Post-Game: Fallen Uncles

Justin Azevedo
February 20 2013 11:26PM

For whatever reason, games between the Kings and Flames haven’t been the most interesting of contests these past few years. That didn’t change tonight, as both teams doddered their way to a 3-1 decision in favour of the Kings.

While Calgary eventually outchanced the Kings 18-14 and were only outshot by a small margin (27-33, both of which can be blamed on score effects), the reality is the effort displayed by the Flames tonight was sub-par at best.

The Rundown

Dustin Brown opened the scoring with the Kings’ 7th shot less than 7 minutes into the game. Hard to blame that one on MacDonald, as there was 4 Flames just sitting in front of the net when the goal was scored. The ice was pretty one-sided to start with, but that shouldn’t surprise anyone: the Kings seem to have issues scoring but they haven’t had issues outshooting teams since Darryl Sutter took over. A nice little dangle by TJ Brodie around the 9-minute mark resulted in a chance but Bernier turned the puck away quite easily. Another chance for the Flames developed after a Voynov giveaway right in front of the Kings’ net, leading to both Iginla and Cammalleri whacking at the puck; but to no avail.

The Flames finally broke through when Iginla completely dominated Voynov down low, getting the puck to Brodie in the slot and Brodie sniped one right past Bernier for his first of the year. Iginla picked up his 9th assist of the year on the play. The Kings would respond quickly afterwards as Trevor Lewis took advantage of a huge rebound, putting it just out of reach of MacDonald’s blocker. Shots would finish 8-11, as the Kings would only muster 4 shots in the final 13 minutes of the period. Chances ended up being 8-5 for the Flames, meaning LA’s early dominance didn’t quite continue throughout the whole period.

The first few minutes of the second were pretty uneventful until Trevor Lewis decided to bowl over MacDonald, prompting this tweet from Eric Francis:

What a moron. You want to know what’s better than two goons beating each other? A goal on the PP.

Regardless, a couple brutal penalty calls later the Kings unleashed a flurry of chances on the Calgary net, but MacDonald made a couple of stops and absolutely robbed Anze Kopitar. Props to Matt Stajan on the PK as well, clearing a couple of good chances out of the zone. The period would continue to be back and forth, without much of note happening. Shots in the period would be 7-12 and chances were 2-7 in favour of the Kings.

The Flames started the third off badly; being gifted a PP and then proceeding to spend as much time in their own zone as they did in the Kings’ zone. Neither team mustered much of anything until the 7 minute mark when Jeff Carter streaked down the sidewall and fired a puck high blocker side on MacDonald. MacDonald would make that stop, but about 2 minutes later Carter would redeem himself as his wrist shot just snuck through the five hole of JMac, giving the Kings a 3-1 lead. 

MacDonald would make another strong stop with about 8 minutes left, coming across the net to rob Jake Muzzin of an easy tap-in. Bernier would respond with a big save of his own, shutting the door on Mike Cammalleri right in front of the net. The Flames would press a little as the period wound down, but it was all for naught as the Kings would win 3-1. Shots in the period were 12-10 and chances were 8-2, both in favour of the Flames.

Why the Flames Lost...

Pretty simple: they were chasing too much of the game because Los Angeles is a better team. There were some good efforts by a few Flames players, but "good efforts" from a "few" guys isn't going to win you games at the NHL level, unless those guys are Crosby, Giroux, Stamkos and Weber.

Firestarter

I’m going to give this one to Joey MacDonald, as he made a couple of nice stops and the team hung him out to dry a pretty significant amount tonight. Iginla and Brodie receive honourable mentions.

Sum It Up

The boobirds rained down after the game, and I can’t say I’m surprised about it. Earlier in the year, the Flames were outchancing their opponents and losing, and I guess I was okay with that. However, the past couple of games haven’t followed that script. They’ve been outchanced, outshot and outscored and I’m left wondering what else the team can do to compete this year. Maybe a bit doom-and-gloom, but unless Kiprusoff comes back and the team can string some wins together with league-average (or close to it) goaltending, I can’t see how they’ll make any kind of dent in the playoff picture.

The forwards and defenders have been good enough thus far, but the goaltending hasn’t. I think it’s just a matter of hoping the goaltending situation will improve quickly at this point.

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Justin is a 23-year-old Flames fan who also happens to be pursuing a double major at the University of Calgary. He has played hockey at high levels, enjoys wearing shorts and tends to drink far too much Grasshopper. Please don't hate him.
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#1 Petemaherrocks
February 20 2013, 11:56PM
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Jay Feaster can probably start preparing for next October . What should the team look like for the 2013-2014 season?

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#2 Austin
February 21 2013, 12:03AM
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alright we got it the first time lol.

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#3 Kevin R
February 21 2013, 12:17AM
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Wow, everyone should remember there was a reason the Kings won the Cup. They're a pretty dang good team. There's a lot of bell ringing but we have to let this thing play out just a while longer. The scouts at the game are a precurser & kind of the 10 minute warning to other teams that Calgary will be in sell mode. We have 10 games between now & March 13. .500 or less will be the dinner bell ringing & the start of major transactions. We go 7 or 8 out 10 wins, then all bets are off. Problem is the next 3 games are with teams that lull us to sleep when they just show up at the same arena. Chances are we are without Kipper either. I just dont see how this team wins 70% of the next 10 games. But our best value will be coming between March 15th & the trade deadline. I want to see Feasty spark bidding wars if many here get their wish & we dismantle the end of an era. So important we get overpayments on every major piece we sell. It could be a sad month of March if you are into nostalgia & exciting for those that are ready to embrace a brave new future.

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#4 jeremywilhelm
February 21 2013, 12:18AM
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I am a huge Tanguay fan. So it pisses me off to no end that this team is built so terribly.

Tanguay is a fantastic winger and yes he is soft, but he will take a hit to make the play, but he is not an NHL center, he is most definitely lost in all three zones when he is trying to be the center. I feel bad for him and for me.

This team has 1 NHL calibre center and no goalie.

WHAT MORE NEEDS TO HAPPEN FOR THE FLAMES MANAGEMENT TO OPEN THEIR EYES?

A quote really pissed me off after the game.

Hartley said "We have alot of really good guys on this team, but they need to play harder"

This is the same type of sh!t Sutter would spew. Grasping at effing straws when there are no answers to be had. This isn't midget A hockey, where playing harder nets you better results, this is the NHL, skill, talent and role players win hockey games, not effort (although don't get me wrong, you could have all the pieces but no effort and lose as well).

I am no longer watching games expecting to win, I won't be upset if we do win, but I will be happier if we lose. Why? am I a bad fan? No. I have come to the realization that Feaster is either a moron, or a puppet, and his hands are tied. This iteration of the Flames is John Ferguson Jr. era Leafs organization bad and it is probably only going to get worse.

Things will only get better when they have gotten as worse as they can get and some idiots open their eyes.

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#5 jeremywilhelm
February 21 2013, 12:19AM
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NM

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#6 TiltedIce
February 21 2013, 12:26AM
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That was abysmal. The most appalling performance this season. Beaten in all three zones. Soft on the puck all night. Couldn't make a pass, couldn't take a pass. No urgency, no synchronicity. The team should refund every paying customer in the Saddledome; pity the only people wearing jerseys who actually showed up were in the stands.

This is where leadership needs to deliver. No one is expecting Iggy to morph into Henry V in the locker room with a St. Crispin's Day speech, but something different has to be done if the "lead by example" cheque can't be cashed because the body is no longer able to fill that account.

All for Hartley's all-gun offence, but there's a certain cluelessness evident in the defensive zone. The Tunnel of Death needs to be reopened. And for pete's sake, standing next the man you're covering doesn't matter if you can't account for his stick.

And although it wasn't evident tonight, subscribing to the Olli Jokinen School of Shooting (Let's all aim at the post!) should also stop.

What's most frustrating is that this team has some potential if there was some passion and attention to detail. Then again, what the hell do I know? Oh yeah, that's right: I was around for the Badger Bob years and the emphasis on sound fundamentals.

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#7 Vintage Flame
February 21 2013, 12:26AM
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@jeremywilhelm

Should be okay now JW

I had to do some editing, but try to go easy on the "F-Bombs".. That's why it wasn't showing up.

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#8 Mullen Mania
February 21 2013, 12:37AM
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I blame Comeau for all that is wrong with the Flames....oh, yeah...and a couple of decades of poor drafting.

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#9 jeremywilhelm
February 21 2013, 12:38AM
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Thanks.

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#10 Vintage Flame
February 21 2013, 12:39AM
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Mullen Mania wrote:

I blame Comeau for all that is wrong with the Flames....oh, yeah...and a couple of decades of poor drafting.

You had me at Comeau

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#11 Kevin R
February 21 2013, 12:44AM
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Vintage Flame wrote:

Should be okay now JW

I had to do some editing, but try to go easy on the "F-Bombs".. That's why it wasn't showing up.

OMG! Why would anyone blurt any f bombs on the internet after that game? :) If there is any hint that players are tuning out Hartley, Feaster needs to clean house. I read how Hartley is a bit of a demanding SOB of his players. Seems he's been awful nice with his quotes. Thats a real bad sign if you're a Flames player.

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#12 Vintage Flame
February 21 2013, 12:49AM
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Kevin R wrote:

OMG! Why would anyone blurt any f bombs on the internet after that game? :) If there is any hint that players are tuning out Hartley, Feaster needs to clean house. I read how Hartley is a bit of a demanding SOB of his players. Seems he's been awful nice with his quotes. Thats a real bad sign if you're a Flames player.

I don't see how the players could be tuning out Hartley after only 14 games. That just doesn't make sense to me.

If they are then it's an initiative being taken from within the core of teh team and if that's the case then King and Edwards should gut the team in the interest of preservation. Or else there is no coach that will want to come here.

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#13 Vintage Flame
February 21 2013, 12:51AM
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Maybe that's why Tanguay is having a decent start compared to others because he has played for Hartley and is on board with his style of coaching?

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#14 Kevin R
February 21 2013, 01:16AM
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Vintage Flame wrote:

Maybe that's why Tanguay is having a decent start compared to others because he has played for Hartley and is on board with his style of coaching?

I like Tanguay & his contract is fine & he believes in Hartley. He's just lost because Hartley has to use him out of position out of neccessity.

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#15 Q
February 21 2013, 01:20AM
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This isn't about tuning out the coach, it's as simple as this........we suck! We're to small, old, more of the same, uninspired, and so easy to play against! Why should anyone be surprised ? The only way this team improves moving forward is through the draft. Ownership won't move iggy and kipper and we have virtually nothing to use as bait for trades. So it's gonna be years folks ! Just like in Edmonton . They sucked since 2005 and its time for all of us to tune out so ownership gets it. It's too bad there is such a long lineup for season tickets. If there was a way to sock it to the owners financially I'd love it but for some reason mediocrity is ok in cow town and many continue to go to the games. Until they stop, ownership is content with crap for a team. Poor Feaster, he's just the"yes" man and can't be the true GM he's supposed to be! Here's to at least a decade ahead of sucking!

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#16 FireOnIce
February 21 2013, 01:34AM
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Fire Gelinas. Take the money from his contract and build stockades outside the Saddledome. Put Comeau into them. Glad I stopped watching this game at 1-0.

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#17 fretsey
February 21 2013, 01:35AM
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I agree with Francis.....Ran the goalie and NOTHING was done about it. #soft Pathetic.

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#18 VK63
February 21 2013, 01:42AM
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continuation along this particular path shall make it rather difficult for team teflon in the ivory tower to sell this shlock as entertainment.

Thats some turrible hawkey..... just turrible.

FWIW... in my half century around this game i can't think of a single time a goalie getting run has been so casually accepted by a hockey team. It was weird.

A physical response is a given. Its a team thing. Its a they crossed THAT line thing. Its a fabric of the game thing. It most certainly is not a we will show you on the PP thing. AT ALL.

That non response was rather revealing. And for my money verification that Country Club Calgary is alive and well. Checks in bank..... lifes good.

Simply pathetic.

It baffles me that they get more upset when a guy is digging at a frozen puck before the whistle goes than they do for the tender getting used as a tackling dummy.

As an aside. I wonder how the attending scouts saw the matter. ~im sure the calgary sports media will have gathered reaction on that very thing for the morning shows~

Bah!

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#19 exsanguinator
February 21 2013, 04:27AM
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Twenty seven shots for Calgary, 9 for Iginla. Why is he not scoring more again?

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#20 Robert Johnson
February 21 2013, 07:21AM
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At some point everyone needs to stop bashing everyone and, like a gold miner knee deep in water, look at what's left in the pan. Lots of Fool's Gold in the Dome - from the Owners on down.

Peter Marh should ask for a trade.

Simply stated, a cross between Scotty Bowman, Sparky Anderson, Vince Lombardi, Phil Jackson, Ken Holland, and Robert Kraft wouldn't get a lot of wins out of this cast of characters.

The next "the players are tuning out the coach" comment will be the 10,000th too many.

5-7-3 and 13 points - 3 ahead of the mighty CBJ.

Dallas and/or Detroit and/or Phoenix are on their to way 51 points - minimum.

Plus the Sutter coached Cup Champs are going to blow by all three of them

The Flames need to go 18-13-2 the rest of the way to hit 51 points......who should they take in the draft talk anyone?

Doddered: To shake or tremble, as from old age; totter. 2. To progress in a feeble, unsteady manner.....funny.

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#21 clYDE
February 21 2013, 07:27AM
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Francis is a moron for calling the Flames soft after the team watches their goalie get absolutely steamrolled and then do nothing about it? How many times has that happened this year? A real team would never let a vulnerable team mate get taken advantage of like that and not respond.

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#22 icedawg_42
February 21 2013, 07:41AM
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I completely agree with anyone p!ssed off about the Trevor Lewis v Joey MacDonald crash...I never really bought into the whole "country club" theory, but watching your goaltender get run and.....*crickets*. I can't believe i'm going to agree with Francis on this but give me a (eff bomb) break. This is the big leagues. You don't let that happen! You defend your goalie. Period. That's the code. PERIOD.

The fact that the Blues and the Kings are much better built teams notwithstanding, it just seems to me like the Flames are already distracted booking tee times in the Bahamas for May.

I watched the Kings and Oilers the other night, and all I could think of when I saw the Flames start the first period last night was "lumbering". Feaster can say he's sacrificed size and grit for skill, but i'm failing to see much skill.

P.S. Vintage: TEH!

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#23 negrilcowboy
February 21 2013, 07:51AM
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The Flames looked like the 90 pound weakling pitted against the school yard bully. Joey Macbackup gets lambasted and not one guy demonstrates any stones. Sure Iggy had a ton of shots on net, but Bernier had a hot crest last night. Numbers look overwhelming but the substance was weak. MacKinnon or Drouin are sure looking like a better direction. Last nights TSN crew commented on the value of JBO something to consider. FLYIN J needs to intellectual honest, make that a double shot please.

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#24 Scary Gary
February 21 2013, 08:13AM
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Robert Johnson wrote:

At some point everyone needs to stop bashing everyone and, like a gold miner knee deep in water, look at what's left in the pan. Lots of Fool's Gold in the Dome - from the Owners on down.

Peter Marh should ask for a trade.

Simply stated, a cross between Scotty Bowman, Sparky Anderson, Vince Lombardi, Phil Jackson, Ken Holland, and Robert Kraft wouldn't get a lot of wins out of this cast of characters.

The next "the players are tuning out the coach" comment will be the 10,000th too many.

5-7-3 and 13 points - 3 ahead of the mighty CBJ.

Dallas and/or Detroit and/or Phoenix are on their to way 51 points - minimum.

Plus the Sutter coached Cup Champs are going to blow by all three of them

The Flames need to go 18-13-2 the rest of the way to hit 51 points......who should they take in the draft talk anyone?

Doddered: To shake or tremble, as from old age; totter. 2. To progress in a feeble, unsteady manner.....funny.

Bah haha, I wouldn't trade Marh.

I'm thinking they'll bounce back vs Minnesota for HNIC and lose to Phoenix the next night. You have to think a record of 6-8-3 should be a tipping point.

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#25 Bruins
February 21 2013, 08:58AM
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You don't really need goons on your team and I cannot stand staged fights. Kipper was run three times in Vancouver and once in Detroit where he was injured. I totally agree with Eric Francis. You need players to defend smaller players and especially goalies. That is called team toughness. The flames are a soft team.

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#26 shutout
February 21 2013, 09:16AM
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"The forwards and defenders have been good enough thus far, ..."

You have to be kidding me with a statement like this. TSN talked about a stat for the Flames before the game last night. They have not won a game where they have scored less than 4 goals. How is that in any way good enough for the forwards and defenders?

This team is a joke. An absolute stinking piece of feces joke. They show up and play when they want to, leave the goaltender holding the bag most nights, and have no personal character when it counts. The best thing that this team is good for it making excuses and talking about how they know they just need to be better. They suck. All that has happened is that league average goaltending from all four netminders has shown us that we do not have the talent, depth, passion, commitment, or character to be a competitive team in this league.

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#27 negrilcowboy
February 21 2013, 09:24AM
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Ain't it great to be ahead of the BLUE JACKETS, mind you the jackets have 3 first round picks, some prospects in the pipe and a leadership core that has actually build some good teams.

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#28 shutout
February 21 2013, 09:26AM
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Petemaherrocks wrote:

Jay Feaster can probably start preparing for next October . What should the team look like for the 2013-2014 season?

The team is going to look exactly like the team looks this year. That is the sad part of it all. They will look to add another UFA in the summer like Hudler; my guess is that they target Bouchard Minnesota because the Wild will have trouble meeting his demands with his history and the money they now have tied up in Parise and Suter.

Remove Stajan and replace with Bouchard. Add in Ramo and maybe retain Kiprusoff or have MacDonald as backup. The only real changes that I see happening.

This organization is going to spout about how they are going to compete for 8th spot next year and how they know that they are a playoff team. They will say things about how difficult it is to implement a new system with no off-season and that a full off-season and full season with Hartley that the team will be much better.

In the land of "INTELLECTUAL HONESTY" the Flames ownership and management are complete morons and dunces. Long live our reign in 10-12th spot.

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#29 John Deere Green
February 21 2013, 09:38AM
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I've had enough. I'm done. I can't waste my time anymore on this team.

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#30 Kent Wilson
February 21 2013, 10:02AM
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jeremywilhelm wrote:

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99% of the time the answer is "it's stuck in moderation".

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#31 Avalain
February 21 2013, 10:09AM
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@shutout "Long live our reign in 10-12th spot."

Do you really think we're going to pull ourselves all the way up to 10th this year? I'm not entirely convinced. In a way I'm at the point where I'm cheering for Columbus and Washington (I'd feel much worse as a washington fan than a Calgary fan).

On another note, isn't the NW division just awful this year? Columbus is the only team keeping us from claiming the bottom 4 spots. That's actually really tough to do considering that SOMEONE has to gain points in the games within divisions.

Edit: I perhaps forgot to explain that I'm cheering for them because I want Calgary at the bottom, if that wasn't obvious...

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#32 McRib
February 21 2013, 10:19AM
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If the Flames even think about picking up PM Bouchard, you can count me out as someone that attends games next season. PMB is the softest player in the league with an astronomical sized head, I still remember when we asked him (a group of 13 year old kids) for his autograph at the World Juniors in Halifax and he just responded "My Agent doesn't let me sign for free". No wonder Minnesota has been mediocre the last decade, choosing to keep guys around like him. His game is best suited for the Suisse B league in my opinion. Marc-André Fleury came up to us after PMB was so ignorant and signed everything for us.

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#33 the-wolf
February 21 2013, 10:21AM
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"What a moron. You want to know what’s better than two goons beating each other? A goal on the PP."

Interesting. So, tell me, do you think Hartley is a moron then too? I'm just asking because the coach brought up the exact same point and made pretty much the exact same comments after the game.

No big fan of Francis, but when you let your goalie get run and have no response, well, that's pathetic.

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#34 the-wolf
February 21 2013, 10:24AM
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the-wolf wrote:

"What a moron. You want to know what’s better than two goons beating each other? A goal on the PP."

Interesting. So, tell me, do you think Hartley is a moron then too? I'm just asking because the coach brought up the exact same point and made pretty much the exact same comments after the game.

No big fan of Francis, but when you let your goalie get run and have no response, well, that's pathetic.

Sorry, forgot, the

@Justin Azevedo

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#35 shutout
February 21 2013, 10:30AM
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jeremywilhelm wrote:

"Hartley said "We have alot of really good guys on this team, but they need to play harder"

This is the same type of sh!t Sutter would spew. Grasping at effing straws when there are no answers to be had. This isn't midget A hockey, where playing harder nets you better results, this is the NHL, skill, talent and role players win hockey games, not effort "

I completely disagree with this. At the highest level of hockey everybody has pretty much the same skills. There are the elite star players, and then those fourth line grinders, but that middle 80% of the players are pretty much even when it comes to skill. The difference between the players is their compete level. How much effort and work do they play the game with.

Hartley is back to where Sutter, Keenan, and Playfair were. Why does this team with its veterans and star players have such a hard time understanding that they need to play just as hard if not harder than the other teams in order to be successful. The league with its parity is going to come down to will instead of skill the majority of the nights, and a consistenly hard working team lacking in skills will defeat a higher skilled team that does not show up.

That is why Hartley is talking about the same thing as Sutter. Because the core structure of this franchise is the same if not in complete name than in design as it has been the last half dozen years. Without the injuries we actually had a third line of skill that could help push the play, but without that depth we are left to the mercies of aged former star players that dont seem to be able to bring it every night.

What has happened to Hudler? Has he run out of gas? Or has the message in the dressing room been that he needs to cool down and stop over shadowing Iginla? As long as Iginla is on the team no other player is going to be allowed to succeed.

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#36 schevvy
February 21 2013, 10:39AM
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Here's a question to you all: Can the Flames rebuild WITHOUT trading Iginla? It may sound crazy, but Ottawa didn't trade Alfredsson when they rebuilt. Just a thought.

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#37 McRib
February 21 2013, 10:40AM
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After attending last nights game, gotta say what an AWFUL effort by boths teams!!! As everyone was coughing up turnovers left and right but the Flames failed to make two passes in a row the entire game. Honestly LA basically gave the Flames the game, all they had to do was show up. J. Mac kept it close until the final period or else it would have been a stinker and LA really didn't bring anything close to an A Game, but the Flames managed to play at a worse level than LA.

What has happened to the Flames team that showed up against Chicago???

Iginla may have had 9 shots but his release is so painfully slow due to him hesitating that its hard to watch. No wonder he only has 1 goal and if he trys to go five hole ONE MORE TIME, I am going to loose my mind!!!!

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#38 jeremywilhelm
February 21 2013, 10:48AM
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@shutout

Hudler? He isn't getting the bounces he was before. It's called regression.

Thinking Iginla is telling Hudler to stop scoring because he isn't is pretty silly.

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#39 Vintage Flame
February 21 2013, 10:55AM
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schevvy wrote:

Here's a question to you all: Can the Flames rebuild WITHOUT trading Iginla? It may sound crazy, but Ottawa didn't trade Alfredsson when they rebuilt. Just a thought.

Here's a question for YOU..

WHY would you want to rebuild with Iggy?

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#40 McRib
February 21 2013, 10:55AM
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schevvy wrote:

Here's a question to you all: Can the Flames rebuild WITHOUT trading Iginla? It may sound crazy, but Ottawa didn't trade Alfredsson when they rebuilt. Just a thought.

Before the season I would have agreed with this idea of rebuilding with Iginla, but after watching him this season I have changed my mind. Trade him while he is worth something to a team that can offer him some offensive support. Clearly he cannot do it on his own and his one goal speaks for itself, anyone can see his shot its nothing close to what it used to be, the Old Iggy would have had a hat trick last night, the new Iggy is trying to jam in chances five hole.

Also after a third coach the Flames still are playing the same mediocre hockey like always. It makes me wonder if its more of a leadership thing and not a coaches problem.

Honestly no team in history is worse than the Flames at not showing up in games they "should win". Our record against teams like Columbus as well as teams playing the second game in as many nights speaks for itself (1-2-1 this season).

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#41 shutout
February 21 2013, 10:55AM
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Hudler? He isn't getting the bounces he was before. It's called regression.

Thinking Iginla is telling Hudler to stop scoring because he isn't is pretty silly.

what you call "bounces" I would call effort. He has not been trying as hard the last couple of games and has not been creative enough with the puck. That is effort as opposed to pucks going off of posts or legs or referees getting in the way generating bad bounces.

I would never in the world suggest that Iginla would tell anybody anything like that. Monarchs dont get off their thrones to talk to people. They have other people for that. And I think that the Flame locker room is run just like a monarchy, and believe that it has been that wasy for at least the last dozen years.

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#42 schevvy
February 21 2013, 11:00AM
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Here's a question for YOU..

WHY would you want to rebuild with Iggy?

I know that the right thing to do hockey-wise is trade him for prospect + pick.

But...it's the sentimental reasons (which GM's should have none of btw) why I would want to keep him. I'm a young guy, I never got to see the Cup win in 89. All my Flames moments have Iggy involved in them in some way. It's strange for me to picture a team without Iggy cause I've never watched a Flames team without him.

If he gets traded, I'll obviously accept it and move on , but for purely selfish reasons I would not mind him remaining a Flame.

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#43 mendicant
February 21 2013, 11:02AM
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My thoughts:

1) "but unless Kiprusoff comes back and the team can string some wins together with league-average (or close to it) goaltending"

Sorry, Kipper isn't the answer here. Even a great goalie like him is only as good as the team in front of him. And that team is terrible.

2) Everyone talks about how "great" the game against Dallas was last week when they won 7-4. Did anyone else watch that game? This team doesn't even care if you are in the slot. Oh hey! You want to pass to that guy? Sure. Here's a lane. They are leaving the goalies out to dry. There is a massive lack of effort, especially on D and let's face it there's very few bright spots on this team.

3) Stajan: Is he really playing that good this year, or is the rest of the team just playing that bad? I say that jokingly because he actually is playing pretty decent, but he's basically one of the best on the team right now and that says a lot about the situation.

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#44 McRib
February 21 2013, 11:03AM
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I am also a young guy and as much as I hate to admit it, Iggy seems to be holding the Flames back.

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February 21 2013, 11:07AM
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I hope people don't get their hopes up on a massive return though for Iggy and Kipper. For Iggy: middling prospect + a 1st. For Kipper: a 2nd and MAYBE a lower end prospect

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#46 McRib
February 21 2013, 11:12AM
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I hope people don't get their hopes up on a massive return though for Iggy and Kipper. For Iggy: middling prospect + a 1st. For Kipper: a 2nd and MAYBE a lower end prospect

A First Rounder in this years draft is as good as GOLD!!! By far the deepest draft since 2003!!! Lets rip off the band-aid and trade him to Detroit for Gustav Nyquist and a First. Because there has to be a reason why Nyquist is still playing in the AHL. Honestly Columbus is set after this years draft with three first rounders, we should try to do the same.

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#47 schevvy
February 21 2013, 11:16AM
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A First Rounder in this years draft is as good as GOLD!!! By far the deepest draft since 2003!!! Lets rip off the band-aid and trade him to Detroit for Gustav Nyquist and a First. Because there has to be a reason why Nyquist is still playing in the AHL. Honestly Columbus is set after this years draft with three first rounders, we should try to do the same.

I think if the do trade him he goes East to Pittsburgh or Boston. I doubt Detroit simply because I don't think they're a contender, and if Iggy goes anywhere he's going to a team that can win the Cup this year. You're right though, a late 1st rounder in this draft is not a bad thing.

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#48 McRib
February 21 2013, 11:28AM
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Curtis Lazar is a great example of how deep this draft is going to be. He would be a Top. 15 lock any other year, but likely will be around at the 20-30 range this year. Same can be said for Madison Bowey in Kelowna and Morgan Klimchuk in Regina and that's just the WHL, both those guys may even slip out of the first. J.T. Compher with the USNDP is another example.

I know one of thoses Eastern teams is more likely but Detroit just seems like a great fit, as he always played well against them and his Power Forward Game would suit Zetterberg/Datsyuk phenomenally. They also frequently trade away first founders and have a handful of forward prospects ready for NHL duty. Lets put it this way if he stayed in the West, Detroit would be the only place I could see him going.

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#49 the-wolf
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I can also St. Louis and LA, but I agree that the East is more likely.

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#50 icedawg_42
February 21 2013, 11:51AM
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5 things...from me:

1. I think Feaster's plan for Hudler was to bring in not only his skill level, but in hopes that Detroit's winning pedigree would rub off in the room - I think the Flames 'content to lose' attitude is starting to rub off on him

2. I think that Iggy's trade value may be significantly tarnished right now just due to his not doing anything right.

I think that Kipper's trade value may be boosted by the Flames record and performance without him - their lackluster performance makes it look like they can't survive without him. Of course on the flipside, his value could also be significantly tarnished due to the rumors of his early retirement at the end of the season. Even if it's only rumors, it would leave a potential partner wondering

3. We all scoff at the idea of tanking on purpose to win a high draft pick aka the Edmonton route..whether they mean to do it or not, we're witnessing it right now and it's not going to get better. Kipper's injury is the best thing that could have happened to this franchise. It has exposed this team for what it really is.

4. I've always been Iggy's biggest fan, but his play is seriously making me feel like the team needs a new captain. If he's so content to coast and be ok with losing, then he NEEDS to not be a leader.

5. I only have one question for Schevvy and Vintage: TEH?

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