Breaking - Flames FInally Offer Sheet O'Reilly
Kent Wilson
February 28 2013 03:56PM
According to Darren Dreger on twitter.
We've covered why this is a good idea here.
More as this develops.
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The one thing that might deter them is the qualifying offer after year 2. It will have to be at least $6.5M because that's his salary in the second year (and he'll still be RFA). They probably won't want to do that.
If so, then the Flames put together a very clever offer sheet.
Bob McKenzie @TSNBobMcKenzie OK, here's everything you need to know about the CGY offer sheet on Ryan O'Reilly:
Bob McKenzie @TSNBobMcKenzie COL has 7 days to match the offer or accept compensation of CGY's 1st round pick and CGY's 3rd round pick.
Bob McKenzie @TSNBobMcKenzie If COL matches the offer, COL cannot trade O'Reilly for one calendar year from day it matches the offer.
Bob McKenzie @TSNBobMcKenzie Structure of deal designed to deter COL. That includes getting a $2.5M signing bonus now and a really low salary ($1M) rest of season.
Bob McKenzie @TSNBobMcKenzie Kicker, tho, is $6.5M salary next season. Ignoring ROR's arb rights, COL would have to qualify him at $6.5M upon expiry of this deal.
Darren Dreger @DarrenDreger A very aggressive move by the Flames. However, other GM's suggest Colorado could have fetched more than a 1st and 3rd via trade.
The bottom line is that this guy is no elite superstar to lead the team. They needed it. The only way as the draft, but the org clearly is hell bent on grinding it out with this useless core of crap. Don't get me wrong, he is a great player. But he isn't ELITE. This year was our chance to draft an elite player.
Correct me if I'm wrong but we won't have any picks in the first 3 rounds this year? What if the wheels fall off and we end up in the lottery. It'll be awesome to not even have our own pick.
#FAIL
Wait, a first and third? Wow.
I would guess this means Feaster will be determined to get a 1st back somehow then. I would guess that means Iggy is gone.
GREAT MOVE!!! does more than his points say... but he 21 and only getting better.
I think the Avs match it but great move by Jay either way
If they match, they can't trade him for a year. Do they want hanging around like an unhappy smell for 12 months?
@Primo
He's still RFA in two years.
Kent you are a genius.
Glad Flames are trying and will be interesting to see what happens...so does ROR have to wait the full 7 days to play for Flames (I assume yes)!
What are the odds the AVs match??? Damn, this is exciting
Wow! Daddy likely! I'm thinking jay and the avs gm are in on this together. This helps both teams as calgary needs a top centre and the avs recoup a first and a 3rd. Avs save face big time with the public and both are happy. Avs will match em though!
This is a brilliant move by Feaster and co.!
We either get a young, physical 2nd line center with offense, who can play hard minutes (our own Ryan Kesler!), or we kick a cash strapped rival in the teeth with an artfully constructed contract.
Love. This. Move.
Bears repeating.
I'm not huge on the idea of giving up a 1st and 3rd, especially in a year where the Flames could have a lottery pick.
However, if there was a player to do that to, ROR is one. Young (21), a natural center, plays in tough minutes and drives play, natural center, excellent playmaker, natural center, young, natural center, young, natural center...well you get the picture.
Interesting timimg with the game tonight.
Just concidence or something else? I love a good conspiracy theory.
FIST FIGHT IN THE PRESS BOX!
This move is a great move from a rebuilding/retooling standpoint as well. If Iginla decides that he wants to try out a team that has a better chance at the cup then the Flames still have options in Iginla and Kiprusoff and maybe even Bouwmeester to acquire draft stock to make up for those potentially going out now.
O'Reilly is not a superstar player and does not deserve over $6M but the Flames are terrible at drafting, need youth that can play on the team, and have a huge hole at center.
Unless they end up picking top 5 then it is a good deal.
@MC Hockey
Well he can lay for whomever he wants... but his bedroom practices are really none of our business :)
Kidding... Feasters got some brass ones here. Hope he's in game shape cause I'd like that 1st rounder to be as low as possible (also hope Taylor Cammarata sticks around until the fourth.
Trade deadline may be March 4th next year.
I guess this will solidify our run for the cup this year . . .
Really would've been a better idea to do this a tad earlier in the season, so they could have won another game or two.
O'Reilly's signing could also be incentive for Iginla and Kipper to re-sign.
If they fail to make the playoffs and surrender a lottery pick, at least that blow will be tempered by the fact theyphase a ready-made top-line centre for at least four seasons and likely more.
Could also attract other FAs to sign with Calgary in this summer's upcoming bull market.
Timing is interesting. In 2012 the trade deadline was Feb 27/2012. So, it seems that Col is stuck with ROR for the full 2 seasons if they match, then he's a UFA again. Nice.
Why did the avs not move him yet? They've really painted themselves into a corner.
@the-wolf
because they, like the Flames, battle with periods of ineptitude
The Avs have one week to match the offer. we would give up a 1st and 3rd.
@Kent: I think the reason they only "offersheeted" for 2 years is because by then the Avs will need to sign Landeskog and Duchene. Which will make it difficult for them to sign ROR too!
I'm so pumped. Hopefully they won't match it. If they really wanted to sign him they could have gone the arbitration route. Now that option is not available to them anymore.
I love it. After the McGrattan deal today I was on a huge low...now im on a total high. Great move. I just hope it pans out
Oh man, that's dirty. I love it!
Possibly a Mar 4 2014 trade deadline and you mean RFA.
Pike and I discussed that possibility too.
@Scary Gary
fan is reporting deadline is expected to be between feb 25-27th and he meant RFA
Wow, I am truly stunned. Anytime the Flames go after a big fish they don't always land them, i.e. Feaster offered Brad Richards more money and he still went to NYR for less.
I am interested to see if Colorado will match, Pierre LaCroix is behind the scenes and immediately matched when NYR signed Joe Sakic to an offer sheet in 1999.
Is ROR the guy that can take the Flames over the top? More importantly, is Jay Feaster listening to Kent Wilson! I'm more concerned about ROR's attitude, his father's ala Eric Lindros influence. Will he be a headcase and/or a guy who doesn't want to play for the Flames down the road.
I'm giddy (not to be confused with giggy)!
Interesting timing, I had just started to try sell some of my flames tickets...maybe some of those last minute ticket packs will actually sell now.
The way Darren Dreger reported it on TSN, the Flames move was basically evil genius smart. I love it!!
The Avs can't afford to let O'Reilly go to a divisional rival. I understand that if the NHL's proposed realignment takes effect, the Avs and Flames will no longer be in the same division, but that is one hell of a gamble to take.
If the Flames finish near the bottom, and that 1st round pick turns into a lottery pick, then it's a good deal for the Avs, but again, that's one hell of a gamble.
1 option I haven't seen anyone mention is a trade. The Avs and Flames can still work out a deal that involves more than a 1st and 3rd round pick.
Either way, the team that has to qualify ROR at 6.7 million in 2 years has a cap burden on there hands.
OMG. If this pans out, and Backlund comes back soon, I think this team makes the playoffs.
Flames finish in the bottom 10 has to mean that Feaster gets canned. No picks until the 4th round... PLEASE let Colorado match this.
Does anyone really think the Flames will finish in the bottom 10? Really?
IF they keep their first round pick then they will end up picking 12th or 13th. If their pick goes in this deal or another deal then they will have a top five pick. For this franchise its the only possible way it can work out. Same sort of karma as Toronto had in the Kessel deal.
@KleptoKlown
You don't have to qualify an RFA to re sign him.
@jeremywilhelm
Yes I do believe they will finish bottom 10.
Your 3 game point steak will not continue all season.
What will happen with Iggy at the Deadline?
Is Joey macDonald the long term answer?
To many questions...Not enough answers.
****And I say this as an Oiler fan who I realize have enough of our own problems to worry about.
@Baalzamon
Based on ROR's entire hold out thus far, do you really think he's going to sign for even a nickle less than the minimum he can get? His next contract is going to start where this current offer sheet ends.
Glad to see some movement. Backlund and ROR make a huge difference to the line-up. If they don't match, please, can we sit/trade Stajan or Comeau?!
No...I'm really not. My post #72 commends Feaster and the Flames.
Im just sour the Oilers sat by and let a young center go by with no attempt at trying to land him.
According to Bob Mckenzie, if the NHL goes to the 2014 Olympics, the trade deadline next year would get pushed backed, which would certainly help the Avalanche
How do you know Mar 4/14 is trade deadline for next season? If so, then Avs match today or tomorrow and can still ship him out by the deadline right? Kent?
I really truly wonder if the Avs match. This guy, along with Landeskog, is their best player, but with all the obstacles the Flames threw at the Avs, it seems tough for Colorado to do so.
And why did Colorado decide to be so cheap with O'Reily? They throw a bucketload of money at Parenteau in the off-season, but when it comes to their #1 centreman, they try and play hardball? Strange... And btw, has anyone been able to find O'Reily's advanced stats? I've tried on behindthenet, but it doesnt seem to be working for him.
That's what I had heard due to the Olympics pushing back the deadline but I may be wrong. Trying to find clarification.
@Kent Wilson
Although after thinking about it I really can't see why the Avs wouldn't match unless they were hell-bent on rebuilding through the draft.
Like, why wouldn't Stan Bowman offer Seabrook and his 1st rounder in exchange for ROR and say Jan Hejda. There are tons of teams who can match the value of Cgy's 1st and 3rd and who could use a top-2 C. The Islanders could offer up Niedereiter and a 1st, Winnipeg could offer up Scheifele and a 1st, Ottawa could put together a package.
Also, I thought there was only a 20% difference allowed between different years on a contract. How cam Calgary offer 3.2 then 6.8?
Oilers would've been a solid team for targetting him. He's the type of guy they need, right in their age range. Then they'd just have to try to pick up one or two defencemen along the way.