position Kiprusoff. Not Kipper's fault, but it didn't provide an excuse for his performance tonight either. The icing on the cake came at 19:12, with P.A. Parenteau potting his second of the night into the empty net. We won't fault Kipper on that one either.

Why the Flames Lost...

There are a number of reasons why Calgary lost this one. They didn't capitalize on a lot of the chances they got. Yes they scored two incredibly nice highlight reel goals, but that's not what wins hockey games.

An unlucky bounce for Jackman (Sound familiar?) and some missed chances by Backlund. If those go the other way, the Av's cave and are licking their wounds exhausted right now. But, the Flames also took Colorado for granted and the fact that they were facing a struggling team and their back up.

Perhaps the four days off after the win over the Oilers was too long and the team lost that excitement. Maybe it was another game where they did great with the secondary scoring while the top line was no where to be found. Honestly tonight, it was hard to tell who the #1 line was. Another game with no goals from Iginla or Cammalleri. Tanguay got on the board, but it was while on the ice with Hudler.

Then there was Kipper. Needless to say it was not his best effort out there. While I'm not going to blame him for the empty netter, of the other five, he was easily at fault for at least three of them. Kipper has looked shaky to start this season and many of us are getting less vocal about his ability to pull it together sooner rather than later.

Although the buck may stop with Kiprusoff, the blame doesn't;  Chris Butler and Cory Sarich can stand right beside him. Hell, they might as well, cause they were doing a good job of standing around during the game. Honourable mention goes to Dennis Wideman too. While he was generating a lot of chances in the offensive zone, he also generated a few in his own.

Red Warrior

Not much of a stretch to realize that Jiri Hudler was the best on the ice tonight for the home team. He got the ball rolling and then got the team back in the game when they needed it. Jiri is showing a lot of leadership on this line, pulling it together and making it seem like the trio has been playing together for over 20 games, rather than 2. What makes it more impressive is that one guy is a guy who can't speak english (although that's not an issue for Jiri) and has never played in the NHL... and the other guy is Matt Stajan!

He might have this honour for awhile.

Sum It Up

Time is ticking on the Flames and the sand is going to start running quicker and quicker in the hour glass. This was supposed to be an easy two points, but then again nothing is ever easy for this team.

It doesn't get any easier as the Flames get ready for a hellacious month of February, where they face the Canucks, Blues, Kings, Wings... the Stars twice and the Wild three times. Oh to kick it all off, they get the Blackhawks this Saturday.

Hope for the best people.. and maybe say a prayer or two. Unless your prayers include names like Jones or McKinnon, then you just shut up!

See ya Saturday, 8:00 p.m. MST on HNiC.

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Vintage Flame is a Calgary based sports junkie that prefers to call hockey a "religion" rather than an addiction. He believes there are two types of hockey fans. Those who cheer for the Flames, and those who don't understand the sport yet. Follow Vintage_Flame on Twitter
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#1 Oilertown
February 01 2013, 12:41AM
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You guys will finish 9 or 10 in west no chance of Either those players should still get a good player tho. Hopefully your guys "smart" Gm doesn't pick a player that won't be ready till 2020 if ever lolololol.

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#2 loudogYYC
February 01 2013, 01:13AM
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Oilers fan chirping about draft picks and management hey? You wait a few years and see how you feel about what your management did with your embarrassment of riches of draft picks. Good luck, honky. (I can say that, right?)

I went to the game tonight, Hudler and Cervenka play a brand of hockey I've never seen from the home team in the years I've been going to the dome. It's great, I love it, and it makes for an excellent compliment to the fast, tough brand of hockey it takes to win anything in this NHL.

The first line is out of sorts, Glencross just doesn't belong there and he should swap places with Cammalleri. Not that Cammalleri will solve that lines issues, but Glencross is better suited for that 2nd or 3rd line, whatever you wanna call it, with Backlund and Stempniak.

Glad to see Hudler driving that line and nice to see him make Stajan look good. I didn't think that was even possible.

Also, Comeau should stay put in the press box and Sarich should be scratched. Butler didn't look good but he needs some time.

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#3 negrilcowboy
February 01 2013, 05:09PM
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santa claus, the easter bunny, happily married and a feaster led rebuild of the flames. which is the biggest myth? feaster's rebuild is phonier than porn star breasts.

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#4 bj
February 01 2013, 05:53PM
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Loving it, Hartley's style is fun to watch and we are losing. Best case scenario for a flames fan.

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#5 Oilertown
February 01 2013, 12:44AM
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As well you guys don't have true enough fans to tank. Fans will be jumping ship so fast it would be like the titanic all over.

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#6 Justin Azevedo
February 01 2013, 12:50AM
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@Oilertown

thanks for dropping by!

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#7 aloudoun
February 01 2013, 01:02AM
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I dont know what happened on these days off but they forgot that periods 1 and 2 are 20 minutes, not 19, and the third period isnt 16 minutes long. Iginla did not pull his weight tonight and Kipper looked human. I'm not going to say (yet) that Kipper and Iggy need to be traded but if this trend continues 5-10 more games then that needs to be a BIG conversation. Having said all that Tanguay is having a great season so far and Cervenka, Stajan, Hudler line looked really good.

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#8 aloudoun
February 01 2013, 01:04AM
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Oh and I like what im seeing out of Backlund. A ton of confidence and he's getting his chances.

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#9 Scary Gary
February 01 2013, 01:09AM
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Oilertown wrote:

As well you guys don't have true enough fans to tank. Fans will be jumping ship so fast it would be like the titanic all over.

Oilers lose and we get trolled, awesome. I like the uptempo hockey Hartley is delivering, makes for an exciting game.

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#10 Justin Azevedo
February 01 2013, 01:17AM
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@loudogYYC

as long as you're saying it to an oilers fan it's fine by me

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#12 Frank Miron
February 01 2013, 04:51AM
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Kipper is terrible this season and needs to leave his spot to Karri Ramo, the best goalie in the KHL.... what do they have to loose ? At this pace they will surely not make the payoffs anyway so trade Kipper for a good kid or a pick and give the chance to Ramo to show what he can do... At the very least they will draft Jones so tha'ts not so bad !!!

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#13 the-wolf
February 01 2013, 06:55AM
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:...Av's were going to go this one without Ryan O'Reilly, Gabriel Landeskog, Steve Downie..."

This summed it up for me.

I knew we were in trouble when an Avs player was interviewed and said something like "this a must win, we've got to find a way to win this one somehow."

Seriously, missed chances happen every game from both sides. Kipper has been horrible, but still, the Avs are without their entire #1 line.

For those that don't want to blow up the whole things, would you be happy with a top 6 next year of Glencross, Hudler, Cervenka, Baertschi, Backlund and Tanguay? And whatever we get back for Cammi and Iginla?

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#14 ChinookArch
February 01 2013, 07:23AM
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This game was a reflection of what I was worried about before the season started. The Flames core player looked to be past their prime, I'm afraid to look at Kipprusoff's SV%, and Iginla looked ordinary. Sarich played the way Cory Sarich plays - slow, caught out of position, and ineffective. Cammilleri has been out of sync from game #1, and may benefit from riding the pine for a game or 2. Butler is not capable of playing with Sarich and this tandem was bad all night. Thanks for outing Wideman VF, he has been great offensively and periodically weak defensively all season, last night especially.

On the bright side, the Flames can score! They seem to be able to push the game tempo up, and are genating more scoring chances and shots than they have since 2008/09. The team has added a lot more offensive creatively and firepower to the arsenal. Hudler is better than I thought and I'm impressed with Cervenka. Brodie continues to play with confidence and praise, and I believe Bouwmeester is being deployed properly and will continue being and offensive threat (maybe the critics will finally be silenced). The forgotten man continues to be Jones, I really like this player.

The game was oddly frustrating and yet entertaining at the same time. If my dream comes true, the Flames will continue to improve offensively this year, while Kipprusoff struggles. This should then result in the team being in 25 - 30th overall by the trade deadline, and Feaster's hand will finally be forced to sell off Iginla and start collecting draft picks.

Lastly, if Cammilleri doesn't improve it will be an easy decision for the team management to buy out his contract over the summer.

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#15 negrilcowboy
February 01 2013, 07:44AM
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i am trying to be an optimist, however being a realist is overwhelmingly easier. kipper is stinking out the joint, with not adequate backer. iggy and cammy are skating in quicksand, the defense after the big three is abyssmal.

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#16 negrilcowboy
February 01 2013, 07:57AM
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hey lets call up our young budding superstars, janko will make a huge difference. great point wolf the avs beat the flames without three young core guys. feaster needs a dose of intellectual honesty. jarome sundin and cammy should be shopped.

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#17 @Gingras34
February 01 2013, 07:59AM
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Oilertown wrote:

As well you guys don't have true enough fans to tank. Fans will be jumping ship so fast it would be like the titanic all over.

Has nothing to do with being "true". What fan wants to watch their team tank for 5 years? And that doesn't guarantee a Stanley Cup either. I've seen plenty of Oil fans complain over the years already about the team.

When it comes to the Flames, they really dont shock me anymore.

- Sarich and Butler were awful tonight. - Iginla was invisible again, while GlenX wasn't due to his high level of suck. (drop passes) -Kipper needs to mix in a save. Should of had 3 of the 5 goals he allowed, and its been like that since game 1.

Last but not least #OfferSheetOreilly

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#18 Jeff In Lethbridge
February 01 2013, 08:10AM
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what I liked: no more chipping it in at the red line, always tossing the puck away like it's wrong to play hockey WITH the puck - the passing and tic-tc-toe looks so un-flames. We truly have some depth on offense that makes it hard for other teams to focus their best shut down efforts effectively.

What I didn't like: Yes Butler and Sarich were made to look like, hmmm what's the word? BUT - go back and look at the replays and you see true flames hockey - i.e. forwards drifting around by the blue line (or worse, in some cases literally standing still watching) giving zero puck support, and/or not covering the open man standing alone 10 feet in front of Kipper. I Didn't see who these drifty forwards were, but experience leads me to guess Iggy first.

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#19 TheRealPoc
February 01 2013, 08:16AM
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Last year, the excuse was "he was in over his head, he needs softer minutes." Getting bent by John Mitchell isn't exactly a ringing endorsement for that theory.

I have a feeling the more games he plays, the quicker Chris Butler's house of cards will fall down. He needs to ride the pine and Calgary needs to bring in an actual NHL defenceman to play on the bottom pairing.

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#20 Kirt
February 01 2013, 08:17AM
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Two things.... First off why do we think we should have beat Colorado, or it's an easy win. I realize they are missing players, but otherwise Id suggest teams look at games with the Flames and think its easy points and they expect to win. I don't get how we still look at any team and think we 'should' win. I'd argue that statement is never true.

Second, seeing the schedule for February got me EXCITED! We have an honest chance of losing every game. I feel that is the only way for management to shake their heads and make drastic changes. In the past every time talk of trading the core comes up we would go on a hot streak and get new false hope. But I think February is our golden opportunity to finally lose enough to cause change. It's icing in the cake that we stumbled against some of these easy (er) games ( games should never be called 'easy' with our team)

I'm cheering for 0-10-0 in February and trading iggy shortly after.

#ruinForDruin

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#21 the-wolf
February 01 2013, 08:20AM
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It seems clearer and clearer to me now that the Feaster's game plan this season was indeed to be better offensviely than the other teams' 2nd, 3rd and 4th lines.

Win through offensive depth and hope that JBo at 30 minutes a game and Kipper standing on his head cover up the defensive deficiencies.

Only problem is that while we now have offensive depth, Kipper is playing terrible.

It's more entertaining, but I don't think Calgary can win with a run-and-gun style of play.

It's going to be a lot of 6-4, 5-3 losses.

People shouldn't be surprised at all by Wideman, he's completely as advertised, very good on the attack and a pp QB, but terrible in his own end.

Gio seems really quiet this season as well, much like last season. Could it be Gio peaked 2 seasons ago and will never get there again?

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#22 CLYDE
February 01 2013, 08:32AM
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No offer sheets. Hold on to our draft picks and get more of them. We will be drafting very high this year. Accumulating a couple more 1sts and perhaps a couple prospects along the lines of an Ian Cole who is NHL ready should be the course we take.

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#23 backburner
February 01 2013, 08:48AM
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@louddogYYC

I was also at the game last night, agree with everything you said.

Glencross looked out of sorts.

Cervenka and Hudler looked deadly, even Stajan (wow can't believe I just said that)

A couple of things I would add...

The refs were brutal last night, seriously.

Kipper didn't play well at all, let in a couple of softy's, cost them the game... Flames need to address this situation soon if they're going to have any hope of making the playoffs.

Bishop, Bernier, get it done.

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#24 backburner
February 01 2013, 08:52AM
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@the-wolf

Gio definitely has been quiet, but he was showing some "flashes" of brilliance last night.. One thing I have noticed is that Flames D is soft..

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#25 jeremywilhelm
February 01 2013, 09:11AM
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Bishop and Bernier are both mediocre goalies. No thank you.

It is amusing that both the Flames and the Oilers are essentially the same type of team now. Good offense, ok defense. Terrible goalies.

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#26 season not played
February 01 2013, 09:14AM
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Trying to figure out how this team would think any game is an easy two points.

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#27 the-wolf
February 01 2013, 09:15AM
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jeremywilhelm wrote:

Bishop and Bernier are both mediocre goalies. No thank you.

It is amusing that both the Flames and the Oilers are essentially the same type of team now. Good offense, ok defense. Terrible goalies.

How is Bernier mediocre?

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#28 Rubberbadger
February 01 2013, 09:16AM
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Butler was awful, Wideman was awful.... For a team with so many Dmen, we don't seem to have 6 worth putting on the ice.

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#29 jeremywilhelm
February 01 2013, 09:25AM
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Because nothing he has done in the NHL has been good.

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#30 j14
February 01 2013, 09:28AM
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@Oilertown

Hey Pal shows you have a lot going on in life if your hanging out on this site, the last four years for you guys have not been sweet , its every teams time for a rebuild at one time or another . keep up saying what make you feel cool pal. Maybe take a hint a piss off.

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#31 Kent Wilson
February 01 2013, 09:28AM
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Coloado only managed 21 shots on net, but scored 5 times (six with the goalie out). Kipper had a .762 SV% in this game and more than one goal was soft as butter.

A league average performance from the goalie last night and the Flames win.

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#32 the-wolf
February 01 2013, 09:32AM
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jeremywilhelm wrote:

Because nothing he has done in the NHL has been good.

He's had limited playing time at the NHL level, but has excelled at every other level. He's generally really well thought of.

His NHL numbers aren't great but the theory is that he's not really cut out for a back-up role and thrives on playing time.

Was just curious if you had anything more specific?

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#33 the-wolf
February 01 2013, 09:34AM
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Kent Wilson wrote:

Coloado only managed 21 shots on net, but scored 5 times (six with the goalie out). Kipper had a .762 SV% in this game and more than one goal was soft as butter.

A league average performance from the goalie last night and the Flames win.

Once again kent you're not living in the past. 2004 man, 2004!

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#34 backburner
February 01 2013, 09:35AM
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Totally disagree... But, the point is that they're available, and the Flames can't rely on Kipper anymore.

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#35 mcculb
February 01 2013, 09:37AM
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"Kipper has been particularly bad." He is past his prime. He looks like a backup at this point and equates to no playoffs for sure.

We have an expensive old core who are not producing. We do have a great set of 2nd and 3rd line forwards, but anything they produce is wiped out by bad defence, goal keeping and the fact the first line is a libility, not an asset.

We need a trio like: Mullen, Gilmour, Nieuwendyk, 23 years ago Conroy, Gelinas, Iggy, 9 years ago Cammy, Tanguay, Iggy, 4 years ago (not now)

Maybe in 4 years it will be: Baertschi, Janko/Backlund, Gaudreau

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#37 jeremywilhelm
February 01 2013, 09:40AM
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A lot of mediocre goalies are available. It doesn't mean we should trade assets for them.

I'm not saying that Bernier won't be good. But it is a bad gamble right now. Especially at what he is gonna cost.

Bishop is straight up bad and not worth anything more than what Karlsson got.

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#38 jeremywilhelm
February 01 2013, 09:42AM
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A nine years ago Cammalleri? When he was a 20 year old AHLer? I doubt we need that.

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#39 Derzie
February 01 2013, 09:45AM
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Besides the obvious top (Hudler line) and bottom (Kipper, Sarchy, Butler) there were some other bad performances contributing to this mess. Glencross and Cammy were liabilities most of the time. Also, Wideman is beyond useless in his own zone. Gio spent a lot of time falling town in a Stajan-like manner as well. Time to call the whole thing off and focus 100% on the future. Hudler, Cervenka, Baertschi, Backlund, Tanguay, Goudreau, Ramo, Jay Bo (under this new freedom), Giordano, Wotherspoon, Brodie. The rest of the current roster are rocket pieces of fuselage that we'll jettison as we go. Lift off begins when Jarome and Kipper find a new home. After that, 3 years to reach orbit.

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#40 jeremywilhelm
February 01 2013, 09:49AM
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I know I have my moments of freak out. But to be honest. We are 5 games into a compressed schedule. If you think the standings as they are right now is any kind of indication of where they will be in 43 more games, I've got a bridge to sell you.

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#41 Michael
February 01 2013, 10:05AM
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Roughly 10% of the way through the season so its not time to panic, but their are some definitve positives and negatives beginning to show up.

Good news... The team is more fun to watch, has a better skill level (NHL average to good skill, not great or elite) and would be a good team on a larger European ice surface. Backlund and some of the new additions have shown up.

Bad news... Smaller, softer teams don't tend to do that well on the small NHL ice. The team is poorly constructed. Surplus on the wing, weak down the middle, the d corp is 'softish'. Team has and continues to rely on Iggy and Kipper to much. Some of the vets have not really shown up (yet?)

Possible solutions.. They need to move a winger and acquire another center. They need to add a least one, maybe two larger bottom six forwards (not fighters) and stiffen up the d corp.

Type of free agent I would have added last year, 'Marcel Goc' type as a thrird line center. Decent size, good speed, two way forward, face off guy.

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#42 Jeff In Lethbridge
February 01 2013, 10:12AM
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Oiler trolls gloating, haha

on one hand they keep bemoaning the fact flames aren't rebuilding, like the oil genius' did, but on the other hand they are right because the oiler's rebuilt by sucking so bad for so long that they consistently took last place - and are still a last place team until they do something differently.

I guess the Flames aren't sucking enough to call it a rebuild?

Oh, by the way, did the Oiler's ship off some legitimate hall of fame-ers for big first round picks in order to rebuild? No, they just sucked, and real hockey players refused to go there or stay there.

So, since the Flames suck, why aren't the Oiler trolls giving credit for doing the rebuild the same way they did it?

That being said, I am now OK with shipping off Iginla after his hot streak to give him chance to win a cup and allow Flames a top draft pick. At the trade deadline Iggy would be all but free, and a boost to any team that is legitimately contending

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#43 @Gingras34
February 01 2013, 10:33AM
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Kent Wilson wrote:

Coloado only managed 21 shots on net, but scored 5 times (six with the goalie out). Kipper had a .762 SV% in this game and more than one goal was soft as butter.

A league average performance from the goalie last night and the Flames win.

This.

-In fact, in 1, maybe 2 games this year, this has been the case. Being a goaltender myself, I usually have a tough time blaming the goaltender. But so far this season, Kipper has been awful and really given us no big saves when we need it.

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#44 McRib
February 01 2013, 10:34AM
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Wow, Kipper let another one slip away, what a disappointing game from him. If they don't have confidence to start Irving then lets make a move and sign Brust or Taylor ASAP or get a Ben Bishop from Ottawa. The minute that I found out JS Giguère was starting against his old team, I was worried and for good reason he kept the Avs in it the first two.

Man I hate the style of play of the Avalanche game, it looks eerily similar to that of the Canucks brand. Its called flop all over the place to draw penalties in the third to secure the win and the refs bought in completely.

The Flames deserved a better fate but that can be said about three of four losses. Maybe they just aren't that good..... At least the flames are much more exciting to watch even when they don't win under Hartley compared to Sutter.

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#45 @Gingras34
February 01 2013, 10:37AM
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The team infront of him has been poor defensively yes. But only one game above .900 sv% is scary, and if this continues, we are headed straight to the bottom of the league.

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#46 T&A4Flames
February 01 2013, 10:41AM
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@the-wolf

"For those that don't want to blow up the whole things, would you be happy with a top 6 next year of Glencross, Hudler, Cervenka, Baertschi, Backlund and Tanguay? And whatever we get back for Cammi and Iginla?"

Yes, I would! Not to mention that with a little luck and savy deals, we could end up with an NHL ready draft pick helping out on the 3rd line.

Seriously, free Iggy so that he can win a championship. Heck, Kipper as well.

Trade those guys, perhaps we pick up salary dumps in the process that can form a hard minutes line. Then we can give the softies to those lines you suggest.

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#47 @Gingras34
February 01 2013, 10:45AM
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T&A4Flames wrote:

"For those that don't want to blow up the whole things, would you be happy with a top 6 next year of Glencross, Hudler, Cervenka, Baertschi, Backlund and Tanguay? And whatever we get back for Cammi and Iginla?"

Yes, I would! Not to mention that with a little luck and savy deals, we could end up with an NHL ready draft pick helping out on the 3rd line.

Seriously, free Iggy so that he can win a championship. Heck, Kipper as well.

Trade those guys, perhaps we pick up salary dumps in the process that can form a hard minutes line. Then we can give the softies to those lines you suggest.

Stop saying trade and "free" Iginla. If Iginla wanted to be "set free" he would ask. He hasn't yet, so obviously he doesn't want to leave.

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#48 T&A4Flames
February 01 2013, 10:52AM
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How is Bernier mediocre?

Butler, Irving & Byron for Bernier & Loktionov.

uuuuhhhhhhhhh...... probably not.

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#49 McRib
February 01 2013, 10:52AM
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@T&A4Flames

Personally I think the reason Iggy has not inked an extension is he is waiting to see how things pan out in the first 10-20 games. If we are still in the basement he is gonzo. If the Flames were ever to completely tank a season no better year than one with a 48 game schedule.

Kipper unfortunately is playing his way into staying with the Flames, if he doesn't turn it around quickly that's the season.

Flames have Chicago up next.... Yikes 1-4-1 is rapidly approaching.

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#50 clyde
February 01 2013, 10:58AM
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Keeping Kipper and Iggy has been what has been holding us back. We continue to try to build around them as well as give them elite minutes and situations when they are no longer at that level.

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